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(AZ Family)   People living in Phoenix are mystified as to why someone living in Los Angeles would say Phoenix is a bad place to live. "I think jealousy is sort of an ugly thing"   (azfamily.com) divider line 114
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2013-03-15 09:50:07 AM
First clue: you're in Arizona.
 
2013-03-15 10:26:59 AM

ThatGuyGreg: First clue: you're in Arizona.


Yeah, but at least they aren't in LA.
 
2013-03-15 10:27:02 AM
Well, try this: your top law enforcement official is a fascist and the average summer temperature is like 9000 degrees, plus the Cardinals suck.

And that's just to start.
 
2013-03-15 10:27:36 AM
The only desert city worth living in is Vegas.
 
2013-03-15 10:29:27 AM

Oldiron_79: The only desert city worth living in is Vegas.

doesn't exist.

FTFY
 
2013-03-15 10:29:53 AM

Ned Stark: ThatGuyGreg: First clue: you're in Arizona.

Yeah, but at least they aren't in LA.


Or New Jersey.
 
2013-03-15 10:32:32 AM
"In Phoenix the convergence of heat, drought and violent winds is creating an ever-more-worrisome situation."

Not here it's not.  Sounds like someone is looking for page hits...or trying to discourage people from leaving LA (and California) in droves.
 
2013-03-15 10:32:50 AM
In Phoenix' defense: LA traffic; botched Botox lips; and endless, vapid self-centeredness.
 
2013-03-15 10:33:06 AM

Oldiron_79: The only desert city worth living in is Vegas.


I can't imagine actually living in Vegas. That entire city is basically one gigantic beatdown 24 hours a days. Great place to visit, would NEVER live there.

But, if a Vegas farker can give a positive perspective on what it's like actually living in Vegas, I'd be interested in hearing it.
 
2013-03-15 10:34:31 AM
In defense of Phoenix, the women there are excruciatingly better looking that much of the nation. I don't know what you guys do down there in Arizona, but damn you got some fine ass women.
 
2013-03-15 10:34:50 AM

tnpir: Well, try this: your top law enforcement official is a fascist and the average summer temperature is like 9000 degrees, plus the Cardinals suck.

And that's just to start.


He's a county Sheriff...hardly the "top law enforcement official"

...and most people like him - you'll get over it.
 
2013-03-15 10:35:13 AM

walkerhound: Ned Stark: ThatGuyGreg: First clue: you're in Arizona.

Yeah, but at least they aren't in LA.

Or New Jersey.


HEY. Don't make me come up there.
 
2013-03-15 10:36:47 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: tnpir: Well, try this: your top law enforcement official is a fascist and the average summer temperature is like 9000 degrees, plus the Cardinals suck.

And that's just to start.

He's a county Sheriff...hardly the "top law enforcement official"

...and most people like him - you'll get over it.


And most people like reality television. That doesn't make it RIGHT.
 
2013-03-15 10:42:30 AM
Well, I guess if 120 degree heat, old people and a raging hatred of brown people is your thing, you too would be confused as to why most people won't go anywhere near the state of Arizona, much less Phoenix.

The scary part is Phoenix is still better than Tucson.
 
2013-03-15 10:43:17 AM
Both places suck.

However, if we demolished both cities are started anew I'll concede I'd rather start anew in LA. The area once upon a time was beautiful.
 
2013-03-15 10:43:22 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: In defense of Phoenix, the women there are excruciatingly better looking that much of the nation. I don't know what you guys do down there in Arizona, but damn you got some fine ass women.


I do have fond memories of my time at ASU. So fond...

I'll be in my bunk.
 
2013-03-15 10:45:07 AM
having lived in LA I would take pheonix any day of the week and twice on sundays
they don't have perpetually poisonous skies, for one
they don't have the traffic
trust me on the traffic thing, in LA it is farking maddening
they aren't california, and that's fantastic all by itself
there are other reasons..but I'm bored
 
2013-03-15 10:50:04 AM
Driving in Phoenix is fun.

Yuppys driving 80 mph over the speed limit in their sports cars mixed with 90 year old retirees in their 2 ton Caddys.
 
2013-03-15 10:52:14 AM

walkerhound: Ned Stark: ThatGuyGreg: First clue: you're in Arizona.

Yeah, but at least they aren't in LA.

Or New Jersey.


Kiss her where it smells, take her to New Jersey!

/rip Carlin
 
2013-03-15 10:52:15 AM
"I'd rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona."
 
2013-03-15 10:53:14 AM
I don't want to live in either place.  LA steals all it's water from up north so it's no paradise either. It at least has some culture to go along with it.  Phoenix is just going to get hotter and worse. Northern Arizona once you get up on the Rim is nicer, but you still gotta worry about the lack of rain.

/Born and raised in Phoenix
//Never moving back.
 
2013-03-15 10:57:59 AM
I live in L.A. but have also visited Phoenix.  I prefer L.A.  I can smoke pot on the beach while being very brown/tan.   Tombstone is a lot of fun, though.
 
2013-03-15 10:58:15 AM

brimed03: In Phoenix' defense: LA traffic; botched Botox lips; and endless, vapid self-centeredness.


Obviously, you may have missed the traffic in Phoenix, that Phoenix is one of the plastic surgery capitals of the world, and haven't exactly seen Phoenix's finest in action...

As a former resident of Maricopa, I wouldn't live there again. Then again, you couldn't pay me to live in LA either, so there's that.
 
2013-03-15 11:00:10 AM

brimed03: In Phoenix' defense: LA traffic; botched Botox lips; and endless, vapid self-centeredness.


That is no defense for Phoenix it's an attack on LA. I'm not saying you are wrong about LA.
 
2013-03-15 11:03:53 AM
Violent Winds?  The Haboobs are far from tornados. They look impressive, but the worse thing they do is dirty your pool.

At least we don't have earthquakes threatening to tear apart our infrastructure. It's only a matter of time, LA.
 
