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(Mother Nature Network)   Perhaps the biggest obstacle facing humans who want to embark on a 100-year, multi-generational voyage to a planet orbiting a nearby star is that all the packed clothing would wear out long before reaching the final destination   (mnn.com) divider line 140
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2013-03-15 02:17:21 AM
She pointed out that the cycle of producing, washing and disposing of clothes is, "one of the nastiest, most toxic things that we as humans do."

You know, if you ignore energy exploration, food production, and probably a couple of other things.
 
2013-03-15 02:25:52 AM
They should be consistent with the nekkid images on the gold plaque we sent out.
 
2013-03-15 02:49:53 AM
I had a pair of shorts made out of hemp that lasted WAY longer than they should have.  I mean, they lasted through several fashion cycles.  That's not right.  On the other hand ... make the clothes out of hemp grown onboard the ship.  Everybody would be mellow, making clothes and baskets and such, and next thing you know, you're there ;)
 
2013-03-15 04:29:20 AM
that would SUCK to be born on one of those things

"what do you mean our home planet was absolutely fine why are we on this blasted ship?"
 
2013-03-15 05:15:17 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: that would SUCK to be born on one of those things

"what do you mean our home planet was absolutely fine why are we on this blasted ship?"


what would suck is when you finally got their and find that the planet your entire life has been built around settling was settled far before you arrived because the time gap between your ancestors leaving and you arriving was enough for new technology to be built which made the journey a 2 week trip.
 
2013-03-15 05:15:47 AM
Doesn't everyone in the future wear aluminum foil? Seems like it wouldn't wear out.

/pockets inside out
 
2013-03-15 05:17:08 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: that would SUCK to be born on one of those things

"what do you mean our home planet was absolutely fine why are we on this blasted ship?"


That whole "each generation will have their own goals" thing would be a huge problem to overcome.  I mean sure, we send off a ship of explorers, but in 50 years or so we can't predict what wil lhappen to the culture on board.
 
2013-03-15 05:17:46 AM

Anenu: Jon iz teh kewl: that would SUCK to be born on one of those things

"what do you mean our home planet was absolutely fine why are we on this blasted ship?"

what would suck is when you finally got their and find that the planet your entire life has been built around settling was settled far before you arrived because the time gap between your ancestors leaving and you arriving was enough for new technology to be built which made the journey a 2 week trip.


This was an outer limits episode.
 
Skr
2013-03-15 05:18:39 AM
They probably need to think different and use some sort of body molded (fits like latex ) product that can be broken down and remade. The broken down product would be sifted for biomass and that biomass would be reintroduced into the on board agriculture.


Mean while... in space

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2013-03-15 05:18:52 AM

Anenu: Jon iz teh kewl: that would SUCK to be born on one of those things

"what do you mean our home planet was absolutely fine why are we on this blasted ship?"

what would suck is when you finally got their and find that the planet your entire life has been built around settling was settled far before you arrived because the time gap between your ancestors leaving and you arriving was enough for new technology to be built which made the journey a 2 week trip.


cache.io9.com

One of my most favorite books.
 
2013-03-15 05:21:26 AM
True story: Spandex was designed to be used as clothes in space. Spandex is impossible to wear out due to its elasticity.

This is why modern television shows about space travel always feature spandex workwear.
 
2013-03-15 05:22:31 AM

Anenu: Jon iz teh kewl: that would SUCK to be born on one of those things

"what do you mean our home planet was absolutely fine why are we on this blasted ship?"

what would suck is when you finally got their and find that the planet your entire life has been built around settling was settled far before you arrived because the time gap between your ancestors leaving and you arriving was enough for new technology to be built which made the journey a 2 week trip.


That'd make for a great sci fi book or movie.
 
2013-03-15 05:24:59 AM
The article says nothing about clothes wearing out.  Yet of course, the headline is some made up bullshiat that's not even in the article.
 
