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2013-03-14 09:18:46 PM  

Silly Jesus: goatleggedfellow: Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.

Welcome to the free market. Everyone looks at those below them as undeserving, unskilled, and lazy. Maybe you'd be happier if we were all be slaves to one Ubermensch.

Also, unless you were raised by wolves, you benefited from your ancestors' work. They provided you with opportunity. Now if only there were a large segment of American society that had all their opportunity stolen, leaving almost nothing to pass down...

So having 8 babies while being unmarried and living off of a check from the government is "BECAUSE SLAVERY!!"?


I doubt anyone's done studies on the long-term psychological effect of hardcore trolling, but if I find anything I'll send it your way.
 
2013-03-14 09:19:18 PM  

Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.

Why's that?  Does Bill Gates disproportionately use the roads and the fire department?  Taxes should have some relationship to what you get back out of them.


again, I don't WANT you to understand this.  I prefer you as you are.
 
2013-03-14 09:20:50 PM  

Silly Jesus: I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.


A policy of removing everything that makes social mobility possible is a good start.

Outsourcing low-skill labor, opposing and repealing wage and safety laws, defunding education, and supporting regressive tax schemes , among other things, encourage a welfare state.
 
2013-03-14 09:21:22 PM  

Weaver95: BarkingUnicorn:
That reward comes from my labor;

um...no.  real wages for most of this country have been flat for 30 odd years.  it literally doesn't matter how hard you work...most of the wealth in this country goes to the elite 1% that run the show.


We're not talking about income distribution.

If I earn more through my labor, I am penalized more by the progressive tax system.
 
2013-03-14 09:21:23 PM  

Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

And yes, I will always think that the worthless are worthless.  I'm glad that you are able to dismiss reality and allow your heart to bleed for them.  The scourge on society that they are.  Imagine the progress that we could make if fewer people were in the cart and more were pulling?  And if people like you didn't hand out step ladders for people to climb into the cart....

see - this is great!  you should make sure everyone in the room knows how much you hate the poors people.  that's just too cool for words!


They aren't "people". They're parasites and takers. Try to keep up.
 
2013-03-14 09:21:46 PM  

Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.

Why's that?  Does Bill Gates disproportionately use the roads and the fire department?  Taxes should have some relationship to what you get back out of them.

again, I don't WANT you to understand this.  I prefer you as you are.


HAHAHAHAHAHA (breath) HAHAHAHAHAHA

you just earned yourself the coveted "Potato" farkie.  You're in good company in this thread.
 
2013-03-14 09:21:54 PM  
Thank you Mitt for not saying "thank you."
 
2013-03-14 09:23:03 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.

A policy of removing everything that makes social mobility possible is a good start.

Outsourcing low-skill labor, opposing and repealing wage and safety laws, defunding education, and supporting regressive tax schemes , among other things, encourage a welfare state.


not to mention the GOP crusade against birth control and sex education.  that helps keep birth rates up and prevents poorer families from climbing out of debt.
 
2013-03-14 09:23:04 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: If I earn more through my labor, I am penalized more by the progressive tax system.


Again, no you're not. You're still making more than the tax bracket below you. How is that a penalty on making more?
 
2013-03-14 09:23:15 PM  

Cletus C.: You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.


Ladies and gentlemen, the authoritarian mindset: Doing something wrong, not so bad. Exposing something wrong, horrible.
 
2013-03-14 09:23:58 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.

A policy of removing everything that makes social mobility possible is a good start.

Outsourcing low-skill labor, opposing and repealing wage and safety laws, defunding education, and supporting regressive tax schemes , among other things, encourage a welfare state.


More babies out of wedlock = more money.

yay libs

Make sure you keep that journal so we can keep sending your your check...
 
2013-03-14 09:24:36 PM  

Weaver95: Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.

A policy of removing everything that makes social mobility possible is a good start.

