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2013-03-14 07:41:55 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, he's saying what we already knew - Mitt Romney is a blue-ribbon douchebag.


But not a Pabst®.

/ "I'm white elitist and I'm in trouble."
 
2013-03-14 07:42:19 PM

robsul82: IIRC, in some puff interview they asked Romney what his biggest vice was, and he said Diet Coke.


has Rmoney ever done any OTHER kind of interview?
 
2013-03-14 07:43:06 PM

Weaver95: "I handed him a diet Coke with lemon on it," Prouty told Huffington Post, "because I was told that that's what he drank. ... He took it and turned and didn't say anything. ... I presented him the exact right drink that he wanted ... Had it there, sitting there on a napkin. He took it out of my hand and turned his back without a 'thank you' or anything else. ... You can tell a lot about someone the way they take a drink from you. ... [Romney] took it and just turned his back."

yup.  it's the little things that tell you a lot about someone's character.


Some people might think this is petty, but having waited tables and tended bar, I think this guy is spot on. It's absolutely amazing how differently people act when you're serving them. Lots of people are just as nice as they are otherwise, but at least as many completely change when they're in that position. And yes, it truly does say a lot about what a person is really like.

And even my kids know they're supposed to say "thank you."
 
2013-03-14 07:43:56 PM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


Perhaps there's a reason for this.

If you replace "welfare queens" with "gun owners" it easily becomes hypocrisy. They identify a small minority that take advantage of the system. Fine. But when others point out that that the last mass shooting was done with 30 round magazines and a stupid AR, then IT'S MAH GUN RIGHTZ.

/I still support the 2nd Amendment.
//But I hate right wing hypocrisy.
 
2013-03-14 07:44:24 PM
You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.
 
2013-03-14 07:46:14 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: /thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke


I think that changed when the Mormon church became a major shareholder in the Coca-Cola corporation.
 
2013-03-14 07:46:23 PM

Pappas: Romney walks, talks, breathes, and lives the "whole 47% issue". It would have come out eventually... this was just a nice, neat little package.


At least we got to see the discomfiture of one of the pampered elite when he left his bubble and realized he was out in a world where people got to loudly and openly  disagree with things he said or call him on his previous comments.  Both Mitt and Ann.
 
2013-03-14 07:46:37 PM

Cletus C.: You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.


you know, generally speaking I go out of my way to show the wait staff common courtesy and basic polite behavior.  if nothing else it prevents them from spitting in my food.  of course, if YOU want to be jerks to the people who serve you that's your call.  spittle and stale bread really spice up that expensive steak dinner, or so i'm told.
 
2013-03-14 07:46:45 PM

Parthenogenetic: But regardless, the LDS church forbids tea and coffee, not caffeine per se.  Caffeine use is not encouraged, perhaps, but it is not forbidden.


Typical hair-splitting religious gobbledegook. How this religion survived the translation of the Rosetta Stone is one of life's great mysteries -- right up there with why people making less than a million dollars ever vote Republican.
 
2013-03-14 07:50:52 PM

dickfreckle: Former bartender here. I don't expect anyone to lavishly praise my concoctions (especially if it's just a Diet Coke), but a simple nod or even a verbal "thanks" is always appreciated as a common courtesy. If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd still be gracious to "the help." These people work their asses off. I know I did.

Guys like Romney never learned that lesson. For him, the world exists to serve him and he needs not show gratitude. People like that always got on my nerves (and they were invariably horrible tippers, no matter their personal fortune).


This. I'm friends with some of the bartenders at my local watering hole. After closing, it's not uncommon for them to complain about some rich a-hole running up a $300 check, and then leaving a tip of ten bucks or less.

15% is standard, 25% is classy, and 30% guarantees your drink is waiting for you before you get to the bar.

Plus, it's just a good idea not to piss off the people handling your food and drinks.
 
2013-03-14 07:54:09 PM

stoli n coke: dickfreckle: Former bartender here. I don't expect anyone to lavishly praise my concoctions (especially if it's just a Diet Coke), but a simple nod or even a verbal "thanks" is always appreciated as a common courtesy. If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd still be gracious to "the help." These people work their asses off. I know I did.

Guys like Romney never learned that lesson. For him, the world exists to serve him and he needs not show gratitude. People like that always got on my nerves (and they were invariably horrible tippers, no matter their personal fortune).

This. I'm friends with some of the bartenders at my local watering hole. After closing, it's not uncommon for them to complain about some rich a-hole running up a $300 check, and then leaving a tip of ten bucks or less.

15% is standard, 25% is classy, and 30% guarantees your drink is waiting for you before you get to the bar.

Plus, it's just a good idea not to piss off the people handling your food and drinks.


This, especially if you are a regular at a small mom and pop place.
 
2013-03-14 07:56:27 PM

Cletus C.: You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.


I don't think taking your parents out to Pizza Hut Lunch Buffet to ask them for help making your car payment necessarily qualifies as a "fundraiser".
 
2013-03-14 07:57:42 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: As much as his dad seemed to be a decent guy, one must wonder if he was an elitist asshole as a father, teaching Mitt to never address the help directly.


