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2013-03-15 07:49:08 AM
So swag is like the old swag? pirate treasure.
Fiscal policy is so boring. SS, medicare, a bankrupt system that's totally farked.                                      Would someone just end the drug war, like now.
 
2013-03-15 07:53:48 AM

StopKing: So swag is like the old swag? pirate treasure.
Fiscal policy is so boring. SS, medicare, a bankrupt system that's totally farked.                                      Would someone just end the drug war, like now.


Hey, look who's still parroting bullsh*t about Social Security.

Why Social Secruity Cannot Go Bankrupt
 
2013-03-15 07:54:53 AM

Abacus9: Allow me to adjust my onion belt while I explain what's REALLY wrong with Gen Y. It's their music. In my day we had real music: grunge. Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins (whiny emo shoegaze grunge, but still alright when Billy Corgan wasn't raggin' it). Nirvana and Pearl Jam were never truly grunge by the way. Nowadays we got what? Fun., Death Cab for Curie? All garbage. I still listen to grunge while I rock my ripped jeans, flannel shirt over an old and faded black rock T-shirt (not a "tee" by the way) and stomp my Doc Martens to the beat of whatever Candlebox tune happens to be playing (on CD, no ipod) on my tiny little $15 boombox from Meijer. And I ain't gonna be outshined by no lousy Millenial.


Cool story bro. I can't tell if you're serious though. Tell me what the difference is between your self described persona and the old, wrinkly bleach blond haired weirdos who can't get enough of 80s hair metal? You basically chugged all the kool aid from the 90s that you could get your hands on.
 
2013-03-15 08:02:21 AM
Teacher here.

Boomers have made an absolute mess of everything (obviously).  I long ago accepted that my generation (X) wasn't going to be able to fix it.  Not because we don't want to, but because the generation before us has complete political control over everything and our generation is too small to wrest it away from them.

I've always viewed generation X as a hold-the-wall group.  We just need to help keep the overwhelming pile of shiat from the Boomers from collapsing on everyone else -- our hope is that this will allow subsequent generations to start making repairs -- until the Boomers start disappearing.

Unfortunately, there's some things that have got me very worried...

1) Millenials don't know how to create anything.  All they do is use shiat.  You guys were supposed be computer geniuses.  Instead, you're mostly just tech fanboys.  Please, be chemists that create new stuff, not pathetic drug addicts.  Note: I partly blame the Evil Apple Empire for this.

2)  You suck at multi-tasking.  Don't take it too hard, everyone sucks at multi-tasking.  The problem is you _think_ you're good at multi-tasking -- and, if I haven't made this clear enough -- you're not.  Stop doing it and focus on one thing.  Because you suck when you split your attention.

3)  Kinda as an addedum to part I, you didn't have anything to do with the rise of Internet (except maybe that you use stuff that other people created on the Internet).  Now, go out and create something

Having said that, I do think the younger generations are crazy smart, and they're way more politically aware than I'd ever expected.  I do have a measure of faith that if we keep the Great Boomer Poo Pile at bay for a while longer, perhaps the Millenials will start actually building stuff.  But, I'm worried ...
 
2013-03-15 08:07:14 AM
As a millennial (born '89) and apparently an echo-boomer (parents born in '51) I gotta tell you, this crap about what you guys perceive us as nothing but a bunch of whiny snowflakes that demand everything is a bit disingenuous.

The Gen. X'ers created the special snowflake syndrome, but we go to our parents for advice, not to fight our battles. Unlike you old, pissy guys, our parents actually offered advice and gave us methods as to how we should go about fixing the problem and not just tell us to "figure it out on your own"

There are a great deal of people in my generation that realize that Gen. X dropped the ball to fix the Boomer's mess, so instead of the generational task of fixing the previous generation's mistakes, we now have the monumental task of doing what the Gen X'ers botched and fix the problems that are now engrained in the system.