Outsourcing low-skill labor, opposing and repealing wage and safety laws, defunding education, and supporting regressive tax schemes , among other things, encourage a welfare state.

not to mention the GOP crusade against birth control and sex education.  that helps keep birth rates up and prevents poorer families from climbing out of debt.


Because nobody knows how babies are made...
 
2013-03-14 09:24:39 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: BarkingUnicorn: impaler: BarkingUnicorn: The penalty is a higher marginal tax rate.

And the reward is more income that far exceeds the penalty.

That reward comes from my labor; the penalty comes from the progressive tax system.

And yet, you still make more money than a person in the lower tax bracket. So what penalty is there?


Getting 50 cents instead of 60 cents for the additional money I earn.

Your argument is like saying that my 60-day jail sentence leaves me better off than the guy serving life, so I'm not being punished.  Ridiculous.
 
2013-03-14 09:24:51 PM  

eraser8: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

I heard about that study on NPR today.

The conclusions are somewhat controversial and, according to some, don't match the actual analysis.

Of course, since I haven't read the study or seen the data behind the conclusions, I can't judge whether the abstract is reliable or not.

Have you read the study?  If so, do you have a link to the study and its data?  It's an interesting question and I'd like to understand the issue a bit better.


http://aysps.gsu.edu/sites/default/files/documents/Rpt%20258FIN.pdf
 
2013-03-14 09:25:42 PM  

Weaver95: objectivist?


stoli n coke: Nah, SJ strikes me as a "libertarian," as in "someone who got tired of being laughed at when he told people he voted for Bush twice."


Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
 
2013-03-14 09:26:56 PM  
Romney's comments about the 47% led to him getting 47% of the vote.
 
2013-03-14 09:26:58 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Weaver95: BarkingUnicorn:
That reward comes from my labor;

um...no.  real wages for most of this country have been flat for 30 odd years.  it literally doesn't matter how hard you work...most of the wealth in this country goes to the elite 1% that run the show.

We're not talking about income distribution.

If I earn more through my labor, I am penalized more by the progressive tax system.


that's just it - you WON'T earn more through your labor.  you work 40hrs a week and take home $2k.  your boss works 40 hours a week and takes home $17,00,000 - 850 times more than you.  there is literally NO REASON to play by these rules anymore.  once people understand just how badly f*cked they are by what we laughingly call our economic system...they'll stop playing by the rules.  the social contract will be null and void.

at that point, math is kinda pointless.
 
2013-03-14 09:27:06 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Your argument is like saying that my 60-day jail sentence leaves me better off than the guy serving life, so I'm not being punished.  Ridiculous


That makes no sense regarding income. Are you or are you not still making more income than the people in the tax bracket below you, yes or no?
 
2013-03-14 09:28:04 PM  

Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Welfare should be severely time restricted, there should be work requirements a bit more stringent than Obama's "journal keeping" and "meditation" requirements.  Every step should be taken to discourage it's use...not to encourage it.

yeah!  f*ck the poor!  obviously they WANTED their jobs outsourced!  sneaky gits!

So I should pay for you to keep a journal?

The Waffle House is outsourcing hobs?

now there are some VERY interesting assumptions and implications buried in those comments.  again, you are completely and in all ways totally wrong about pretty much everything...but that's ok.  I'm counting on that, remember?


Man. You listen to Rush, and play with trolls. You're hardcore.
 
2013-03-14 09:28:15 PM  

Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.

Why's that?  Does Bill Gates disproportionately use the roads and the fire department?  Taxes should have some relationship to what you get back out of them.


"No taxation without representation!" Who pays the most taxes and gets the most representation?
 
2013-03-14 09:28:31 PM  

Cletus C.: You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.


Cletus C. fundraiser...what is that, moving one batch of shake 'n bake?

/It's funny because of your farknick.
 
2013-03-14 09:29:23 PM  

Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.

A policy of removing everything that makes social mobility possible is a good start.

