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2013-03-14 11:40:21 PM

ox45tallboy: jigger: cameroncrazy1984: jigger: TopoGigo: Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society.

Was there not a civil society before 1913?

Psst. There was an income tax before 1913.

Not really. There was kind of one during the civil war, but it was really low and not easily collected. They tried again for a couple of years in the 1890s but then it was ruled unconstitutional. But really the rates were something like 3%. It was really low starting out in 1913 too, like 1% on most people. It didn't take long to ramp up to pay for WWI. So world war was the civil society you got out of the income tax.

Comparing the US pre-WWII (say, 1939) and post-WWII (1955 or so, after the first batch of GI Bill recipients had graduated from college and been at their jobs for a few years), I think most people would agree that was money well spent.


Immorally collected, spent killing millions, but hey the US won the wars, so we got the loot, so we had that going for us.
 
2013-03-14 11:42:18 PM

CorporatePerson: The only humor the guy understands is being a dick


static4.businessinsider.com
"I like being able to fire people."
 
2013-03-14 11:43:55 PM

BarkingUnicorn: TopoGigo: BarkingUnicorn: I wouldn't change the progressive tax system. But don't pretend it doesn't penalize the earning of more money.

Seriously? Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society. If you don't agree with how we split the brackets, let's argue about that. If you think they're too high because we spend too much, let's argue about that, too. If you think they shouldn't be progressive, I think you're an idiot, but I'll have that argument too. But if you seriously consider income tax to be a "penalty on working harder", then you're dancing into Tea Party fractal wrongness territory.

Did you miss my very first sentence even though you quoted it above?  If you earn more money, your marginal tax rate goes up.  You keep less of the additional money that you earn.  That's a penalty.  Take the bad with the good but don't pretend that bad is good; it makes you look foolish or dishonest.


Words have connotations as well as denotations. It's not a penalty. Yes, it's true that for each $10k you gross, you net less. This is not done to penalize higher earners*; it's done to keep the lower earners from starving to death. It's also done for pragmatic reasons. The money taxed from low-income workers comes from money they would be spending. The money taxed from high-income workers comes from money they would be hoarding. Thus, it's better for the economy to tax higher earners more. Whether it's more fair to do so is a matter of opinion, but I think the overwhelming weight of evidence falls on the side of it being more fair.

*Yes, we often talk about taxing the rich as punishment, or their just deserts. This is merely venting at the appalling income and opportunity inequality in this country. Almost nobody really believes that we should punish people just for being rich.
 
2013-03-14 11:44:48 PM

DustBunny: Kuta: I always figured that $1/drink (even for a free glass of water) was a fair enough tip unless you're really drinking top shelf liquor. And that's of course not if you're running up a tab then standard rates apply.

Really? You have to tip for each drink? Why don't you just increase the price of the drink by $1 and pay the bartender properly? I really don't get it...

All this bother, stress, biatchiness, pettiness and hate for non-tippers just because you allow restaurant and bar management to outsource their HR to you...

/I've worked kitchen and bar, never got tips, never did a poorer job because of it as I was paid properly to do a  proper job and never felt the petty need to give someone lesser service because they didn't pay me extra.


Oh, it gets better!  Servers are expected to share  their tips with the back-end staff, so the employer doesn't have to pay the latter more than minimum wage.  Laws forbid employers from requiring such tip-sharing, but if you're a server who doesn't share with coworkers, you probably won't last long.

Tipping is insanely complex and contentious here in the good ol' USA.  The bottom line is that employers get to externalize a good chunk of their labor costs.
 
2013-03-14 11:44:56 PM

jigger: Immorally collected, spent killing millions, but hey the US won the wars, so we got the loot, so we had that going for us.


I'm not about to bother debating anyone on the moral reasons for entering WWII. However, I think it is the last "war" that we've been majorly involved in for which we had true moral justification.

Also, there is no way you can possibly believe that we made money on that deal.
 
2013-03-14 11:46:41 PM
kfmb.images.worldnow.com
"I'm not concerned about the very poor, there is a safety net there."
 
2013-03-14 11:48:42 PM
www1.pictures.zimbio.com
"I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners."
 
2013-03-14 11:49:08 PM
At least Romney didn't break the bartender's finger like this asshole did to his waiter.
 
2013-03-14 11:51:33 PM
s1.reutersmedia.net
"Planned Parenthood, we're going to get rid of that."
 