2013-03-15 11:05:14 AM

walkerhound: Ned Stark: ThatGuyGreg: First clue: you're in Arizona.

Yeah, but at least they aren't in LA.

Or New Jersey.


Try growing up in Louisiana.

If the heavy wet heat doesn't get you, the swamp stank and bugs do.
 
2013-03-15 11:07:13 AM

tnpir: Well, try this: your top law enforcement official is a fascist and the average summer temperature is like 9000 degrees, plus the Cardinals suck.

And that's just to start.


If you're defending LA, do you really want to bring law enforcement into the discussion?
 
2013-03-15 11:08:37 AM
Regional pissing contests are great when the news is slow.
 
2013-03-15 11:13:25 AM
love living in l.a.  great food, great neighborhoods, lots to do.
traffic sucks.  oh how traffic sucks.

lived in phoenix for eight years.  traffic sucked there too.
 
2013-03-15 11:17:48 AM

natas6.0: having lived in LA I would take pheonix any day of the week and twice on sundays
they don't have perpetually poisonous skies, for one
they don't have the traffic
trust me on the traffic thing, in LA it is farking maddening
they aren't california, and that's fantastic all by itself
there are other reasons..but I'm bored


Phoenix ain't a bad town - there's stuff to do there now, and there is culture and all that good stuff - and of course, a whole lot of great outdoor scenic beauty in the surrounding area. But the weather is a deal-breaker - I just can't deal with it. LA has it's problems, too - but I've lived here all the urban years of my life, and until I leave urban life altogether, I may as well stay here. I know I'm a disappointment - i don't hate anybody or anyplace enough to be any fun in these discussions.
Except Gallup, New Mexico. That place is right out.
 
2013-03-15 11:19:50 AM

LadyBelgara: Well, I guess if 120 degree heat, old people and a raging hatred of brown people is your thing, you too would be confused as to why most people won't go anywhere near the state of Arizona, much less Phoenix.

The scary part is Phoenix is still better shiattier than Tucson.


Tucson is cleaner, cooler, less crowded, and friendlier than Phoenix.  It's also closer to good skiing, hiking, and camping and has better Mexican food (Cafe Poca Cosa & Casa Molina > anything Phoenix has to offer).  The only good thing that Phoenix has that Tucson lacks is an IMAX theater.
 
2013-03-15 11:24:45 AM

Teufelaffe: LadyBelgara: Well, I guess if 120 degree heat, old people and a raging hatred of brown people is your thing, you too would be confused as to why most people won't go anywhere near the state of Arizona, much less Phoenix.

The scary part is Phoenix is still better shiattier than Tucson.

Tucson is cleaner, cooler, less crowded, and friendlier than Phoenix.  It's also closer to good skiing, hiking, and camping and has better Mexican food (Cafe Poca Cosa & Casa Molina > anything Phoenix has to offer).  The only good thing that Phoenix has that Tucson lacks is an IMAX theater.


Not disagreeing with your sentiment, Tucson is >>>>> PHX, but Tucson traffic is awful with no east west freeway system, and the city government is extremely corrupt.  

Not to mention that trolley boondoggle.
 
2013-03-15 11:28:44 AM
I'm sorry but the both suck.
 
2013-03-15 11:30:18 AM

Teufelaffe: LadyBelgara: Well, I guess if 120 degree heat, old people and a raging hatred of brown people is your thing, you too would be confused as to why most people won't go anywhere near the state of Arizona, much less Phoenix.

The scary part is Phoenix is still better shiattier than Tucson.

Tucson is cleaner, cooler, less crowded, and friendlier than Phoenix.  It's also closer to good skiing, hiking, and camping and has better Mexican food (Cafe Poca Cosa & Casa Molina > anything Phoenix has to offer).  The only good thing that Phoenix has that Tucson lacks is an IMAX theater.


Closer to skiing?  Mount Lemon? That must be some good Meth.
 
2013-03-15 11:31:04 AM

vicioushobbit: Try growing up in Louisiana.

If the heavy wet heat doesn't get you, the swamp stank and bugs do.


We talking about the state or a friend of yours?
 
2013-03-15 11:32:52 AM
Pot, kettle.

Phoenix isn't a good place to live. I call it "Hell" for a reason and it's not just the heat.

But compared to LA, Phoenix is almost heaven.
 
2013-03-15 11:35:00 AM
I'm living in Phoenix so I'm really getting a kick out of these...

Okay, in all seriousness, I moved here about 15 years ago and couldn't wait to get out. Judging from that sentence you can see how successful I was. :)  When a sweet young thing bats her eyes at you and has strong family ties here, you can adjust your paradigm accordingly. ;)

Pretty much every place is a trade off.  Yes, summer sucks here, and pretty much everyone keeps a little money socked away to make sure the AC bill is paid and your AC unit is always working. I also miss green fields, forests, and plentiful rainfall. It's also very much a black hole for old people to get sucked into.

On the flip side, winters here are beautiful, or as a local put it we put up with about five months of sheer Hell to get seven months of pure Heaven.  The state really is beautiful with many scenic vistas and parks to explore (it's a hiker's dream). And the old people leave when it gets too hot in the summer, so it's not like they're a permanent problem.

Throw in great southwestern chow (if you like cumin and cilantro, we can feed you!) and I don't really regret staying around too much. Are there other places I'd rather be? Maybe, but this'll do fine for now.

/But always make sure that AC bill is paid up! :)
 
2013-03-15 11:35:39 AM
A Soviet sheriff, white supremacists, heat stroke, sun stroke, and charging fifty bucks for a burrito in the airport.
That is my impression of Phoenix.
 
2013-03-15 11:40:28 AM
Arizona -- the official white trash overflow state for California
 
2013-03-15 11:45:51 AM
Yeah we're jealous. You Arizonans need to to stay in Phoenix and never leave to ensure you keep hold of the *snicker* Promised Land.

The desert has been the considered the dwelling place of demons and madmen since ancient times.
 
