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2013-03-15 09:37:04 AM

Farce-Side: Thunderpipes: Ask a young kids today, what should be done with the debt, and if it is important.

They don't care. They cannot understand the concept. They want free stuff now, and screw everyone else. They listen to Obama, believe the BS, and are a drag on society. They have never even been backhanded for their attitude. No wonder they think they deserve everything given to them. After all, they get trophies for showing up.

You started out strong, but now you're just kind of mailing it in, basically repeating the same points.  You can do better than this.  I believe in you.


No you don't. Lies....

I have a 19 month old son. I know he will suffer terribly when he becomes a man and goes to college and try to get a job. National debt will be Greece levels or worse. White male, so he will be discriminated against wherever he goes. He will come of age in a world where most of the country is on welfare, living off loans from other countries. This is not rhetoric, but actual mathematically projected stuff. That is what pisses me off most about you liberals. Numbers staring you in the face, you just don't care even a little. 10 farking trillion in new debt from one President, with bad unemployment/underemployment and economic growth, and you all just sing praises. You seem like a cult. That directly hurts my child's future.
 
2013-03-15 09:37:21 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x1050]
Save us, saggy, droopy-drawered person, you're our only hope!


It's pretty obvious that guy is addicted to drugs.
 
2013-03-15 09:43:30 AM

Thunderpipes: Ask a young kids today, what should be done with the debt, and if it is important.

They don't care. They cannot understand the concept. They want free stuff now, and screw everyone else. They listen to Obama, believe the BS, and are a drag on society. They have never even been backhanded for their attitude. No wonder they think they deserve everything given to them. After all, they get trophies for showing up.


Know how I know you've never asked that to a millennial? First off, we do care about the debt and deficit, we also care about your wellbeing, even if you are a crochity old bastard who could care less about us. We want you to not die in bankruptcy, but we know we can fix these problems, not destroy the country and still make sure we help the people who need the help, something you seem to not care about.

Also, if we listen to Obama and believe Obama, then wouldn't the logic hold that we care about the budget, we care about the economy and we care about making sure that we all have an opportunity to get a job (notice I did not say we automatically have a job, just the opportunity for it...ah screw it, you're gonna ignore that anyway). So if we're listening to Obama, as you say, then how can we do that and not care about the country, the debt or the massive burden you're giving us to deal with?

You guys farked us over, own up to it and fix it before you reach your deathbed. If you don't want to do that, then shut the fark up and let us work.
 
2013-03-15 09:45:15 AM

HeartBurnKid: Tatterdemalian: You didn't do hard work alone. EVERYBODY deserves credit for any hard work that was done, especially the people who were stressed out by the fact that you were doing hard work and they weren't, because they knew you would resent them slacking off while you worked.

/Galt didn't put that metal in the ground! What's so great about him digging it up and making factories out of it?
//But sir, the metal was always there... why didn't somebody other than Galt make factories out of it?
///Well... because GALT CHEATED! He stole from us the inventions that were ours by birthright!

Riiiiiiiiiiight... so did Galt mine the ore, refine the metal, mold the parts, transport the parts to the site, draw up the blueprints, construct the buildings, construct the blueprints, design the products, assemble the products, market the products, and deliver the products all by himself, without using anything anybody else had made?

/and since we're on the subject, the fact that Rand had to have Galt invent a freaking perpetual motion machine to make the plot work should tell you how unrealistic it is.


Nope, Galt didn't do everything by himself... and never claimed to. Which was also the point, as only by accusing him of thinking he did could he be properly demonized, by people who needed to justify hating him even though his only crime was being successful.
 
2013-03-15 09:46:28 AM

randomjsa: 18-24 year old GOP supporting, Faux Nooz™ people remain some of the most ignorant and under informed voters we have no matter who they vote for.

And in this country that's saying a lot considering the 25+ crowd isn't exactly well informed either.

But if you're expecting the "ignorant so they vote for Democrats line..." you came to the wrong post.

Fark is one of the websites that highlights the precious snow flakes entitlement mentality and people with an entitlement mentality will generally vote for Democrats. There was no better example of this than when they talked to a bunch of college/just out of college students about why they didn't have health insurance. The almost universal answer was "We shouldn't have to pay for that!"

It would take too much out of their precious 'entertainment' expenses.

So yes, the 18-24 year old crowd is entitled and wants to live a consequence free life style where they are taken care of by the government. How nice.


FT
 
2013-03-15 09:46:30 AM

Thunderpipes: HMS_Blinkin: Sgygus: According to generational theory, the Millennials are supposed to be a civic-minded cohort (like the 'greatest generation') that will work together for the common good.

Sounds good in theory, I hope it comes to pass.

As a millenial, all I can say is we (probably) can't screw things up worse than the boomers who are currently in power.  Might as well let us try.