2013-03-14 11:51:58 PM

ox45tallboy: I'd rather get 15% from a kind and courteous person than 20% from an asshole. (Okay, if the rent was due, I might be willing to take some abuse for a few extra bucks, but you know what I mean.)


Heh! Reminds me of a shirt I used to wear at strip clubs during the first week of a month:

www.foulmouthshirts.com
 
2013-03-14 11:52:04 PM

Speaker2Animals: Parthenogenetic: But regardless, the LDS church forbids tea and coffee, not caffeine per se.  Caffeine use is not encouraged, perhaps, but it is not forbidden.

Typical hair-splitting religious gobbledegook. How this religion survived the translation of the Rosetta Stone is one of life's great mysteries -- right up there with why people making less than a million dollars ever vote Republican.


The only reason sodas are allowed is because Mormons own Pepsi. So not just typical gobbledegook, but hypocrisy as well.
 
2013-03-14 11:53:52 PM

CorporatePerson: I liked when he made fun of the NASCAR guys wearing ponchos out in the rain. "I like those fancy raincoats you bought. Really sprung for the big bucks." Romney was practically a Disney villain.


Jesus Christ!  How has he kept all of his teeth for so long???
 
2013-03-14 11:54:18 PM
True story --

My mom ran the foodservice at a university in Pennsylvania when Bill Clinton was running for his second term. He was doing a speech at the college and was going to eat there.

Thing was, none of the wait staff actually got to take the food in to the prez. They weren't going to have a chance to meet him (and personally, regardless of politics, it is kind of cool to meet the president).

Anyway, before they sent dessert in, which was some fruit thing, my mom (OK...and you may thing this totally crazy, but it's absolutely true) took a banana with the "Dole" sticker still on it and put it on the plate with a note underneath on a napkin that said "Hope this Dole makes your day".

But, she didn't hear anything. She and the rest of the staff were really disappointed that they weren't going to meet Bill. In the meantime, my mom struck up a conversation with one of the security detail (my mom was gregarious and exceptionally likable) and eventually told him that she was disappointed that she didn't get to meet Bill.

Apparently, this got back to the prez. He jumped out of the back of his limo and into the kitchen, secret service in tow trying to catch him. He barked, "Who's the lady who put this banana on my plate?"

Mom started laughing and they chatted for a minute. I have a FANTASTIC picture of her, Bill, the executive chef and the head server (which I won't post).

That's why Bill got elected. He's a charmer to the core and, from what I've heard, a genuinely nice guy.

//True Story
//RIP momsie
 
2013-03-14 11:54:49 PM
static.globalgrind.com
"Ann Drives a couple of Cadillacs!"
 
2013-03-14 11:55:33 PM

ox45tallboy: [kfmb.images.worldnow.com image 512x326]
"I'm not concerned about the very poor, there is a safety net there."


That was one of the best lines from the 47% video. "It's not my job to care about those people."

That's what makes me love this story so much. This destroyed Romney precisely because there was no chicanery behind it. It wasn't a James O' Keefe hack job or an organized swiftboat attack. It was just Romney being Romney. An incredibly powerful man giving his best sales pitch to some of the most powerful people in the country. A fascinating glimpse into how the powerful view the rest of the country.

And Romney was such an insulated twerp that it took him weeks to take it back. Also because a good chunk of the Republican Party gave him a big thumbs up and said "You do man Mitt! HATE THE POOR HARDER!"
 
2013-03-14 11:56:31 PM
If the rest of it didn't convince you, the whole deal regarding tea and coffee should be proof enough that Mormonism is an insane religion.

Hot drinks? Turns out they're okay.
Caffeinated drinks? Yeah, they're okay too.
Hot caffeinated drinks? No, that mixture releases evil spirits apparently.

Whackadoodle.
 
2013-03-14 11:57:24 PM

ox45tallboy: TopoGigo: I personally believe that we're pretty stupid about how we spend our money, and I'd like a top-down reboot of what our government does for us.

That's definitely something to discuss. The Constitution has been in effect longer than any other existing government on the planet. Many newly forming (or re-forming) nations are no longer using the US Constitution as a basis for their own Constitution, as they feel there are better ways of doing things. The most commonly used framework nowadays is actually the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

It's obvious that what's happening now cannot sustain itself. We've had disagreement before, but right now the minority party refuses to allow the country to be run unless they get their way. Perhaps we do need consider a top-down change in our government.