2013-03-15 11:49:28 AM
LA is a shiathole...
 
2013-03-15 11:50:23 AM

wraithmare: I don't want to live in either place.  LA steals all it's water from up north so it's no paradise either. It at least has some culture to go along with it.  Phoenix is just going to get hotter and worse. Northern Arizona once you get up on the Rim is nicer, but you still gotta worry about the lack of rain.

/Born and raised in Phoenix
//Never moving back.


Preach it, fellow Farker.

/Born and raised down the road in Tucson
//Would prefer being torn apart by rabid weasels to moving back
 
2013-03-15 11:51:42 AM
Having just moved from LA (21 years, ughh) to Phoenix last March, I can say Phoenix is far superior in every way except weather and ocean access.  Drove to work this morning averaging 70 MPH today, awesome.
 
2013-03-15 11:55:13 AM
I once spoke to a guy who grew up in NYC.  He said it wasn't as bad as the media makes it out to be.  I asked him what his career is.  He said he is a tail gunner on a beer delivery truck
 
2013-03-15 11:58:01 AM

big_hed: Teufelaffe: LadyBelgara: Well, I guess if 120 degree heat, old people and a raging hatred of brown people is your thing, you too would be confused as to why most people won't go anywhere near the state of Arizona, much less Phoenix.

The scary part is Phoenix is still better shiattier than Tucson.

Tucson is cleaner, cooler, less crowded, and friendlier than Phoenix.  It's also closer to good skiing, hiking, and camping and has better Mexican food (Cafe Poca Cosa & Casa Molina > anything Phoenix has to offer).  The only good thing that Phoenix has that Tucson lacks is an IMAX theater.

Not disagreeing with your sentiment, Tucson is >>>>> PHX, but Tucson traffic is awful with no east west freeway system, and the city government is extremely corrupt.

Not to mention that trolley boondoggle.


Tucson is an absolute trainwreck of a city to live in.  Phoenix may be a soul-sucking hellhole, but jesus, at least you can get somewhere in it in a manner that doesn't involve spending an hour going from red light to red light, screaming at old people all the way.

It's fair to say I hate the entire southern part of the state; I just hate Tucson more because I was forced to grow up there.  The only part of Arizona I adore is Northern Arizona - specifically, Flagstaff.  I love that town to death (yes, go Jacks~), and I worry every summer that this is going to be the year everything goes up in flames.
 
2013-03-15 12:05:56 PM

tnpir: Well, try this: your top law enforcement official is a fascist and the average summer temperature is like 9000 degrees, plus the Cardinals suck.

And that's just to start.


I know right! the Cardinals are going to get whooped by the local pro football franchise in Los Angeles!

/not from AZ
 
2013-03-15 12:06:11 PM
LA is just angry because we keep sending our undocumented workers to them and it doesn't make sense because LA looooves undocumented workers.

I like both PHX and LA, but for daily living I prefer PHX weather, cost of living and traffic. East valley traffic is especially superior to LA traffic by orders of magnitude. Sorry LA!
 
2013-03-15 12:12:19 PM
The LA Times op-ed guy says Arizonans would fry with no power, but it's not like California can turn off our power or anything...
 
2013-03-15 12:25:19 PM
Tucson is better than Phoenix except for the roads. I have a problem with a road being called Speedway and the speed limit is 35 mph.

Oh and the smell as you're driving into Tucson... that's pretty gnarly.
 
2013-03-15 12:39:32 PM

pudding7: MyKingdomForYourHorse: In defense of Phoenix, the women there are excruciatingly better looking that much of the nation. I don't know what you guys do down there in Arizona, but damn you got some fine ass women.

I do have fond memories of my time at ASU. So fond...

I'll be in my bunk.


I prefer NAU girls but yah.
 
2013-03-15 12:41:59 PM

tnpir: Oldiron_79: The only desert city worth living in is Vegas.

I can't imagine actually living in Vegas. That entire city is basically one gigantic beatdown 24 hours a days. Great place to visit, would NEVER live there.

But, if a Vegas farker can give a positive perspective on what it's like actually living in Vegas, I'd be interested in hearing it.


Well, it depends on if you are the exploiter or the exploited.

Just kidding, it's a completely miserable place to live.
 
2013-03-15 12:47:49 PM
I live in Los Angeles and truly have no idea why fools don't live near work/work near home.  My wife & I have NEVER commuted more than 10-20 minutes & always lived close to the subway-Metro-chingaderra-thingy.  My neighborhood has tons of places I walk to: 10+ bars, 2 movie theaters, 30+ food joints, 3 grocery stores, shopping out the yinyang, and amazing parks.
 
2013-03-15 12:48:36 PM
I've lived in both and LA isn't nearly as hot nor the general population quite as reactionary, hide-bound and intolerant.

/It would take a lot of money to get me back to either.
 
2013-03-15 12:50:34 PM
"I think jealousy is sort of an ugly thing," said Phoenician Joe Zemaitis when asked about the op-ed piece.

realhistoryww.com
 
2013-03-15 12:57:46 PM
Judging by their Law enforcement they both seem like terrible places to live.
 
2013-03-15 01:00:42 PM
It's not necessarily a bad thing. The less Los Angelesians in your town, the better.
 
2013-03-15 01:04:19 PM

walkerhound: vicioushobbit: Try growing up in Louisiana.

If the heavy wet heat doesn't get you, the swamp stank and bugs do.

We talking about the state or a friend of yours?


It describes both.
 
2013-03-15 01:06:01 PM

Ned Stark: ThatGuyGreg: First clue: you're in Arizona.

Yeah, but at least they aren't in LA.


There are some really really farking nice parts of LA.  And some really shiatty parts too.  Phoenix on the other hand ... does it really have any places nearly as nice as the nice parts of LA?  But it sure has the shiatty parts down.
 