You are barely literate (how are our schools doing?). You cannot do anything without an IPhone/pad/tampon. You have no discipline, no honor, and you envy anyone who made money, want to see them fall. You take no responsibility for your actions at all. In short, you will fail, and drag the entire country down with you. When you cannot find a job after college, you will blame Bush, still. When the national debt is 150% of GDP around 2025, you will blame Bush. When my son, who is not yet 2, goes to college and the country is in shambles, I will rightly blame you.


Spew all the BS you've heard on Fox News about my generation, but in reality right wingers are just scared stiff from the demographic changes barreling towards their ideology like a freight train. My generation has access to more information and alternative viewpoints, we decreasingly believe the garbage we were told as kids and still told on TV as the country falls apart around us thanks to the decisions of the Greediest Generation. The ones that gave us Reagan, Dubya, a bubble economy with the biggest crash since the Great Depression, and a planet whose climate is spinning of of control thanks to decades of abusing energy resources.

My generation will not be kind to our predecessors. We are all too well aware of the choices they made, and the state of the world we are inheriting.
 
2013-03-15 09:48:10 AM

somedude210: if we listen to Obama and believe Obama, then wouldn't the logic hold that we care about the budget,


Not really, no. I like it better earlier when yo said you would kick all their asses out, then you went full obama.... never go full obama

No balanced budget
 
2013-03-15 09:50:03 AM
You know what's great, the boomers were the "free love/hippy" society who, when given the reigns to the country went so hard to the right they took the country off a cliff. This generation protested the Vietnam war but then couldn't wait to send everyone's kids off to fight brown people in the sand if it made their portfolios go up a few percentage points.

It's been the the X'ers, Y'ers and Millennials who have been the catalysts for change that the Boomers only pretended they were in the 60's and 70's.

Boomers are the most useless godawful generation in modern history.
 
2013-03-15 09:52:19 AM
jesus it's like you people have never seen tp post before
 
2013-03-15 09:53:48 AM

Joe Blowme: somedude210: if we listen to Obama and believe Obama, then wouldn't the logic hold that we care about the budget,

Not really, no. I like it better earlier when yo said you would kick all their asses out, then you went full obama.... never go full obama

No balanced budget


It's folks like you who will be left behind. We need infrastructure repairs and upgrades, moves to new forms of energy, downscaling of our foreign military exploits, and ways to get millions of aging boomers and their kids healthcare that won't bankrupt them. That sh*t ain't cheap. But keep f*cking that chicken.
 
2013-03-15 09:53:57 AM

Zeno-25: Thunderpipes: HMS_Blinkin: Sgygus: According to generational theory, the Millennials are supposed to be a civic-minded cohort (like the 'greatest generation') that will work together for the common good.

Sounds good in theory, I hope it comes to pass.

As a millenial, all I can say is we (probably) can't screw things up worse than the boomers who are currently in power.  Might as well let us try.

You are barely literate (how are our schools doing?). You cannot do anything without an IPhone/pad/tampon. You have no discipline, no honor, and you envy anyone who made money, want to see them fall. You take no responsibility for your actions at all. In short, you will fail, and drag the entire country down with you. When you cannot find a job after college, you will blame Bush, still. When the national debt is 150% of GDP around 2025, you will blame Bush. When my son, who is not yet 2, goes to college and the country is in shambles, I will rightly blame you.

Spew all the BS you've heard on Fox News about my generation, but in reality right wingers are just scared stiff from the demographic changes barreling towards their ideology like a freight train. My generation has access to more information and alternative viewpoints, we decreasingly believe the garbage we were told as kids and still told on TV as the country falls apart around us thanks to the decisions of the Greediest Generation. The ones that gave us Reagan, Dubya, a bubble economy with the biggest crash since the Great Depression, and a planet whose climate is spinning of of control thanks to decades of abusing energy resources.

My generation will not be kind to our predecessors. We are all too well aware of the choices they made, and the state of the world we are inheriting.


Of course you won't, you are bad people. You shoot up schools, don't want to work, and want to steal from those that do. You are too stupid to even understand economics, let alone get a job.

Thank you for making my point for me, scum.

Greediest generation? That is you, douchebag.
 
2013-03-15 09:56:42 AM

Joe Blowme: somedude210: if we listen to Obama and believe Obama, then wouldn't the logic hold that we care about the budget,

Not really, no. I like it better earlier when yo said you would kick all their asses out, then you went full obama.... never go full obama

No balanced budget


so he wants to work on an actual budget that reduces the deficit but doesn't balance it? You understand that if we balance the budget, and have a "Real" balanced budget, we'd have no defense, right?

You can balance the budget, but it's more complicated than that. There are a lot of economic factors that come into play, the least of which is what will happen when you cut what needs to be cut to balance a $4T budget, or you end up raising taxes so high that you have unrest.