Millennials are very much open minded, very secular in general, and still see the world with a bit of naivety as to how we can perfect it, and there's nothing wrong with it. We want to fix the world. We want to take command of our own lives. We want to fix what hasn't been fixed. You're seeing that transition worldwide. Look at the failed green revolution in Iran in 2009, the Arab Spring revolutions, the calls for reform in Europe. The Occupy Wall St. movement. You guys farked us all over and we're fighting back. There are real problems and the millennials are the ones willing to fight to fix it.

Are we idealistic? Yes, but idealism is how we progress as a species. Idealism is what it takes to push a country forward. And I'm sorry if the years of working in the corporate world has made you disillusioned with what it takes to be idealistic, I'm sorry if you've given up on what it takes to get all of us, all of us, to the place we need to be at, but if you're not willing to care about anyone else but yourselves, and if you're not willing to give a damn about anyone including yourself, then it's time that a generation takes up the mantle of social and economic change for the better. It's my generation that has to live with your mistakes and if we resent you for it, so be it, but we're gonna be the ones that fix the crap so that future generations don't have to live with failures of the Baby Boomers and the apathy of the Gen X'ers
 
2013-03-15 08:11:25 AM

ChickenMcBastard: I have no expectation for SS to exist by the time I retire (around 65...probably a little longer) and  have no gripes about raising the SS retirement age, limiting the annual benefit increase percentage


Then Pete Peterson's multi-billion dollar propoganda campaign is working.

The only way SS benefits go away or turn into useless pocket change is if we let them. The program is as strong as it's support. Right now that's pretty f*cking strong. But if enough people internalize what they hear from Joe Scarborough and the Washington Post day-in and day-out it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Don't fall for it.
 
2013-03-15 08:17:26 AM

UNC_Samurai: Perhaps we are on the cusp of the Republican Party falling apart and and whatever emerges from the ashes will be a great force for progress.


Led by farkers like you and me.

...okay me at least

/vote Somedude/UNC_Samurai '36
 
2013-03-15 08:20:21 AM
I was born in 84 and will admit to a lot of snowflakeism within my age group. However, like every other generation that has crapped on this earth, there are exceptions and the exceptions typically shine and take the leadership roles. I'm all about caring for one another without enabling a culture of freebies. I'm also about hard work and not expecting anything from others.
We all know life isn't fair but I've noticed, even with people who are 5 years younger than me, a sense of entitlement that totally baffles me. If they make it through an interview (and that's a BIG if) and do the bare minimum of their job description they want a farking trophy and a pat on the back. "hey boss, I made it to work today, aren't you proud?" Not sure whats going on here but I suspect it's got a lot to do with the end of competition in school and the participation medal crowd.
 
2013-03-15 08:24:57 AM
Life isn't fair.
Life will never be fair.
Life sucks get a helmet....but then again there's always Jesus, he seems pretty cool.
 
2013-03-15 08:36:03 AM
literally every generation in history has seen the next younger generation as out of control entitled "precious snowflakes" including the generation that came before you. yes you. hth
 
2013-03-15 08:45:36 AM
I feel like this Op-Ed piece puts waaaaay too much faith in those idiots.  They just want everyone to be dtf so they can spend less on molly and take pictures of it.
 
2013-03-15 08:45:47 AM

Sneakernets: I'll say a few things about the millenials. They gave us Occupy. Percent lingo is what made a campaign and broke another.


So shiatting on cop cars and rape free tents are now gifts? Jealousy of others hard work is not a good thing.
 
2013-03-15 08:45:57 AM
We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese!
 
2013-03-15 08:48:33 AM

deanis: You basically chugged all the kool aid from the 90s that you could get your hands on


WRONG.  Ecto-cooler HiC.
 
2013-03-15 08:50:06 AM

somedude210: but we're gonna be the ones that fix the crap so that future generations don't have to live with failures of the Baby Boomers and the apathy of the Gen X'ers


You better start by cleaning out the house and senate of the hair dyed fossilized career politicians

/what ever hapened to By the people, for the people, of the people?
 
2013-03-15 08:50:45 AM

kimmygibblershomework: I feel like this Op-Ed piece puts waaaaay too much faith in those idiots.  They just want everyone to be dtf so they can spend less on molly and take pictures of it.


are you sure you're not looking at teenagers and seeing teenagers acting like teenagers?
 
