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(Journal News)   NY Democrat: My six-figure pension, $90,000 patronage job, $120,000 other patronage job, and $25,000 town supervisor's gig isn't enough - I must collect unemployment as well   (lohud.com) divider line 52
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2013-03-15 10:28:34 AM  
Well, that perfectly counterbalances the no bid contracts for Halliburton/KBR in Iraq.
 
2013-03-15 10:29:55 AM  
♪  Got millsbut still grill thatol'good welfare cheese ♪
 
2013-03-15 10:30:07 AM  
Someone got caught committing unemployment insurance fraud? Clearly this means the entire system needs to be scrapped.
 
2013-03-15 10:31:46 AM  
Anyone wanna take bets that the same people who scream about how horrible this is are the same people who think it's perfectly acceptable for 1%ers to collect Social Security?
 
2013-03-15 10:34:31 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Anyone wanna take bets that the same people who scream about how horrible this is are the same people who think it's perfectly acceptable for 1%ers to collect Social Security?


Shhh...they might hear you.
 
2013-03-15 10:36:24 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Anyone wanna take bets that the same people who scream about how horrible this is are the same people who think it's perfectly acceptable for 1%ers to collect Social Security?


You got it wrong.

People who would hold this up as a reason to curb unemployment benefits are probably the same ones who support means testing for Social Security. Then down the road they'll scream about it being a welfare program and call for it to be eliminated entirely.
 
2013-03-15 10:43:52 AM  
NY Democrat?  Wow, this is big news... Chuck Schumer? Kirsten Gillibrand?

Former Philipstown Supervisor William Mazzuca

Oh for goodness sakes.
 
2013-03-15 10:49:26 AM  

theknuckler_33: NY Democrat?  Wow, this is big news... Chuck Schumer? Kirsten Gillibrand?

Former Philipstown Supervisor William Mazzuca

Oh for goodness sakes.


NY Democrats = The last spectre of Tammany Hall that must be exorcised for the good of the state.

/Democrat
//Sees them no different than NY Republicans
///And I see them no different than the RNC
////A pox on all their houses
 
2013-03-15 10:50:59 AM  
In New York, double- and triple-dipping by politicians is considered de rigeur...de rig...derigeuer...it happens a lot.

They usually don't have the stones to go for an unemployment check on top of it all, though.
 
2013-03-15 11:07:56 AM  

theknuckler_33: NY Democrat?  Wow, this is big news... Chuck Schumer? Kirsten Gillibrand? Former Philipstown Supervisor William Mazzuca

Oh for goodness sakes.


No, no, no... Let's not get all circle-the-wagons, this guy's a DINO, no-story-here on this... I'm a pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, pot-smoking, Obama supporting Democrat, and I want to see this Democrat assbag terminated with maximum prejudice, if only because I don't want to hear his name chanted by the usual ass-clown, both-sides-are-bad apologists for the next 10 years.

I say we make an example of him so we have a precedent for when the next conservative Republican gets caught doing something abhorrent. And let's be honest... it won't take long.
 
2013-03-15 11:15:00 AM  

Rwa2play: NY Democrats = The last spectre of Tammany Hall that must be exorcised for the good of the state.


I can't say I'm that well read on the history of the Democratic political machinery in NY, but my understanding is that Tammany mainly controlled city politics (and state legislature elections within NYC), whereas this guy was running a town 40 miles or so north of the Bronx.

That said Albany is corrupt as hell, and it's a game that both parties play.  Remember Joe Bruno?
 
2013-03-15 11:16:34 AM  

Gulper Eel: In New York, double- and triple-dipping by politicians is considered de rigeur...de rig...derigeuer...it happens a lot.

They usually don't have the stones to go for an unemployment check on top of it all, though.

 
2013-03-15 11:20:48 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: I say we make an example of him so we have a precedent for when the next conservative Republican gets caught doing something abhorrent. And let's be honest... it won't take long.


They're working on it; the guy's been arrested and is awaiting trial.
 
2013-03-15 11:54:20 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Anyone wanna take bets that the same people who scream about how horrible this is are the same people who think it's perfectly acceptable for 1%ers to collect Social Security?

You got it wrong.