There's also the smart way of going about things too, where you gradually draw down the budget over the span of years, while also raising revenue. We did it in the 90s to get the Clinton surplus, we can do it again now

/if we didn't care about the budget, why do we care that the other guys started two unfunded wars that got the debt to where it is?
 
2013-03-15 09:57:47 AM
 Why are you people even responding to TP?
 
2013-03-15 09:58:09 AM

Joe1549: Born in '85, not slacking just annoyed.

I swear, when I was young I thought life would be fun. Maybe I watched too many cartoons, but I knew that we certainly were not working as hard as we did in the early 19th century. We've made too many gains since then. The "Great Society" was not supposed to be temporary. We should still be enlightening others, but we first need to enlighten ourselves.

Productivity per hour is not human, it is the life of a machine. Too many people think we need to work hard, when really the problem is hoarding. As I try to buy a house, a responsible action, what do I see? People with more money just buying the property with cash. Where does that leave me?

Our income inequality is a real issue. I hope we can address it. If we are to be the world's first nation. Then we should express it.

Where does that leave us? Are we the spokesmen for the future? What about adults? They have no stake in what happens?

People are so tribalistic, we need to put aside those differences and work together to achieve a greater life. Guess what? We don't know if there's an afterlife. We do know there is this life. So lets start acting like it and get our act together.



I think the point here is, how can we get away with calling the Millennials lazy and whatnot when they haven't had the chance to do anything?  They came of age when Bush and his buddies were in power, they fought in our stupid wars, went to college on loans with the promise that if they worked hard they'd earn a career, and now they're sitting smack dab in the middle of the worst economic time for anyone who isn't a Wall Street insider since the days when my grandparents were born.  Whatever jobs that haven't been shipped overseas or dumped on the other workers are being held by older people who are working longer than ever.

What the hell else would you expect???
 
2013-03-15 09:59:35 AM

Zeno-25: Thunderpipes: HMS_Blinkin: Sgygus: According to generational theory, the Millennials are supposed to be a civic-minded cohort (like the 'greatest generation') that will work together for the common good.

Sounds good in theory, I hope it comes to pass.

As a millenial, all I can say is we (probably) can't screw things up worse than the boomers who are currently in power.  Might as well let us try.

You are barely literate (how are our schools doing?). You cannot do anything without an IPhone/pad/tampon. You have no discipline, no honor, and you envy anyone who made money, want to see them fall. You take no responsibility for your actions at all. In short, you will fail, and drag the entire country down with you. When you cannot find a job after college, you will blame Bush, still. When the national debt is 150% of GDP around 2025, you will blame Bush. When my son, who is not yet 2, goes to college and the country is in shambles, I will rightly blame you.

Spew all the BS you've heard on Fox News about my generation, but in reality right wingers are just scared stiff from the demographic changes barreling towards their ideology like a freight train. My generation has access to more information and alternative viewpoints, we decreasingly believe the garbage we were told as kids and still told on TV as the country falls apart around us thanks to the decisions of the Greediest Generation. The ones that gave us Reagan, Dubya, a bubble economy with the biggest crash since the Great Depression, and a planet whose climate is spinning of of control thanks to decades of abusing energy resources.

My generation will not be kind to our predecessors. We are all too well aware of the choices they made, and the state of the world we are inheriting.


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA Obama has outspent every potus COMBINED!! on his way to adding 10 trillion in 8 years to the debt. you owe me a keyboard. How about you try to focus on cleaning out the current nest of criminals do like somedude210
 
2013-03-15 09:59:35 AM
My father is the computer programmer and foreman over half of my former high school classmates in a machine manufacturing plant in my home town.

He said he's never worked with such a group of whiny pussies in his whole life.  They're 33 years old.  They're "owed" that paycheck, and working harder is a hilarious idea.  Recently, they've converted to a non-smoking facility to help keep everyone's health care premiums down, and the Righteous Rage of Entitlement for that all-important smoke break 50 times a day almost sent them to a city-wide revolution.

/Dad is old-school and crusty.  I love him for it.
 
2013-03-15 09:59:41 AM

rtaylor92: You know what's great, the boomers were the "free love/hippy" society who, when given the reigns to the country went so hard to the right they took the country off a cliff. This generation protested the Vietnam war but then couldn't wait to send everyone's kids off to fight brown people in the sand if it made their portfolios go up a few percentage points.


Just wait for the Occupy society to do the same thing.  It will happen.
 
2013-03-15 10:00:32 AM
Rage much, Thunderpipes? The future you've created for yourselves is still barreling down at you. Blaming people who have been on the Earth a fraction of the time as people such as yourself would be funny if it didn't reek of the pure malice of the 'fark you got mine' generation.
 