Outsourcing low-skill labor, opposing and repealing wage and safety laws, defunding education, and supporting regressive tax schemes , among other things, encourage a welfare state.

not to mention the GOP crusade against birth control and sex education.  that helps keep birth rates up and prevents poorer families from climbing out of debt.

Because nobody knows how babies are made...


well they will after they get teen pregnant.
 
2013-03-14 09:29:35 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.

Why's that?  Does Bill Gates disproportionately use the roads and the fire department?  Taxes should have some relationship to what you get back out of them.

"No taxation without representation!" Who pays the most taxes and gets the most representation?


The wealthy should get more votes.
 
2013-03-14 09:29:50 PM  

erik-k: Cletus C.: You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.

Ladies and gentlemen, the authoritarian mindset: Doing something wrong, not so bad. Exposing something wrong, horrible.


No shat. If you need "discretion" at your fundraisers, you're doing it wrong. This didn't even occur to him.
 
2013-03-14 09:30:21 PM  

Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.

A policy of removing everything that makes social mobility possible is a good start.

Outsourcing low-skill labor, opposing and repealing wage and safety laws, defunding education, and supporting regressive tax schemes , among other things, encourage a welfare state.

not to mention the GOP crusade against birth control and sex education.  that helps keep birth rates up and prevents poorer families from climbing out of debt.

Because nobody knows how babies are made...

well they will after they get teen pregnant.


Steralize those on welfare.  It should be a prerequisite.
 
2013-03-14 09:30:58 PM  

Silly Jesus: The wealthy should get more votes.


How bout they just get more money?

PS: the rich aren't going to have sex with you.
 
2013-03-14 09:31:25 PM  
Evil High Priest:

Man. You listen to Rush, and play with trolls. You're hardcore.

i've had a LOT coffee today.  plus, my usual Left4Dead2 crew is out traveling and/or otherwise occupied tonight so...no zombie shooting.  I suppose I could go play some anno 2070, but...meh.  I think i'll wait for the coffee jitters to calm down a bit before I lock into a nice game of resource management.
 
2013-03-14 09:32:55 PM  

impaler: Silly Jesus: The wealthy should get more votes.

How bout they just get more money?

PS: the rich aren't going to have sex with you.


So they should be so overjoyed that they earn a lot of money that they thank you for taking some of it off their hands?
 
2013-03-14 09:33:00 PM  

Silly Jesus: BarkingUnicorn: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.

Why's that?  Does Bill Gates disproportionately use the roads and the fire department?  Taxes should have some relationship to what you get back out of them.

"No taxation without representation!" Who pays the most taxes and gets the most representation?

The wealthy should get more votes.


And they do, where votes really count.  So you should be at peace.
 
2013-03-14 09:33:13 PM  
Silly Jesus:
Steralize those on welfare.  It should be a prerequisite.

see, you can't even spell that correctly.  how am I supposed to take you seriously when you can't even spell 'sterilize' correctly?
 
2013-03-14 09:33:44 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Your argument is like saying that my 60-day jail sentence leaves me better off than the guy serving life, so I'm not being punished. Ridiculous.


Not really, but you're arguing that taking home more money is punishment.
 
2013-03-14 09:33:46 PM  

Silly Jesus: More babies out of wedlock = more money.


It's funny that you think that is a refutation of my statement.

Do you have an actual answer as to why policies that impede social mobility don't facilitate a welfare state?
 
2013-03-14 09:34:28 PM  

Silly Jesus: clambam: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Wow, really? There's an actual academic study that confirms the welfare state is a slave plantation? I believe you! Shout it from the rooftops!

Essentially, yes.

Finding a job, wedding and stopping having kids are all discouraged.


I have to part ways with you on this one SJ.  People do some pretty dumb things on their own, regardless of goverment intervention.  While there are policies in place which may support an entitlement mentality, I don't believe this was the intention of the government to do so.

