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2013-03-15 02:05:55 AM
15 votes:
Doubtful.  Millennial precious snowflakes can't handle conflict and treat strong opinions as if they were hate crimes.  They cry their little eyes out, call you a bully and think that will shame you into being nice.  Go see how that strategy works against Big Oil or a Too-Big-To-Fail Bank.

The Boomers are fat and happy and are not going to change their ways.

Gen X will end up mucking it out in the trenches to make things work again.  Then the Millennials will take all the credit and pretend like it was their idea all along.
2013-03-15 04:03:55 AM
7 votes:
The great thing about talking about people on generational terms is that you don't have to cite sources or fact-check or do anything aside from pull opinions out of your ass.
2013-03-15 08:02:21 AM
6 votes:
Teacher here.

Boomers have made an absolute mess of everything (obviously).  I long ago accepted that my generation (X) wasn't going to be able to fix it.  Not because we don't want to, but because the generation before us has complete political control over everything and our generation is too small to wrest it away from them.

I've always viewed generation X as a hold-the-wall group.  We just need to help keep the overwhelming pile of shiat from the Boomers from collapsing on everyone else -- our hope is that this will allow subsequent generations to start making repairs -- until the Boomers start disappearing.

Unfortunately, there's some things that have got me very worried...

1) Millenials don't know how to create anything.  All they do is use shiat.  You guys were supposed be computer geniuses.  Instead, you're mostly just tech fanboys.  Please, be chemists that create new stuff, not pathetic drug addicts.  Note: I partly blame the Evil Apple Empire for this.

2)  You suck at multi-tasking.  Don't take it too hard, everyone sucks at multi-tasking.  The problem is you _think_ you're good at multi-tasking -- and, if I haven't made this clear enough -- you're not.  Stop doing it and focus on one thing.  Because you suck when you split your attention.

3)  Kinda as an addedum to part I, you didn't have anything to do with the rise of Internet (except maybe that you use stuff that other people created on the Internet).  Now, go out and create something

Having said that, I do think the younger generations are crazy smart, and they're way more politically aware than I'd ever expected.  I do have a measure of faith that if we keep the Great Boomer Poo Pile at bay for a while longer, perhaps the Millenials will start actually building stuff.  But, I'm worried ...
2013-03-15 12:22:25 AM
5 votes:
They've been saying that for 20 years. A fashion style isn't going to kill America. Hell, bell-bottoms didn't.
2013-03-15 04:19:00 AM
4 votes:

Joelogon: "True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country. " -- attributed to Kurt Vonnegut


It's from one of his letters; here's a more expansive and meaningful quotation:

True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.


To wake up and find out that popularity still dictates over intelligence. To wake and find that the world is still childishly cruel. To wake and find that days, week, months, and years have done nothing to better the human race.


True terror is to wake up one morning and realize that the fools run the world.
2013-03-15 03:44:21 AM
3 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Gen X will end up mucking it out in the trenches to make things work again.  Then the Millennials will take all the credit and pretend like it was their idea all along.


Xers can be some of the most cynical assholes on this planet, yet be "activists" at the same time. Most of them think Rage Against the Machine and The various "Activist" protest bands out there actually gave a shiat. Nah, they just said what riled you guys up, and took the check to the bank.

There hasn't been real political action in this country since the Vietnam War protests. All I've seen is Xers sit on their asses and go "Welp, the Boomers screwed up, let's sit back and watch and laugh" while on the same runaway train as the rest of the country.
2013-03-15 12:30:11 AM
3 votes:
"True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country. " -- attributed to Kurt Vonnegut
2013-03-15 05:18:57 PM
2 votes:

Yogimus: ProfessorOhki: OWS was addressing issues that span generations

OWS crowd has no more troubles or tribulations than any other generation had. The only difference is that they have the benefit of "Social networking", which leads to the (false) impression that they are correct out of sheer numbers. Hint: EVERY GENERATION OF 20 YEAR OLDS dealt with the same shiat. We just kept quiet about it, because no one would listen.


The young people of the 60s and 70s, of course, being forever remembered as particularly quiet with their stances on political issues, especially war.
2013-03-15 03:16:29 PM
2 votes:
I'm at the front end of the Millennial generation (born in 1985). The stereotypes of my generation in the thread are absurdly inaccurate.

We're more technologically savvy, more open to new ideas, more tolerant of people and cultures, are over-burdened with debt because our ancestors spent all our money and realize that we must compete internationally against someone for a job in our own country. So while we are off fighting your wars in other countries, while we doing your shiatty jobs that can barely pay the bills (let alone student loans) and paying into retirement programs we'll never get to use ...the moment we complain that just maybe things are tilted a little against us, we're slapped down, arrested and told we're lazy morons.

Y'all can go fark yourselves....

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2013-03-15 01:22:20 PM
2 votes:

Craptastic: The author makes a great point about the younger kids being willing to "go around" governmental solutions.

csb/

A few years ago, when I lived in a different state, I saw a neighborhood kid (about 20 years old) on a Sunday morning with a bunch of his friends outside. They were gathering around with a bunch of rakes and garbage bags, and looked ready to do some kind of work. So I say "Hey, Brandon! What's going on?" He tells me "I've been calling the parks department for months to clean up the trash in _local park_, and they never do anything. So we're going to do it ourselves. Do you wanna help?" I say "Sure I do! Lemme make a few calls, I bet I can get twice the people you have now."

