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(Chicago Trib)   Megachurch pastor tells 16-year old that having sex with him "is exactly what Christ desires". How convenient   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 17
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2013-03-15 12:45:27 AM  
4 votes:
When your desires and your god's desires line up perfectly, you need to start asking yourself some questions.
2013-03-15 06:38:01 AM  
3 votes:
Perfect situation for a Tool "Opiate" reference, and you farkers let me down yet again.

/Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow
//What you need is someone strong to guide you


///Like me.
2013-03-15 06:07:32 AM  
2 votes:
Religious people=mental illness
2013-03-15 03:13:43 AM  
2 votes:

namatad: not relevant


It kinda is, for the purposes of prosecution.  There are special laws in regards to people in positions of authority when it comes to those who are considered still under the legal age, but at or above the age of consent. Tennessee, for example, has an age of consent of 16, but a within-two-years clause attached to it. It's legal for an 18 year old and a 16 year old to fark, but a 19 year old can be charged with statutory rape for it.
2013-03-15 02:46:05 AM  
2 votes:

ox45tallboy: Okay, I'm not trying to defend a jackass that would take advantage of someone he is treating for emotional issues, or is otherwise in a position if authority over. He was very, very wrong to do this, and deserves to be punished.

But if I'm not mistaken, the age of consent in Indiana is 16.


It's very illegal to transport a minor over state lines or out of the country for sex.

/lawyer
2013-03-14 11:54:57 PM  
2 votes:
Shocking. That almost never happens.

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2013-03-15 12:55:12 PM  
1 votes:

airsupport: CeroX: See... they believe that asking for blanket forgiveness absolves them from all the sins, and since the clergy don't require them to list every douchebaggery thing they say and do, that as long as you: Ask for forgiveness, accept jesus in your heart, and give charity (read: money) to the church, you are now a "good person" who is destined for heaven...

What happens then is that they believe that no matter how they act, they are a good person and they take it upon themselves to convert others by pointing out how bad they are and then try and preach the same message of act like a douche, but ask for general forgiveness and "accept christ in your heart" and suddenly you can still act like a douche but become part of the club...

Those people are doing it wrong.


I grew up in a large southern baptist household and been all over the east side of the mississippi going to various churches... this pretty much sums up the baptist philosphy
2013-03-15 09:21:56 AM  
1 votes:
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2013-03-15 09:13:30 AM  
1 votes:

mcgreggers99: If more Christians practiced what they preached more people might actually believe what they were saying.


You understand why they don't right?

To a typical christian, they believe they were born sinners, that from the moment they were born satan has a claim on their soul and it took some profound moment of clarity, an epiphany, where many claim is the the lowest time in their lives, and jesus himself came down to them and lifted them up and forgave them for their sins...

Now, what this means is that they accept they are sinners, they were always sinners, and they always will be sinners... like an alcoholic who knows he has a problem and some kind person brought them into sobriety they know they are still an alcoholic. But that's ok, because they "accepted jesus in their hearts" and "believe in jesus" and they ask for forgiveness in a vague sense once in a while, by saying shiat like "dear heavenly father, i come to you this day and ask you bless me with your love and forgive me, a lowly sinner who has accepted you in his heart, any of the sins that this weak flesh may have committed..."

See... they believe that asking for blanket forgiveness absolves them from all the sins, and since the clergy don't require them to list every douchebaggery thing they say and do, that as long as you: Ask for forgiveness, accept jesus in your heart, and give charity (read: money) to the church, you are now a "good person" who is destined for heaven...

What happens then is that they believe that no matter how they act, they are a good person and they take it upon themselves to convert others by pointing out how bad they are and then try and preach the same message of act like a douche, but ask for general forgiveness and "accept christ in your heart" and suddenly you can still act like a douche but become part of the club...
2013-03-15 05:59:56 AM  
1 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Seems like a lot of people get into positions of religious authority for the sex.


