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2013-03-15 11:20:17 AM

punkhippie: Guinness sucks ass. It's probably the worst stout in existence.


Yeah, probably not.  It's no Old Rasputin, but it's a good low-calorie, low-alcohol beer, perfect for drinking while doing yard work.
 
2013-03-15 11:20:56 AM

trappedspirit: CapeFearCadaver: Um, my ultra-vegan sister told me this quite a few years ago while we were hanging out and I was drinking a Guinness. I kept drinking my Guinness. Then ordered another.

Edgy, man.  I almost got cut reading that.


That's exactly what I was going for. Need some cornstarch to help any bleeding? Or is the blood from somewhere else? ;)
 
WGJ
2013-03-15 11:24:46 AM
I thought they weren't drinking it anyways because they use rats for flavoring.
 
2013-03-15 11:26:50 AM

oldernell: Like the whole world is going to quit drinking Guinness because the vegos are upset.  More for the rest of us.


   Well, the jobless hippies made a great deal of people feel guilty about being human with the global warming bullshiat so this wouldn't surprise me considering the lack of common sense in your average gullible politically correct citizen.
 
2013-03-15 11:32:49 AM
Every Vegan I've ever met knows this already!  Vegans routinely research items they consume, in an effort to stay connected to their choices, shouldn't we all?
 
2013-03-15 11:34:48 AM

CheekyMonkey: pute kisses like a man: CheekyMonkey: Giltric: Vegans can make excuses for yeast being a living organism?

No, but HuffPo needs clicks.  Also, 99.4% of all commercial beers use either isinglass or gelatin as a fining ingredient.  Neither of which is vegan-friendly.

Vegans should just stay away from all alcoholic beverages, though, since they're all based on fermentation, which exploits yeast.

well, isn't fish bladder oil a lot more user friendly than ground up horse hooves (or whatever goes into gelatin)?

i mean, at least the pescaterians can still drink.

/ has a wife that occasionally avoids the mammals.  so, fish and birds... but, she only avoids cooking it.  if someone else makes it, she'll eat it.  since, like the dala lamai said, it's already dead, you might as well spare the feelings of your host.

1.  It isn't oil.
2.  Why would it be more "user-friendly"?  Either a bunch of fish died to make the isinglass, or a bunch of ungulates died to make the gelatin.



The fish are probably commercially caught anyway so the meat is sold for food, and isenglass is simply a leftover that would otherwise end up in the trash.
 
2013-03-15 11:37:30 AM

CheekyMonkey: Also, while I haven't tried it personally, I've heard that you can take the root end of an onion that you sliced off when you peeled it, plant it, and it will grow into another onion.  I start all my onions and leeks from seed, but if I have extra room in that planting bed this year, perhaps I'll give it a try...


I have done this with onions and pineapple tops.
 
2013-03-15 11:41:21 AM
Having recently tried Flying Dog's Pearl Necklace Oyster Stout (brewed with real oysters), I'm getting a kick
 
2013-03-15 11:42:06 AM

CheekyMonkey: Giltric: Vegans can make excuses for yeast being a living organism?

No, but HuffPo needs clicks.  Also, 99.4% of all commercial beers use either isinglass or gelatin as a fining ingredient.  Neither of which is vegan-friendly.

Vegans should just stay away from all alcoholic beverages, though, since they're all based on fermentation, which exploits yeast.


Vegans should stay away from everything.  There is nothing, no consumer good or foodstuff, that does not exist without the exploitation of something living.
 
2013-03-15 11:45:41 AM

Mr. Breeze: CheekyMonkey: pute kisses like a man: CheekyMonkey: Giltric: Vegans can make excuses for yeast being a living organism?

No, but HuffPo needs clicks.  Also, 99.4% of all commercial beers use either isinglass or gelatin as a fining ingredient.  Neither of which is vegan-friendly.

Vegans should just stay away from all alcoholic beverages, though, since they're all based on fermentation, which exploits yeast.

well, isn't fish bladder oil a lot more user friendly than ground up horse hooves (or whatever goes into gelatin)?

i mean, at least the pescaterians can still drink.

/ has a wife that occasionally avoids the mammals.  so, fish and birds... but, she only avoids cooking it.  if someone else makes it, she'll eat it.  since, like the dala lamai said, it's already dead, you might as well spare the feelings of your host.