People who would hold this up as a reason to curb unemployment benefits are probably the same ones who support means testing for Social Security. Then down the road they'll scream about it being a welfare program and call for it to be eliminated entirely.


No, the effective answer is he's playing by the rules of the game, just like Job Creators do when they evade taxes, outsource to India, limit workers to 30-hour weeks, etc.
 
2013-03-15 12:20:35 PM  
A lot of people getting defensive and dismissive about this.

1) No one should get a 115k state/federal pension
2) Stacking and inflating pensions must stop
3) Means testing for all programs
4) Swift and severe punishment for those who commit tax/unemployment/Medicare/Medicaid fraud
 
2013-03-15 12:22:02 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Anyone wanna take bets that the same people who scream about how horrible this is are the same people who think it's perfectly acceptable for 1%ers to collect Social Security?


Wanna bet that those who do not think the 1% should collect SS will deflect the issue of this Democrat or outright defend him?

/you stupid hack
 
2013-03-15 12:23:18 PM  
A politician brought up on fraud charges and there's less and 20 comments?! What the hell? Oh, wait. I see. It's a democrat. Perfectly okay then. Let's get back to scrutinizing anything and everything conservatives say or do.
 
2013-03-15 12:24:14 PM  

jasimo: 1) No one should get a 115k state/federal pension


i would disagree with "no one". how about their pension be appropriate for their job, instead of knee jerking

jasimo: 2) Stacking and inflating pensions must stop


maybe. more information required

jasimo: 3) Means testing for all programs


yeah.. if you're collection a pension that should automatically DQ you for unemployment

jasimo: 4) Swift and severe punishment for those who commit tax/unemployment/Medicare/Medicaid fraud


are you willing to pay for the enforcement apparatus? are you willing to accept the reality that a it is more costly than it is worth to eliminate all inefficiency from a system - in this case inefficiency is fraud? (not that we're near that point, i'm just holding you to reality here)
 
2013-03-15 12:26:11 PM  

TerminalEchoes: A politician brought up on fraud charges and there's less and 20 comments?! What the hell? Oh, wait. I see. It's a democrat. Perfectly okay then. Let's get back to scrutinizing anything and everything conservatives say or do.


Yeah, I'm the libbyest lib whoever libbed a lib and I was struck by how dismissive/defensive everyone was about it, too.

(See my comment a few posts above)
 
2013-03-15 12:36:02 PM  

Kazan: jasimo: 1) No one should get a 115k state/federal pension

i would disagree with "no one". how about their pension be appropriate for their job, instead of knee jerking


No. No one deserves 115k a year for life as a pension for a Federal/State job. Not the President, not a Governor. No one.

jasimo: 2) Stacking and inflating pensions must stop

maybe. more information required



In California (and elsewhere, I understand) you can save up leave and sick time and have it counted toward your pension. (For example: Add six months of sick leave/vacation time to annual salary to determine pension.)So you have things like ex-librarians getting over 100k pensions.  

jasimo: 3) Means testing for all programs

yeah.. if you're collection a pension that should automatically DQ you for unemployment


Also for SS and Medicare.

jasimo: 4) Swift and severe punishment for those who commit tax/unemployment/Medicare/Medicaid fraud

are you willing to pay for the enforcement apparatus? are you willing to accept the reality that a it is more costly than it is worth to eliminate all inefficiency from a system - in this case inefficiency is fraud? (not that we're near that point, i'm just holding you to reality here)


I reject the premise that it's not cost-efficient to root out corruption. You think an additional anti-fraud agent can't root out enough fraud to pay his way? If he can't find 200k in fraud (more than enough to pay for salary, benefits, etc.) he's not much of an investigator. The crackdown on Medicare/Medicaid fraud is a good example of how cost-effect cracking down can be.
 
2013-03-15 12:41:32 PM  

ComicBookGuy: Well, that perfectly counterbalances the no bid contracts for Halliburton/KBR in Iraq.


See, it's ok, because THEY do it too!
 
2013-03-15 12:48:21 PM  
Gut this fish.


I was on unemployment for 3 months after a divorce and a move. Then after I got back to work I was told that the 3 months of unemployment I was paid shouldn't have been because the office was claiming I left the job willingly. It was a term contract, my work was up, but my director was kind enough to let me pick the exact date to work around our moving schedule.