2013-03-15 10:00:48 AM

Tatterdemalian: HeartBurnKid: Tatterdemalian: You didn't do hard work alone. EVERYBODY deserves credit for any hard work that was done, especially the people who were stressed out by the fact that you were doing hard work and they weren't, because they knew you would resent them slacking off while you worked.

/Galt didn't put that metal in the ground! What's so great about him digging it up and making factories out of it?
//But sir, the metal was always there... why didn't somebody other than Galt make factories out of it?
///Well... because GALT CHEATED! He stole from us the inventions that were ours by birthright!

Riiiiiiiiiiight... so did Galt mine the ore, refine the metal, mold the parts, transport the parts to the site, draw up the blueprints, construct the buildings, construct the blueprints, design the products, assemble the products, market the products, and deliver the products all by himself, without using anything anybody else had made?

/and since we're on the subject, the fact that Rand had to have Galt invent a freaking perpetual motion machine to make the plot work should tell you how unrealistic it is.

Nope, Galt didn't do everything by himself... and never claimed to. Which was also the point, as only by accusing him of thinking he did could he be properly demonized, by people who needed to justify hating him even though his only crime was being successful.


You certainly implied he did everything by himself in your post, but that's besides the point.

So what do you call someone who takes from the labors of others, and then gets up and runs away when it's time for him to give back?
 
2013-03-15 10:03:25 AM

verbaltoxin: Joe Blowme: somedude210: if we listen to Obama and believe Obama, then wouldn't the logic hold that we care about the budget,

Not really, no. I like it better earlier when yo said you would kick all their asses out, then you went full obama.... never go full obama

No balanced budget

It's folks like you who will be left behind. We need infrastructure repairs and upgrades, moves to new forms of energy, downscaling of our foreign military exploits, and ways to get millions of aging boomers and their kids healthcare that won't bankrupt them. That sh*t ain't cheap. But keep f*cking that chicken.


You kow, when your generation finally grows up you will realize the problem with your thinking is eventually you will run out of other peoples money.

/Math, how does it work?
 
2013-03-15 10:03:48 AM

Blink: Teacher here.

Boomers have made an absolute mess of everything (obviously).  I long ago accepted that my generation (X) wasn't going to be able to fix it.  Not because we don't want to, but because the generation before us has complete political control over everything and our generation is too small to wrest it away from them.

I've always viewed generation X as a hold-the-wall group.  We just need to help keep the overwhelming pile of shiat from the Boomers from collapsing on everyone else -- our hope is that this will allow subsequent generations to start making repairs -- until the Boomers start disappearing.

Unfortunately, there's some things that have got me very worried...

1) Millenials don't know how to create anything.  All they do is use shiat.  You guys were supposed be computer geniuses.  Instead, you're mostly just tech fanboys.  Please, be chemists that create new stuff, not pathetic drug addicts.  Note: I partly blame the Evil Apple Empire for this.

2)  You suck at multi-tasking.  Don't take it too hard, everyone sucks at multi-tasking.  The problem is you _think_ you're good at multi-tasking -- and, if I haven't made this clear enough -- you're not.  Stop doing it and focus on one thing.  Because you suck when you split your attention.

3)  Kinda as an addedum to part I, you didn't have anything to do with the rise of Internet (except maybe that you use stuff that other people created on the Internet).  Now, go out and create something

Having said that, I do think the younger generations are crazy smart, and they're way more politically aware than I'd ever expected.  I do have a measure of faith that if we keep the Great Boomer Poo Pile at bay for a while longer, perhaps the Millenials will start actually building stuff.  But, I'm worried ...


^^^ Much agreed. Est 1980 here, and I plan to hold. But I have friends my age and older who are lost in their phones all the time. Live, in person interfacing with another person is a dying art. I can't converse with you when you're checking your email or updating your status or checking in or whatever the heck you're doing.

Being a KV reader since age 12, and a very big William Gibson and PKD fan, I am excited to live in the future. But Blink is correct, we can only hold so long.
 
2013-03-15 10:04:27 AM

HeartBurnKid: Tatterdemalian: HeartBurnKid: Tatterdemalian: You didn't do hard work alone. EVERYBODY deserves credit for any hard work that was done, especially the people who were stressed out by the fact that you were doing hard work and they weren't, because they knew you would resent them slacking off while you worked.

/Galt didn't put that metal in the ground! What's so great about him digging it up and making factories out of it?
//But sir, the metal was always there... why didn't somebody other than Galt make factories out of it?
///Well... because GALT CHEATED! He stole from us the inventions that were ours by birthright!

Riiiiiiiiiiight... so did Galt mine the ore, refine the metal, mold the parts, transport the parts to the site, draw up the blueprints, construct the buildings, construct the blueprints, design the products, assemble the products, market the products, and deliver the products all by himself, without using anything anybody else had made?