So, we went to the park, cleaned up all the garbage: beer cans, broken fishing equipment, all kinds of stuff. It took us about three hours, but we had that place spotless and we had a great time doing it. Went to the local pizza joint afterwards, and were treated to lunch by the owner who liked what we had done. (The park was across the street from his restaurant, and he invited us all over when he saw what we were doing.)

Perhaps shamed, the parks department took better care of the place after that, the lazy bastards.

/end csb

tl;dr - Don't junk up our public spaces, and if you see someone else's trash, pick it up.


Generational theory explains this as the byproduct of a generation of "nomads" who have deep seated distrust for institutions.  Gen X came of age between the cold war and the culture wars, both byproducts themselves of the Awakening which left America feeling strong enough to do anything we wanted after WWII.  Gen X's cynicism led them, generally speaking, to become detached, individualistic, and withdrawn as much from society as possible.  This manifests as disinterest in civics and a lack of social conscience.  What's good for me is good for society, and if everyone felt that way, we'd all be doing ok.

This time of cynical withdrawal and disaffected individualism leads to a democratic crisis which is the environment this generation of Millennials grew up in.

Whereas Gen X's cynicism and distrust of the system led them to draw away from it and fall in on themselves, it leads the subsequent generation to just take action outright.  It's been really interesting to watch these kids try and navigate the absolute shiatshow that the system became in the absence of an engaged populace.
2013-03-15 09:23:42 AM
2 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Look, I don't hate Millennials. Most are friendly and have some good qualities. They want to please people, are almost never racist or homophobic, care deeply, and want to do the right thing.

The problem is that Millennials have had endless adult supervision and always have an authority figure to appeal to. I grew up with free-range children and my parents were happy when i wasn't around. Fistfights didn't bring the police and were a way to settle problems.

DDOS attacks and Reddit butthurt won't change anything. It's going to be dirty and bloody.


I think you might be surprised at how willing this "millennial" generation will be in another 8 to 10 years to just burn the whole damn world down.  The one thing I've noticed about them, and you have echoes of it in your assessment, is this weird balance of patience beyond measure, and astounding impatience.  Things moved *very* fast for anyone born after about 1982.  On the one hand, this gives kids growing up in that period a perspective that is encouraged about the possibility of changing from one day to the next, but discouraged about the possibility of changing overall.

You look at the Occupy business, and you can get all hoity toy and say they didn't accomplish anything (I'd disagree but that's besides the point).  But they stuck it out in the cold when people said they'd go crying home.  They got pepper sprayed, kicked, hit with shiat and the entire time people said they were stupid, made up lies about them, complained about their lack of structure.  And they never cowed to those complaints, fought all the lies publicly until it was clear they weren't going to get a fair shake and then retreated back to the internet to organize there.

I see a generation that isn't afraid to get its hands dirty.  A generation that is willing to share and develop ideas and get creative.  And despite your concerns, a generation that has no qualms about sticking their necks out.

Of course, we also see a generation that is being portrayed, as all that came before it were portrayed, as weak, disorganized, frivolous, directionless, feckless, fools who don't know how good they've got it.

/I subscribe to the generational cycle theory.
//And the millennials happen to be just in time to be the Heroes.
2013-03-15 09:00:19 AM
2 votes:
I'm a gen-xer and I teach at a university- a very large one- so I have a lot of contact with the 18-24 yo crowd. You know what? They're great. They're mostly pleasant, smart (well...at least a standard distribution applies), and contrary to what everyone says, I do not get the impression that they feel entitled. Some do, of course, but every generation has those. Yes, they are ambitious, they have unrealistic expectations and they're totally unprepared. But seriously- who ever had everything figured out at 23? I trust them more than I trust the boomers not to totally fark everything up when they get to the point where they're running things.

But you never know, do you? Ideals and intentions are wonderful, until you realize that nothing is ever easy, nothing is cut and dried, and what once looked like tractable solutions to untenable situations are, in reality, too hopelessly simple for the incredible complexity of the problem.
2013-03-15 08:07:14 AM
2 votes:
As a millennial (born '89) and apparently an echo-boomer (parents born in '51) I gotta tell you, this crap about what you guys perceive us as nothing but a bunch of whiny snowflakes that demand everything is a bit disingenuous.

The Gen. X'ers created the special snowflake syndrome, but we go to our parents for advice, not to fight our battles. Unlike you old, pissy guys, our parents actually offered advice and gave us methods as to how we should go about fixing the problem and not just tell us to "figure it out on your own"

There are a great deal of people in my generation that realize that Gen. X dropped the ball to fix the Boomer's mess, so instead of the generational task of fixing the previous generation's mistakes, we now have the monumental task of doing what the Gen X'ers botched and fix the problems that are now engrained in the system.

Millennials are very much open minded, very secular in general, and still see the world with a bit of naivety as to how we can perfect it, and there's nothing wrong with it. We want to fix the world. We want to take command of our own lives. We want to fix what hasn't been fixed. You're seeing that transition worldwide. Look at the failed green revolution in Iran in 2009, the Arab Spring revolutions, the calls for reform in Europe. The Occupy Wall St. movement. You guys farked us all over and we're fighting back. There are real problems and the millennials are the ones willing to fight to fix it.