So now I have to pay all of the money back (which I don't begrudge its just making things a little tight).
 
2013-03-15 12:49:40 PM  

jasimo: No. No one deserves 115k a year for life as a pension for a Federal/State job. Not the President, not a Governor. No one.


No. You want government to be ran decently then people who are top level pros need to be paid reasonable compared to what they could make in the private sector (and we're ignoring CEOs who are grossly over paid here).

jasimo: In California (and elsewhere, I understand) you can save up leave and sick time and have it counted toward your pension. (For example: Add six months of sick leave/vacation time to annual salary to determine pension.)So you have things like ex-librarians getting over 100k pensions.


saved up sick time should be treated as if you were still working, instead of as some sort of pension multiplier shenanigans. However I suspect that you might be miss-stating exactly what is going on. I bet what is likely is that it is being treated that way, but that they're drawing their pension at the same time. pension draw shouldn't start until after all the saved up vacation/sick is burned.

jasimo: Also for SS and Medicare.


SS has a benefit cap and a collection cap. I disagree with your assertion on medicare just because i think the entire health 'care' industry is a scam and we should just nationalize the entire farking mess and go single payer.

jasimo: I reject the premise that it's not cost-efficient to root out corruption. You think an additional anti-fraud agent can't root out enough fraud to pay his way? If he can't find 200k in fraud (more than enough to pay for salary, benefits, etc.) he's not much of an investigator. The crackdown on Medicare/Medicaid fraud is a good example of how cost-effect cracking down can be.


you can reject the notion all you want, but BEYOND A CERTAIN POINT, you are wrong. We are nowhere near that point right now, so definitely the agency would pay for itself. However beyond a certain point it becomes more costly than it is worth, you can never have a perfect system. I was preempting the notion that you could have a perfect system.
 
2013-03-15 12:58:41 PM  

jasimo: A lot of people getting defensive and dismissive about this.

1) No one should get a 115k state/federal pension
2) Stacking and inflating pensions must stop
3) Means testing for all programs
4) Swift and severe punishment for those who commit tax/unemployment/Medicare/Medicaid fraud


Just out of curiosity, would a military veteran pension be counted among the "stacking and inflating" government pensions?  If you pull your cards right, you can retire before you're 40.
 
2013-03-15 01:01:01 PM  
and his political party is important why?
 
2013-03-15 01:03:07 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: theknuckler_33: NY Democrat?  Wow, this is big news... Chuck Schumer? Kirsten Gillibrand? Former Philipstown Supervisor William Mazzuca

Oh for goodness sakes.

No, no, no... Let's not get all circle-the-wagons, this guy's a DINO, no-story-here on this... I'm a pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, pot-smoking, Obama supporting Democrat, and I want to see this Democrat assbag terminated with maximum prejudice, if only because I don't want to hear his name chanted by the usual ass-clown, both-sides-are-bad apologists for the next 10 years.

I say we make an example of him so we have a precedent for when the next conservative Republican gets caught doing something abhorrent. And let's be honest... it won't take long.


I was only attempting to make the point that it's hard to get very worked up about a former town supervisor for a community of less than 10,000 people. Stick with Menedez or Charlie Rangel... its got more teeth to it. Yea, fry this guy. He's hardly some poster-boy for NY democrats.
 
2013-03-15 01:04:16 PM  
DINO?
 
2013-03-15 01:06:31 PM  

Kazan: yeah.. if you're collection a pension that should automatically DQ you for unemployment


I believe it does, which is one reason this guy is in trouble. Or I should rephrase... it doesn't DQ you (only working does that), but having some kind of income coming in I think lowers your benefits in the amount of that income. Which in this case would be entirely.
 
2013-03-15 01:11:00 PM  
is a 115k defined benefit pension necessary for the state to be able to attract productive managers? probably not. we aren't looking for people to perform brain surgery or argue a scotus appeal here and we aren't even asking these people to put their lives on the line everyday like garbagemen, roofers, and cab drivers.

so why have pensions grown out of proportion to what is reasonable? how come you can draw on them when you are still capable of work? why are these defined benefit instead of defined contribution?
pure greed combined with the power of the public unions, and every bit of it sucks resources that could and should have been used on productive government and the less fortunate.
 
