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2013-03-15 01:31:33 AM  
This is a tough call between "atta boy" and "fark you, you were totally fine on denying peoples' rights that in no way affected you until it hit home."  I'm going to say atta boy though, because this will probably hurt his election chances in his home district and he will actually influence others for the better
 
2013-03-15 01:36:30 AM  

SnakeLee: This is a tough call between "atta boy" and "fark you, you were totally fine on denying peoples' rights that in no way affected you until it hit home."  I'm going to say atta boy though, because this will probably hurt his election chances in his home district and he will actually influence others for the better


The real credit goes to the son for coming out to his bigoted father, rather that moving to Seattle and having a "roommate" for a really long time. Coming out is the best way to make someone rethink their position on gays.
 
2013-03-15 04:06:27 AM  
I'll say it again ... it doesn't really matter why a person comes to the truth ... what matters is that they do come to the truth.

The fact that they did is much more important then the why.
 
2013-03-15 05:49:25 AM  
I cannot tell you how much I'd love to read this story involving the Santorum family.
 
2013-03-15 06:07:39 AM  
Soon to be former Sen. Rob Portman. The Republican party in no way tolerant.
 
2013-03-15 06:16:21 AM  
I think a lot of Republicans are developing a wide stance on the issue.
 
2013-03-15 06:18:50 AM  

Philbb: I'll say it again ... it doesn't really matter why a person comes to the truth ... what matters is that they do come to the truth.

The fact that they did is much more important then the why.


It is important and good for the cause maybe, it doesn't excuse what they have done.

Say Nambla popped up donating tons of money to sex victim funds for example, that is all well and good but it doesn't mean we should all start supporting them.
 
2013-03-15 06:19:50 AM  

Demetrius: I think a lot of Republicans are developing a wide stance on the issue.


If nothing else I think a lot of them realize public opinion is shifting and it is extremely likelly they will be on the losing side of this.  Its better politically speaking to be neutral and not get real involved then to go radical either way.
 
2013-03-15 06:23:40 AM  

Philbb: I'll say it again ... it doesn't really matter why a person comes to the truth ... what matters is that they do come to the truth.

The fact that they did is much more important then the why.


Yes, yes, it does matter. The way someone comes to an opinion tells you more about the person and potential future changes in opinion.
What doesn't matter is this guys opinion, then and now.
 
2013-03-15 06:30:53 AM  
Gee, thanks, you selfish asshole. It's not good enough when it's other people's children, but it's okay when it comes to one of your own. Eat a bag of dicks, you piece of shiat.
 
2013-03-15 06:38:54 AM  
Once again we see that Republicans can only feel empathy when an issue directly affects their family and not just strangers.
 
2013-03-15 06:44:16 AM  
Now let's see what you do.

/My co-worker's partner passed away and was denied spousal grieving because his relationship was never legally recognized.
 
2013-03-15 06:47:09 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Gee, thanks, you selfish asshole. It's not good enough when it's other people's children, but it's okay when it comes to one of your own. Eat a bag of dicks, you piece of shiat.


Unfortunately, this is just how it is with conservatives. They're not very good at empathy. There's something about the conservative mindset that makes it hard for them to deal with abstraction and things that aren't binary, black-and-white, yes/no issues. Trying to put yourself in someone else's shoes just tends to be beyond their skill set. A rational person can handle that level of abstraction. "If I were poor, I'd probably appreciate a little assistance." The conservative can't understand why you'd be poor in the first place. "If I were gay, it would be nice to have the same right to marry as straight people." Again, the typical conservative can't handle that idea. Why would you want to be gay?

As a result, the only time they can radically shift their viewpoint is when they're personally affected by an issue. Years ago, that piece of shiat warhawk Paul Harvey beat the Vietnam war drum so hard his arm nearly fell off...until his own son got the draft notice, and then he did a 180.
 
2013-03-15 06:48:27 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Once again we see that Republicans can only feel empathy when an issue directly affects their family and not just strangers.


Is that really empathy?
 
2013-03-15 06:51:34 AM  
Typical conservative. They seem wholly unable to have empathy on an issue until/unless it directly affects them.

My aunt was the same way. She had the attitude of "fark the gays" until one of her own kids came out. Now, suddenly, she's militant on gay rights. Yet, she's still a conservative asshole on almost everything else.
 
2013-03-15 06:58:47 AM  

eiger: Typical conservative. They seem wholly unable to have empathy on an issue until/unless it directly affects them.

My aunt was the same way. She had the attitude of "fark the gays" until one of her own kids came out. Now, suddenly, she's militant on gay rights. Yet, she's still a conservative asshole on almost everything else.


