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2013-03-15 09:11:40 AM
I've always been under the impression that Boehner really wants to get a budget compromise that is in tune with Obama's ideas, he's just been held down by Cantor and the Tea Derpers who control the message
 
2013-03-15 09:14:58 AM
And with that, Cantor becomes the Speaker of the House
 
2013-03-15 09:16:16 AM
Boehner doesn't have a drinking problem it is his own personnel bourbon stimulus program.
 
2013-03-15 09:17:46 AM
Boehner to be primaried in 3...2...1...
 
2013-03-15 09:18:06 AM
It was said that Boehner's glass was filled three times that day

www.eventprophire.com
What said glass might look like.
 
2013-03-15 09:18:08 AM
We know how rational the Teabaggers are. This will be fun.
 
2013-03-15 09:18:36 AM

somedude210: I've always been under the impression that Boehner really wants to get a budget compromise that is in tune with Obama's ideas, he's just been held down by Cantor and the Tea Derpers who control the message


Then he needs to just take control and get things done. He should draw a clear divide between mainstream Republicans and the tea party loonies... just come right out and say "we agree with you on points A and B, but we're going to compromise with the Democrats for C through Z so the country can move forward."

What's the worst that could happen - getting challenged in the Primaries next year?  Worst case scenario - he loses his congressional seat, and goes on to make $25k/day on the lecture circuit. Or gets a seven-figure contract with Fox News (or one of the Super PACs).
 
2013-03-15 09:20:47 AM
I think its a little hypocritical for us Farkers to make fun of Boehner because he is an alcoholic, but, yeah, his glass is filled 3 times before lunch.
 
2013-03-15 09:21:56 AM

somedude210: I've always been under the impression that Boehner really wants to get a budget compromise that is in tune with Obama's ideas, he's just been held down by Cantor and the Tea Derpers who control the message


Back a year plus ago or so when this fight was first going on, Boehner was ready to make a deal with Obama.  Cantor talked him out of it, gambling they'd win big in the 2012 elections and then they could do whatever they want.
 
2013-03-15 09:22:41 AM
Translation: Shutting down the government didn't work to well for Newt so lets no try that again, you morons.
 
2013-03-15 09:23:27 AM

clkeagle: Then he needs to just take control and get things done. He should draw a clear divide between mainstream Republicans and the tea party loonies... just come right out and say "we agree with you on points A and B, but we're going to compromise with the Democrats for C through Z so the country can move forward."


That's great and all but Boehner doesn't have any backbone, as shown by the fact that Cantor can force him to do anything

clkeagle: What's the worst that could happen - getting challenged in the Primaries next year? Worst case scenario - he loses his congressional seat, and goes on to make $25k/day on the lecture circuit. Or gets a seven-figure contract with Fox News (or one of the Super PACs).


If the Tea Party becomes powerful enough, he won't be welcomed anywhere. He's taking a chance here and it may work with getting a compromise with Obama on the table (or even just getting the Senate's bill to a vote) but it's gonna take a real stiff drink before he'll turn on the TeaTards
 
2013-03-15 09:24:10 AM

Karac: Translation: Shutting down the government didn't work to well for Newt so lets no try that again, you morons.


It only took Newt 20 years to rebuild his career into becoming a failed Presidential candidate.
 
2013-03-15 09:24:20 AM
Boy, when the Bush administration left, they sure took that whole "Unified party in the face of any adversity/no public disagreements" philosophy with them.
 
2013-03-15 09:24:55 AM
First supporting article I found:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/02/it-was-eric-cantor-who- k illed-debt-ceiling-deal">http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/0 2/it-was-eric-cantor-who-k illed-debt-ceiling-deal
 
2013-03-15 09:25:09 AM

PanicMan: Cantor talked him out of it, gambling they'd win big in the 2012 elections and then they could do whatever they want.


I think Cantor threatened him more. He's been gunning for Boehner's speakership for awhile now and has the backing of the tards. he has no qualms with stabbing Boehner in the back
 
2013-03-15 09:25:21 AM

clkeagle: What's the worst that could happen - getting challenged in the Primaries next year?


That, or keeping his seat and his leadership post, but losing the majority in the House. If the House GOP continues on their current trajectory, there's a chance that will happen in 2014, so he's trying to split the difference: keep the base placated enough to avoid a primary challenge, but suppress the absurdity enough to keep the majority in the House.
 
2013-03-15 09:26:19 AM

Lost Thought 00: And with that, Cantor becomes the Speaker of the House


I don't know, I read that conservatives were upset with him speaking to black people the other day.
 
2013-03-15 09:29:06 AM

SilentStrider: Boehner to be primaried in 3...2...1...