2013-03-15 08:52:48 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk
Save us, saggy, droopy-drawered person, you're our only hope!
 
2013-03-15 08:52:57 AM
www.thatericalper.com

/oblig?
 
2013-03-15 08:53:27 AM

Joe Blowme: Sneakernets: I'll say a few things about the millenials. They gave us Occupy. Percent lingo is what made a campaign and broke another.

So shiatting on cop cars and rape free tents are now gifts? Jealousy of others hard work is not a good thing.


You didn't do hard work alone. EVERYBODY deserves credit for any hard work that was done, especially the people who were stressed out by the fact that you were doing hard work and they weren't, because they knew you would resent them slacking off while you worked.

/Galt didn't put that metal in the ground! What's so great about him digging it up and making factories out of it?
//But sir, the metal was always there... why didn't somebody other than Galt make factories out of it?
///Well... because GALT CHEATED! He stole from us the inventions that were ours by birthright!
 
2013-03-15 08:54:37 AM

Farce-Side: deanis: You basically chugged all the kool aid from the 90s that you could get your hands on

WRONG.  Ecto-cooler HiC.


HiC ftw, also had this...

www.bigbadtoystore.com
 
2013-03-15 08:55:58 AM
 
2013-03-15 08:56:02 AM

deanis: Farce-Side: deanis: You basically chugged all the kool aid from the 90s that you could get your hands on

WRONG.  Ecto-cooler HiC.

HiC ftw, also had this...

[www.bigbadtoystore.com image 320x240]


This was one of my favorites:

ebid.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-03-15 08:57:32 AM
Dumb article, from a liberal rag, makes no sense.

Kids vote for Obama because they have been indoctrinated all their lives in public schools. More and more of their parents are non-working scumbags. They want free stuff, and everyone should pay taxes but them. That is how young people thing, period. Lazy, entitled, spoiled little bastards that would just assume shoot up a school as get a job.
 
2013-03-15 08:57:34 AM

Joe Blowme: You better start by cleaning out the house and senate of the hair dyed fossilized career politicians


Already planning that.

Joe Blowme: /what ever hapened to By the people, for the people, of the people?


it took a brief hibernation but don't worry, we're bringing it back
 
2013-03-15 08:58:06 AM

L.D. Ablo: Doubtful.  Millennial precious snowflakes can't handle conflict and treat strong opinions as if they were hate crimes.  They cry their little eyes out, call you a bully and think that will shame you into being nice.  Go see how that strategy works against Big Oil or a Too-Big-To-Fail Bank.

The Boomers are fat and happy and are not going to change their ways.

Gen X will end up mucking it out in the trenches to make things work again.  Then the Millennials will take all the credit and pretend like it was their idea all along.


Pretty much been our spot since the start. The trough between two massive waves of suck.
 
2013-03-15 08:59:42 AM

Thunderpipes: Kids vote for Obama because they have been indoctrinated all their lives in public schools. More and more of their parents are non-working scumbags. They want free stuff, and everyone should pay taxes but them. That is how young people thing, period. Lazy, entitled, spoiled little bastards that would just assume shoot up a school as get a job.


I'm gonna hope you're trolling, but I'm gonna assume you're just an idiot. You have no idea what my generation is like. You only know what your generation tells you about what people like me are all about.

/and you wonder why we stick you in old-folks homes
 
2013-03-15 09:00:19 AM
I'm a gen-xer and I teach at a university- a very large one- so I have a lot of contact with the 18-24 yo crowd. You know what? They're great. They're mostly pleasant, smart (well...at least a standard distribution applies), and contrary to what everyone says, I do not get the impression that they feel entitled. Some do, of course, but every generation has those. Yes, they are ambitious, they have unrealistic expectations and they're totally unprepared. But seriously- who ever had everything figured out at 23? I trust them more than I trust the boomers not to totally fark everything up when they get to the point where they're running things.

But you never know, do you? Ideals and intentions are wonderful, until you realize that nothing is ever easy, nothing is cut and dried, and what once looked like tractable solutions to untenable situations are, in reality, too hopelessly simple for the incredible complexity of the problem.
 