Expecting differently is a waste of time and energy.  What matters is that there is one less voice of intolerance and bigotry on this issue.  That is a good thing.
 
2013-03-15 06:59:51 AM  

SnakeLee: This is a tough call between "atta boy" and "fark you, you were totally fine on denying peoples' rights that in no way affected you until it hit home."


But you got to remember that to a lot of people things like gay marriage and abortion are abstract. Their opinions on them are  based on knee jerk reactions. They simply never sit down and think about those things until it touches their lives in some way. and for most people that usually means having a gay family member.

It's those sick farkers who would turn their back on their own child that I save my rage for. all the others I just mock.
 
2013-03-15 07:03:12 AM  
I was kind of supportive of him doing this until I watched the video.  What a pandering asshole.

I'd bet my lunch money this happened like this:

Rob's Son: "Mom & Dad, I totes crave the cawk"
Rob: "You are dead to us GTFO"
Rob's Son: "I hate you and I am going public!"
Rob's political advisers  "You need to head this shiat off Rob or it will be a scandal, lets sit you down and let you come out in favor of gay marriage, but in a way that you are constantly talking about how tough it was for you and how you needed to consult with the man upstairs and struggle a touch with you religion.  This is happening either way, we might as well try to make it so your base can stomach it a little bit"
Rob: "sounds good, lets do this shiat."
 
2013-03-15 07:06:09 AM  

Bontesla: Now let's see what you do.

/My co-worker's partner passed away and was denied spousal grieving because his relationship was never legally recognized.


Exactly. Actions speak louder than words, Senator. Get to work.
 
2013-03-15 07:09:12 AM  
Kinda hard to demonize "the Other" when "the Other" is one of your own, isn't it Senator?

Still, giving him better props thatn I would Alan Keyes, who's own daughter came out and the nasty little butthole immediately disowned and renounced her.
 
2013-03-15 07:11:02 AM  
Hypocrites will burn in hell. His religion/morality* didn't change the day his son came out, simply his view of them did. He's either a charlatan that couldn't maintain his beliefs in adversity or he was a sociopath that had no regard for others in the same position. fark him.

*Or whatever he would blame his bigotry on
 
2013-03-15 07:13:24 AM  

Shotgun Justice: Hypocrites will burn in hell. His religion/morality* didn't change the day his son came out, simply his view of them did. He's either a charlatan that couldn't maintain his beliefs in adversity or he was a sociopath that had no regard for others in the same position. fark him.

*Or whatever he would blame his bigotry on


Thanks you said that in a very intelligent, logical way that has nothing to do with the issue.

//+1 smartest
 
2013-03-15 07:16:03 AM  
He's a wonderful person, just like Dick Cheney.
 
2013-03-15 07:18:29 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Gee, thanks, you selfish asshole. It's not good enough when it's other people's children, but it's okay when it comes to one of your own. Eat a bag of dicks, you piece of shiat.

 
2013-03-15 07:21:31 AM  

SnakeLee: This is a tough call between "atta boy" and "fark you, you were totally fine on denying peoples' rights that in no way affected you until it hit home."  I'm going to say atta boy though, because this will probably hurt his election chances in his home district and he will actually influence others for the better


If I'm to understand you correctly the only reason you "support" this is because you think it will hurt his reelection chances thus getting a Democrat in office? If that's the case...

Stand over there with the bigots, because that's where you belong with that sort of mind set.

SirVagTheTighty: It is important and good for the cause maybe, it doesn't excuse what they have done.

Say Nambla popped up donating tons of money to sex victim funds for example, that is all well and good but it doesn't mean we should all start supporting them.


Comparing the Republicans to NAMBLA? You can more than just stand over there with the bigots, the bigots are better human beings than you are. The other day we had a thread about a woman who put homosexual behavior on the same level as slavery. Why don't you go hang out with her if you're just going to behave like the left wing equivalent?

Wyalt Derp: Once again we see that Republicans can only feel empathy when an issue directly affects their family and not just strangers.


Be a dear and go look up the recent passage of the Anti-Gay Marriage amendment in North Carolina. It passed during the NC primary during the election last year. You should closely examine the number of people who voted under each party. Get back to me when you figure out there's no way in ever living hell that passed without a huge amount of support from Democrat voters. Similarly you should start trying to figure out how an anti-gay law passed in California without a hell of a lot of Democrats helping it along. Whining about the Mormons doesn't explain it away either.

Incidentally where the hell were the liberals? The words 'token resistance' come to mind when I think back to the campaign against that stupid law. I don't care if you knew it was fruitless, get the fark out there anyway.

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Unfortunately, this is just how it is with conservatives. They're not very good at empathy.

eiger: Typical conservative. They seem wholly unable to have empathy on an issue until/unless it directly affects them.