I doubt it, Cincinnati is conservative but most of them aren't retarded.  Still though, who knows, it could happen.
 
2013-03-15 09:29:23 AM

clkeagle: What's the worst that could happen - getting challenged in the Primaries next year?  Worst case scenario - he loses his congressional seat, and goes on to make $25k/day on the lecture circuit. Or gets a seven-figure contract with Fox News (or one of the Super PACs).


You don't know how power works, do you? It's not about the payday, Congressional pay sucks compared to what he could be making in the private sector. It's about the power, and doing what you said is the surest way of losing it.

That being said, I don't think I could imagine a better "Beware the Ides of March" picture than this:

talkingpointsmemo.com

Except maybe with a little help:

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-03-15 09:29:55 AM
How you like them apples, Gomer?

www.neoabolition.com
 
2013-03-15 09:31:20 AM
If Cantor wants the shutdown, there will be a shutdown.
 
2013-03-15 09:32:43 AM
He actually said shutting down the government was not their goal? Someone ought to introduce him to about half his party.
 
2013-03-15 09:33:07 AM

born_yesterday: Boy, when the Bush administration left, they sure took that whole "Unified party in the face of any adversity/no public disagreements" philosophy with them.


Yeah, but the 'if you're not with us, you're against us' philosophy got welded in real tight.
 
2013-03-15 09:37:37 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: If Cantor wants the shutdown, there will be a shutdown.


Are we sure this isn't Cantor overplaying a hand again? Boehner's machinations may be exposing Cantor as a guy who can't get things done. Boehner may be starting to realize that we're going to blame them for any shutdowns, so he'd better pull double duty to avoid it; I doubt Cantor has that realization (or doesn't think much of it).

Boehner's starting some realpolitik while Cantor wants to invade the USSR with ice cream trucks.
 
2013-03-15 09:39:37 AM

Dr Dreidel: Philip Francis Queeg: If Cantor wants the shutdown, there will be a shutdown.

Are we sure this isn't Cantor overplaying a hand again? Boehner's machinations may be exposing Cantor as a guy who can't get things done. Boehner may be starting to realize that we're going to blame them for any shutdowns, so he'd better pull double duty to avoid it; I doubt Cantor has that realization (or doesn't think much of it).

Boehner's starting some realpolitik while Cantor wants to invade the USSR with ice cream trucks.


Cantor can get things done. It's just that the only thing Cantor is interested in doing is obstruction. He has been very successful at that.
 
2013-03-15 09:39:55 AM

Dr Dreidel: Philip Francis Queeg: If Cantor wants the shutdown, there will be a shutdown.

Are we sure this isn't Cantor overplaying a hand again? Boehner's machinations may be exposing Cantor as a guy who can't get things done. Boehner may be starting to realize that we're going to blame them for any shutdowns, so he'd better pull double duty to avoid it; I doubt Cantor has that realization (or doesn't think much of it).

Boehner's starting some realpolitik while Cantor wants to invade the USSR with ice cream trucks.


Cantor needs a good smackdown.
 
2013-03-15 09:40:10 AM

Tomahawk513: SilentStrider: Boehner to be primaried in 3...2...1...

I doubt it, Cincinnati is conservative but most of them aren't retarded.  Still though, who knows, it could happen.


He's gerrymandered to the district north west of Cincinnati.  Very suburban and very conservative.  He ran unopposed in 2012.
 
2013-03-15 09:42:09 AM
i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-15 09:45:24 AM

vernonFL: I think its a little hypocritical for us Farkers to make fun of Boehner because he is an alcoholic, but, yeah, his glass is filled 3 times before lunch.


farking lightweight
 
2013-03-15 09:46:12 AM

Dog Welder: Tomahawk513: SilentStrider: Boehner to be primaried in 3...2...1...

I doubt it, Cincinnati is conservative but most of them aren't retarded.  Still though, who knows, it could happen.

He's gerrymandered to the district north west of Cincinnati.  Very suburban and very conservative.  He ran unopposed in 2012.


I'm hearing some yelling from the mountaintops by the yahoos out in the hinterlands that there's going to be a challenge to him, be it a primary or an actual Democratic challenger.  Nothing concrete, but I would assume that a primary challenger is obvious at this point.
 
2013-03-15 09:46:45 AM
It's just occurred to me ... observed from the correct angle, the US congress bears a striking resemblance to professional wrestling.