Are we idealistic? Yes, but idealism is how we progress as a species. Idealism is what it takes to push a country forward. And I'm sorry if the years of working in the corporate world has made you disillusioned with what it takes to be idealistic, I'm sorry if you've given up on what it takes to get all of us, all of us, to the place we need to be at, but if you're not willing to care about anyone else but yourselves, and if you're not willing to give a damn about anyone including yourself, then it's time that a generation takes up the mantle of social and economic change for the better. It's my generation that has to live with your mistakes and if we resent you for it, so be it, but we're gonna be the ones that fix the crap so that future generations don't have to live with failures of the Baby Boomers and the apathy of the Gen X'ers
2013-03-15 06:15:31 AM
2 votes:

xria: dickfreckle: Gen X here ( I guess - am 38). Even from a younger age I felt that I was going to bear the weight of fixing this bullsh*t. My parents and their friends basically handed us a flaming paper bag of turd and laughed at us.

So you are to blame for everything not being fixed already, slacker?


'83 here. I didn't expect everything to be fixed, but was it really too much to ask the previous generations not to break everything? Case in point is my father. My paternal grandparents were depression babies. By the time my grandfather died in 2003, he was a millionaire and left the wealth in a trust for his two grandkids (my bro and me). Less than 4 years later, my father had spent everything AND put us more than 300K in the hole by taking out an equity loan on a house that was paid off. Then he nearly lost the house three times because he took an ARM from Countrywide.

The Boomer generation has always been about "instant gratification takes too long." I seriously hope my generation takes a good hard look and learns a lesson or two.
2013-03-15 04:42:02 AM
2 votes:
People are idiots. Idiots get to vote. Idiots rule.

/Nothing changes
2013-03-15 04:13:09 AM
2 votes:
I'll say a few things about the millenials. They gave us Occupy. Percent lingo is what made a campaign and broke another.
2013-03-15 04:10:40 AM
2 votes:
We survived disco.  We will survive dubstep.
2013-03-15 03:52:20 AM
2 votes:
keep deluding yourself into thinking the masses have control over anything. we are all at the whims of the wealthy powerful families that own and play Government.
2013-03-14 09:55:30 PM
2 votes:
According to generational theory, the Millennials are supposed to be a civic-minded cohort (like the 'greatest generation') that will work together for the common good.

Sounds good in theory, I hope it comes to pass.
2013-03-16 06:11:32 AM
1 votes:
No way we can fail as bad as the baby boomers, so I'm not worried too much. Are you guys still fighting the culture wars? Gen X just needs to admit that my generation isn't that far off from theirs, we are basically a spin off.
2013-03-15 07:44:31 PM
1 votes:

HellRaisingHoosier: We're more technologically savvy, more open to new ideas, more tolerant of people and cultures, are over-burdened with debt because our ancestors spent all our money and realize that we must compete internationally against someone for a job in our own country. So while we are off fighting your wars in other countries, while we doing your shiatty jobs that can barely pay the bills (let alone student loans) and paying into retirement programs we'll never get to use ...the moment we complain that just maybe things are tilted a little against us, we're slapped down, arrested and told we're lazy morons.

Y'all can go fark yourselves....


Funny, that's exactly what my generation was saying in 1998.
2013-03-15 04:23:17 PM
1 votes:

HellRaisingHoosier: The biggest problem being that most of lives are documented. I mean, if I punched some kid back in 5th grade it was probably recorded and will then be brought out to show me as some sort of monster growing up. And we're not even getting into the things posted to Fark, Facebook, Youtube, etc. So the ones too boring and sheltered to win wouldn't have the personality and charisma to win, and the ones with a personality have too much of a tainted and documented past.


I'm fully expecting to run for Congress and a porn my gf (now wife when I run) made is found and I'll just get up at the podium and say "yeah, I made a porn. You got a problem with seeing my cock? It's a cock, half of us have one. Stop being ashamed of yours" and then either whip it out or drop the mic and walk off

...actually, I'd love to see the generation that's gonna get into government (mine) slap people around who make a stink about sexuality.
2013-03-15 04:18:10 PM
1 votes:
Yogimus:
Same war, muffin.  I didn't see too many 20 year olds in congress on 2011.  (MATH IS HARD)  Veterans are coming home, and beginning their runs on government institutions. Another decade or so and the 80-s kids will be coming to power.  Judge us for that.

/unless you are another one of those farktards that believes all things they don't like are related



I don't see Millennial military personnel leading the way for us getting into government. Especially when most of us don't want anything to do with the military, and in fact, want to see it drastically shrunk. My generation is far too weary of the old-guard-institutions. However, it would be nice to see a single Millennial in Congress. Someone to slap the budget and check books out of the current people's hands. My guess is that a more liberal area will be the first to do it. Any young person in a conservative area would have to have the same venom-rhetoric as the current batch of old congressmen, which would lose him his younger supporters that he'd need to win.

The biggest problem being that most of lives are documented. I mean, if I punched some kid back in 5th grade it was probably recorded and will then be brought out to show me as some sort of monster growing up. And we're not even getting into the things posted to Fark, Facebook, Youtube, etc. So the ones too boring and sheltered to win wouldn't have the personality and charisma to win, and the ones with a personality have too much of a tainted and documented past.
2013-03-15 02:59:52 PM
1 votes:

ProfessorOhki: It's funny you say "you," because I'm in the 37.9% group. But as they say around these parts, keep farking that chicken. Talking a multi-generational cause as if it was a single age group marginalizes it in the same way as the media you were complaining about did.