2013-03-15 09:03:18 AM

Thunderpipes: Dumb article, from a liberal rag, makes no sense.

Kids vote for Obama because they have been indoctrinated all their lives in public schools. More and more of their parents are non-working scumbags. They want free stuff, and everyone should pay taxes but them. That is how young people thing, period. Lazy, entitled, spoiled little bastards that would just assume shoot up a school as get a job.


You sir are perhaps the single biggest troll on Fark. Go yell at another cloud, asshole.
 
2013-03-15 09:04:03 AM

Sgygus: According to generational theory, the Millennials are supposed to be a civic-minded cohort (like the 'greatest generation') that will work together for the common good.

Sounds good in theory, I hope it comes to pass.


As a millenial, all I can say is we (probably) can't screw things up worse than the boomers who are currently in power.  Might as well let us try.
 
2013-03-15 09:04:04 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x1050]
Save us, saggy, droopy-drawered person, you're our only hope!


That look went out of style in the eighties.  Who wears a hoodie that says "Fink Rolfpin" anymore.  Seriously.
 
2013-03-15 09:04:18 AM

somedude210: Thunderpipes: Kids vote for Obama because they have been indoctrinated all their lives in public schools. More and more of their parents are non-working scumbags. They want free stuff, and everyone should pay taxes but them. That is how young people thing, period. Lazy, entitled, spoiled little bastards that would just assume shoot up a school as get a job.

I'm gonna hope you're trolling, but I'm gonna assume you're just an idiot. You have no idea what my generation is like. You only know what your generation tells you about what people like me are all about.

/and you wonder why we stick you in old-folks homes


Did you vote for Obama? Then I know exactly what you are about, punish hard work, reward laziness with money in exchange for a vote.
 
2013-03-15 09:04:29 AM
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-15 09:07:41 AM

verbaltoxin: StopKing: So swag is like the old swag? pirate treasure.
Fiscal policy is so boring. SS, medicare, a bankrupt system that's totally farked.                                      Would someone just end the drug war, like now.

Hey, look who's still parroting bullsh*t about Social Security.

Why Social Secruity Cannot Go Bankrupt


Which basically says something we all agree on: Social Security can't go bankrupt without destroying the economy and our system of government.

/problem is, that's not the same as "impossible"
//and to the Millennials, destroying an economy that expects people to work to support it and a government that was invented by boring dead racist white guys makes it a win-win situation
 
2013-03-15 09:08:31 AM

Tatterdemalian: Joe Blowme: Sneakernets: I'll say a few things about the millenials. They gave us Occupy. Percent lingo is what made a campaign and broke another.

So shiatting on cop cars and rape free tents are now gifts? Jealousy of others hard work is not a good thing.

You didn't do hard work alone. EVERYBODY deserves credit for any hard work that was done, especially the people who were stressed out by the fact that you were doing hard work and they weren't, because they knew you would resent them slacking off while you worked.

/Galt didn't put that metal in the ground! What's so great about him digging it up and making factories out of it?
//But sir, the metal was always there... why didn't somebody other than Galt make factories out of it?
///Well... because GALT CHEATED! He stole from us the inventions that were ours by birthright!


Sounds about right
 
2013-03-15 09:09:25 AM

Thunderpipes: Did you vote for Obama? Then I know exactly what you are about, punish hard work, reward laziness with money in exchange for a vote.


Hahahahaha, yes that's why those red states have some of the highest welfare recipients, right? Those are just filled with democrats, right?

You know who takes in the highest amount of welfare? White, trailer-trash yokels from the deep south. You got a problem with those who want government money, then look to your own voter pool.

but explain to me how I am punishing hard work? Are you saying that 52% of the people in this country don't work? That's a vastly different unemployment number than what actually exists.
 
2013-03-15 09:09:31 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Sgygus: According to generational theory, the Millennials are supposed to be a civic-minded cohort (like the 'greatest generation') that will work together for the common good.

Sounds good in theory, I hope it comes to pass.

As a millenial, all I can say is we (probably) can't screw things up worse than the boomers who are currently in power.  Might as well let us try.