I don't think we need a top-down reform of our system of government. Our system is a pretty good one as far as such things go. Sure, the concept of semi-autonomous "states" under a federal compact is pretty outdated, but the reality of states' rights fades nearly in time with the need for them. We need real, honest-to-god campaign finance reform, and a few rules changes in the governing bodies, but the system itself is way better than we deserve. After all, it's not like that many of us actually vote, and the most of the ones who do don't have any idea who they're voting for.

I'd really like a change in the basic philosophy of what the government does. I believe that the government should protect the interests of the common man against the abuses of those with money and power. I believe it should regulate the markets in such a way that they're as free as possible. Free markets without monopoly, or tax incentives, or market subsidies without a clear policy goal that's actually needed. Basically, I believe that our government currently fails at its core responsibilities, and then spends way too much money on band-aids to hide the fact that they're allowing the rich to steal from the poor, and the powerful to steal from the weak. Everything we do costs more than it should because we're letting the Mongol Hordes pillage before they rape.
 
2013-03-14 11:58:18 PM

ox45tallboy: freetomato: I left a story or two on BW myself. I waited tables through college. Then, when divorcing a man that almost bankcrupted me, I worked 20+ hrs a week (plus my 40 hr/wk gig at the corporate HQ of a bank and military reserves) at a very pricey, upscale place. Most of the guests were classy and generous. Others clearly thought I was just some moron incapable of having a "real" job and were snobbish and dismissive, not to mention stingy. I always tip well, and say please and thank you. I was always grateful of guests who treated me civilly and I too base a good part of my character assessment on how one treats "the help".

I'd rather get 15% from a kind and courteous person than 20% from an asshole. (Okay, if the rent was due, I might be willing to take some abuse for a few extra bucks, but you know what I mean.)


Absolutely know what you mean. I waited on actor Richard Dysart, Jeremy McGrath (very wealthy former Supercross champ, now dipping into NASCAR), Frank Hannon from the band Tesla, and a half dozen athletes from the Falcons and the Hawks. All were very nice and tipped 30% or up. All in all though, the best were those who were probably lower on the income scale - sweet people and I wanted them to enjoy their meal and didn't stress if their tip wasn't huge. The real dicks I enmcountered were those that thought treating me like shiat would impress somebody. I sensed more than once, from the looks on their faces, that their dates were appalled.

Sorry for the wall quote - on mobile.
 
2013-03-15 12:00:02 AM
talkingpointsmemo.com
"The answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home!"
 
2013-03-15 12:04:16 AM
assets.rollingstone.com
"No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less."
 
2013-03-15 12:08:32 AM

BarkingUnicorn: At least Romney didn't break the bartender's finger like this asshole did to his waiter.


At the classy place I worked, I had some jerk elbow me in the kidney hard as I loaded a tray of drinks because I had the audacity to have an edge on my voice the 6th farking time I had to ask him to move away from the brass rails at the bar. I didn't spill a drop, which was probably his intent. I did, however call the manager amd would have pressed charges had he not dashed out like the cowardly weasel he was. Nouveau rich dickhead.
 
2013-03-15 12:09:02 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Oh, it gets better! Servers are expected to share their tips with the back-end staff, so the employer doesn't have to pay the latter more than minimum wage.


That's not true everywhere. I try very hard never to go to a restaurant that steals their wait staff's tips. *cough* (applebee's) *cough* Encouraging a small tip-out to one bus-boy or hostess who busts his/her ass to clear the tables the c*nts refuse to prebus is a good strategy to encourage proper teamwork, but it should never exceed single-digit percentages of their tips, and it should never be more than one staff member per shift. I also try to avoid places whose plate price and section size are set up so the wait staff can't ever make good tips. I absolutely don't want to be served by someone making less than $15/hr. I say this even as a professional cook who has never made the kind of money that the servers make. What I buy with my tip is the will to serve. In a world without tips, every restaurant is McDonald's.
 
2013-03-15 12:09:53 AM
assets.rollingstone.com
"As president, I will create 12 million new jobs."


45 minutes later....

i2.cdn.turner.com
"Government does not create jobs. Government does not create jobs."
 