/and since we're on the subject, the fact that Rand had to have Galt invent a freaking perpetual motion machine to make the plot work should tell you how unrealistic it is.

Nope, Galt didn't do everything by himself... and never claimed to. Which was also the point, as only by accusing him of thinking he did could he be properly demonized, by people who needed to justify hating him even though his only crime was being successful.

You certainly implied he did everything by himself in your post, but that's besides the point.

So what do you call someone who takes from the labors of others, and then gets up and runs away when it's time for him to give back?


Obama of a golf trip?
 
2013-03-15 10:05:42 AM

Thunderpipes: Of course you won't, you are bad people. You shoot up schools, don't want to work, and want to steal from those that do. You are too stupid to even understand economics, let alone get a job.

Thank you for making my point for me, scum.

Greediest generation? That is you, douchebag.


You sure about that? You guys are the ones who came up with the "I got mine, fark you" mindset. So how does that make us the "greediest generation"? We would like to help everyone. We're the stupid idealists that see what you guys gave us and want to fix it for the good of everyone, not just our own.

We do want to work, that was one of the many reasons of the Occupy movement. We want to work so we can pay off our debts from schooling. We want to work so we can pay for healthcare, so that we can own our own place, so we can start a family, so we can live our lives. We want to work, I don't understand what part of that you don't understand. We understand economics, we understand you've screwed us over with this "trickle-down" nonsense and we know we need to fix your shiat before we can advance.

Thank you for proving you have no idea what the fark you're talking about, scum
 
2013-03-15 10:08:36 AM

HeartBurnKid: So what do you call someone who takes from the labors of others, and then gets up and runs away when it's time for him to give back?


a baby boomer?
 
2013-03-15 10:09:52 AM
Ugh... i can't believe you people don't have Thundercoont on ignore yet...

Seriously... he's a troll... i thought everyone knew this by now...

The biggest reason we Gen-Xers didn't get it fixxed is because the boomers are OUR parents... they raised us the think their way is the right way, that we should be grateful, nay, thanking them, for blessing this world with not only their presence, but that we should be grateful they decided to bring us into the world to bask in their glory...

We grew up witnessing their greed first hand... We were told "go to college and get an education, it's the only way you'll ever be successful". then we did, and we entered the work force, and instead of those greedy bastards retiring when we came in, they exploited our generation and our generation's possibilities to further their own gains and set themselves up with the top level positions.

"Look at all the gen-x coming in with bachelor's degrees, new ideas, and high hopes... this threatens our jobs because we worked from entry level to ceo without a degree and here they all come with a working knowledge, better credentials, and ambition to take my job... fark that, we've built this life for ourselves and now that generation thinks they are going to come in with their college education and take it from us? fark that, and fark them, those are our kids, and no kid of mine..."

That's something our generation heard a lot by the way "No kid of mine..."

They indoctrinated us to thinking that everything in the world was theirs, "This is my house", "You are only here because I allow it"... they expected our generation to worship them and their bank accounts, and the possessions they collected... "Look at this antique record player i found in your grandmother's basement, it's worth $10,000 and it's mine, and if i catch you anywhere near it..."

So yeah, we gen-x grew up a little bitter about it, it showed in the music of our generation... Dark, Grunge with little hope of the future because the old guard refuses to step down because they are addicted to their stuff, and their money...
 
2013-03-15 10:10:02 AM

Joe Blowme: You kow, when your generation finally grows up you will realize the problem with your thinking is eventually you will run out of other peoples money.

/Math, how does it work?


yes, totally. You really understand how we work, how economics work and clearly an entire generation doesn't want to work. I tip my hat to you

/dumbass
 
2013-03-15 10:21:13 AM

somedude210: Joe Blowme: You kow, when your generation finally grows up you will realize the problem with your thinking is eventually you will run out of other peoples money.

/Math, how does it work?

yes, totally. You really understand how we work, how economics work and clearly an entire generation doesn't want to work. I tip my hat to you

/dumbass


Great, now we have that cleared up can we agree all politicians are self serving jackasses that only care about themselves and we need term limits for all elected positions? If you doubt this, research how many millions the have now compared to when they took office? No way all of them are that lucky or good of investors, something stinks in DC and its past time to clean it out.

/bless your heart
Benny Franklin was a wise man...
//A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.
///Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.
 
2013-03-15 10:24:33 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x1050]
Save us, saggy, droopy-drawered person, you're our only hope!


I read on here someone wrote "Beiber, stop walking like an ape" and I had no idea what they were talking about.

So, I guess this is a thing, huh?
 
2013-03-15 10:27:20 AM

Joe1549: Born in '85, not slacking just annoyed.

I swear, when I was young I thought life would be fun. Maybe I watched too many cartoons, but I knew that we certainly were not working as hard as we did in the early 19th century. We've made too many gains since then. The "Great Society" was not supposed to be temporary. We should still be enlightening others, but we first need to enlighten ourselves.