It seems to me that there's often a huge difference in attitude between people who have to work for their fortune vs. people who inherit it.  Mitt's father would fall in the former category as he worked his way up from humble beginnings, whereas Mitt falls in the second because he got a huge boost at the start of his career from his father's fortune and never knew what it was like to be poor.
 
2013-03-14 07:59:51 PM

Snarfangel: But the guy was serving alcohol. Thanking him would have condemned Romney's soul to Heck.


I hate that place. The lighting is always insufficient.
 
2013-03-14 08:00:45 PM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


Those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
 
2013-03-14 08:00:48 PM
Perhaps Romney was caught up in the moment, prepping for his speech, i don't really care about his treatment of the server (not something i would do it's rude not to say thank you)

it's not as important as the video, I am just thankful that we had access to the statement & the exposure of his interpretation of almost half of the population of the U.S.

/still know he wouldn't have won regardless of it but it was nice to see some truth to his character.
 
2013-03-14 08:01:25 PM

clambam: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Wow, really? There's an actual academic study that confirms the welfare state is a slave plantation? I believe you! Shout it from the rooftops!


Essentially, yes.

Finding a job, wedding and stopping having kids are all discouraged.
 
2013-03-14 08:02:15 PM

NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?


Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.
 
2013-03-14 08:03:37 PM

trotsky: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Perhaps there's a reason for this.

If you replace "welfare queens" with "gun owners" it easily becomes hypocrisy. They identify a small minority that take advantage of the system. Fine. But when others point out that that the last mass shooting was done with 30 round magazines and a stupid AR, then IT'S MAH GUN RIGHTZ.

/I still support the 2nd Amendment.
//But I hate right wing hypocrisy.


Your analogy makes no sense.
 
2013-03-14 08:04:40 PM

Man On Fire: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.


Do they mean tacos?  I love tacos.
 
2013-03-14 08:05:25 PM
Talk to the help? UGH!
 
2013-03-14 08:06:41 PM
I waitressed my way through college. I've also worked retail, customer service, and sales. I've been a cashier, a house painter, a temp and a telemarketer.

People who are rude or dismissive of the help can fark off. This is my first test of a person's character.  I have no idea how a politician can act like that. It's astonishing to me.
 
2013-03-14 08:06:50 PM
I always figured that $1/drink (even for a free glass of water) was a fair enough tip unless you're really drinking top shelf liquor. And that's of course not if you're running up a tab then standard rates apply.
 
2013-03-14 08:10:12 PM

Silly Jesus: clambam: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Wow, really? There's an actual academic study that confirms the welfare state is a slave plantation? I believe you! Shout it from the rooftops!

Essentially, yes.

Finding a job, wedding and stopping having kids are all discouraged.


Citation needed. It's funny how you folks can call a group of voters who essentially control electoral outcomes at this point a bunch of freeloading losers and then act surprised when they fail to vote the way you want them to. Has it occurred to you that, rather than them being parasites you think they are, you people might be just kind of stupid?
 
2013-03-14 08:10:56 PM
My dating litmus test is see how my date treats the server when going out because that how they will treat you one day.

Even if the 47% video Mitt still would have lost. not as bad though, he connects with the common man as welll Tequila connects with Champagne in your stomach
 
2013-03-14 08:11:29 PM
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-03-14 08:12:47 PM
Silly Jesus:
A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

That metaphor is so strained, it appears to have broken the entire concept of analogy irreparably for future generations. I hope you're happy.
 
2013-03-14 08:13:22 PM
What about the people who work at the companies he destroys?  You think he cares about them?
 
2013-03-14 08:14:02 PM
i.imgur.com

Four posts in a row. I'm sure he's made some very critical points and solid observations.
 
2013-03-14 08:15:33 PM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


I thought this was an obvious troll, but it clearly had some good elements.

It's a familiar theme, the "libs! libs! libs!" buying votes, but inventing a GSU study makes it specific, and a good lie is in the details. The bit about the democratic slave plantation evokes emotion, as slavery does, and it's vague enough that it makes one wonder about the original study and how it's been derpified.

And you might have gotten away with it, too, except no fundie would name themselves Silly Jesus, and someone this deep in the derp would probably say "democrat slave plantation." They would also never remember the name of the university that did the study.
 
2013-03-14 08:16:08 PM

what_now: I waitressed my way through college. I've also worked retail, customer service, and sales. I've been a cashier, a house painter, a temp and a telemarketer.

People who are rude or dismissive of the help can fark off. This is my first test of a person's character.  I have no idea how a politician can act like that. It's astonishing to me.


If only he had watched Downton Abbey!  It's like a "how to" for our modern day elite.
 
2013-03-14 08:17:38 PM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


I heard about that study on NPR today.

The conclusions are somewhat controversial and, according to some, don't match the actual analysis.

Of course, since I haven't read the study or seen the data behind the conclusions, I can't judge whether the abstract is reliable or not.

Have you read the study?  If so, do you have a link to the study and its data?  It's an interesting question and I'd like to understand the issue a bit better.
 