2013-03-15 05:26:05 AM

SpinStopper: I had a pair of shorts made out of hemp that lasted WAY longer than they should have.  I mean, they lasted through several fashion cycles.


Hemp is amazing like that. Used to be mandatory for farmers to grow it during wars, because all ropes and sails on boats were made from it. They could be fined for not growing it.

Some people claim the reason it's illegal now has more to do with forcing people to keep buying clothes, and that makes more sense than all the talk of them making it illegal because they don't want people to be peaceful. Anyone who's spent any time around regular smokers knows it only does that to a minority.
 
2013-03-15 05:28:17 AM
So we'll all be naked? I could work with that.
 
2013-03-15 05:32:32 AM
This is why all the naked grey aliens like to "probe" us.

Generations of naked grey bored buttsex in a ship from Zeta II Reticuli....
 
2013-03-15 05:33:33 AM
Not only worn out, but SO last century...
 
2013-03-15 05:33:55 AM
If we can find new elements to 3d print space ships then i'm sure we can make trousers that don't fall apart after 50 years. Or why not add an extra compartment for sheep? Infinite wool cheat.
 
2013-03-15 05:36:06 AM

kryhme: The article says nothing about clothes wearing out.


this is a joke, right?
 
2013-03-15 05:36:43 AM
The spaceship would also need to somehow have Earth gravity or else the crew will all be jellyfish by the time they arrive.
 
2013-03-15 05:38:28 AM
doing the laundry is the most destructive thing we do to our clothes

I spray yards with 2 herbicides, 2 pesticides, 18 0 36 fertilizer, seven chelated metals, a short chain polymer irrigant and a compound mixture that does about 20 different things and it does less damage to my pants in 10 hours than the washer does in 10 minutes.  Only thing that has EVER damaged them besides the washer is the lift handle on the walk deflector of my rotary spreader.  My entire moving weight tore a 3/4 inch hole.

They're Dickies and they last most of two years washed twice per day.   fark spandex, its weak and useless.
 
2013-03-15 05:39:28 AM
3 D printers
 
2013-03-15 05:43:52 AM
That's one of the things that cracks me up when I read/see a story about preppers.  I've only seen a few who take produced non-food consumables into account.  Basics like TP.  How are you going to remove shiat residue from your ass for the next 40 years?  They don't tuck away new mattresses to swap in every 10 years or so.  New bedding, new towels, new shoes, new clothing, new toothbrushes, etc.  What about eyeglasses.  Even if their prescription never changes, a good pair of eyeglass frames will only hold up for maybe 5 years of constant use but I've never seen anyone show off their stockpile of spare frames and lenses.
 
2013-03-15 05:44:09 AM
When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?
 
2013-03-15 05:45:33 AM
So, you make a huge generational ship to transport an entire starting civilization to a planet to start an entirely new colony, but you didn't think to add one compartment to it to grow any kind of plant on the ship to make clothes with? Hemp or cotton or something similar?
 
2013-03-15 05:47:06 AM

jtown: That's one of the things that cracks me up when I read/see a story about preppers.  I've only seen a few who take produced non-food consumables into account.  Basics like TP.  How are you going to remove shiat residue from your ass for the next 40 years?  They don't tuck away new mattresses to swap in every 10 years or so.  New bedding, new towels, new shoes, new clothing, new toothbrushes, etc.  What about eyeglasses.  Even if their prescription never changes, a good pair of eyeglass frames will only hold up for maybe 5 years of constant use but I've never seen anyone show off their stockpile of spare frames and lenses.


Once doomsday hits, these things will be available for free.
 
Skr
2013-03-15 05:51:00 AM

jtown:  What about eyeglasses.  Even if their prescription never changes, a good pair of eyeglass frames will only hold up for maybe 5 years of constant use but I've never seen anyone show off their stockpile of spare frames and lenses.


Reminds me of the Twilight Zone Episode "Time Enough at Last"  the last man on earth loves reading.. and his glasses get broken.


www.phawker.com
 
2013-03-15 05:52:23 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Once doomsday hits, these things will be available for free.