You are barely literate (how are our schools doing?). You cannot do anything without an IPhone/pad/tampon. You have no discipline, no honor, and you envy anyone who made money, want to see them fall. You take no responsibility for your actions at all. In short, you will fail, and drag the entire country down with you. When you cannot find a job after college, you will blame Bush, still. When the national debt is 150% of GDP around 2025, you will blame Bush. When my son, who is not yet 2, goes to college and the country is in shambles, I will rightly blame you.
 
2013-03-15 09:10:30 AM
Prank Call of Cthulhu:
Save us, saggy, droopy-drawered person, you're our only hope!

He is Canadian so no elected office for the Beib
 
2013-03-15 09:15:21 AM
"The millennial Generation Can Lead Us Out of Gridlock"

That's some nice wishful thinking you got there.

The whole party over country, North Vs. South, Red Team Vs. Blue Team mentality isn't going away anytime soon.
 
2013-03-15 09:16:04 AM
They'll turn out fine, except for the ones that don't.  Just like we did.
 
2013-03-15 09:19:58 AM
S'funny... most of the people I hear damning the millenials for "swag" and "YOLO" are from the same generation that invented AOL-speak.

/not that "swag" and "YOLO" aren't incredibly stupid
//just seems like kind of a broad brush, you know?
 
2013-03-15 09:20:38 AM
I thought "swag" meant bad grass.  Oh wait, that's "schwag", isn't it.

Thunderpipes: spoiled little bastards that would just assume shoot up a school as get a job.


Nice eggcorn there, pal.  Too bad about the rest of your post.

/"just as soon"
 
2013-03-15 09:21:41 AM
I really dislike articles that draw most of their philosophical and political inferences from the stuff people buy and the websites they use.
 
2013-03-15 09:22:44 AM
Ask a young kids today, what should be done with the debt, and if it is important.

They don't care. They cannot understand the concept. They want free stuff now, and screw everyone else. They listen to Obama, believe the BS, and are a drag on society. They have never even been backhanded for their attitude. No wonder they think they deserve everything given to them. After all, they get trophies for showing up.
 
2013-03-15 09:23:00 AM
Whenever I think of the Millenials taking over this quote pops up in my head

Richard Vernon: You think about this: when you get old, these kids - when *I* get old - they're going to be running the country.
Carl: Yeah.
Richard Vernon: Now this is the thought that wakes me up in the middle of the night. That when I get older, these kids are going to take care of me.
Carl: I wouldn't count on it.
 
2013-03-15 09:23:42 AM

L.D. Ablo: Look, I don't hate Millennials. Most are friendly and have some good qualities. They want to please people, are almost never racist or homophobic, care deeply, and want to do the right thing.

The problem is that Millennials have had endless adult supervision and always have an authority figure to appeal to. I grew up with free-range children and my parents were happy when i wasn't around. Fistfights didn't bring the police and were a way to settle problems.

DDOS attacks and Reddit butthurt won't change anything. It's going to be dirty and bloody.


I think you might be surprised at how willing this "millennial" generation will be in another 8 to 10 years to just burn the whole damn world down.  The one thing I've noticed about them, and you have echoes of it in your assessment, is this weird balance of patience beyond measure, and astounding impatience.  Things moved *very* fast for anyone born after about 1982.  On the one hand, this gives kids growing up in that period a perspective that is encouraged about the possibility of changing from one day to the next, but discouraged about the possibility of changing overall.

You look at the Occupy business, and you can get all hoity toy and say they didn't accomplish anything (I'd disagree but that's besides the point).  But they stuck it out in the cold when people said they'd go crying home.  They got pepper sprayed, kicked, hit with shiat and the entire time people said they were stupid, made up lies about them, complained about their lack of structure.  And they never cowed to those complaints, fought all the lies publicly until it was clear they weren't going to get a fair shake and then retreated back to the internet to organize there.

I see a generation that isn't afraid to get its hands dirty.  A generation that is willing to share and develop ideas and get creative.  And despite your concerns, a generation that has no qualms about sticking their necks out.