It involves a large cast of mostly interchangeable and forgettable jobbers, with a few superstars whose main job appears to be to generate hype and drama rather than actually get in the ring and do their job.  These superstars are often accompanied on all their public appearances by large entourages of said jobbers.  Factions are formed along contrived ideologies, and picking a fight with someone else simply because your respective faction loyalties are opposed is held up as the epitome of good conduct.  Designated mouthpieces of the factions engage in endless verbal circling and sparring matches, but at the end of the day nothing has been decided.  Supposedly the position of "superstar" is determined by the response of the crowd, but in reality the greater organization has nearly complete control over how events are portrayed and blatant manipulation of what is presented to the crowd is the norm, in order to ensure that the crowd maintains the "correct" opinion.

There's even the occasional surprise defection from one of the superstars to an opposing faction.  Personally, that's the hope I'm desperately clinging to right now:  Boehner has successfully built up a ton of heat from the crowd, the time is perfect for a out-of-left-field heel-face turn.
 
2013-03-15 09:48:12 AM

TommyDeuce: He actually said shutting down the government was not their goal? Someone ought to introduce him to about half his party.


What's mind-boggling is that the half of the GOP who don't want a shutdown will gladly accept a shutdown before breaking ranks and joining the Democrats to prevent one.
 
2013-03-15 10:05:11 AM

born_yesterday: Boy, when the Bush administration left, they sure took that whole "Unified party in the face of any adversity/no public disagreements" philosophy with them.


There were no teabaggers in 2000 or 2008 for some reason.
 
2013-03-15 10:09:28 AM

Dog Welder: Tomahawk513: SilentStrider: Boehner to be primaried in 3...2...1...

I doubt it, Cincinnati is conservative but most of them aren't retarded.  Still though, who knows, it could happen.

He's gerrymandered to the district north west of Cincinnati.  Very suburban and very conservative.  He ran unopposed in 2012.


Which pissed me off. Had to do a write in.
 
2013-03-15 10:10:17 AM

somedude210: PanicMan: Cantor talked him out of it, gambling they'd win big in the 2012 elections and then they could do whatever they want.

I think Cantor threatened him more. He's been gunning for Boehner's speakership for awhile now and has the backing of the tards. he has no qualms with stabbing Boehner in the back


That's certainly possible.
 
2013-03-15 10:11:57 AM

Killahertz: It's just occurred to me ... observed from the correct angle, the US congress bears a striking resemblance to professional wrestling.

It involves a large cast of mostly interchangeable and forgettable jobbers, with a few superstars whose main job appears to be to generate hype and drama rather than actually get in the ring and do their job.  These superstars are often accompanied on all their public appearances by large entourages of said jobbers.  Factions are formed along contrived ideologies, and picking a fight with someone else simply because your respective faction loyalties are opposed is held up as the epitome of good conduct.  Designated mouthpieces of the factions engage in endless verbal circling and sparring matches, but at the end of the day nothing has been decided.  Supposedly the position of "superstar" is determined by the response of the crowd, but in reality the greater organization has nearly complete control over how events are portrayed and blatant manipulation of what is presented to the crowd is the norm, in order to ensure that the crowd maintains the "correct" opinion.

There's even the occasional surprise defection from one of the superstars to an opposing faction.  Personally, that's the hope I'm desperately clinging to right now:  Boehner has successfully built up a ton of heat from the crowd, the time is perfect for a out-of-left-field heel-face turn.


Your newsletter, please.
 
2013-03-15 10:20:03 AM

SilentStrider: Boehner to be primaried in 3...2...1...


Tomahawk513: SilentStrider: Boehner to be primaried in 3...2...1...

I doubt it, Cincinnati is conservative but most of them aren't retarded.  Still though, who knows, it could happen.


Doesn't he also represent the Dayton area?  If that's the case, all the engineers at Wright Patterson that get to actually be paid for their work will probably thank him if they don't shut down the gubbmint
 
2013-03-15 10:21:48 AM

Killahertz: It's just occurred to me ... observed from the correct angle, the US congress bears a striking resemblance to professional wrestling.

It involves a large cast of mostly interchangeable and forgettable jobbers, with a few superstars whose main job appears to be to generate hype and drama rather than actually get in the ring and do their job.  These superstars are often accompanied on all their public appearances by large entourages of said jobbers.  Factions are formed along contrived ideologies, and picking a fight with someone else simply because your respective faction loyalties are opposed is held up as the epitome of good conduct.  Designated mouthpieces of the factions engage in endless verbal circling and sparring matches, but at the end of the day nothing has been decided.  Supposedly the position of "superstar" is determined by the response of the crowd, but in reality the greater organization has nearly complete control over how events are portrayed and blatant manipulation of what is presented to the crowd is the norm, in order to ensure that the crowd maintains the "correct" opinion.