Jobs: having limited opportunity, be it due to lack of education, or just family obligation, there are few careers that match the expenses of surviving the way federal assistance does.  Under the current system, finding work may penalize the recipient as assistance may cut off or severely limited, thus putting them in a worse financial position than before.  I tend to believe that if one meets the proper criteria (ie. head of household, renting, has dependants or is varifiably handi-capped, or is retired with no other supplemental income) then they should receive supplemental assistance along with their earned wages thus acting as an incentive to remain or join the work force.

Marriage:  giving assistance to a single mom is not encouragement to remain single nor is it a reward for not marrying.  Think of it as not punishing the child for the irresponsible actions of their parent (or the idiot dad who walked out on his responsibilities) and you'll sleep better at night.

Stop having kids:  I'm not a big fan of Family Planning clinics when they are viewed as a viable alternative to buying a rubber, however, they are government sponsored and they do provide both education on birth control as well as the means to prevent unwanted pregnancy, and abortion services should they be needed.  The government also funds sex education and couseling in public schools in an effort to educate the public on a variety of sexual issues including std's and preventing unwanted pregnancy.  Don't blame the government if the unwashed masses aren't getting the message.  Short of coralling all the males of the species away from the females, there really isn't much more they can do.

And no, helping a child in a low income environment is not the same as paying a woman to have a child.
 
2013-03-14 09:34:52 PM  
Silly Jesus:
The wealthy should get more votes.

they have more influence than the average person does, which mostly amounts to them getting their way...at least more often than they should.
 
2013-03-14 09:36:07 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: More babies out of wedlock = more money.

It's funny that you think that is a refutation of my statement.

Do you have an actual answer as to why policies that impede social mobility don't facilitate a welfare state?


;Do you have an argument as to why paying people to have more babies and not get married doesn't facilitate a welfare state?
 
2013-03-14 09:36:17 PM  

Silly Jesus: So they should be so overjoyed that they earn a lot of money that they thank you for taking some of it off their hands?


Protip: if every argument against your personal philosophy can only be countered by lies and strawmen, it's time to just reevaluate your personal philosophy.
 
2013-03-14 09:36:53 PM  

Silly Jesus: Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: More babies out of wedlock = more money.

It's funny that you think that is a refutation of my statement.

Do you have an actual answer as to why policies that impede social mobility don't facilitate a welfare state?

;Do you have an argument as to why paying people to have more babies and not get married doesn't facilitate a welfare state?


see those goal posts?  Waaaaaaaay over there?  we saw you move them.  just saying is all....
 
2013-03-14 09:37:14 PM  

Silly Jesus: Do you have an argument as to why paying people to have more babies


Do you have a citation on how many people actually do this? I mean, not in your head but in the actual united States?
 
2013-03-14 09:37:50 PM  

Weaver95: BarkingUnicorn: Weaver95: BarkingUnicorn:
That reward comes from my labor;

um...no.  real wages for most of this country have been flat for 30 odd years.  it literally doesn't matter how hard you work...most of the wealth in this country goes to the elite 1% that run the show.

We're not talking about income distribution.

If I earn more through my labor, I am penalized more by the progressive tax system.

that's just it - you WON'T earn more through your labor.  you work 40hrs a week and take home $2k.  your boss works 40 hours a week and takes home $17,00,000 - 850 times more than you.  there is literally NO REASON to play by these rules anymore.  once people understand just how badly f*cked they are by what we laughingly call our economic system...they'll stop playing by the rules.  the social contract will be null and void.

at that point, math is kinda pointless.


I am talking about earning more than I did before.  You are talking about earning more than someone else.  We are not having a conversation when we are talking about different things.
 
2013-03-14 09:37:50 PM  

impaler: Silly Jesus: So they should be so overjoyed that they earn a lot of money that they thank you for taking some of it off their hands?

Protip: if every argument against your personal philosophy can only be countered by lies and strawmen, it's time to just reevaluate your personal philosophy.


shhh!  I want him clueless, remember?  just nod and let him think he's won.
 
2013-03-14 09:37:56 PM  

NotoriousW.O.P: Dave Barry once said, "Someone who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person." Seems right to me.