The laundry list of things, some of them demonstrated in this thread and quoted by me, that I could say liberals do that demonstrate a lack of empathy or the inability to understand how others think or feel would take me the better part of a month to type out. People are flawed, sometimes deeply, or sometimes just in a particular way. You two are demonstrating a fine arse example by just assigning negative qualities to whole groups of people so you can feel better about hating them for daring to disagree with you on political issues. There are a lot more Republicans than you think that support gay rights and there are lot less Democrats than you want to believe who don't.
 
2013-03-15 07:25:24 AM  

Close2TheEdge: What matters is that there is one less voice of intolerance and bigotry on this issue. That is a good thing.


It won't last long.  Republicans will replace him with another clueless bigot, and Portman will fade into obscurity.
 
2013-03-15 07:26:31 AM  
This is an issue the Republicans could have gotten in front of a decade ago, and said "We support smaller government and equality, including what happens in the bedroom."  And they might not be dead to the vast majority of people under 40.  Then again, they could have done the same for the War on Drugs.  Opportunities have been squandered, and the base is facing the chronological cliff.
 
2013-03-15 07:27:22 AM  

randomjsa: There are a lot more Republicans than you think that support gay rights and there are lot less Democrats than you want to believe who don't.


See Ohio Ninth. Hypocrites. All of them.
 
2013-03-15 07:30:11 AM  

SnakeLee: This is a tough call between "atta boy" and "fark you, you were totally fine on denying peoples' rights that in no way affected you until it hit home."  I'm going to say atta boy though, because this will probably hurt his election chances in his home district and he will actually influence others for the better


Well, he's a Senator, so the only way he loses his seat is if a second Democrat as powerful as Sherrod Brown emerges to challenge him. Probably the only one that will have that sort of power is Kucinich, and I don't know if he's interested.
 
2013-03-15 07:30:24 AM  
There are a lot more Republicans than you think that support gay rights and there are lot less Democrats than you want to believe who don't.

And yet, these same Republicans are willing to stand by, keep their mouth shut, and do nothing while their OWN PARTY tries to pass legislation counter to their beliefs.  Either they are lying, or are spineless.  You decide which it is.
 
2013-03-15 07:30:51 AM  
He's done.
 
2013-03-15 07:35:48 AM  

log_jammin: SnakeLee: This is a tough call between "atta boy" and "fark you, you were totally fine on denying peoples' rights that in no way affected you until it hit home."

But you got to remember that to a lot of people things like gay marriage and abortion are abstract. Their opinions on them are  based on knee jerk reactions. They simply never sit down and think about those things until it touches their lives in some way. and for most people that usually means having a gay family member.

It's those sick farkers who would turn their back on their own child that I save my rage for. all the others I just mock.


You'll be surprised just how many anti-abortion women have had abortions themselves.  Most of them are right back to picketing the next day, saying things like, "The only moral abortion is my abortion".
 
2013-03-15 07:36:51 AM  
What are you doing Mr. Senator?! How dare you let empathy and understanding get in the way of blind legislation and intolerant hate?!

/Christian
//All about marriage equality
///We're not all hate-filled arse clowns
 
2013-03-15 07:37:17 AM  
Portman changes his position after his son comes out and he's a calculating hypocritical bastard.

Obama changes his position after years of weasel words and he's a hero.
 
2013-03-15 07:38:07 AM  
Count me amongst the "not very impressed" crowd. Sure, it's great he had his Road to Damascus moment, but it also underscores what a selfish twit he is. He had no problem oppressing you as long as he didn't actually know you.Once that changed, so did his opinion. Hopefully there's more of a lesson here for him than just learning to accept homosexuality. Maybe he'll also learn some perspective.

All's well that ends well, I suppose, and welcome to the club of non-bigots, at any rate.
 
2013-03-15 07:41:23 AM  
This is also why abortion will never be illegal. They'll let them suppress it in a few of the hick states, just to make the goobers happy - but there will always be someplace in America that someone with money can get a safe, legal abortion.
Republican's daughters get pregnant, too.
 
2013-03-15 07:41:34 AM  

IlGreven: You'll be surprised just how many anti-abortion women have had abortions themselves. Most of them are right back to picketing the next day, saying things like, "The only moral abortion is my abortion".


I went to school with a girl who was always stirring shiat up. First she tried to get a teacher fired and a book banned(the chocolate war), then she tried to get the school to let her start some kind of anti-abortion club. she didn't get the club, but before highschool was over she did get an abortion.

we'll always have hypocrites, and we'll always have the ignorant. I just think there are more ignorant people than flat out hypocrites.
 
2013-03-15 07:42:48 AM  
So, to sum it up: "I hate the. . .oh, the extension of my ego that I don't view as a real person is one of them? Never mind."
 