There's even the occasional surprise defection from one of the superstars to an opposing faction.  Personally, that's the hope I'm desperately clinging to right now:  Boehner has successfully built up a ton of heat from the crowd, the time is perfect for a out-of-left-field heel-face turn.


But then Cantor will hit him in the back with a steel chair..WAIT....IS THAT JAMES CLYBURN'S THEME MUSIC !!??
 
2013-03-15 10:21:57 AM

Killahertz: It's just occurred to me ... observed from the correct angle, the US congress bears a striking resemblance to professional wrestling.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-15 10:22:42 AM
Obamacare is useless as a bargaining chip. Despite polls showing widespread trepidation over health care reform, the public spoke louder with its re-election of Obama.

Republicans can't honestly believe they'd get anywhere with defunding the ACA so they continually throw it out there as a chip to get Obama off his insistence on tax increases. Wasted time.

Boehner is doing the right thing as speaker in telling them to let it go. Give up, already.
 
2013-03-15 10:25:15 AM

Cletus C.: Obamacare is useless as a bargaining chip. Despite polls showing widespread trepidation over health care reform, the public spoke louder with its re-election of Obama.

Republicans can't honestly believe they'd get anywhere with defunding the ACA so they continually throw it out there as a chip to get Obama off his insistence on tax increases. Wasted time.

Boehner is doing the right thing as speaker in telling them to let it go. Give up, already.


That is a very reasonable post. Thank you.
 
2013-03-15 10:33:12 AM

qorkfiend: TommyDeuce: He actually said shutting down the government was not their goal? Someone ought to introduce him to about half his party.

What's mind-boggling is that the half of the GOP who don't want a shutdown will gladly accept a shutdown before breaking ranks and joining the Democrats to prevent one.


Actually, enough GOP are willing to break ranks and join the Democrats, since it only requires a few dozen Republicans to pass something with Democrat support, but that requires Boehner to bring the vote to the floor...

I'd expect to see that scenario play out again, just like with VAWA, the debt ceiling, and the like.
 
2013-03-15 10:39:24 AM

nmrsnr: clkeagle: What's the worst that could happen - getting challenged in the Primaries next year?  Worst case scenario - he loses his congressional seat, and goes on to make $25k/day on the lecture circuit. Or gets a seven-figure contract with Fox News (or one of the Super PACs).

You don't know how power works, do you? It's not about the payday, Congressional pay sucks compared to what he could be making in the private sector. It's about the power, and doing what you said is the surest way of losing it.

That being said, I don't think I could imagine a better "Beware the Ides of March" picture than this:

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]

Except maybe with a little help:

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 640x353]


At a certain point, you have to wonder if Boehner will just see the writing on the wall and try to lead his party back into some sane position before getting primaried *anyway*.  But yeah, he's not likely to just throw the fight unless he's clearly being thrown away like last week's newspaper.
 
2013-03-15 11:12:58 AM
Why is it that Cantor is always lurking around in photos behind Boner?

i272.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-15 11:39:40 AM
Boehner is farked no matter what he does at this point.
 
2013-03-15 11:56:55 AM

NateGrey: We know how rational the Teabaggers are. This will be fun.


They'll do what they are told.
 
2013-03-15 12:58:38 PM

Dr Dreidel: Philip Francis Queeg: If Cantor wants the shutdown, there will be a shutdown.

Are we sure this isn't Cantor overplaying a hand again? Boehner's machinations may be exposing Cantor as a guy who can't get things done. Boehner may be starting to realize that we're going to blame them for any shutdowns, so he'd better pull double duty to avoid it; I doubt Cantor has that realization (or doesn't think much of it).

Boehner's starting some realpolitik while Cantor wants to invade the USSR with ice cream trucks.


Make mine a 99?
 
2013-03-15 01:59:38 PM

Kittypie070: Make mine a 99?


Here you go:
www.netbrawl.com

// might melt the ice cream, though - yowza!
 
2013-03-15 02:40:48 PM

Dr Dreidel: Kittypie070: Make mine a 99?

Here you go:
[www.netbrawl.com image 199x254]

// might melt the ice cream, though - yowza!


Oh man... We had an intern here at the studio a few years back, who looked just like 99.

It was distracting...
 
2013-03-15 07:41:02 PM

qorkfiend: TommyDeuce: He actually said shutting down the government was not their goal? Someone ought to introduce him to about half his party.

What's mind-boggling is that the half of the GOP who don't want a shutdown will gladly accept a shutdown before breaking ranks and joining the Democrats to prevent one.


EXACTLY.

I can't repeat this loudly enough, or enough times. This is the crux of the partisan politics that has Congress in a vice right now - and the paradox that will destroy the country if no one breaks that hold.
 
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