Productivity per hour is not human, it is the life of a machine. Too many people think we need to work hard, when really the problem is hoarding. As I try to buy a house, a responsible action, what do I see? People with more money just buying the property with cash. Where does that leave me?

Our income inequality is a real issue. I hope we can address it. If we are to be the world's first nation. Then we should express it.

Where does that leave us? Are we the spokesmen for the future? What about adults? They have no stake in what happens?

People are so tribalistic, we need to put aside those differences and work together to achieve a greater life. Guess what? We don't know if there's an afterlife. We do know there is this life. So lets start acting like it and get our act together.


You are an adult, so make a change. Listen, I ws born in '85 as well. I have a wonderful wife, 2 beautiful sons, own a home, boat, cabin and work in a pretty good job. I hear others mention entitlement... I never finished high school, joined the military, fought across the world, took night classes for the last 6 months of my contract so I could go back to college. I bought crappy houses that were worth pretty much nothing, worked at nights to fix them and then sold them for a profit. I have worked very very hard to have what I do. Life is gloomy if you choose to see it that way, but is the best adventure imaginable.

And YOLO is true. It's a cheesy fad, but it's true. This is all we have, this is it. My greatest fear is being old and thinking that I wasted my time on earth. I'm sure I'm not alone in that fear.
 
2013-03-15 10:31:29 AM
Gotta love Thunderpipes.

"Your generation is f*cking awful and has no work ethic or sense of personal responsibility. Btw, you're also responsible for all of my problems and the inevitable failures of my children."
 
2013-03-15 10:33:09 AM

Wendy's Chili: Gotta love Thunderpipes.

"Your generation is f*cking awful and has no work ethic or sense of personal responsibility. Btw, you're also responsible for all of my problems and the inevitable failures of my children."


I kinda want to sponsor him to troll TF with a troll

/meta-trolling
 
2013-03-15 10:39:14 AM

Thunderpipes: Farce-Side: Thunderpipes: Ask a young kids today, what should be done with the debt, and if it is important.

They don't care. They cannot understand the concept. They want free stuff now, and screw everyone else. They listen to Obama, believe the BS, and are a drag on society. They have never even been backhanded for their attitude. No wonder they think they deserve everything given to them. After all, they get trophies for showing up.

You started out strong, but now you're just kind of mailing it in, basically repeating the same points.  You can do better than this.  I believe in you.

No you don't. Lies....

I have a 19 month old son. I know he will suffer terribly when he becomes a man and goes to college and try to get a job. National debt will be Greece levels or worse. White male, so he will be discriminated against wherever he goes. He will come of age in a world where most of the country is on welfare, living off loans from other countries. This is not rhetoric, but actual mathematically projected stuff. That is what pisses me off most about you liberals. Numbers staring you in the face, you just don't care even a little. 10 farking trillion in new debt from one President, with bad unemployment/underemployment and economic growth, and you all just sing praises. You seem like a cult. That directly hurts my child's future.


More like your kid will be hurt by your extremely off kilter world view.
 
2013-03-15 10:40:49 AM

robohobo: buckler: "YOLO" I know, but what the hell is "Swag"?

/old

Faux gold teef and expensive sneakers. White chicks with extensions and whore makeup. Clothes with gigantic brand names on them.  Bieber. That ugly black chick on Idol. Money for things, yet clamoring about The Man.


Ah. I'd assumed it was another acronym for something. Thx.
 
2013-03-15 10:42:46 AM

pciszek: They seem to be less interested in cars and guns, willing to move back into the cities, think its hip to bicycle around, have invented things like craigslist,


Um, about that...

Craig Alexander Newmark (born 6 December 1952) is an American Internet entrepreneur best known for being the founder of the San Francisco-based international website Craigslist. [wikipedia]
 
2013-03-15 10:43:06 AM

somedude210: Wendy's Chili: Gotta love Thunderpipes.

"Your generation is f*cking awful and has no work ethic or sense of personal responsibility. Btw, you're also responsible for all of my problems and the inevitable failures of my children."

I kinda want to sponsor him to troll TF with a troll

/meta-trolling


I've got him marked as King Troll. He is truly remarkable.
 
2013-03-15 11:05:30 AM
It's funny when people blame the economic woes on Millenials for believing in President Obama when Obama is a Boomer himself. Doesn't that make it the Boomers' fault?
 
2013-03-15 11:10:58 AM

buckler: robohobo: buckler: "YOLO" I know, but what the hell is "Swag"?

/old

Faux gold teef and expensive sneakers. White chicks with extensions and whore makeup. Clothes with gigantic brand names on them.  Bieber. That ugly black chick on Idol. Money for things, yet clamoring about The Man.

Ah. I'd assumed it was another acronym for something. Thx.