2013-03-15 01:14:50 PM  

theknuckler_33: I was only attempting to make the point that it's hard to get very worked up about a former town supervisor for a community of less than 10,000 people. Stick with Menedez or Charlie Rangel... its got more teeth to it. Yea, fry this guy. He's hardly some poster-boy for NY democrats.


FWIW, I wasn't attacking you, just trying to get out in front of people like TerminalEchoes who had to leap up with their standard "Leave conservatives alone! Some Progressive somewhere, at some point, did something vaguely similar! Wah!" routine. Which happened anyway, naturally.
 
2013-03-15 01:15:52 PM  

greenboy: and his political party is important why?


Stop trying to ease the blow.
 
2013-03-15 01:22:25 PM  

TIKIMAN87: greenboy: and his political party is important why?

Stop trying to ease the blow.


Even if he was a republican, i wouldn't care.  He's a thief.
 
2013-03-15 01:27:17 PM  
ComicBookGuy: Well, that perfectly counterbalances the no bid contracts for Halliburton/KBR in Iraq. It's OK when our side does it.

FTFY
 
2013-03-15 01:44:38 PM  

Rwa2play: theknuckler_33: NY Democrat?  Wow, this is big news... Chuck Schumer? Kirsten Gillibrand?

Former Philipstown Supervisor William Mazzuca

Oh for goodness sakes.

NY Democrats = The last spectre of Tammany Hall that must be exorcised for the good of the state.

/Democrat
//Sees them no different than NY Republicans
///And I see them no different than the RNC
////A pox on all their houses


Translation: BSABSVD
 
2013-03-15 02:13:30 PM  
Kazan: jasimo: No. No one deserves 115k a year for life as a pension for a Federal/State job. Not the President, not a Governor. No one.

No. You want government to be ran decently then people who are top level pros need to be paid reasonable compared to what they could make in the private sector (and we're ignoring CEOs who are grossly over paid here).



jasimo: In California (and elsewhere, I understand) you can save up leave and sick time and have it counted toward your pension. (For example: Add six months of sick leave/vacation time to annual salary to determine pension.)So you have things like ex-librarians getting over 100k pensions.

saved up sick time should be treated as if you were still working, instead of as some sort of pension multiplier shenanigans. However I suspect that you might be miss-stating exactly what is going on. I bet what is likely is that it is being treated that way, but that they're drawing their pension at the same time. pension draw shouldn't start until after all the saved up vacation/sick is burned.

jasimo: Also for SS and Medicare.

SS has a benefit cap and a collection cap. I disagree with your assertion on medicare just because i think the entire health 'care' industry is a scam and we should just nationalize the entire farking mess and go single payer.

jasimo: I reject the premise that it's not cost-efficient to root out corruption. You think an additional anti-fraud agent can't root out enough fraud to pay his way? If he can't find 200k in fraud (more than enough to pay for salary, benefits, etc.) he's not much of an investigator. The crackdown on Medicare/Medicaid fraud is a good example of how cost-effect cracking down can be.

you can reject the notion all you want, but BEYOND A CERTAIN POINT, you are wrong. We are nowhere near that point right now, so definitely the agency would pay for itself. However beyond a certain point it becomes more costly than it is worth, you can never have a perfect system. I was preempting ...




1) Move state/federal employees to a 401k system, like the private sector. You could pay them more and have a very generous matching program and still save a ton of money over the current state/federal pension system.

2) Nope. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-20/california-legislation-takes- aim-at-pension-padding-for-460-000-official.html">http://www.bloomber g.com/news/2011-05-20/california-legislation-takes- aim-at-pension-padding-for-460-000-official.html 

3) I'm with you on nationalized healthcare, the absence of which is criminally stupid, but while we're on the current system, I'd support means testing.

4) Of course no system is ever going to be 100% efficient. You hire fraud investigators as long as it's cost efficient to do so.
 
2013-03-15 02:16:32 PM  

jasimo: Kazan:

jasimo: 3) Means testing for all programs

yeah.. if you're collection a pension that should automatically DQ you for unemployment

Also for SS and Medicare.