1.  It isn't oil.
2.  Why would it be more "user-friendly"?  Either a bunch of fish died to make the isinglass, or a bunch of ungulates died to make the gelatin.


The fish are probably commercially caught anyway so the meat is sold for food, and isenglass is simply a leftover that would otherwise end up in the trash.


Gelatin is the same.
 
2013-03-15 11:45:50 AM

Teufelaffe: Vegans should stay away from everything.  There is nothing, no consumer good or foodstuff, that does not exist without the exploitation of something living.


So don't bother.  Let's just throw our trash in the street and pee out the window too.
 
2013-03-15 11:47:45 AM
Do vegans not care about the microorganisms in the food they eat as well? They have feelings too dammit.
 
2013-03-15 11:48:34 AM

cousin-merle: CheekyMonkey: Also, while I haven't tried it personally, I've heard that you can take the root end of an onion that you sliced off when you peeled it, plant it, and it will grow into another onion.  I start all my onions and leeks from seed, but if I have extra room in that planting bed this year, perhaps I'll give it a try...

I have done this with onions and pineapple tops.


I tried a couple of times, but never had success with pineapple tops.  Did you plant the whole cut-off pineapple top, or twist out the leaves and just plant them?
 
2013-03-15 11:50:58 AM
there is a vegan alternative fining agent, known as irish moss.  it's sea weed.  however, these two are used for different things.  isinglass bonds with yeast (negative charge), while carrageenan (irish moss) bonds with most of the proteins (positive charge).  however, time will also cause the yeast and a lot of the proteins to settle out of the beer, but that means extra cask/lager time, which ties up space, equipment, and costs more $$.  which you use (or both) depends a lot on your recipe.  if you are using certain yeasts (ie. low flocculant types) isinglass is a good idea, if your grain bill has high protein grains (lots of wheat for example), then a good dose of irish moss at the end of your boil will help.  of course there are all sorts of other reasons for haze (over sampling is another), but those are not addressed by fining agents.

// this new science amazes me! tell me again how fish bladders can be used to prevent haze in beer. - king arthur
 
2013-03-15 11:51:47 AM
Why do people even like Guinness Draught?  It tastes like it was flavored with pencil lead :-P
 
2013-03-15 11:52:59 AM

CheekyMonkey: I tried a couple of times, but never had success with pineapple tops.  Did you plant the whole cut-off pineapple top, or twist out the leaves and just plant them?


I followed this, and it has photos of what you should be seeing when you slice it up.

http://www.rickswoodshopcreations.com/pineapple/pineapple.htm
 
2013-03-15 12:01:11 PM

cousin-merle: Teufelaffe: Vegans should stay away from everything.  There is nothing, no consumer good or foodstuff, that does not exist without the exploitation of something living.

So don't bother.  Let's just throw our trash in the street and pee out the window too.


That's exactly what I'm suggesting.  It's like you read my mind!  Or, maybe I was pointing out the unintended consequences of Veganism.  All Vegans have really managed accomplish is getting a feeling superiority and the destruction of farmland (and a detrimental effect on local dietary habits) in South America in order to meet the increased demand for quinoa as an export.  But I'm sure that smugness they feel will help recover those over-farmed areas any day now.
 
2013-03-15 12:01:30 PM

cousin-merle: CheekyMonkey: I tried a couple of times, but never had success with pineapple tops.  Did you plant the whole cut-off pineapple top, or twist out the leaves and just plant them?

I followed this, and it has photos of what you should be seeing when you slice it up.

http://www.rickswoodshopcreations.com/pineapple/pineapple.htm


Thanks!  This explains why it wasn't working for me - I was just planting the sliced-off top.  As luck would have it, there's a pineapple sitting at home right now...
 
2013-03-15 12:01:53 PM

cousin-merle: Sam Smith > Guinness


THIS.  Guinness is pretty much a "meh" stout at best.  I'll drink it if there isn't anything else available.

/got my bar towel though.
 
2013-03-15 12:15:38 PM

Teufelaffe: That's exactly what I'm suggesting.  It's like you read my mind!  Or, maybe I was pointing out the unintended consequences of Veganism.  All Vegans have really managed accomplish is getting a feeling superiority and the destruction of farmland (and a detrimental effect on local dietary habits) in South America in order to meet the increased demand for quinoa as an export.  But I'm sure that smugness they feel will help recover those over-farmed areas any day now.