So will guns and ammo, but they amass huge quantities of those. As if they're going to be alive long enough to use 20,000 rounds. If you find yourself even using 500 bullets, chances are you're already in serious trouble.
 
2013-03-15 05:53:31 AM
Make clothing out of the fabric that is used for car seats. That doesn't seem to wear out.
 
2013-03-15 05:53:58 AM
Guess we'll all just have to go naked.  Bring clothes for when we get there.

AverageAmericanGuy: TP


Hemp and wool were used before what we know as TP was invented.
 
2013-03-15 05:57:02 AM
Isn't the typical sci-fi answer to laundry just exposing the laundry to vacuum and agitating it a bit to shake off the flakes left over?
 
2013-03-15 06:00:15 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?


You've got a serious obsession about this.  You even bring it into threads that aren't even about outerspace just so you can make an angry comment about space exploration.  The anger you feel over something as inconsequential as a discussion of space travel isn't healthy.  Please see someone if you haven't already.  I'm serious.
 
2013-03-15 06:02:23 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: that would SUCK to be born on one of those things

"what do you mean our home planet was absolutely fine why are we on this blasted ship?"


That's what you get for being born of telephone sanitizer parents.
 
2013-03-15 06:05:25 AM
They would need a mall on the spaceship.
 
2013-03-15 06:12:05 AM
Jon iz teh kewl: that would SUCK to be born on one of those things
"what do you mean our home planet was absolutely fine why are we on this blasted ship?"


Said by the children of ever immigrant family throughout the history of humanity. You're never given the choice about where and to whom you're born. Deal with it.
 
2013-03-15 06:14:50 AM

neongoats: Isn't the typical sci-fi answer to laundry just exposing the laundry to vacuum and agitating it a bit to shake off the flakes left over?


Yes, but Leon's getting larger.  And gathering a lot of flakes.
 
2013-03-15 06:15:00 AM

prjindigo: doing the laundry is the most destructive thing we do to our clothes

I spray yards with 2 herbicides, 2 pesticides, 18 0 36 fertilizer, seven chelated metals, a short chain polymer irrigant and a compound mixture that does about 20 different things and it does less damage to my pants in 10 hours than the washer does in 10 minutes.  Only thing that has EVER damaged them besides the washer is the lift handle on the walk deflector of my rotary spreader.  My entire moving weight tore a 3/4 inch hole.

They're Dickies and they last most of two years washed twice per day.   fark spandex, its weak and useless.


Have you ever tried a front-load washer? Much kinder to your clothes.
 
2013-03-15 06:17:24 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?


Show us on the doll where that nasty Buzz Aldrin touched you.
 
2013-03-15 06:23:09 AM

gadian: Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?

You've got a serious obsession about this.  You even bring it into threads that aren't even about outerspace just so you can make an angry comment about space exploration.  The anger you feel over something as inconsequential as a discussion of space travel isn't healthy.  Please see someone if you haven't already.  I'm serious.


But it's perfectly healthy to fantasize about things that will never, ever happen, and act as if it's the future of the human race? I'll bet you'll get upset again if I call that a religion?

Ed Grubermann: Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?

Show us on the doll where that nasty Buzz Aldrin touched you.


Buzz Aldrin, while just a passenger on a stunt rocket, at least has the decency to be real. Your childish obsession with sci-fi fantasies are a religion, ie full of stuff that doesn't make sense, and will never happen.

The fact that clothes wear out is the least of the problems with this scenario. It sounds like you nutcases think we have all this technology all wrapped up and ready to go, but then it's just that we don't have clothes to wear.

If you think it's clothes that's preventing you from colonizing the universe, you've got issues with reality.
 
2013-03-15 06:27:52 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: gadian: Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?

You've got a serious obsession about this.  You even bring it into threads that aren't even about outerspace just so you can make an angry comment about space exploration.  The anger you feel over something as inconsequential as a discussion of space travel isn't healthy.  Please see someone if you haven't already.  I'm serious.