2013-03-15 01:08:30 PM

CoonAce: I live in Los Angeles and truly have no idea why fools don't live near work/work near home.  My wife & I have NEVER commuted more than 10-20 minutes & always lived close to the subway-Metro-chingaderra-thingy.  My neighborhood has tons of places I walk to: 10+ bars, 2 movie theaters, 30+ food joints, 3 grocery stores, shopping out the yinyang, and amazing parks.


Because they want to live somewhere nice, near the ocean like Santa Monica, but the economy in Santa Monica (or Marina Del Rey) is tiny compared to downtown, so they have to commute.
 
2013-03-15 01:15:15 PM
Grew up in Southern California until my mid 20's. I've lived outside of Atlanta, Maryland and now reside about 25min east of Phoenix...

Is Phoenix a shiathole? Sure, but go 20-30 min in either direction and your golden. I'll take a 3,500 sq/ft house for 225k in a lush community filled with grassy parks over living in a 800 aq/ft craphole in LA.

The wife and I still have a lot of friends in OC but when we visit I realize why I would never go back.
 
2013-03-15 01:21:13 PM
So LA thinks it has water now? LOL
 
2013-03-15 01:22:00 PM

LadyBelgara: Well, I guess if 120 degree heat, old people and a raging hatred of brown people is your thing, you too would be confused as to why most people won't go anywhere near the state of Arizona, much less Phoenix.

The scary part is Phoenix is still better than Tucson.


Have you even lived in Phoenix? I lived there for only two years and in my experience, there was no "raging hatred of brown people." Whites and browns lived together relatively well. Aside from the horrible traffic and the 100+ temps nine months out of the year, it wasn't a bad place to live at all.
 
2013-03-15 01:23:07 PM
There is also, of course, the problem of water. In dystopian portraits of Phoenix's unsustainable future, water - or rather the lack of it - is usually painted as the agent of collapse. Indeed, the metropolitan area, a jumble of jurisdictions that includes Scottsdale, Glendale, Tempe, Mesa, Sun City, Chandler and 15 other municipalities, has tapped groundwater supplies at unsustainable rates.
All along, everyone knew that couldn't last, so in the early 1990s, a new bonanza called the Central Arizona Project (CAP) was brought on line - a river-sized, open-air canal supported by an elaborate array of pumps, siphons and tunnels to bring Colorado River water to Phoenix and Tucson.



I'm sorry, what were you saying LA?
static.ddmcdn.com
 
2013-03-15 01:23:33 PM

Ned Stark: ThatGuyGreg: First clue: you're in Arizona.

Yeah, but at least they aren't in LA.


Children, children! Please! There's no need to fight.

LA and Phoenix are both horrible cesspools scum and villainy.
 
2013-03-15 01:26:50 PM

spiderpaz: Ned Stark: ThatGuyGreg: First clue: you're in Arizona.

Yeah, but at least they aren't in LA.

There are some really really farking nice parts of LA.  And some really shiatty parts too.  Phoenix on the other hand ... does it really have any places nearly as nice as the nice parts of LA?  But it sure has the shiatty parts down.


Unless your pulling in $200k+ a year you aren't living anywhere near a "nice" part of LA. If you head down to OC, Irvine, Lake Forrest, etc, then it gets a little bit more reasonable but your still going to need to pull in six figures to have a decent home and quality of life.

Then again most farkers are happy with some Ramen Noodles and a Netflix account so what each individual considers a good quality of life will vary.
 
2013-03-15 01:37:31 PM

SouthParkCon: spiderpaz: Ned Stark: ThatGuyGreg: First clue: you're in Arizona.

Yeah, but at least they aren't in LA.

There are some really really farking nice parts of LA.  And some really shiatty parts too.  Phoenix on the other hand ... does it really have any places nearly as nice as the nice parts of LA?  But it sure has the shiatty parts down.

Unless your pulling in $200k+ a year you aren't living anywhere near a "nice" part of LA. If you head down to OC, Irvine, Lake Forrest, etc, then it gets a little bit more reasonable but your still going to need to pull in six figures to have a decent home and quality of life.

Then again most farkers are happy with some Ramen Noodles and a Netflix account so what each individual considers a good quality of life will vary.


Thing is, the ramen in l.a. is farking spectacular.

Pointing out that phoenix has no water source while living in l.a. take balls or idiocy.
 
2013-03-15 01:37:42 PM
ITT:  People from Buttfark-Middle-of-Nowhere telling everybody that Los Angeles and Phoenix are both horrible places to live.
 
2013-03-15 01:40:07 PM

Chastain86: ITT:  People from Buttfark-Middle-of-Nowhere who've lived in either or both places and moved away for a farking reason telling everybody that Los Angeles and Phoenix are both horrible places to live.


FTFY
 
2013-03-15 01:40:18 PM

SouthParkCon: spiderpaz: Ned Stark: ThatGuyGreg: First clue: you're in Arizona.

Yeah, but at least they aren't in LA.

There are some really really farking nice parts of LA.  And some really shiatty parts too.  Phoenix on the other hand ... does it really have any places nearly as nice as the nice parts of LA?  But it sure has the shiatty parts down.

Unless your pulling in $200k+ a year you aren't living anywhere near a "nice" part of LA. If you head down to OC, Irvine, Lake Forrest, etc, then it gets a little bit more reasonable but your still going to need to pull in six figures to have a decent home and quality of life.

Then again most farkers are happy with some Ramen Noodles and a Netflix account so what each individual considers a good quality of life will vary.


Know how i know you have no farking idea what you're talking about? Traffic sucks, transit sucks.  But this isn't even a competition.  World class city with world class entertainment, restaurants and museums.  The "nice" parts of phoenix look like the shopping malls all merged into one giant stucko piece of shiat.
 
2013-03-15 01:41:57 PM
Also, Dodgers, Clippers, Lakers and Kings > D-bags, coyotes, suns, and cardinals by 1000.
 
2013-03-15 01:42:04 PM
Watching LA and PHX have a slapfight is like watching a couple of baseball players go at it: mildly humorous at first but then you just start to feel bad for the total ineptitude. They're both cities in the middle of the desert (LA's just had more time to cover up the sand) and neither really has any reason to exist. If one wants to say the other is a worse place to live that's fine... but winning the argument still puts you in the bottom 10%.
 