Yeah, because destroying hundreds of thousands of square miles of rainforest for cattle ranching is so much better for South America.  Not everything is equally bad.  You think you are making an intelligent point, but you're not.  Sure, there can be unintended consequences, but the status quo is orders of magnitude worse.
 
2013-03-15 12:16:46 PM

RedVentrue: Vegans know that eating animals are unavoidable, and they eat animals every day, right?


Nice grammar, perhaps the animal fats are clogging your brain!  How is eating animals unavoidable? Animals cannot make their own nutrients, they come strictly from plant based sources. When you eat the animals "bladder" (in this case) or any other part, ALL nutrients you derive from it were originally obtained through plants, true fact, look it up.

Vegans don't eat animals everyday, they never eat them, or eggs, or dairy, or cheese, or anything that compromises the integrity of sentient beings.

...Bring it on down to Veganville!
 
2013-03-15 12:16:48 PM
FISHAY FISHAAAAAAY!!!!
 
2013-03-15 12:22:26 PM
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2013-03-15 12:22:55 PM

cousin-merle: I use Irish moss.  Regardless of the vegetarian aspect, if you've ever had a beer that was improperly fined with gelatin, you would never want to use it again.  Gooey gelatinous beer is really gross (thanks for the experience Fantome).


Irish moss doesn't work well. Gelatin works really well. Cold-crashing by itself works pretty good.

I'm surprised that Guinness still uses fining agents. I thought that they'd be more efficient than that.
 
2013-03-15 12:28:51 PM

trappedspirit: Humans eat these?


I miss OMNI so much.

Has the "Guinness sucks" started yet?  Because it does.  No matter what they put in it.
 
2013-03-15 12:30:11 PM

CheekyMonkey: cousin-merle: CheekyMonkey: I tried a couple of times, but never had success with pineapple tops.  Did you plant the whole cut-off pineapple top, or twist out the leaves and just plant them?

I followed this, and it has photos of what you should be seeing when you slice it up.

http://www.rickswoodshopcreations.com/pineapple/pineapple.htm

Thanks!  This explains why it wasn't working for me - I was just planting the sliced-off top.  As luck would have it, there's a pineapple sitting at home right now...


That the deal where you pull off the leaves then slice down to expose the root buds in the core? 'Cuz, that's how i do it. Got about five plants going right now. No fruit, so they are pretty much just ornamental.

Of course if you are in a more tropical environment, like Florida, you might get away with just tossing the cut off top out into the back yard
 
2013-03-15 12:36:33 PM

cousin-merle: Teufelaffe: That's exactly what I'm suggesting.  It's like you read my mind!  Or, maybe I was pointing out the unintended consequences of Veganism.  All Vegans have really managed accomplish is getting a feeling superiority and the destruction of farmland (and a detrimental effect on local dietary habits) in South America in order to meet the increased demand for quinoa as an export.  But I'm sure that smugness they feel will help recover those over-farmed areas any day now.

Yeah, because destroying hundreds of thousands of square miles of rainforest for cattle ranching is so much better for South America.  Not everything is equally bad.  You think you are making an intelligent point, but you're not.  Sure, there can be unintended consequences, but the status quo is orders of magnitude worse.


Not saying they're equally bad, but when was the last time you met a Vegan who was actually willing to acknowledge that their chosen diet is still destructive to the environment?  I haven't yet, but maybe the Vegans you've met haven't been self-righteous douche-rockets who make a point to express just how superior they are to "meat eaters".  And this is shiat that comes up in conversations that are entirely unrelated to diet mind you. In my experience, most Vegans are just another version of the anti-fur people who wear leather or the Earth First! folks who drive gasoline-fueled cars.  They're more than happy to tell other people how horrible their choices are, but they never seem to be willing to cop to consequences of their own.
 
2013-03-15 12:42:56 PM

Molavian: Giltric: Vegans can make excuses for yeast being a living organism?

I've never understood that.  One of my friends said it was about not eating anything with a face.  I then pointed out how many insects were killed making his clothes and he got mad at me.


He should have gotten mad at you. You almost broke the delicate glass bubble that is his world.
lakecityquietpills.com
 
2013-03-15 12:44:02 PM
The vegans I know are aware of isinglass and either make their own beer or drink wine.
 