But it's perfectly healthy to fantasize about things that will never, ever happen, and act as if it's the future of the human race? I'll bet you'll get upset again if I call that a religion?

Ed Grubermann: Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?

Show us on the doll where that nasty Buzz Aldrin touched you.

Buzz Aldrin, while just a passenger on a stunt rocket, at least has the decency to be real. Your childish obsession with sci-fi fantasies are a religion, ie full of stuff that doesn't make sense, and will never happen.

The fact that clothes wear out is the least of the problems with this scenario. It sounds like you nutcases think we have all this technology all wrapped up and ready to go, but then it's just that we don't have clothes to wear.

If you think it's clothes that's preventing you from colonizing the universe, you've got issues with reality.


You seem to think that infinity is a finite period of time.  Saying "never ever" is the sign of a very closed mind.
 
2013-03-15 06:28:07 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?


the trip itself might take UNDER 10 years. if we develop a light speed drive after the first 3 years and send the instructions via planetary wi-fi to the 4D printer aboard the ship
 
2013-03-15 06:47:32 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?


And chucklefarks like you always say "it can't be done!"

And then someone figures out a way to do it.
 
2013-03-15 06:49:14 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: You seem to think that infinity is a finite period of time. Saying "never ever" is the sign of a very closed mind.


Too bad you're happy with your handful of years.

Ed Grubermann: I don't think we've got the technology wrapped up at all.


I just think it's not even a question of technology. Space is empty, it's too big, things are too far away, we don't live long enough, and "technology" isn't magic. If you thought things through, you'd see that. But you prefer to use imagery and emotional content from sci-fi.

Jon iz teh kewl: Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?

the trip itself might take UNDER 10 years. if we develop a light speed drive after the first 3 years and send the instructions via planetary wi-fi to the 4D printer aboard the ship


Wouldn't it need to be interplanetay wi-fi? Unless you mean planetary, as in we are all staying right here on this planet, and you guys will all wear VR helmets in the violent ward?
 
2013-03-15 06:53:23 AM

viscountalpha: Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?

And chucklefarks like you always say "it can't be done!"

And then someone figures out a way to do it.


Then be my guest. I'm still waiting for the 1997 Japanese Space Hotel. By all means, proceed.

I'll be waiting right here.

/There are a lot of ideas that people said couldn't be done. Guess what? Most of them didn't get done.
 
2013-03-15 06:57:29 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?

the trip itself might take UNDER 10 years. if we develop a light speed drive after the first 3 years and send the instructions via planetary wi-fi to the 4D printer aboard the ship


Why not just bring the light with you.  Then you would just have to travel 'with the light'.  Everyone's happy.
 
2013-03-15 06:59:49 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: You seem to think that infinity is a finite period of time. Saying "never ever" is the sign of a very closed mind.

Too bad you're happy with your handful of years.

Ed Grubermann: I don't think we've got the technology wrapped up at all.

I just think it's not even a question of technology. Space is empty, it's too big, things are too far away, we don't live long enough, and "technology" isn't magic. If you thought things through, you'd see that. But you prefer to use imagery and emotional content from sci-fi.

Jon iz teh kewl: Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?

the trip itself might take UNDER 10 years. if we develop a light speed drive after the first 3 years and send the instructions via planetary wi-fi to the 4D printer aboard the ship

Wouldn't it need to be interplanetay wi-fi? Unless you mean planetary, as in we are all staying right here on this planet, and you guys will all wear VR helmets in the violent ward?


while listening to Seba - Planetary Funk Alert
 
2013-03-15 06:59:49 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: I just think it's not even a question of technology. Space is empty, it's too big, things are too far away, we don't live long enough, and "technology" isn't magic. If you thought things through, you'd see that. But you prefer to use imagery and emotional content from sci-fi.