2013-03-15 07:43:10 AM  

PreMortem: Soon to be former Sen. Rob Portman. The Republican party in no way tolerant.


He's in Oregon.

HotWingConspiracy: He's done.


It's Oregon.

Close2TheEdge: There are a lot more Republicans than you think that support gay rights and there are lot less Democrats than you want to believe who don't.

And yet, these same Republicans are willing to stand by, keep their mouth shut, and do nothing while their OWN PARTY tries to pass legislation counter to their beliefs.  Either they are lying, or are spineless.  You decide which it is.


This right here. Look up "Blue Dog Democrat" and you'll understand why gay marriage still isn't a central plank in the party platform.
 
2013-03-15 07:43:48 AM  

IlGreven: SnakeLee: This is a tough call between "atta boy" and "fark you, you were totally fine on denying peoples' rights that in no way affected you until it hit home."  I'm going to say atta boy though, because this will probably hurt his election chances in his home district and he will actually influence others for the better

Well, he's a Senator, so the only way he loses his seat is if a second Democrat as powerful as Sherrod Brown emerges to challenge him. Probably the only one that will have that sort of power is Kucinich, and I don't know if he's interested.


You're not thinking about primaries. The derp will be strong when he runs again.
 
2013-03-15 07:44:24 AM  

SnakeLee: This is a tough call between "atta boy" and "fark you, you were totally fine on denying peoples' rights that in no way affected you until it hit home."  I'm going to say atta boy though, because this will probably hurt his election chances in his home district and he will actually influence others for the better


He'll influence other republicans for the better?  How's he gonna do that - send his kid out to convince their children to come out of the closet?
 
2013-03-15 07:45:56 AM  
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the numerically literate republicans in congress are secretly hoping one of their kids comes out of the closet.

Any way you look at the numbers this issue has already been decided, and the GOP is on the wrong side. Unfortunately they have painted themselves into a corner. They can't just change their minds because their base will crucify them as much for cooperating with the Democrats as they would for supporting gay rights. Being able to say you're doing it for your family and how it was a very difficult issue to come to terms with at least gives them the cover of not having compromised with the libs.
 
2013-03-15 07:46:14 AM  

Gulper Eel: Portman changes his position after his son comes out and he's a calculating hypocritical bastard.

Obama changes his position after years of weasel words and he's a hero.


Well, that's why I try to confine myself to judging people's actions, rather than speculating as to their motives.
It's better to just chalk it up as one less person serving as a roadblock to progress. Just as with abortion, there are situations where "hypocritical" motives are beneficial to society.
 
2013-03-15 07:48:20 AM  
So the people that represent the GOP can only accept and understand an issue if they are personally involved in it in some way? Now THAT'S leadership!
 
2013-03-15 07:49:06 AM  
Perhaps, like Cheney , having a gay child will allow him to have a tiny sparkle of compassion in his otherwise black oily heart.
 
2013-03-15 07:49:33 AM  

verbaltoxin: PreMortem: Soon to be former Sen. Rob Portman. The Republican party in no way tolerant.

He's in Oregon.

HotWingConspiracy: He's done.

It's Oregon.

Close2TheEdge: There are a lot more Republicans than you think that support gay rights and there are lot less Democrats than you want to believe who don't.

And yet, these same Republicans are willing to stand by, keep their mouth shut, and do nothing while their OWN PARTY tries to pass legislation counter to their beliefs.  Either they are lying, or are spineless.  You decide which it is.

This right here. Look up "Blue Dog Democrat" and you'll understand why gay marriage still isn't a central plank in the party platform.


Oregon huh? I'm closer to the ocean than I thought.
 
2013-03-15 07:50:26 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Kinda hard to demonize "the Other" when "the Other" is one of your own, isn't it Senator?

Still, giving him better props thatn I would Alan Keyes, who's own daughter came out and the nasty little butthole immediately disowned and renounced her.


I dunno, at least Keyes is a consistent butthole.

I guess I'm also torn between "yay another voice for change" versus "oh look another pandering flip-flopper."
 
2013-03-15 07:52:25 AM  

Gulper Eel: Portman changes his position after his son comes out and he's a calculating hypocritical bastard.
Obama changes his position after years of weasel words and he's a hero.


Which is true- as long as we ignore the fact that Obama still got excoriated for it, until he started putting his policy where his mouth was.

Same deal with Portman; he can get his "atta boys" just as soon as he's taken practical steps to earn them.
 
2013-03-15 07:52:54 AM  
Good.
 
2013-03-15 07:53:45 AM  

PreMortem: Oregon huh? I'm closer to the ocean than I thought.


Dude, you're like swimming in it!
 
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