Of course, we also see a generation that is being portrayed, as all that came before it were portrayed, as weak, disorganized, frivolous, directionless, feckless, fools who don't know how good they've got it.

/I subscribe to the generational cycle theory.
//And the millennials happen to be just in time to be the Heroes.
 
2013-03-15 09:26:30 AM

Tatterdemalian: You didn't do hard work alone. EVERYBODY deserves credit for any hard work that was done, especially the people who were stressed out by the fact that you were doing hard work and they weren't, because they knew you would resent them slacking off while you worked.

/Galt didn't put that metal in the ground! What's so great about him digging it up and making factories out of it?
//But sir, the metal was always there... why didn't somebody other than Galt make factories out of it?
///Well... because GALT CHEATED! He stole from us the inventions that were ours by birthright!


Riiiiiiiiiiight... so did Galt mine the ore, refine the metal, mold the parts, transport the parts to the site, draw up the blueprints, construct the buildings, construct the blueprints, design the products, assemble the products, market the products, and deliver the products all by himself, without using anything anybody else had made?

/and since we're on the subject, the fact that Rand had to have Galt invent a freaking perpetual motion machine to make the plot work should tell you how unrealistic it is.
 
2013-03-15 09:26:53 AM

randomjsa: 18-24 year old people remain some of the most ignorant and under informed voters we have no matter who they vote for.

And in this country that's saying a lot considering the 25+ crowd isn't exactly well informed either.

But if you're expecting the "ignorant so they vote for Democrats line..." you came to the wrong post.

Fark is one of the websites that highlights the precious snow flakes entitlement mentality and people with an entitlement mentality will generally vote for Democrats. There was no better example of this than when they talked to a bunch of college/just out of college students about why they didn't have health insurance. The almost universal answer was "We shouldn't have to pay for that!"

It would take too much out of their precious 'entertainment' expenses.

So yes, the 18-24 year old crowd is entitled and wants to live a consequence free life style where they are taken care of by the government. How nice.


I work full time, spend $30 at most on entertainment each month, and am living paycheck to paycheck largely because I have enormous medical bills.

It could be that I favor "socialized" medicine because I see firsthand that our current system hurts the working class and is untenable in the long term. However, so long as you can "stick it to the libs", I doubt you care about reality.
 
2013-03-15 09:28:04 AM

Thunderpipes: Ask a young kids today, what should be done with the debt, and if it is important.

They don't care. They cannot understand the concept. They want free stuff now, and screw everyone else. They listen to Obama, believe the BS, and are a drag on society. They have never even been backhanded for their attitude. No wonder they think they deserve everything given to them. After all, they get trophies for showing up.


You started out strong, but now you're just kind of mailing it in, basically repeating the same points.  You can do better than this.  I believe in you.
 
2013-03-15 09:36:34 AM

Oldiron_79: L.D. Ablo: Doubtful.  Millennial precious snowflakes can't handle conflict and treat strong opinions as if they were hate crimes.  They cry their little eyes out, call you a bully and think that will shame you into being nice.  Go see how that strategy works against Big Oil or a Too-Big-To-Fail Bank.

The Boomers are fat and happy and are not going to change their ways.

Gen X will end up mucking it out in the trenches to make things work again.  Then the Millennials will take all the credit and pretend like it was their idea all along.

This


www.people-press.org
www.pewresearch.org

Yeah, you guys sure have had a good track record.
 
2013-03-15 09:36:38 AM
Interesting article.  I fall at the very beginning of the millennials or the very end of the Xs.

The millennials definitely have a better chance at changing things than the Xs.  The Xs are too self-absorbed about how they got screwed by the boomers (they did) to be able to do much good.  They've spent their entire lives waiting for the boomers to get out of the way so they can have their piece of the pie.

The millennials that are significantly younger than me are still too young to really know what impact they'll have, but they realize that the great government social contract is not necessarily ironclad, which leaves them trying to bake their own pie rather than trying to get a piece of the boomer's pie.  They've shown innovation and networking that is greater than anything the Xs have achieved.

I'm not sure that they'll actually change anything, but they're probably the best bet at this point.
 
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