...Look. My point here is that, in general, Boomers are more likely to be spoiled, whining biatches than MEs. You're defending them, so yeah, I'm going to assume that's who you are. And like I said, our generation went out, knowing that the cops were going to attack us, and tried to do something to fix what the prior generations screwed up--and as much as everyone appreciates the help from older generations, to turn around and say 'look what we did!' when you got none of the  blame, at least in this conversation, is just trying to piggyback on. If it were a different conversation, maybe not, but it isn't.
2013-03-15 02:41:21 PM
1 votes:

ProfessorOhki: PsiChick: L.D. Ablo: Doubtful.  Millennial precious snowflakes can't handle conflict and treat strong opinions as if they were hate crimes.  They cry their little eyes out, call you a bully and think that will shame you into being nice.  Go see how that strategy works against Big Oil or a Too-Big-To-Fail Bank.

The Boomers are fat and happy and are not going to change their ways.

Gen X will end up mucking it out in the trenches to make things work again.  Then the Millennials will take all the credit and pretend like it was their idea all along.

I think you've confused 'millennials' with 'boomers' there.

/Sorry, which generation went out to create OWS even while the media was constantly deriding them and the police was repeatedly showing their willingness to use excessive force?

Speaking of taking credit... let's go with "more than one."

Table 2 shows that 24.4% of respondents were between the ages of 18 - 24 and another 37.9% were between the ages of 25 and 34. Close to 64.2% of respondents were younger than 34 years of age.
Over a third of respondents, or 35.8%, were older than 35 years of age including 10% over 54 years of age. While the sample is relatively young, one in three respondents is older than 35 and one in five
respondents is 45 and older.

/http://occupywallst.org/media/pdf/OWS-profile1-10-18-11-sent-v2-HRCG . pdf


Oooh, how cool. You must have gotten so much blame for it too, right? During all the media hoopla, they were all yapping about those middle-aged parents and how they were destroying the country, right?

/You're proving  my point here, not yours.
2013-03-15 02:12:11 PM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Doubtful.  Millennial precious snowflakes can't handle conflict and treat strong opinions as if they were hate crimes.  They cry their little eyes out, call you a bully and think that will shame you into being nice.  Go see how that strategy works against Big Oil or a Too-Big-To-Fail Bank.

The Boomers are fat and happy and are not going to change their ways.

Gen X will end up mucking it out in the trenches to make things work again.  Then the Millennials will take all the credit and pretend like it was their idea all along.


I think you've confused 'millennials' with 'boomers' there.

/Sorry, which generation went out to create OWS even while the media was constantly deriding them and the police was repeatedly showing their willingness to use excessive force?
2013-03-15 01:10:09 PM
1 votes:

Graffito: Kurmudgeon: L.D. Ablo: The Boomers are fat and happy old and increasingly feeble and are not going to change their ways.

There comes a time that blaming the same old people becomes pointless.
Also, Boomer bashers generally tend to be balding 30 something wimps.
Quit whining and pull up your damn pants.

It's always comforting to have someone to blame.   Apparently, all baby-boomers were straight, white, males who simply breezed through life selfishly ruining things FOREVER.


That's OK, because all Gen-Xers and Millenials are lazy slackers who have never done a day of work in their lives and want everything handed to them on a silver platter.
2013-03-15 12:17:49 PM
1 votes:
2013-03-15 11:39:44 AM
1 votes:
There are many milestones in your life that remind you that you're getting older.  One key milestone is when you realize that your generation wasn't nearly as transformational as you thought.  The system has a way of taking your generations perceived strengths and turning them into tools of control.  Gen X saw the excesses of the Boomers and decided to combat the system by opting out.  Everything became a joke.  Nothing was to be taken seriously.  Your status in society was measured by how many sacred cows you slaughtered.  We thought that by mocking the system that we would take away its power.  Instead, the system turned our own cynicism against us.  It gave us Howard Stern and The Daily Show and South Park.  It bombarded us with shock jock tactics to the point where we became incapable of being shocked by even the most horrific of abuses.  It used our iconoclasm to tear down social barriers and traditions that had become inconvenient to the system.  By the time we figured out what was happening, we were buried in student loan debt and underwater mortgages and had no choice but to surrender to the system.

Our only consolation is that the Millennials have already been co-opted and they don't even realize it.  They brag about being the most wired-in generation in history and they don't even realize that they had to give up the last vestiges of privacy to achieve that.  You are now nothing more than a data point in the cloud.  Your every move is tracked, tagged and analyzed.  They know more about you than you know about yourself.  They don't even need your name because they can figure out everything about you just by analyzing your Facebook posting and Amazon shopping habits.  They gave you these awesome devices that promised to democratize humanity and instead they shuttle you off into your own isolated corner of reality where everyone agrees with you and you never have to be challenged to think.  Hundreds of thousands of useful man hours have been diverted into captioning pictures of cats and killing each other in Call of Duty.  They track your every movement and use such sophisticated methods of manipulation that you don't even realize how little freedom of choice you actually have.  They have created a system of control that George Orwell in his wildest dreams could not have imagined, and they never fired a shot.