And money, and power, and ego gratification, and... pretty much anything but serving God. Why do we kid ourselves? Religion isn't about God. Religion is about keeping priests fed and clothed. God is just window dressing to give the scam a little respectability.
2013-03-15 04:47:39 AM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: namatad: not relevant

It kinda is, for the purposes of prosecution.  There are special laws in regards to people in positions of authority when it comes to those who are considered still under the legal age, but at or above the age of consent. Tennessee, for example, has an age of consent of 16, but a within-two-years clause attached to it. It's legal for an 18 year old and a 16 year old to fark, but a 19 year old can be charged with statutory rape for it.


She can consent...but there could be issues with whether he is in an unusual position of authority relative to her. Some states, and some professions, have rules about whether a professional person can have intimate relations with someone who has come to him or her in their professional capacity, i.e. whether a doctor can have sex with a patient or a lawyer can have sex with a client. The theory is that someone in that position is in a unique situation and having sex with one's client is an abuse of trust and potentially borders on coercion or misuse of authority.

It's iffy enough when you're talking about two fully mature adults, but when it's a teenager and her pastor--I don't know. I mean, LEGALLY she could consent, but it's perilously close to abuse of authority. It would depend in large part on her level of maturity, and how upset her parents are about the whole issue.
2013-03-15 04:38:42 AM  
1 votes:
Seems like a lot of people get into positions of religious authority for the sex.
2013-03-15 04:34:59 AM  
1 votes:
that makes it seem absolutely NORMAL TO DO
WHICH IT ISNT

FOR INSTANCE, AIDS
2013-03-15 04:31:14 AM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: namatad: not relevant

It kinda is, for the purposes of prosecution.  There are special laws in regards to people in positions of authority when it comes to those who are considered still under the legal age, but at or above the age of consent. Tennessee, for example, has an age of consent of 16, but a within-two-years clause attached to it. It's legal for an 18 year old and a 16 year old to fark, but a 19 year old can be charged with statutory rape for it.


Indiana's is a blanket 16, with a two-year exemption for 14-and-15-year-olds.
2013-03-15 02:46:40 AM  
1 votes:

ox45tallboy: Okay, I'm not trying to defend a jackass that would take advantage of someone he is treating for emotional issues, or is otherwise in a position if authority over. He was very, very wrong to do this, and deserves to be punished.

But if I'm not mistaken, the age of consent in Indiana is 16.


I don't know about Indiana, but age of consent, especially for minors, doesn't usually apply to people in positions of authority, does it? For example, I highly doubt it's not against the law for a teacher in Indiana to sleep with a 16 year old student (or even a 18 year old student). Right? Wouldn't the same kind of thing apply to a pastor and his/her congregation? It's not the age thing, necessarily, so much as it is the abuse of the position of authority.

If it's not explicitly against the law, it's at the very least extremely unethical.
(which is something we both seem to agree upon)

/perhaps more legally minded folk could clarify?
2013-03-15 02:25:52 AM  
1 votes:
Okay, I'm not trying to defend a jackass that would take advantage of someone he is treating for emotional issues, or is otherwise in a position if authority over. He was very, very wrong to do this, and deserves to be punished.

But if I'm not mistaken, the age of consent in Indiana is 16.
2013-03-15 12:32:27 AM  
1 votes:

Godscrack: Shocking. That almost never happens.

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You might want to redo your shock graphic there so you don't get called out. The Mohler case was dismissed with prejudice because it was discovered there was absolutely no evidence to support the bizzare claims being made by the woman involved. In addition, it's believed that this case represents another example of the Ritual Abuse Panic that has been sweeping the nation since the late 1980s involving religious daycares and institutions. In addition, the stories told by the individuals which accused the Mohlers never matched up with any kind of evidence found by police.

The Mohler case demonstrates the dangers of moral panics combined with the idea that "recovered memories" are real.
 
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