TWX
2013-03-15 01:50:25 PM

Foundling: A Soviet sheriff, white supremacists, heat stroke, sun stroke, and charging fifty bucks for a burrito in the airport.
That is my impression of Phoenix.


Arpaio lives in Fountain Hills actually.  And unless he's on one of his kicks going after businesses that brown people work at, you're very unlikely to interact with the sheriff's office if you're in incorporated city limits.  Technically he does have jurisdiction, but every city or town except El Mirage either have their own police or have contracted an adjoining city to handle it (like Guadalupe using Tempe's police, Paradise Valley using Phoenix PD) so they don't tend to get involved in town.

The white supremacists are more of a problem in the poor neighborhoods and the outskirts of the city.  Yes, that means driving through their neighborhoods when going to the Renaissance Festival, but they can generally be avoided otherwise.

Heatstroke can be mitigated by drinking water and knowing when to go inside.

Sunstroke is solved by a technological innovation known as a hat.

And don't eat at the airport unless you're stuck for a layover.  If you want a good burrito, go to Señor Taco out at Power Road and McKellips.  If you want good Tex-Mex, go to Macayo's.

/lives in Tempe
//has an air conditioned garage
///likes watching snowbirds that were too slow to leave spontaneously combust
 
2013-03-15 01:51:39 PM

JayCab: Watching LA and PHX have a slapfight is like watching a couple of baseball players go at it: mildly humorous at first but then you just start to feel bad for the total ineptitude. They're both cities in the middle of the desert (LA's just had more time to cover up the sand) and neither really has any reason to exist. If one wants to say the other is a worse place to live that's fine... but winning the argument still puts you in the bottom 10%.


i realize that being from san francisco makes you superior to all, but among other industries l.a. has a rather gigantic port where all the chinese crap american's buy hits the ground and all the steel we recycle gets shipped back.
latimesblogs.latimes.com
 
2013-03-15 01:51:41 PM
i pay $700 a month for an almost 1,000 square foot apartment with a fabulous view.  i love when LA people come to visit and get all pissy.
 
2013-03-15 01:56:20 PM

TWX: If you want good Tex-Mex, go to Macayo's.


I amend my earlier statement about the Mexican food in Phoenix.  I would strangle a busload of nuns for some of Macayo's Baja Sauce.
 
2013-03-15 01:59:24 PM
They both suck, in different ways
 
2013-03-15 01:59:36 PM

chairmenmeow47: i pay $700 a month for an almost 1,000 square foot apartment with a fabulous view.  i love when LA people come to visit and get all pissy.


yeah, but do you have your own theme song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b5LzCOc98E
 
2013-03-15 02:03:17 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: "In Phoenix the convergence of heat, drought and violent winds is creating an ever-more-worrisome situation."

Not here it's not.  Sounds like someone is looking for page hits...or trying to discourage people from leaving LA (and California) in droves.


Article is written by an Arizonian 5th columnist working for people already living in Arizona who don't want California fruits and nuts invading any more than they already are.

Arizona is Teh Doom! Stay away if you value your sanity and life!!! Seriously!!
 
TWX
2013-03-15 02:04:56 PM

Teufelaffe: TWX: If you want good Tex-Mex, go to Macayo's.

I amend my earlier statement about the Mexican food in Phoenix.  I would strangle a busload of nuns for some of Macayo's Baja Sauce.


That was an awesome mental picture!
 
2013-03-15 02:05:30 PM

JayCab: Watching LA and PHX have a slapfight is like watching a couple of baseball players go at it: mildly humorous at first but then you just start to feel bad for the total ineptitude. They're both cities in the middle of the desert (LA's just had more time to cover up the sand) and neither really has any reason to exist. If one wants to say the other is a worse place to live that's fine... but winning the argument still puts you in the bottom 10%.


The strangest part is that Phoenix in 2008 looked a whole lot like LA did in the mid-50's, only with more strip malls. For all that everyone there seems to hate LA, the city is hellbent on becoming the next LA and repeating all the same mistakes that'll catch up in a few decades, only with minimal foreign culture mix to change up the strip mall fever. They hate each other because they're too similar.

They're even becoming a porn capital, just like the Valley.
 
2013-03-15 02:15:21 PM

GhettoWinter: chairmenmeow47: i pay $700 a month for an almost 1,000 square foot apartment with a fabulous view.  i love when LA people come to visit and get all pissy.

yeah, but do you have your own theme song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b5LzCOc98E


i wrote a mario rap, does that count?

http://ivy.aholic.us/gallery/v/ivy/mc_schizzle__amp__lakitu_-_times_ al most_up__dirty_pipes_mix__mpeg.MP3.html
 
2013-03-15 02:21:19 PM
Phoenix is just way too f*cking hot, Tucson is too damn hot also but it is a nice town. If you get outside of those two metropolises there are some really nice places in southeast, eastern, and northern Arizona. LA sucks because traffic and it's full of Californians.
 
2013-03-15 02:21:47 PM

foxyshadis: JayCab: Watching LA and PHX have a slapfight is like watching a couple of baseball players go at it: mildly humorous at first but then you just start to feel bad for the total ineptitude. They're both cities in the middle of the desert (LA's just had more time to cover up the sand) and neither really has any reason to exist. If one wants to say the other is a worse place to live that's fine... but winning the argument still puts you in the bottom 10%.

The strangest part is that Phoenix in 2008 looked a whole lot like LA did in the mid-50's, only with more strip malls. For all that everyone there seems to hate LA, the city is hellbent on becoming the next LA and repeating all the same mistakes that'll catch up in a few decades, only with minimal foreign culture mix to change up the strip mall fever. They hate each other because they're too similar.

They're even becoming a porn capital, just like the Valley.