2013-03-15 12:13:59 AM
Relevant: Link
 
2013-03-15 12:14:10 AM

freetomato: the brass rails at the bar


Maybe you can answer this. There is a name for that space between the vertical rails at a bar. Some places keep it free for cocktail waitresses to pick up drinks, but places without floor staff or shot girls reserve it for customers not lucky enough to get a barstool to form a line for drinks. I swear I used to know the name for it, but it's completely fallen out of my brain. I've searched the googles many times with no luck. My faulty brain keeps telling me that it's a "well", but I know I'm conflating the bottom shelf of liquor with the space reserved around the judge's bench in court. Any ideas?
 
2013-03-15 12:14:12 AM
img.ibtimes.com
"When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no -- and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem."
 
2013-03-15 12:15:15 AM

ox45tallboy: [static.globalgrind.com image 540x359]
"Ann Drives a couple of Cadillacs!"


Not at once, douchebag.

ox45tallboy: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]
"The answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home!"


Mexico has a striving meth economy.  It only makes sense.

ox45tallboy: [assets.rollingstone.com image 600x350]
"No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less."


So, the exact number isn't precisely calculated.  It takes time to come up with accurate numbers on the average income in the U.S.

ox45tallboy: [assets.rollingstone.com image 500x334]
"As president, I will create 12 million new jobs."

45 minutes later....

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 500x280]
"Government does not create jobs. Government does not create jobs."


The president isn't JUST government.  The president is president.
 
2013-03-15 12:16:31 AM

ox45tallboy: [img.ibtimes.com image 500x341]
"When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no -- and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem."


Many airlines charge extra fees for windows that open. It's a scam.  The problem is they get away with it.  They should be sued.  Why isn't Obama doing anything about this?  Why is Obama so ineffectual?
 
2013-03-15 12:19:20 AM

MrHappyRotter: ox45tallboy: [assets.rollingstone.com image 600x350]
"No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less."

So, the exact number isn't precisely calculated. It takes time to come up with accurate numbers on the average income in the U.S.


I really hope you're this ignorant. Obviously you either forgot your /sarc tag or you're trolling, but I'm holding out hope that you're actually clueless enough to believe the average income is anywhere near 6 figures.
 
2013-03-15 12:20:03 AM

GhostFish: Hot drinks? Turns out they're okay.


Yeah I work with a mormon who gets a hot chocolate when we all go for coffee...

Never asked her about it, cos I don't think I could stop there with the questions and I'd end up asking about the aliens and the different heavens and whether she'd get to rule her own planet, and she's too nice to alienate like that...
 
2013-03-15 12:20:38 AM

MrHappyRotter: Many airlines charge extra fees for windows that open. It's a scam.


Damn, I only had to read one more post for my answer. Oh, well. It was worth a shot.
 
2013-03-15 12:21:15 AM

TopoGigo: freetomato: the brass rails at the bar

Maybe you can answer this. There is a name for that space between the vertical rails at a bar. Some places keep it free for cocktail waitresses to pick up drinks, but places without floor staff or shot girls reserve it for customers not lucky enough to get a barstool to form a line for drinks. I swear I used to know the name for it, but it's completely fallen out of my brain. I've searched the googles many times with no luck. My faulty brain keeps telling me that it's a "well", but I know I'm conflating the bottom shelf of liquor with the space reserved around the judge's bench in court. Any ideas?


I don't know either but everywhere I've worked, it is for drink pickup. Astute customers realize that and don't just stand there like stunned cattle, especially after being asked politely 5 farkin' times to "excuse me". I still carry a grudge against that jackass. I was working 90 hours a week - I did NOT need that shiat. I hope wherever he's at he is miserable.
 
2013-03-15 12:21:15 AM

impaler: emotion_lotion: I was told that you can tell the character of a man by the way he treats animals.

By strapping them to a roof.
growlersoftware.com


And that's just how Republicans see him, though they still indignantly parade their Romney/Rapey bumper stickers and grumpily defend their astonishingly sociopathic former candidate.

Abandon and condemn the man, defend forever and to the death their fervent support of him - just like they did with G.W. Bush.

Wouldn't care to be their next candidate, successful or otherwise.
 
2013-03-15 12:21:18 AM
a57.foxnews.com
"We use Ann sparingly right now so that people don't get tired of her."

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"..."

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-15 12:22:23 AM

TopoGigo: MrHappyRotter: Many airlines charge extra fees for windows that open. It's a scam.