Take consolation though.  The next generation is on their way up and they'll fall into the same traps the rest of us did.  At least you'll be able to laugh at them.
2013-03-15 11:28:27 AM
1 votes:
So to summarize this thread my generation was awesome but these kids today suck.
2013-03-15 11:23:44 AM
1 votes:

Oakenhelm: It's funny when people blame the economic woes on Millenials for believing in President Obama when Obama is a Boomer himself. Doesn't that make it the Boomers' fault?


Obama is not a Boomer.  He's right in the transition between Boomer and X and his mentality is far more X than Boomer.  I think they call it Generation Jones, or something.  I don't consider him a true Gen Xer, but if you read The Audacity of Hope, he clearly does not think like a Boomer.
2013-03-15 10:39:14 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Farce-Side: Thunderpipes: Ask a young kids today, what should be done with the debt, and if it is important.

They don't care. They cannot understand the concept. They want free stuff now, and screw everyone else. They listen to Obama, believe the BS, and are a drag on society. They have never even been backhanded for their attitude. No wonder they think they deserve everything given to them. After all, they get trophies for showing up.

You started out strong, but now you're just kind of mailing it in, basically repeating the same points.  You can do better than this.  I believe in you.

No you don't. Lies....

I have a 19 month old son. I know he will suffer terribly when he becomes a man and goes to college and try to get a job. National debt will be Greece levels or worse. White male, so he will be discriminated against wherever he goes. He will come of age in a world where most of the country is on welfare, living off loans from other countries. This is not rhetoric, but actual mathematically projected stuff. That is what pisses me off most about you liberals. Numbers staring you in the face, you just don't care even a little. 10 farking trillion in new debt from one President, with bad unemployment/underemployment and economic growth, and you all just sing praises. You seem like a cult. That directly hurts my child's future.


More like your kid will be hurt by your extremely off kilter world view.
2013-03-15 10:05:42 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Of course you won't, you are bad people. You shoot up schools, don't want to work, and want to steal from those that do. You are too stupid to even understand economics, let alone get a job.

Thank you for making my point for me, scum.

Greediest generation? That is you, douchebag.


You sure about that? You guys are the ones who came up with the "I got mine, fark you" mindset. So how does that make us the "greediest generation"? We would like to help everyone. We're the stupid idealists that see what you guys gave us and want to fix it for the good of everyone, not just our own.

We do want to work, that was one of the many reasons of the Occupy movement. We want to work so we can pay off our debts from schooling. We want to work so we can pay for healthcare, so that we can own our own place, so we can start a family, so we can live our lives. We want to work, I don't understand what part of that you don't understand. We understand economics, we understand you've screwed us over with this "trickle-down" nonsense and we know we need to fix your shiat before we can advance.

Thank you for proving you have no idea what the fark you're talking about, scum
2013-03-15 09:58:09 AM
1 votes:

Joe1549: Born in '85, not slacking just annoyed.

I swear, when I was young I thought life would be fun. Maybe I watched too many cartoons, but I knew that we certainly were not working as hard as we did in the early 19th century. We've made too many gains since then. The "Great Society" was not supposed to be temporary. We should still be enlightening others, but we first need to enlighten ourselves.

Productivity per hour is not human, it is the life of a machine. Too many people think we need to work hard, when really the problem is hoarding. As I try to buy a house, a responsible action, what do I see? People with more money just buying the property with cash. Where does that leave me?

Our income inequality is a real issue. I hope we can address it. If we are to be the world's first nation. Then we should express it.

Where does that leave us? Are we the spokesmen for the future? What about adults? They have no stake in what happens?

People are so tribalistic, we need to put aside those differences and work together to achieve a greater life. Guess what? We don't know if there's an afterlife. We do know there is this life. So lets start acting like it and get our act together.



I think the point here is, how can we get away with calling the Millennials lazy and whatnot when they haven't had the chance to do anything?  They came of age when Bush and his buddies were in power, they fought in our stupid wars, went to college on loans with the promise that if they worked hard they'd earn a career, and now they're sitting smack dab in the middle of the worst economic time for anyone who isn't a Wall Street insider since the days when my grandparents were born.  Whatever jobs that haven't been shipped overseas or dumped on the other workers are being held by older people who are working longer than ever.

What the hell else would you expect???
2013-03-15 09:53:57 AM
1 votes:

Zeno-25: Thunderpipes: HMS_Blinkin: Sgygus: According to generational theory, the Millennials are supposed to be a civic-minded cohort (like the 'greatest generation') that will work together for the common good.

Sounds good in theory, I hope it comes to pass.

As a millenial, all I can say is we (probably) can't screw things up worse than the boomers who are currently in power.  Might as well let us try.

You are barely literate (how are our schools doing?). You cannot do anything without an IPhone/pad/tampon. You have no discipline, no honor, and you envy anyone who made money, want to see them fall. You take no responsibility for your actions at all. In short, you will fail, and drag the entire country down with you. When you cannot find a job after college, you will blame Bush, still. When the national debt is 150% of GDP around 2025, you will blame Bush. When my son, who is not yet 2, goes to college and the country is in shambles, I will rightly blame you.

Spew all the BS you've heard on Fox News about my generation, but in reality right wingers are just scared stiff from the demographic changes barreling towards their ideology like a freight train. My generation has access to more information and alternative viewpoints, we decreasingly believe the garbage we were told as kids and still told on TV as the country falls apart around us thanks to the decisions of the Greediest Generation. The ones that gave us Reagan, Dubya, a bubble economy with the biggest crash since the Great Depression, and a planet whose climate is spinning of of control thanks to decades of abusing energy resources.