In your premise, would this also disqualify all retired military personnel?  They also collect pensions which in most cases are not enough to actually live survive on.

/First time posting.  Sorry for any errors.
 
2013-03-15 02:22:30 PM  

jedi_mind_meld: jasimo: Kazan:

jasimo: 3) Means testing for all programs

yeah.. if you're collection a pension that should automatically DQ you for unemployment

Also for SS and Medicare.

In your premise, would this also disqualify all retired military personnel?  They also collect pensions which in most cases are not enough to actually live survive on.

/First time posting.  Sorry for any errors.


No, we treat the military differently and I think we should continue to do so.
 
2013-03-15 02:26:02 PM  
Also, I meant *means testing* for SS and Medicare, not that collecting a pension would necessarily disqualify one from receiving SS and Medicare (if that's what you thought I meant).
 
2013-03-15 02:38:06 PM  
Using any income collected (including military pensions) to determine the amount of unemployment received seems like something that should already be in place.  Your statement used no qualifiers and although there are probably not many, some other industries probably also offer pensions which would not sustain an individual or family.
 
2013-03-15 02:53:46 PM  
Well, many Republicans believe that any job supported by taxpayer dollars isn't a REAL job, so technically the subject of the article IS unemployed after all.

///snark
 
2013-03-15 04:08:11 PM  
But...but...he's entitled!
 
2013-03-15 04:15:40 PM  

jasimo: 1) Move state/federal employees to a 401k system, like the private sector. You could pay them more and have a very generous matching program and still save a ton of money over the current state/federal pension system.


no. i consider 401ks a farking scam, because the stock market these days is largely a scam.

jasimo: 2) Nope. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-20/california-legislation-takes- aim-at-pension-padding-for-460-000-official.html">http://www.bloomber g.com/news/2011-05-20/california-legislation-takes- aim-at-pension-padding-for-460-000-official.html


California, i am disappoint.

jasimo: 3) I'm with you on nationalized healthcare, the absence of which is criminally stupid, but while we're on the current system, I'd support means testing.


fair enough

jasimo: 4) Of course no system is ever going to be 100% efficient. You hire fraud investigators as long as it's cost efficient to do so.


ok that is what i was getting at. I misread the type of person you were based on your Boobies. some people insist that if you cannot eliminate 100% of all inefficiencies/fraud that you should just eliminate the system.
 
2013-03-15 04:26:56 PM  
So let's cut unemployment to the poors that have refrigerators!

Throw the bastard in prison for a long time.  Of course, he'll still be able to get his pension I'm sure.  Scumbag.
 
2013-03-15 05:17:57 PM  
Hey, chiming in for a fact drop--
Just "retired" from the military(transferred to Inactive Fleet Reserve to be official). Normal retirement, not a disability/wounded/medical issue.
Did a little over 21 years. I cannot collect unemployment for 18 months after retirement date due to receiving a pension.
Not that I wanted or needed it.
/Found employment while on terminal leave, so I'm good. Easy transition and no move.
//If I didn't have a job for 18 months....well, there's always exotic dancing for a niche market.
 
2013-03-15 05:26:26 PM  

mykicks: Hey, chiming in for a fact drop--
Just "retired" from the military(transferred to Inactive Fleet Reserve to be official). Normal retirement, not a disability/wounded/medical issue.
Did a little over 21 years. I cannot collect unemployment for 18 months after retirement date due to receiving a pension.
Not that I wanted or needed it.
/Found employment while on terminal leave, so I'm good. Easy transition and no move.
//If I didn't have a job for 18 months....well, there's always exotic dancing for a niche market.


Just curious, is that for all retirees or if they did not hit max time for their grade (if you know)?
 
2013-03-15 05:47:24 PM  

jedi_mind_meld: mykicks: Hey, chiming in for a fact drop--
Just "retired" from the military(transferred to Inactive Fleet Reserve to be official). Normal retirement, not a disability/wounded/medical issue.
Did a little over 21 years. I cannot collect unemployment for 18 months after retirement date due to receiving a pension.
Not that I wanted or needed it.
/Found employment while on terminal leave, so I'm good. Easy transition and no move.
//If I didn't have a job for 18 months....well, there's always exotic dancing for a niche market.

Just curious, is that for all retirees or if they did not hit max time for their grade (if you know)?