You have no idea what any of us think. You're too busy projecting your faith (and hidden doubts) in magical life extension on us to even listen to anything any of us say.
 
2013-03-15 07:01:26 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: You seem to think that infinity is a finite period of time. Saying "never ever" is the sign of a very closed mind.

Too bad you're happy with your handful of years.

Ed Grubermann: I don't think we've got the technology wrapped up at all.

I just think it's not even a question of technology. Space is empty, it's too big, things are too far away, we don't live long enough, and "technology" isn't magic. If you thought things through, you'd see that. But you prefer to use imagery and emotional content from sci-fi.

Jon iz teh kewl: Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?

the trip itself might take UNDER 10 years. if we develop a light speed drive after the first 3 years and send the instructions via planetary wi-fi to the 4D printer aboard the ship

Wouldn't it need to be interplanetay wi-fi? Unless you mean planetary, as in we are all staying right here on this planet, and you guys will all wear VR helmets in the violent ward?


Wow - someone's got a real bad case of "I don't believe it, so it can't possibly be true!". My father worked on the international space station (which people in the 1940's would have said could NEVER, EVER happen), so I tend to believe that space travel is something which is possible. I'm sorry you don't, but to me, it isn't just sci-fi. It's my family history.

P.S. If you'd told people in the 1800s that you could communicate with someone on another country via signals in the air, they'd have thought you were insane and put you in an asylum. YOU don't know what is possible in the entire future of mankind. YOU are shortsighted.
 
2013-03-15 07:04:26 AM

Ed Grubermann: Quantum Apostrophe: I just think it's not even a question of technology. Space is empty, it's too big, things are too far away, we don't live long enough, and "technology" isn't magic. If you thought things through, you'd see that. But you prefer to use imagery and emotional content from sci-fi.

You have no idea what any of us think. You're too busy projecting your faith (and hidden doubts) in magical life extension on us to even listen to anything any of us say.


Yes, magical life extension such as hospitals, germ theory, antibiotics, surgery, drugs, etc...

What you think is as plain as your face. You honestly believe this planet is just a mud ball, but that somehow the dead frozen rocks out there are somehow better. You also think it's the species' duty to spread itself out into the universe despite little things like farking huge distances, short fragile lifespan, and no such technology.

Close enough? And how are my doubts "hidden"? Your arguments are so weak I can only believe you haven't had your coffee yet. Oh, just one more thing to pack on the USS Enterprise, huh.
 
2013-03-15 07:07:46 AM

RealFarknMcCoy2: Quantum Apostrophe: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: You seem to think that infinity is a finite period of time. Saying "never ever" is the sign of a very closed mind.

Too bad you're happy with your handful of years.

Ed Grubermann: I don't think we've got the technology wrapped up at all.

I just think it's not even a question of technology. Space is empty, it's too big, things are too far away, we don't live long enough, and "technology" isn't magic. If you thought things through, you'd see that. But you prefer to use imagery and emotional content from sci-fi.

Jon iz teh kewl: Quantum Apostrophe: When are you chucklefarks gonna realize it's all just a fairy tale?

the trip itself might take UNDER 10 years. if we develop a light speed drive after the first 3 years and send the instructions via planetary wi-fi to the 4D printer aboard the ship

Wouldn't it need to be interplanetay wi-fi? Unless you mean planetary, as in we are all staying right here on this planet, and you guys will all wear VR helmets in the violent ward?

Wow - someone's got a real bad case of "I don't believe it, so it can't possibly be true!". My father worked on the international space station (which people in the 1940's would have said could NEVER, EVER happen), so I tend to believe that space travel is something which is possible. I'm sorry you don't, but to me, it isn't just sci-fi. It's my family history.

P.S. If you'd told people in the 1800s that you could communicate with someone on another country via signals in the air, they'd have thought you were insane and put you in an asylum. YOU don't know what is possible in the entire future of mankind. YOU are shortsighted.


show them teh Physics and they'll believe you. people are smart
 
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