My generation will not be kind to our predecessors. We are all too well aware of the choices they made, and the state of the world we are inheriting.


Of course you won't, you are bad people. You shoot up schools, don't want to work, and want to steal from those that do. You are too stupid to even understand economics, let alone get a job.

Thank you for making my point for me, scum.

Greediest generation? That is you, douchebag.
2013-03-15 09:50:03 AM
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You know what's great, the boomers were the "free love/hippy" society who, when given the reigns to the country went so hard to the right they took the country off a cliff. This generation protested the Vietnam war but then couldn't wait to send everyone's kids off to fight brown people in the sand if it made their portfolios go up a few percentage points.

It's been the the X'ers, Y'ers and Millennials who have been the catalysts for change that the Boomers only pretended they were in the 60's and 70's.

Boomers are the most useless godawful generation in modern history.
2013-03-15 09:36:38 AM
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Interesting article.  I fall at the very beginning of the millennials or the very end of the Xs.

The millennials definitely have a better chance at changing things than the Xs.  The Xs are too self-absorbed about how they got screwed by the boomers (they did) to be able to do much good.  They've spent their entire lives waiting for the boomers to get out of the way so they can have their piece of the pie.

The millennials that are significantly younger than me are still too young to really know what impact they'll have, but they realize that the great government social contract is not necessarily ironclad, which leaves them trying to bake their own pie rather than trying to get a piece of the boomer's pie.  They've shown innovation and networking that is greater than anything the Xs have achieved.

I'm not sure that they'll actually change anything, but they're probably the best bet at this point.
2013-03-15 09:26:53 AM
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randomjsa: 18-24 year old people remain some of the most ignorant and under informed voters we have no matter who they vote for.

And in this country that's saying a lot considering the 25+ crowd isn't exactly well informed either.

But if you're expecting the "ignorant so they vote for Democrats line..." you came to the wrong post.

Fark is one of the websites that highlights the precious snow flakes entitlement mentality and people with an entitlement mentality will generally vote for Democrats. There was no better example of this than when they talked to a bunch of college/just out of college students about why they didn't have health insurance. The almost universal answer was "We shouldn't have to pay for that!"

It would take too much out of their precious 'entertainment' expenses.

So yes, the 18-24 year old crowd is entitled and wants to live a consequence free life style where they are taken care of by the government. How nice.


I work full time, spend $30 at most on entertainment each month, and am living paycheck to paycheck largely because I have enormous medical bills.

It could be that I favor "socialized" medicine because I see firsthand that our current system hurts the working class and is untenable in the long term. However, so long as you can "stick it to the libs", I doubt you care about reality.
2013-03-15 09:21:41 AM
1 votes:
I really dislike articles that draw most of their philosophical and political inferences from the stuff people buy and the websites they use.
2013-03-15 09:16:04 AM
1 votes:
They'll turn out fine, except for the ones that don't.  Just like we did.
2013-03-15 09:09:25 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Did you vote for Obama? Then I know exactly what you are about, punish hard work, reward laziness with money in exchange for a vote.


Hahahahaha, yes that's why those red states have some of the highest welfare recipients, right? Those are just filled with democrats, right?

You know who takes in the highest amount of welfare? White, trailer-trash yokels from the deep south. You got a problem with those who want government money, then look to your own voter pool.

but explain to me how I am punishing hard work? Are you saying that 52% of the people in this country don't work? That's a vastly different unemployment number than what actually exists.
2013-03-15 09:04:03 AM
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Sgygus: According to generational theory, the Millennials are supposed to be a civic-minded cohort (like the 'greatest generation') that will work together for the common good.

Sounds good in theory, I hope it comes to pass.


As a millenial, all I can say is we (probably) can't screw things up worse than the boomers who are currently in power.  Might as well let us try.
2013-03-15 09:03:18 AM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Dumb article, from a liberal rag, makes no sense.

Kids vote for Obama because they have been indoctrinated all their lives in public schools. More and more of their parents are non-working scumbags. They want free stuff, and everyone should pay taxes but them. That is how young people thing, period. Lazy, entitled, spoiled little bastards that would just assume shoot up a school as get a job.


You sir are perhaps the single biggest troll on Fark. Go yell at another cloud, asshole.
2013-03-15 07:41:50 AM
1 votes:

INeedAName: randomjsa: 18-24 year old people remain some of the most ignorant and under informed voters we have no matter who they vote for.

And in this country that's saying a lot considering the 25+ crowd isn't exactly well informed either.

But if you're expecting the "ignorant so they vote for Democrats line..." you came to the wrong post.

Fark is one of the websites that highlights the precious snow flakes entitlement mentality and people with an entitlement mentality will generally vote for Democrats. There was no better example of this than when they talked to a bunch of college/just out of college students about why they didn't have health insurance. The almost universal answer was "We shouldn't have to pay for that!"

It would take too much out of their precious 'entertainment' expenses.

So yes, the 18-24 year old crowd is entitled and wants to live a consequence free life style where they are taken care of by the government. How nice.

So... vote Republican?