2013-03-15 12:47:02 PM

Cormee: pag1107: They should be ashamed at putting their name on such an awful product.

Anyone I know whose had it has said it's quite nice. I think it's been pulled off the market now, anyway


Guinness Black? Naw, still around. They're marketing it hard still, giving cases and cases away for free at "urban hipster" stuff if SF, like art openings and stuff. I've probably had thirty of them in the past two weeks...they're not very good but they're very free, so, I'll have thirty more real soon.

/unless it IS pulled and they're just making me drink their garbage
 
2013-03-15 12:47:12 PM
If everyone were vegan domestic cows, chickens, pigs, sheep and dogs would go extinct.

Wolves would mutate into giant creatures that feed upon the flesh of the larger mammels and famine would cross the land as wild species of rabbits take over spreading mixamatosis to people.

It would be the end ofcivilization
.

But don't let that stop those selfish vegans.
 
2013-03-15 12:47:51 PM
That must explain why the Irish drink like fishes.

How many Irish does it take to change a light bulb?
3. One to hold the bulb still and two to drink until the room  spins.

What's the difference between an Irish wedding and an Irish Funeral?
One less drunk.
 
2013-03-15 12:48:49 PM

Scrotastic Method: /unless it IS pulled and they're just making me drink their garbage


This would be an outrage!
 
2013-03-15 12:50:49 PM

punkhippie: Guinness sucks ass. It's probably the worst stout in existence.


Probably because you're not drinking it right....
farm3.static.flickr.com

/of course enough Bailey's and Jameson will make anything taste good.
 
2013-03-15 12:55:49 PM

Teufelaffe: when was the last time you met a Vegan who was actually willing to acknowledge that their chosen diet is still destructive to the environment?


Its far less destructive.

When was the last time you met a meat eater who was actually willing to acknowledge that their chosen diet is unsustainable and killing the planet!

Fact is, eating meat is cruel, self serving, and unnecessary.
 
2013-03-15 12:56:24 PM

CleanAndPure: If everyone were vegan domestic cows, chickens, pigs, sheep and dogs would go extinct.

Wolves would mutate into giant creatures that feed upon the flesh of the larger mammels and famine would cross the land as wild species of rabbits take over spreading mixamatosis to people.

It would be the end ofcivilization
.

But don't let that stop those selfish vegans.


Well, except for the fact that most wolves don't feed primarily on domestic livestock meaning that the extinction of domestic livestock wouldn't result in mutant wolves, and domestic dogs wouldn't go extinct because people stopped eating meat, and the animal species that would go extinct should we stop cultivating them don't feed on rabbits, meaning that there wouldn't be a sudden rabbit population boom, your SyFy Movie of the Week scenario is perfectly plausible.
 
2013-03-15 12:57:08 PM

Scrotastic Method: Cormee: pag1107: They should be ashamed at putting their name on such an awful product.

Anyone I know whose had it has said it's quite nice. I think it's been pulled off the market now, anyway

Guinness Black? Naw, still around. They're marketing it hard still, giving cases and cases away for free at "urban hipster" stuff if SF, like art openings and stuff. I've probably had thirty of them in the past two weeks...they're not very good but they're very free, so, I'll have thirty more real soon.

/unless it IS pulled and they're just making me drink their garbage


Maybe it's just in Ireland it was pulled, I was planning on trying one then someone mentioned it was no longer on the market.

Or maybe I just imagined it all.
 
2013-03-15 12:57:44 PM

Lusebagage: Fact is, eating meat is cruel, self serving, and unnecessary.


And delicious.
 
2013-03-15 12:59:41 PM

Lusebagage: Every Vegan I've ever met knows this already!  Vegans routinely research items they consume, in an effort to stay connected to their choices, shouldn't we all?


Speaking of veganism and research, I finally tried cooking a steak sous vide.  Based on internet research, I tried the "beer cooler" method.  Instant review:  it was cheap, hilariously easy, and outstanding.

First, I used a 5-gallon Rubbermaid water-jug cooler, the ubiquitous "gatorade dispenser" cooler.  This is 30 bucks at Home Depot, and has the advantage that you can drain water from the bottom.