You're pretty much right on. Phoenix is l.a. without the patina of use. All of l.a.'s strip malls have been through 3-4 cycles of use often by 3-4 different nationalities. Makes for a more complex stew than phx has acquired since it is younger.

Regarding hating each other, that's pretty much a one way street. When I lived in phx everyone hated on l.a. now living in l.a. I would say no one gives a second thought to phx unless the suns are in town.
 
2013-03-15 02:21:52 PM
When the sleeper awakens then you will all pay.
 
2013-03-15 02:40:34 PM

brimed03: In Phoenix' defense: LA traffic; botched Botox lips; and endless, vapid self-centeredness.


So... Scottsdale with more cars?
 
2013-03-15 02:59:49 PM

JayCab: Watching LA and PHX have a slapfight is like watching a couple of baseball players go at it: mildly humorous at first but then you just start to feel bad for the total ineptitude. They're both cities in the middle of the desert (LA's just had more time to cover up the sand) and neither really has any reason to exist. If one wants to say the other is a worse place to live that's fine... but winning the argument still puts you in the bottom 10%.


Argueing on the interet is like competing in the special olympics even if you win you are still retarded
 
2013-03-15 03:03:43 PM

johnny queso: foxyshadis: JayCab: Watching LA and PHX have a slapfight is like watching a couple of baseball players go at it: mildly humorous at first but then you just start to feel bad for the total ineptitude. They're both cities in the middle of the desert (LA's just had more time to cover up the sand) and neither really has any reason to exist. If one wants to say the other is a worse place to live that's fine... but winning the argument still puts you in the bottom 10%.

The strangest part is that Phoenix in 2008 looked a whole lot like LA did in the mid-50's, only with more strip malls. For all that everyone there seems to hate LA, the city is hellbent on becoming the next LA and repeating all the same mistakes that'll catch up in a few decades, only with minimal foreign culture mix to change up the strip mall fever. They hate each other because they're too similar.

They're even becoming a porn capital, just like the Valley.

You're pretty much right on. Phoenix is l.a. without the patina of use. All of l.a.'s strip malls have been through 3-4 cycles of use often by 3-4 different nationalities. Makes for a more complex stew than phx has acquired since it is younger.

Regarding hating each other, that's pretty much a one way street. When I lived in phx everyone hated on l.a. now living in l.a. I would say no one gives a second thought to phx unless the suns are in town.


I grew up in the bay area and now live in LA, and I would say the same attitude is seen between SF and LA. In SF, everyone loves to hate on LA, but when I move down south the only thing I heard about SF was "Oh SF? Nice city, love to visit."

LA is so much more laid back and diverse than SF or PHX. I'm not just talking race, but diversity in culture, politics, interests, and career. I've met so much more of an array of people in So Cal in ten years than I did in twenty in the Bay Area. Still like to visit SF though, but not used to the cold anymore, unfortunately.
 
2013-03-15 03:08:40 PM
I've lived in downtown Phoenix for ten years now.  I've wanted to move out of the state for the last five.  The downtown crowd is great.  It's what I would describe as 'intimate'.  The best way I've heard downtown described to me was by a Californian neighbor.  He said that when he lived in San Francisco, and that they had 15 or so cool neighborhoods, so no one had a reason to leave their area.  In Phoenix, we only have 3 or so cool areas to hang out, so the people tend to intermingle more.

 
That being said, the people of this state outside of the core area really suck.  Between the poor education system, the major nut case religion, and easily scapegoated 'other' class of people.Most of the state if full retard.Since I work in the burbs, I see it all the crazy each day.Truly, this place is suburban chain hell.But I love it when my friends who live in our urban bubble leave the informed core for the wastelands.They're somehow always surprised to learn that they still live in Arizona.
 
2013-03-15 03:15:53 PM

TotallyHeadless: johnny queso: foxyshadis: JayCab: Watching LA and PHX have a slapfight is like watching a couple of baseball players go at it: mildly humorous at first but then you just start to feel bad for the total ineptitude. They're both cities in the middle of the desert (LA's just had more time to cover up the sand) and neither really has any reason to exist. If one wants to say the other is a worse place to live that's fine... but winning the argument still puts you in the bottom 10%.

The strangest part is that Phoenix in 2008 looked a whole lot like LA did in the mid-50's, only with more strip malls. For all that everyone there seems to hate LA, the city is hellbent on becoming the next LA and repeating all the same mistakes that'll catch up in a few decades, only with minimal foreign culture mix to change up the strip mall fever. They hate each other because they're too similar.

They're even becoming a porn capital, just like the Valley.

You're pretty much right on. Phoenix is l.a. without the patina of use. All of l.a.'s strip malls have been through 3-4 cycles of use often by 3-4 different nationalities. Makes for a more complex stew than phx has acquired since it is younger.

Regarding hating each other, that's pretty much a one way street. When I lived in phx everyone hated on l.a. now living in l.a. I would say no one gives a second thought to phx unless the suns are in town.

I grew up in the bay area and now live in LA, and I would say the same attitude is seen between SF and LA. In SF, everyone loves to hate on LA, but when I move down south the only thing I heard about SF was "Oh SF? Nice city, love to visit."

LA is so much more laid back and diverse than SF or PHX. I'm not just talking race, but diversity in culture, politics, interests, and career. I've met so much more of an array of people in So Cal in ten years than I did in twenty in the Bay Area. Still like to visit SF though, but not used to the cold anymore, unfortunately.


Inevitable response:
Because l.a. people are all self absorbed.
*the californians*

l.a. gets a bad rap. It has its problems like anywhere, and there are a farkload of people, but I have no real complaints other than traffic. And if your desired career is to design and build modern houses it is pretty much the best place to be.
 
2013-03-15 04:15:14 PM

Oldiron_79: The only desert city worth living in is Vegas Tucson.


FTFY
 
2013-03-15 04:16:15 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: In defense of Phoenix, the women there are excruciatingly better looking that much of the nation. I don't know what you guys do down there in Arizona, but damn you got some fine ass women.