A long time before that Jimmy Durante said, "Be nice to people on your way up because you meet them on your way down."

Hey Gov Romney, here's a pro-tip for you...it's still true.
 
2013-03-14 09:39:20 PM  

Silly Jesus: ;Do you have an argument as to why paying people to have more babies and not get married doesn't facilitate a welfare state?


If you think our welfare system allows one to make a profit on each kid, you're an idiot.

Giving $2000 annual assistance for a child doesn't give an economic incentive if the child costs $4000 a year.
 
2013-03-14 09:39:57 PM  
BarkingUnicorn:
I am talking about earning more than I did before.  You are talking about earning more than someone else.  We are not having a conversation when we are talking about different things.

But you WON'T earn more than you did before.  your pay will NEVER grow to a point where you'll matter to the elite 1% who control 40% of the wealth in this country.  you will NEVER get rich, you will never move up the ladder.  it's a rigged game.
 
2013-03-14 09:41:07 PM  

Silly Jesus: The wealthy should get more votes.


manvsinternet.files.wordpress.com

Surprised how many people are falling for it.
 
2013-03-14 09:41:16 PM  

impaler: Silly Jesus: ;Do you have an argument as to why paying people to have more babies and not get married doesn't facilitate a welfare state?

If you think our welfare system allows one to make a profit on each kid, you're an idiot.

Giving $2000 annual assistance for a child doesn't give an economic incentive if the child costs $4000 a year.


But don't you SEE? Our current welfare system gives mothers of 8 $1,000,000 per kid!
 
2013-03-14 09:42:50 PM  

Weaver95: impaler: Silly Jesus: So they should be so overjoyed that they earn a lot of money that they thank you for taking some of it off their hands?

Protip: if every argument against your personal philosophy can only be countered by lies and strawmen, it's time to just reevaluate your personal philosophy.

shhh!  I want him clueless, remember?  just nod and let him think he's won.


No worries there. They always know that they are right about everything. It's wonderful, really, how the gop has not learned one damn thing about their trouncing last November. I'm all for it!
 
2013-03-14 09:45:24 PM  

Stone Meadow: NotoriousW.O.P: Dave Barry once said, "Someone who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person." Seems right to me.

A long time before that Jimmy Durante said, "Be nice to people on your way up because you meet them on your way down."

Hey Gov Romney, here's a pro-tip for you...it's still true.


He was never 'on the way up', and he certainly will never be on the way down. With that much money, it would actually be tricky to get rid of it all.
 
2013-03-14 09:47:17 PM  

Weaver95: BarkingUnicorn:
I am talking about earning more than I did before.  You are talking about earning more than someone else.  We are not having a conversation when we are talking about different things.

But you WON'T earn more than you did before.  your pay will NEVER grow to a point where you'll matter to the elite 1% who control 40% of the wealth in this country.  you will NEVER get rich, you will never move up the ladder.  it's a rigged game.


I am still talking about the progressive tax system as I experience it.  You are still comparing one person to another.  Conversation is still not occurring.
 
2013-03-14 09:50:13 PM  
BarkingUnicorn:
I am still talking about the progressive tax system as I experience it.  You are still comparing one person to another.  Conversation is still not occurring.

its part of the same conversation...an ugly part that you don't want to talk about.

carry on then.  I can't force you into enlightenment.
 
2013-03-14 09:50:58 PM  

Evil High Priest: Stone Meadow: NotoriousW.O.P: Dave Barry once said, "Someone who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person." Seems right to me.

A long time before that Jimmy Durante said, "Be nice to people on your way up because you meet them on your way down."

Hey Gov Romney, here's a pro-tip for you...it's still true.

He was never 'on the way up', and he certainly will never be on the way down. With that much money, it would actually be tricky to get rid of it all.


Didn't 1929 raze the fortunes of many of this nation's wealthy while at the same time allowing some of our current wealthiest the opportunity to come into being?
 
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