Next, I turned on my basement water tap good and hot, and filled the cooler. A digital thermometer read 136 degrees, which is actually hotter than what I needed.  I can cook a steak using tap water!  The cooler lost maybe 1-2 degrees per hour, which is more than stable enough to cook a steak.

Next next, I tried the immersion trick for vacuum-sealing a steak in a bag without a vacuum-sealer.  You simply put the steak in a ziploc bag, lower it in the water, and let the water pressure push the bag together and the air out.  Close the bag and it's nigh-vacuum sealed.  This costs $0 in vacuum-sealing equipment.

Next next next, I hung the bag with clothespins from a bit of gardening twine over the top of the cooler, immersing it in the middle of the water.  After an hour, I took it out and slapped it on a hot hot hot pan until the outside looked brown enough.  The end result was perfect, uniformly medium rare straight through, on the first try.  I can't wait to try this with a grill when the weather gets nice.

Observations:  first, I didn't get much success with an instant-read thermometer to check the water.  If you amend the water temperature by stirring in cold or hot water, you need to keep a thermometer in there for a while to get an accurate reading.  I got 130F on an instant-read, so I thought everything was fine, but I left it in the water for 10 minutes, and it read 140F!!  So now I use a digital oven thermometer with the long cable sheathed in silicone, and leave it in the water the whole time.  Next time, I'll tape the thermocouple over the bag.

Observation II:  I have to leave the basement tap on for the water to heat up.  The first time I did this, I filled the cooler until the water was hot, measured the temperature for data collection purposes (120F), then dumped the water and filled it again from the now-hot water tap (136F).    The second time I did this, I poured the initial water into a bucket, then filled the cooler when the water got hot.  The temperature didn't hit the same target, and it dropped a few degrees unpredictably at the start.  The moral:  use the cooler to hold the warm-up water, and let it sit a while to "warm the pot."  Like making tea.

Observation III:  130F is halfway between boiling and the temperature of my cold water tap.  Combine this with the "gatorade cooler" and you get a surprisingly simple formula to keep the water at 130F forever.  Measure the water temperature and determine how many degrees you need to change it to make it 130.  Divide this number by 80:  that's the fraction of the bath water you need to exchange with boiling water or cold tap water to make it hit 130.  For example, I want 130F and I measure 125F.  5/80=1/16, and I have 4 gallons in the tank.  I need to drain 4*1/16=1 quart of water and pour in 1 quart of boiling water.   Now it's 130F.

I now have to improvise something that lets me hang the steak bags while keeping the lid screwed on tightly.
 
2013-03-15 01:00:27 PM

Lusebagage: Teufelaffe: when was the last time you met a Vegan who was actually willing to acknowledge that their chosen diet is still destructive to the environment?

Its far less destructive.

When was the last time you met a meat eater who was actually willing to acknowledge that their chosen diet is unsustainable and killing the planet!

Fact is, eating meat is cruel, self serving, and unnecessary.



 Oh look, someone who's anti-meat and doesn't know what the fark they're talking about.  Imagine that.
 
2013-03-15 01:02:54 PM

CleanAndPure: If everyone were vegan domestic cows, chickens, pigs, sheep and dogs would go extinct.


Good! Fact is, the only reason we have domesticated farm animals like cows and pigs is so humans can exploit them for their own means.
 
2013-03-15 01:06:14 PM
Yeti Imperial Stout, Tallgrass Buffalo Sweat, and Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout. 3 superior stouts to Guiness just off the top of my head. No fish bladder required.
 
2013-03-15 01:10:13 PM

Lusebagage: CleanAndPure: If everyone were vegan domestic cows, chickens, pigs, sheep and dogs would go extinct.

Good! Fact is, the only reason we have domesticated farm animals like cows and pigs is so humans can exploit them for their own means.


You mean like for farming, which is what most of the world uses them for, since they can't afford machinery? Oh and the abject poverty, let me tell you of the severe poverty afflicting most of the world's farmers and farm workers - some even right here in the good ol' USA!

It must be nice being a first world vegetarian. You get to eat whatever you want, and not have to think about the toil and misery that got your bean burritos and gaspacho to you. That blood? It's not from the beets.
 
2013-03-15 01:10:33 PM

CheekyMonkey: Mr. Breeze: CheekyMonkey: pute kisses like a man: CheekyMonkey: Giltric: Vegans can make excuses for yeast being a living organism?