If by "women" you mean ASU undergrads who wear tiny shorts all year long.
 
2013-03-15 04:16:49 PM

TWX: If you want good Tex-Mex, go to Macayo's.


uhh........what?  that's like saying, "if you want good Italian, go to Olive Garden" or "if you want good seafood, go to Red Lobster."


chairmenmeow47: i pay $700 a month for an almost 1,000 square foot apartment with a fabulous view.  i love when LA people come to visit and get all pissy.


I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA.....

/no seriously, my church is across the street.
 
2013-03-15 04:19:11 PM
Having seen Phoenix only once, it struck me as being a 20-mile wide bowl of hot gravel. Window bars on every house. Spanish-speaking ability would be a must, in case someone yelled "Look out behind you!".
 
2013-03-15 04:24:56 PM
LadyBelgara:   The scary part is Phoenix is still better than Tucson.

You're just itching for a fight, aren't you?
 
2013-03-15 04:25:11 PM

TWX: Arpaio lives in Fountain Hills actually. And unless he's on one of his kicks going after businesses that brown people work at, you're very unlikely to interact with the sheriff's office if you're in incorporated city limits. Technically he does have jurisdiction, but every city or town except El Mirage either have their own police or have contracted an adjoining city to handle it (like Guadalupe using Tempe's police, Paradise Valley using Phoenix PD) so they don't tend to get involved in town.


I drive a taxi in Phoenix. The only place I ever see Arpaio's minions is in Guadalupe. And whenever I take someone to Tent City to do their time for a DUI.
 
2013-03-15 04:26:05 PM
LA has its downsides, but there are decent (and relatively affordable) places to live if you know where to look. And most of the people I knew when I lived there pretty much stuck to their own little pocket of town. A lot of people don't venture too far out of the "work - home - shopping" triangle. For some that triangle is large and they deal with shiatty traffic. For others, it's small and traffic is no biggie.

That said, SoCal is a great place with farked up politics and policies and WAY too many people.

And I'd rather live there than PHX any day of the week.
 
2013-03-15 04:33:43 PM
As a New Yorker, I always get a kick watching cities joust for 2nd best.

/trollface.jpg
 
TWX
2013-03-15 04:36:54 PM

rickythepenguin: TWX: If you want good Tex-Mex, go to Macayo's.

uhh........what?  that's like saying, "if you want good Italian, go to Olive Garden" or "if you want good seafood, go to Red Lobster."


You know that the original restaurant is still operating, and that it's still the company headquarters, don't you?

antidumbass: Having seen Phoenix only once, it struck me as being a 20-mile wide bowl of hot gravel. Window bars on every house. Spanish-speaking ability would be a must, in case someone yelled "Look out behind you!".


Knowing Spanish isn't very helpful. Maybe if you're driving around Scottsdale and need to be able to distinguish street names in McCormick Ranch, but most of the rest of the time I haven't found my piss-poor H.S. Spanish to be handy.

MacWizard: I drive a taxi in Phoenix. The only place I ever see Arpaio's minions is in Guadalupe. And whenever I take someone to Tent City to do their time for a DUI.


I'm not surprised. Guadalupe seems like an easy target, even though a lot of the population are several-generations American by birth. Very poor... Though the food at a particular Mexican restaurant in there was good, the one time I found the place.
 
2013-03-15 04:56:38 PM

TWX: rickythepenguin: TWX: If you want good Tex-Mex, go to Macayo's.

uhh........what?  that's like saying, "if you want good Italian, go to Olive Garden" or "if you want good seafood, go to Red Lobster."

You know that the original restaurant is still operating, and that it's still the company headquarters, don't you?

antidumbass: Having seen Phoenix only once, it struck me as being a 20-mile wide bowl of hot gravel. Window bars on every house. Spanish-speaking ability would be a must, in case someone yelled "Look out behind you!".

Knowing Spanish isn't very helpful. Maybe if you're driving around Scottsdale and need to be able to distinguish street names in McCormick Ranch, but most of the rest of the time I haven't found my piss-poor H.S. Spanish to be handy.

MacWizard: I drive a taxi in Phoenix. The only place I ever see Arpaio's minions is in Guadalupe. And whenever I take someone to Tent City to do their time for a DUI.

I'm not surprised. Guadalupe seems like an easy target, even though a lot of the population are several-generations American by birth. Very poor... Though the food at a particular Mexican restaurant in there was good, the one time I found the place.


I remember one of the first times I drove through Phoenix.  I didn't take a turn I needed to and ended up going through Guadalupe.  My friend looked around as we trundled through at the speed limit of 25mph and said, "How the hell did we end up in Mexico?"
 
2013-03-15 05:04:02 PM

TWX: You know that the original restaurant is still operating, and that it's still the company headquarters, don't you?


in fairness, macayo's isn't baaaaaaaaaaaad, there are just a ton of other places that are better.  maybe not the same ambience (carolina's near the ballpark, 7th and mojave i tink).  El Gallo Blanco (!), los dos molinos, secreto, barrio cafe.....hell i prefer manuel's and mama rosita's over macayo's.
 
2013-03-15 05:11:18 PM
"I think we have a hearty stock of people who are going to be creative with solar energy and figure out how to do better with our water and we'll be just fine thank you very much Los Angeles."

media.comicvine.com

/LA doesn't rely on an industry which depends on grass staying green (Golf)
//OMG I actually defended LA
///Sides with the "PHX is the next LA" camp
////SF Tops them all
 
2013-03-15 05:50:22 PM

Mrtraveler01: "I think we have a hearty stock of people who are going to be creative with solar energy and figure out how to do better with our water and we'll be just fine thank you very much Los Angeles."



/LA doesn't rely on an industry which depends on grass staying green (Golf)
//OMG I actually defended LA
///Sides with the "PHX is the next LA" camp
////SF Tops them all


LA actually uses more water than Phoenix, Vegas, and Denver COMBINED, they are only not having a crisis because they get the biggest cut of the water because the others didnt exist as we know them back in the 30s when the water split was made by FDR.
 