It's short for "swagger", but seems to be used for much the same thing as what "bling bling" used to be used for.
 
2013-03-15 11:23:44 AM

Oakenhelm: It's funny when people blame the economic woes on Millenials for believing in President Obama when Obama is a Boomer himself. Doesn't that make it the Boomers' fault?


Obama is not a Boomer.  He's right in the transition between Boomer and X and his mentality is far more X than Boomer.  I think they call it Generation Jones, or something.  I don't consider him a true Gen Xer, but if you read The Audacity of Hope, he clearly does not think like a Boomer.
 
2013-03-15 11:28:27 AM
So to summarize this thread my generation was awesome but these kids today suck.
 
2013-03-15 11:39:44 AM
There are many milestones in your life that remind you that you're getting older.  One key milestone is when you realize that your generation wasn't nearly as transformational as you thought.  The system has a way of taking your generations perceived strengths and turning them into tools of control.  Gen X saw the excesses of the Boomers and decided to combat the system by opting out.  Everything became a joke.  Nothing was to be taken seriously.  Your status in society was measured by how many sacred cows you slaughtered.  We thought that by mocking the system that we would take away its power.  Instead, the system turned our own cynicism against us.  It gave us Howard Stern and The Daily Show and South Park.  It bombarded us with shock jock tactics to the point where we became incapable of being shocked by even the most horrific of abuses.  It used our iconoclasm to tear down social barriers and traditions that had become inconvenient to the system.  By the time we figured out what was happening, we were buried in student loan debt and underwater mortgages and had no choice but to surrender to the system.

Our only consolation is that the Millennials have already been co-opted and they don't even realize it.  They brag about being the most wired-in generation in history and they don't even realize that they had to give up the last vestiges of privacy to achieve that.  You are now nothing more than a data point in the cloud.  Your every move is tracked, tagged and analyzed.  They know more about you than you know about yourself.  They don't even need your name because they can figure out everything about you just by analyzing your Facebook posting and Amazon shopping habits.  They gave you these awesome devices that promised to democratize humanity and instead they shuttle you off into your own isolated corner of reality where everyone agrees with you and you never have to be challenged to think.  Hundreds of thousands of useful man hours have been diverted into captioning pictures of cats and killing each other in Call of Duty.  They track your every movement and use such sophisticated methods of manipulation that you don't even realize how little freedom of choice you actually have.  They have created a system of control that George Orwell in his wildest dreams could not have imagined, and they never fired a shot.

Take consolation though.  The next generation is on their way up and they'll fall into the same traps the rest of us did.  At least you'll be able to laugh at them.
 
2013-03-15 11:43:22 AM
And their music! It's just noise!
 
2013-03-15 12:06:20 PM

buckler: Ah. I'd assumed it was another acronym for something. Thx.


In the circles I socialize in, "swag" either stands for "Scientific Wild-Ass Guess" or refers to the tacky free stuff you can acquire at trade shows and professional conferences, like a bottle opener with a company logo on it or a baby sweatshirt that says "Dependent Variable".
 
2013-03-15 12:11:23 PM

randomjsa: 18-24 year old people remain some of the most ignorant and under informed voters we have no matter who they vote for.

And in this country that's saying a lot considering the 25+ crowd isn't exactly well informed either.

But if you're expecting the "ignorant so they vote for Democrats line..." you came to the wrong post.

Fark is one of the websites that highlights the precious snow flakes entitlement mentality and people with an entitlement mentality will generally vote for Democrats. There was no better example of this than when they talked to a bunch of college/just out of college students about why they didn't have health insurance. The almost universal answer was "We shouldn't have to pay for that!"

It would take too much out of their precious 'entertainment' expenses.

So yes, the 18-24 year old crowd is entitled and wants to live a consequence free life style where they are taken care of by the government. How nice.


I'm on the high end of that generation, morsel the ones they didn't know what to with, so they dumped us with the twerps coming out of high school. I'm pro-socialized medicine, anti SS, pro equal rights, pro hate crime laws(which doesn't make everything prejudiced or a hate crime), etc. No, I have never felt entitled to a thing, moved out at 18(unlike my Xer brother). No assistance, lived, worked, dug myself a hole or twelve and climbed out on my own. Now, I have free healthcare and college because I put my time in and get to deal with the VA. So to say we're entitled or, better yet, "snowflakes" does us a gross injustice.
 