What randomlibbyalt doesn't want to admit is, those "consequences", being "taken care of"?  They feel they;re entitled to such outlandish things as "responsible consumer protection laws", and "environmental regulations" that mean they can "swim in the nearby river without growing a third arm".  They feel like being free of the consequences of the financial sector wiping out their life savings, of not being persecuted because they don't have a Y chromosome and might need a medication for a part of their internal system that happens to also function for reproduction, of having their financial stability wiped out by the cost of getting treated for a medical debilitation.  Those people are such moochers.
2013-03-15 07:40:55 AM
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Moreover, as both fans and critics of Ron and Rand Paul like to point out, college kids seem to be the most ardent supporters of the Libertarian Party's don't-tell-me-what-to-do politics. While on issues like marriage equality this can make them seem liberal, on issues of taxation and government regulation it doesn't.

Young people are impulsive and egocentric. Thanks for your reporting, Ric Romero.
2013-03-15 07:01:12 AM
1 votes:
'84. Currently in what's left of the manufacturing sector trying to undo or repair the damage done by the boomers. (Both in the "keeping some mfg. here in the country" sense and the "Wow, this quality system has completely fallen to shiat because of lazy people" sense.)

/anecdotal, of course
2013-03-15 06:28:25 AM
1 votes:
'83 here

I just skimmed the article but it seems to be fairly accurate. I have no expectation for SS to exist by the time I retire (around 65...probably a little longer) and  have no gripes about raising the SS retirement age, limiting the annual benefit increase percentage, or even using bargaining power to access cheaper meds. I consider myself a fiscal moderate but will never vote for a party that refuses to progress on social issues such as gay marriage and female reproductive rights. Also, I have no grand plans to cash my house in as a fool-proof investment. My house is just a place to live where the monthly payment stays relatively stable.

I would also like to repeatedly punch the boomer I work with in the face as I have to listen to her biatching every day about how husband is "making her retire at 59 1/2 instead of 59." Boo-farking-hoo.
2013-03-15 06:22:07 AM
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Peki: xria: dickfreckle: Gen X here ( I guess - am 38). Even from a younger age I felt that I was going to bear the weight of fixing this bullsh*t. My parents and their friends basically handed us a flaming paper bag of turd and laughed at us.

So you are to blame for everything not being fixed already, slacker?

'83 here. I didn't expect everything to be fixed, but was it really too much to ask the previous generations not to break everything? Case in point is my father. My paternal grandparents were depression babies. By the time my grandfather died in 2003, he was a millionaire and left the wealth in a trust for his two grandkids (my bro and me). Less than 4 years later, my father had spent everything AND put us more than 300K in the hole by taking out an equity loan on a house that was paid off. Then he nearly lost the house three times because he took an ARM from Countrywide.

The Boomer generation has always been about "instant gratification takes too long." I seriously hope my generation takes a good hard look and learns a lesson or two.


Sadly, this was a popular bumper sticker around the time you were born:

drschiffman.files.wordpress.com
2013-03-15 05:06:25 AM
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L.D. Ablo: Doubtful.  Millennial precious snowflakes can't handle conflict and treat strong opinions as if they were hate crimes.  They cry their little eyes out, call you a bully and think that will shame you into being nice.  Go see how that strategy works against Big Oil or a Too-Big-To-Fail Bank.

The Boomers are fat and happy and are not going to change their ways.

Gen X will end up mucking it out in the trenches to make things work again.  Then the Millennials will take all the credit and pretend like it was their idea all along.


Gen X here ( I guess - am 38). Even from a younger age I felt that I was going to bear the weight of fixing this bullsh*t. My parents and their friends basically handed us a flaming paper bag of turd and laughed at us.
2013-03-15 05:00:48 AM
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themindiswatching: L.D. Ablo: Doubtful.  Millennial precious snowflakes can't handle conflict and treat strong opinions as if they were hate crimes.  They cry their little eyes out, call you a bully and think that will shame you into being nice.  Go see how that strategy works against Big Oil or a Too-Big-To-Fail Bank.

The Boomers are fat and happy and are not going to change their ways.

Gen X will end up mucking it out in the trenches to make things work again.  Then the Millennials will take all the credit and pretend like it was their idea all along.

Stop committing hate crimes!!!!

/"millennial" and nothing like that at all.


Look, I don't hate Millennials.  Most are friendly and have some good qualities.  They want to please people, are almost never racist or homophobic, care deeply, and want to do the right thing.

The problem is that Millennials have had endless adult supervision and always have an authority figure to appeal to.  I grew up with free-range children and my parents were happy when i wasn't around.  Fistfights didn't bring the police and were a way to settle problems.

DDOS attacks and Reddit butthurt won't change anything.  It's going to be dirty and bloody.
2013-03-15 04:51:27 AM
1 votes:
'79 here.  Don't lump me in with those Y ers.
2013-03-15 04:42:50 AM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Doubtful.  Millennial precious snowflakes can't handle conflict and treat strong opinions as if they were hate crimes.  They cry their little eyes out, call you a bully and think that will shame you into being nice.  Go see how that strategy works against Big Oil or a Too-Big-To-Fail Bank.

The Boomers are fat and happy and are not going to change their ways.

Gen X will end up mucking it out in the trenches to make things work again.  Then the Millennials will take all the credit and pretend like it was their idea all along.


As a Gen Xer, I think you're a giant flaming douchebag.
2013-03-15 04:36:42 AM
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thisispete: Being born in '79, some measures place me with the Xers, others with the Millennials. Either way, I sit on the cusp between the generations.