No, but HuffPo needs clicks.  Also, 99.4% of all commercial beers use either isinglass or gelatin as a fining ingredient.  Neither of which is vegan-friendly.

Vegans should just stay away from all alcoholic beverages, though, since they're all based on fermentation, which exploits yeast.

well, isn't fish bladder oil a lot more user friendly than ground up horse hooves (or whatever goes into gelatin)?

i mean, at least the pescaterians can still drink.

/ has a wife that occasionally avoids the mammals.  so, fish and birds... but, she only avoids cooking it.  if someone else makes it, she'll eat it.  since, like the dala lamai said, it's already dead, you might as well spare the feelings of your host.

1.  It isn't oil.
2.  Why would it be more "user-friendly"?  Either a bunch of fish died to make the isinglass, or a bunch of ungulates died to make the gelatin.


The fish are probably commercially caught anyway so the meat is sold for food, and isenglass is simply a leftover that would otherwise end up in the trash.

Gelatin is the same.


because gelatin comes from charismatic super fauna, while isinglass comes from dirty bottom feeding fish that nobody really likes all that much unless you're a mermaid.
 
2013-03-15 01:14:55 PM

Teufelaffe: Not saying they're equally bad, but when was the last time you met a Vegan who was actually willing to acknowledge that their chosen diet is still destructive to the environment?  I haven't yet, but maybe the Vegans you've met haven't been self-righteous douche-rockets who make a point to express just how superior they are to "meat eaters".  And this is shiat that comes up in conversations that are entirely unrelated to diet mind you. In my experience, most Vegans are just another version of the anti-fur people who wear leather or the Earth First! folks who drive gasoline-fueled cars.  They're more than happy to tell other people how horrible their choices are, but they never seem to be willing to cop to consequences of their own.


I know tons of vegans (personally, I still do cheese if I can get it without rennet), and literally zero of them are the way you describe.  The vegans I know think it would be good if others stopped eating meat (or at least stopped contributing to large-scale factory farming), but couldn't give a damn what other people do in their free time.  Usually, they are less inclined to say anything because every macho man-child feels the need to make a pithy comment when they find out someone doesn't eat meat (and it's usually one of the same three "jokes" that have already been repeated in this thread).  Perhaps if you spent less time insulting them, they would be nicer to you.  Telling people they are wasting their time because their choices aren't perfect (in a world where there are no perfect choices) isn't exactly productive.  Have you ever considered that you're the one coming across as preachy and smug by taking this tack?  Do you actually give two shiats about the poor quinoa farmers and llamas in the Andes?  I doubt it; seems like you have a lot of hate and are just looking for a cudgel.
 
2013-03-15 01:15:46 PM

Znuh: It used to be blood.


I used to play video games with a Swede who swore there was blood in Guinness. I didn't exactly disbelieve him. Swedes take their drinking pretty seriously. Also their piracy. I think there's still a lot of viking blood floating around over yonder. He got me banned from a text MUD like 5 different times for causing too much trouble.

/cheers Vraurk, the Supreme Ravaging Bastard of the High Seas
 
2013-03-15 01:16:15 PM

Cormee: Scrotastic Method: Cormee: pag1107: They should be ashamed at putting their name on such an awful product.

Anyone I know whose had it has said it's quite nice. I think it's been pulled off the market now, anyway

Guinness Black? Naw, still around. They're marketing it hard still, giving cases and cases away for free at "urban hipster" stuff if SF, like art openings and stuff. I've probably had thirty of them in the past two weeks...they're not very good but they're very free, so, I'll have thirty more real soon.

/unless it IS pulled and they're just making me drink their garbage

Maybe it's just in Ireland it was pulled, I was planning on trying one then someone mentioned it was no longer on the market.

Or maybe I just imagined it all.


Well I've never tried to buy it, but I've had it served to me in a few art galleries over the past two months, as recently as Saturday.
 
2013-03-15 01:17:07 PM

verbaltoxin: ...and not have to think about the toil and misery that got your bean burritos and gaspacho to you. That blood? It's not from the beets.


Funny!
 
2013-03-15 01:17:09 PM
The problem with argument threads on fark is that by the time you idiots post, you're already wrong.
 
2013-03-15 01:17:34 PM
I thought this was common knowledge?
 
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