Damn, I only had to read one more post for my answer. Oh, well. It was worth a shot.


Yeah.  You might want to see a doctor about that stick up your ass, while I'm sure it brings you great pleasure, it can also cause intestinal perforations which might prove fatal.
 
2013-03-15 12:25:59 AM
d1csi9vjsd9t3h.cloudfront.net
"[Obama] says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people."
 
2013-03-15 12:28:29 AM

MrHappyRotter: TopoGigo: MrHappyRotter: Many airlines charge extra fees for windows that open. It's a scam.

Damn, I only had to read one more post for my answer. Oh, well. It was worth a shot.

Yeah.  You might want to see a doctor about that stick up your ass, while I'm sure it brings you great pleasure, it can also cause intestinal perforations which might prove fatal.


I was going to make a smartass comment about colon cleansing, then I was going to make a head up ass comment. Now I find I'm too lazy for either, so I'll just pretend I believe you're not a filthy troll and mention the words "cabin pressure" and "$50k".
 
2013-03-15 12:28:37 AM
abcnews.go.com
"I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed."
 
2013-03-15 12:30:18 AM

freetomato: TopoGigo: freetomato: the brass rails at the bar

Maybe you can answer this. There is a name for that space between the vertical rails at a bar. Some places keep it free for cocktail waitresses to pick up drinks, but places without floor staff or shot girls reserve it for customers not lucky enough to get a barstool to form a line for drinks. I swear I used to know the name for it, but it's completely fallen out of my brain. I've searched the googles many times with no luck. My faulty brain keeps telling me that it's a "well", but I know I'm conflating the bottom shelf of liquor with the space reserved around the judge's bench in court. Any ideas?

I don't know either but everywhere I've worked, it is for drink pickup. Astute customers realize that and don't just stand there like stunned cattle, especially after being asked politely 5 farkin' times to "excuse me". I still carry a grudge against that jackass. I was working 90 hours a week - I did NOT need that shiat. I hope wherever he's at he is miserable.


I never drink at places with fancy floor staff, so that space is for the drink line. I'm sure I'd make that mistake once, but to just keep standing there means you're an asshole.
 
2013-03-15 12:31:33 AM
msnbcmedia.msn.com
"PETA is not happy that my dog likes fresh air."
 
2013-03-15 12:31:52 AM
imgc.allpostersimages.com

Lemon. Wet. Good.
 
2013-03-15 12:33:26 AM
i2.cdn.turner.com
"I'm not familiar precisely with what I said, but I'll stand by what I said, whatever it was."
 
2013-03-15 12:34:31 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: [imgc.allpostersimages.com image 325x488]

Lemon. Wet. Good.


I see no lemon. I see a lot of things, some of which may be wet and/or good, but no lemon.

When life hands you lemons, have a lemon party.
 
2013-03-15 12:39:01 AM
i.usatoday.net
"I get speaker's fees from time to time, but not very much."

www.brimg.net
 
2013-03-15 12:40:14 AM

TopoGigo: I see no lemon. I see a lot of things, some of which may be wet and/or good, but no lemon.


Australian (maybe elsewhere as well?) slang for lesbian. :P
 
2013-03-15 12:41:19 AM

freetomato: BarkingUnicorn: At least Romney didn't break the bartender's finger like this asshole did to his waiter.

At the classy place I worked, I had some jerk elbow me in the kidney hard as I loaded a tray of drinks because I had the audacity to have an edge on my voice the 6th farking time I had to ask him to move away from the brass rails at the bar. I didn't spill a drop, which was probably his intent. I did, however call the manager amd would have pressed charges had he not dashed out like the cowardly weasel he was. Nouveau rich dickhead.


Classy place, indeed. ;-)
 
2013-03-15 12:41:23 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Australian (maybe elsewhere as well?) slang for lesbian


British also
 
2013-03-15 12:41:27 AM
img.youtube.com
"Who let the dogs out. Who. Who."
 
2013-03-15 12:44:38 AM

TopoGigo: freetomato: the brass rails at the bar

Maybe you can answer this. There is a name for that space between the vertical rails at a bar.


It's called the "service station."
 
2013-03-15 12:46:10 AM

MrHappyRotter: Many airlines charge extra fees for windows that open. It's a scam. The problem is they get away with it. They should be sued. Why isn't Obama doing anything about this? Why is Obama so ineffectual?


I blame Republican deregulation.
 
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