2013-03-15 12:13:27 PM

Mentat: There are many milestones in your life that remind you that you're getting older.  One key milestone is when you realize that your generation wasn't nearly as transformational as you thought.  The system has a way of taking your generations perceived strengths and turning them into tools of control.  Gen X saw the excesses of the Boomers and decided to combat the system by opting out.  Everything became a joke.  Nothing was to be taken seriously.  Your status in society was measured by how many sacred cows you slaughtered.  We thought that by mocking the system that we would take away its power.  Instead, the system turned our own cynicism against us.  It gave us Howard Stern and The Daily Show and South Park.  It bombarded us with shock jock tactics to the point where we became incapable of being shocked by even the most horrific of abuses.  It used our iconoclasm to tear down social barriers and traditions that had become inconvenient to the system.  By the time we figured out what was happening, we were buried in student loan debt and underwater mortgages and had no choice but to surrender to the system.

Our only consolation is that the Millennials have already been co-opted and they don't even realize it.  They brag about being the most wired-in generation in history and they don't even realize that they had to give up the last vestiges of privacy to achieve that.  You are now nothing more than a data point in the cloud.  Your every move is tracked, tagged and analyzed.  They know more about you than you know about yourself.  They don't even need your name because they can figure out everything about you just by analyzing your Facebook posting and Amazon shopping habits.  They gave you these awesome devices that promised to democratize humanity and instead they shuttle you off into your own isolated corner of reality where everyone agrees with you and you never have to be challenged to think.  Hundreds of thousands of useful man hours have been diverted into ca ...


I've had you favorited for a long time without a title. You have given me a title "Gen X's George Orwell"

that is a depressing thing to read
 
2013-03-15 12:16:41 PM

robohobo: Born in '79.

Consider myself Gen Y.

/as in why bother?


I was made to understand they trashed Y in favor of Millennial.
 
2013-03-15 12:17:49 PM
 
2013-03-15 12:18:41 PM
Should have put NSFW language on that, sorry.

/But it's Carlin, you should have known that already
 
2013-03-15 12:30:52 PM

Peki: xria: dickfreckle: Gen X here ( I guess - am 38). Even from a younger age I felt that I was going to bear the weight of fixing this bullsh*t. My parents and their friends basically handed us a flaming paper bag of turd and laughed at us.

So you are to blame for everything not being fixed already, slacker?

'83 here. I didn't expect everything to be fixed, but was it really too much to ask the previous generations not to break everything? Case in point is my father. My paternal grandparents were depression babies. By the time my grandfather died in 2003, he was a millionaire and left the wealth in a trust for his two grandkids (my bro and me). Less than 4 years later, my father had spent everything AND put us more than 300K in the hole by taking out an equity loan on a house that was paid off. Then he nearly lost the house three times because he took an ARM from Countrywide.

The Boomer generation has always been about "instant gratification takes too long." I seriously hope my generation takes a good hard look and learns a lesson or two.


Are you me?

That is literally almost my exact same story.  It took my dad a few years longer to go broke, and my grandfather died in 04, but my dad literally leveraged any and every asset he could, built a mountain of debt for himself, and are currently fighting the mortgage thing with the house, and my mom is leaving him for making them broke.  Thankfully their not at the point my brother and I have to bail them out of financial binds yet, though my mom is moving in with my wife and I once the divorce is final and the house is gone/sold whatever happens.

\The only thing I see the boomers as is a cautionary tale.
\\We grew up in Boca Raton, FL, so there was a serious amount of keeping up with the Joneses/maintaining an image of success going on too.
\\\Slashies come in threes.
 
2013-03-15 12:36:26 PM

Kurmudgeon: L.D. Ablo: The Boomers are fat and happy old and increasingly feeble and are not going to change their ways.

There comes a time that blaming the same old people becomes pointless.
Also, Boomer bashers generally tend to be balding 30 something wimps.
Quit whining and pull up your damn pants.


It's always comforting to have someone to blame.   Apparently, all baby-boomers were straight, white, males who simply breezed through life selfishly ruining things FOREVER.
 
2013-03-15 12:37:09 PM
The author makes a great point about the younger kids being willing to "go around" governmental solutions.

csb/

A few years ago, when I lived in a different state, I saw a neighborhood kid (about 20 years old) on a Sunday morning with a bunch of his friends outside. They were gathering around with a bunch of rakes and garbage bags, and looked ready to do some kind of work. So I say "Hey, Brandon! What's going on?" He tells me "I've been calling the parks department for months to clean up the trash in _local park_, and they never do anything. So we're going to do it ourselves. Do you wanna help?" I say "Sure I do! Lemme make a few calls, I bet I can get twice the people you have now."

So, we went to the park, cleaned up all the garbage: beer cans, broken fishing equipment, all kinds of stuff. It took us about three hours, but we had that place spotless and we had a great time doing it. Went to the local pizza joint afterwards, and were treated to lunch by the owner who liked what we had done. (The park was across the street from his restaurant, and he invited us all over when he saw what we were doing.)

Perhaps shamed, the parks department took better care of the place after that, the lazy bastards.

/end csb

tl;dr - Don't junk up our public spaces, and if you see someone else's trash, pick it up.
 
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