I am in Virginia, so it may be different by state, but it is for all retirees after 20 years or however long they did that warrants a pension. AFAIK, if someone is medically retired, that money is from the VA and there are different tax rules and what not, depending on percentage and type of discharge.
If you just roll out at the end of a tour prior to 20 years, I believe you can collect unemployment within the standard process. Again, some different tax/entitlement issues arise on whether you are using your GI Bill, whether your got out before finishing time for a bonus(even if it was not your choice), and whether you got severance pay for HYT or Enlisted Retention Boards....oh, yes, you can get laid off from the Navy hahaha

/ Just illustrating complexities that arise from seemingly simple solutions. Sorry for the wall.
// Not super happy about Virginia's state income tax that I now pay--meh, OK I'll pay it. But in addition they tax military pension, unlike quite a few other states. Kinda negates a good chunk of "extra money" compared to when I was active.
/// A happy sailor's a biatchin' sailor. : )
 
2013-03-15 06:03:03 PM  

jasimo: A lot of people getting defensive and dismissive about this.

1) No one should get a 115k state/federal pension
2) Stacking and inflating pensions must stop
3) Means testing for all programs
4) Swift and severe punishment for those who commit tax/unemployment/Medicare/Medicaid fraud


1) it's based on past earnings so why not 115k? or more depending.
2) yeah there's not much to justify that.
3) so long as those on the bottom end are 2 x poverty or more. i'm single getting a reasonable amount of SS an still have to work. means testing me at the federal poverty level, even times two, means i can't get on a program. believe me i wouldn't turn down food stamps given today's grocery bill.
4) swift punishment for individuals w/o jail. there are too many people in jail as it is. businesses committing medicare/medicaid fraud = huge fine and min 2 years in prison for ALL the company officers/owners.
 
2013-03-15 08:17:38 PM  

TerminalEchoes: A politician brought up on fraud charges and there's less and 20 comments?! What the hell? Oh, wait. I see. It's a democrat. Perfectly okay then. Let's get back to scrutinizing anything and everything conservatives say or do.


Yeah, Democrats REALLY get a pass on this site. It's not like every time President Obama sneezes, there are a thousand stories about how the sneeze seemed "awfully Socialist Muslim."
 
2013-03-15 09:30:56 PM  
mykicks, thanks for the response.  It is a little counterintuitive to give unemployment to someone who decides not to re-up while immediately disqualifying someone who may have hit their retirement status due to their rank.
 
2013-03-15 10:57:41 PM  

fatalvenom: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Anyone wanna take bets that the same people who scream about how horrible this is are the same people who think it's perfectly acceptable for 1%ers to collect Social Security?

Shhh...they might hear you.


Why shouldnt they? If a 1%er pays into SS, he / she should expect the plan to work like everyone else...
 
m00
2013-03-16 04:19:47 PM  

jasimo: In California (and elsewhere, I understand) you can save up leave and sick time and have it counted toward your pension. (For example: Add six months of sick leave/vacation time to annual salary to determine pension.)So you have things like ex-librarians getting over 100k pensions.


link?
 
2013-03-16 06:58:49 PM  

m00: jasimo: In California (and elsewhere, I understand) you can save up leave and sick time and have it counted toward your pension. (For example: Add six months of sick leave/vacation time to annual salary to determine pension.)So you have things like ex-librarians getting over 100k pensions.

link?


I don't know from California's system, but usually school employees have no way to wangle a six-figure pension because even at an upper-five-figure salary there's no way to pad out a teacher or librarian's overtime the way it's possible to do so for paid cops and firefighters, and it's very rare that a teacher retires on "disability" the way a cop or firefighter can.

I used quotes around 'disability' there because my state has had a really, really wide definition of the term - basically, you could have had a wicked case of gas from eating at a Taco Bell once, and that'll be good to qualify you.

Teacher pensions aren't what's farking the pension system - look to the cops and firefighters and anybody else where there's a round-the-clock schedule in effect, like mass transit. A cop making $60K/yr can work shiatloads of overtime his last three years and wind up being paid a $100K pension starting in their 40's. The LIRR in New York had a scam going where over 90% of their workers were retiring on disability for a while.
 
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