Ah, a fellow Echo-Boomer.  Anyone born to parents who were born during the post-WWII economic boom in the 50's is in our generation.
2013-03-15 04:35:47 AM
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buckler: "YOLO" I know, but what the hell is "Swag"?

/old


Likewise.  Grew up thinking swag was free shiat you brought home from Comdex and other conventions. Now it means, "swagger."

Urban Dictionary's top definition is rather amusing:

The most used word in the whole farking universe. Douche bags use it, your kids use it, your mail man uses it, and your farking dog uses it. If you got swag, you generally wear those shiatty hats side way, and your ass hanging out like a farking goof cause your pants are half way down your white ass legs. To break down the word, it means (Secretly We Are Gay). It is also a word that means to represent yourself/ the way you represent yourself, baggy clothes, shiatty hats, small penis and basically a way to say your afraid to come out of the closet.
Assface Magee: I got so much swag
Darrel: You got so much dick in your ass
Assface Magee: fark you, SWAG
2013-03-15 04:35:41 AM
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They prefer personalization, from their iPhones to their DVRs to their Scion cars, rather than general issue one-size-fits-all solutions.

This is the voice of all you whiny old people. Totally out-of-touch. Best quote in the article, IMO.
2013-03-15 04:34:05 AM
1 votes:

buckler: "YOLO" I know, but what the hell is "Swag"?

/old


Faux gold teef and expensive sneakers. White chicks with extensions and whore makeup. Clothes with gigantic brand names on them.  Bieber. That ugly black chick on Idol. Money for things, yet clamoring about The Man.
2013-03-15 04:25:46 AM
1 votes:
Born in '79.

Consider myself Gen Y.

/as in why bother?
2013-03-15 04:17:30 AM
1 votes:
This guy couldn't even get the first TWO words of his article right?

i.imgur.com
2013-03-15 04:15:48 AM
1 votes:
Born in '85, not slacking just annoyed.

I swear, when I was young I thought life would be fun. Maybe I watched too many cartoons, but I knew that we certainly were not working as hard as we did in the early 19th century. We've made too many gains since then. The "Great Society" was not supposed to be temporary. We should still be enlightening others, but we first need to enlighten ourselves.

Productivity per hour is not human, it is the life of a machine. Too many people think we need to work hard, when really the problem is hoarding. As I try to buy a house, a responsible action, what do I see? People with more money just buying the property with cash. Where does that leave me?

Our income inequality is a real issue. I hope we can address it. If we are to be the world's first nation. Then we should express it.

Where does that leave us? Are we the spokesmen for the future? What about adults? They have no stake in what happens?

People are so tribalistic, we need to put aside those differences and work together to achieve a greater life. Guess what? We don't know if there's an afterlife. We do know there is this life. So lets start acting like it and get our act together.
2013-03-15 04:03:14 AM
1 votes:
meh

gen x

subby

/slackin'
2013-03-15 04:02:35 AM
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: keep deluding yourself into thinking the masses have control over anything. we are all at the whims of the wealthy powerful families that own and play Government.


^^
2013-03-15 03:57:25 AM
1 votes:

Sneakernets: L.D. Ablo: Gen X will end up mucking it out in the trenches to make things work again.  Then the Millennials will take all the credit and pretend like it was their idea all along.

Xers can be some of the most cynical assholes on this planet, yet be "activists" at the same time. Most of them think Rage Against the Machine and The various "Activist" protest bands out there actually gave a shiat. Nah, they just said what riled you guys up, and took the check to the bank.

There hasn't been real political action in this country since the Vietnam War protests. All I've seen is Xers sit on their asses and go "Welp, the Boomers screwed up, let's sit back and watch and laugh" while on the same runaway train as the rest of the country.


How in the world are Gen X "activists"? Nobody cares about the message or the lyrics in the music, nobody. Gen X is just unconcerned with the Boomers' failures, because it's not their problem. The word that basically sums it all up for them is "meh".

Alphakronik: Coming from a group of people who can't seem to figure out that your pants don't need to cover your belly button.


Grow up, twerp.
2013-03-15 03:50:39 AM
1 votes:
Could be worse

www.woodstock.com
2013-03-15 03:50:12 AM
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www.explosm.net
2013-03-15 03:43:22 AM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Doubtful.  Millennial precious snowflakes can't handle conflict and treat strong opinions as if they were hate crimes.  They cry their little eyes out, call you a bully and think that will shame you into being nice.  Go see how that strategy works against Big Oil or a Too-Big-To-Fail Bank.

The Boomers are fat and happy and are not going to change their ways.

Gen X will end up mucking it out in the trenches to make things work again.  Then the Millennials will take all the credit and pretend like it was their idea all along.


This
2013-03-15 02:26:17 AM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: Doubtful.  Millennial precious snowflakes can't handle conflict and treat strong opinions as if they were hate crimes.  They cry their little eyes out, call you a bully and think that will shame you into being nice.  Go see how that strategy works against Big Oil or a Too-Big-To-Fail Bank.

The Boomers are fat and happy and are not going to change their ways.

Gen X will end up mucking it out in the trenches to make things work again.  Then the Millennials will take all the credit and pretend like it was their idea all along.


Stop committing hate crimes!!!!

/"millennial" and nothing like that at all.
 
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