2013-03-15 06:28:17 PM

FizixJunkee: LadyBelgara:   The scary part is Phoenix is still better than Tucson.

You're just itching for a fight, aren't you?


No.  I grew up in Tucson.  Farking hate the place with a passion.  Phoenix was about our only quasi-decent escape.

It's also possible I like Phoenix more that Tucson because just about every time I was in Phoenix, it was because we were flying out of Sky Harbor and it meant I got to leave.
 
2013-03-15 06:37:52 PM
Seems like both places kinda suck. Phoenix kinda sucks because it's in Arizona. Which is basically like a mostly desert version of Texas. And LA sucks because (pick one): traffic, crime, cost, and as others have pointed out, LA has a water problem too. In fact, all of southern California is gonna have a water problem, if they don't already have one.

Note: have never been to either place. I'm sure they have some things that are nice. Southern CA weather seems to be mostly pleasant.
 
2013-03-15 06:43:14 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Seems like both places kinda suck. Phoenix kinda sucks because it's in Arizona. Which is basically like a mostly desert version of Texas.


That's only the southern half of Arizona.

www.fs.usda.gov
 
TWX
2013-03-15 07:02:31 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: I remember one of the first times I drove through Phoenix.  I didn't take a turn I needed to and ended up going through Guadalupe.  My friend looked around as we trundled through at the speed limit of 25mph and said, "How the hell did we end up in Mexico?"


Yeah, we've all had that experience. It doesn't look so good in there around 6pm when it's getting dusk in the winter and one is trying to find Fry's Electronics.

They have fixed the curbs along Avienda del Yaqui though, and the road isn't as bad as it used to be. I still wouldn't want to go through there on-foot at night, but I don't feel like my life is in danger if I drive through.


rickythepenguin: in fairness, macayo's isn't baaaaaaaaaaaad, there are just a ton of other places that are better.  maybe not the same ambience (carolina's near the ballpark, 7th and mojave i tink).  El Gallo Blanco (!), los dos molinos, secreto, barrio cafe.....hell i prefer manuel's and mama rosita's over macayo's.


I grew up eating at Macayo's. I think the first time I ate there was about 1985, so I admit that I'm biased. It's just that their taco shells are amazingly thin and the shredded beef is always perfectly cooked...

Never ate at Rositas, which is funny 'cause I used to live across Hardy from the Tempe location.

If you want an interesting Mexican Food experience, go to "Via Delosantos" up on north Central in Sunnyslope. Parking is a biatch, but the food is good, and the tequila selection is excellent.
 
2013-03-15 08:44:58 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: "In Phoenix the convergence of heat, drought and violent winds is creating an ever-more-worrisome situation."

Not here it's not.  Sounds like someone is looking for page hits...or trying to discourage people from leaving LA (and California) in droves.


Whatever makes you feel better.
 
2013-03-15 08:47:36 PM

natas6.0: there are other reasons..but I'm bored


read: I'm just talking out of my ass
 
2013-03-15 10:26:29 PM
Both suck as places to live.  Arizona is nothing but hot, dry death.  Just last week I was looking online at houses around Tempe since a recruiter had made me aware of a good opportunity there.  I ended up declining after I realized what the area was like.  Based on cost of living comparison I would have lost 3k/year.  I initially looked at it as chance to buy the rural home I have always dreamed of but every rural house there was on an empty sand lot.  Havent Arizonans heard of trees or grass? Even worse, many of the larger lots had manufactured houses on them.

LA is no better. Its a giant, grotesquely overcrowded, polluted, crime ridden cyst on the pus infected anus of humanity.
 
2013-03-15 11:18:48 PM

Ima4nic8or:  Havent Arizonans heard of trees or grass?


You mean that stuff that's not native and requires a huge amount of water to maintain in the desert?
 
2013-03-16 12:41:54 AM

GhettoWinter: SouthParkCon: spiderpaz: Ned Stark: ThatGuyGreg: First clue: you're in Arizona.

Yeah, but at least they aren't in LA.

There are some really really farking nice parts of LA.  And some really shiatty parts too.  Phoenix on the other hand ... does it really have any places nearly as nice as the nice parts of LA?  But it sure has the shiatty parts down.

Unless your pulling in $200k+ a year you aren't living anywhere near a "nice" part of LA. If you head down to OC, Irvine, Lake Forrest, etc, then it gets a little bit more reasonable but your still going to need to pull in six figures to have a decent home and quality of life.

Then again most farkers are happy with some Ramen Noodles and a Netflix account so what each individual considers a good quality of life will vary.

Know how i know you have no farking idea what you're talking about? Traffic sucks, transit sucks.  But this isn't even a competition.  World class city with world class entertainment, restaurants and museums.  The "nice" parts of phoenix look like the shopping malls all merged into one giant stucko piece of shiat.


Considering I was born and raised in Diamond Bar and moved around inside of LA and OC until my mid-late 20's I actually have quite a bit of knowledge about it. Getting away from pretentious arseholes like you is a bonus. I'd take DC over LA any day of the week and the Phoenix suburbs over DC by a mile.
 
2013-03-16 01:05:30 AM
I left LA for a West Phoenix suburb ten years ago and never ever looked back.
 
2013-03-16 02:42:59 AM
TotallyHeadless:  I grew up in the bay area and now live in LA, and I would say the same attitude is seen between SF and LA. In SF, everyone loves to hate on LA, but when I move down south the only thing I heard about SF was "Oh SF? Nice city, love to visit."


This.  The point is no one in LA gives 2 shiats about Phoenix, unless they have some connection to Phoenix.  Just like most people in LA really don't care about any other city with the exception of NYC.

And I'm not saying Phoenix isn't a nice town.
 
2013-03-16 03:36:20 AM
L.A. is just a couple of decades from turning into Tijuana, but it will always have amazing weather.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/24/local/la-me-06-23-southeast- co rruption-20120624
 
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