2013-03-14 08:18:07 PM

Kuta: I always figured that $1/drink (even for a free glass of water) was a fair enough tip unless you're really drinking top shelf liquor. And that's of course not if you're running up a tab then standard rates apply.


Good strategy, but also remember your pleases and thank yous. That's the difference between your server taking 3 minutes to make your drink and taking 10 minutes to make your drink.
 
2013-03-14 08:18:21 PM
Romney thinks he is better than most people. He grew up wealthy and privileged and has never had anyone tell him that money and power does not make you an inherently good person.
 
2013-03-14 08:18:25 PM
*sets fire to couch on which SJ is sitting*
 
2013-03-14 08:18:30 PM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


I *really* hope the GOP takes this sort of attitude.  that would be AWESOME!
 
2013-03-14 08:18:36 PM

clambam: Silly Jesus: clambam: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Wow, really? There's an actual academic study that confirms the welfare state is a slave plantation? I believe you! Shout it from the rooftops!

Essentially, yes.

Finding a job, wedding and stopping having kids are all discouraged.

Citation needed. It's funny how you folks can call a group of voters who essentially control electoral outcomes at this point a bunch of freeloading losers and then act surprised when they fail to vote the way you want them to. Has it occurred to you that, rather than them being parasites you think they are, you people might be just kind of stupid?


Here's the best article I found on it.  A link to the actual study (PDF) is at the bottom.

You folks?  What kinda folk am I?

So they aren't parasites?  How so?

I'm stupid because the study confirms what I've been saying?  Interdasting!

You seem smrt.
 
2013-03-14 08:19:15 PM

Erik_Emune: Silly Jesus:
A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

That metaphor is so strained, it appears to have broken the entire concept of analogy irreparably for future generations. I hope you're happy.


Just send me a check and I'll be happy.
 
2013-03-14 08:19:29 PM

crab66: Romney thinks he is better than most people. He grew up wealthy and privileged and has never had anyone tell him that money and power does not make you an inherently good person.


His god (which isn't Jesus, btw) says that money is proof of inherent virtue.
 
2013-03-14 08:19:30 PM
Romney left the impression that he would do or say anything that it took to get elected, except of course, release more tax returns.  I don't even think Romney was able to remember what his own true positions on the issues were by the time November rolled around.
 
2013-03-14 08:19:59 PM

Thats No Moose: [i.imgur.com image 600x176]

Four posts in a row. I'm sure he's made some very critical points and solid observations.


LOL
 
2013-03-14 08:21:39 PM

Silly Jesus: Here's the best article I found on it.


Where is the article?

You didn't actually link to anything.
 
2013-03-14 08:21:43 PM

LiberalWeenie: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

I thought this was an obvious troll, but it clearly had some good elements.

It's a familiar theme, the "libs! libs! libs!" buying votes, but inventing a GSU study makes it specific, and a good lie is in the details. The bit about the democratic slave plantation evokes emotion, as slavery does, and it's vague enough that it makes one wonder about the original study and how it's been derpified.

And you might have gotten away with it, too, except no fundie would name themselves Silly Jesus, and someone this deep in the derp would probably say "democrat slave plantation." They would also never remember the name of the university that did the study.


Here's the study...  http://aysps.gsu.edu/sites/default/files/documents/Rpt%20258FIN.pdf
 
2013-03-14 08:22:00 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke


The church decided it was OK when they discovered that they owned a big stock block.
 
2013-03-14 08:22:41 PM

stoli n coke: dickfreckle: Former bartender here. I don't expect anyone to lavishly praise my concoctions (especially if it's just a Diet Coke), but a simple nod or even a verbal "thanks" is always appreciated as a common courtesy. If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd still be gracious to "the help." These people work their asses off. I know I did.

Guys like Romney never learned that lesson. For him, the world exists to serve him and he needs not show gratitude. People like that always got on my nerves (and they were invariably horrible tippers, no matter their personal fortune).

This. I'm friends with some of the bartenders at my local watering hole. After closing, it's not uncommon for them to complain about some rich a-hole running up a $300 check, and then leaving a tip of ten bucks or less.

15% is standard, 25% is classy, and 30% guarantees your drink is waiting for you before you get to the bar.

Plus, it's just a good idea not to piss off the people handling your food and drinks.


I've always said that you can be a crap tipper but a fun person, but you can't be a crap tipper and an asshole to boot. Now in this case, it's assumed that someone from Romney's camp was signing the bill rather than Romney himself, but I can almost guarantee the bartender got screwed in some way. Dude makes $5 an hour.

CSB alert: Paul McCartney (of whom I'm a huge fan) not only stiffed me on a tip, but the entire tab, including the cocktail waitresses.

People enjoy saying that bartending is easy, but it isn't. Who do you think lugs those kegs? Runs to get ice while 40 people are screaming at him for a drink? Cleans up the sh*tstorm at the end of the night? It's a fun job much of the time, if you work in the right place, but it's still manual labor. If you aren't going to tip, at least say "Thank you." Or, as noted above, give a polite nod. This 'nozzle did neither.
 
2013-03-14 08:22:48 PM

eraser8: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

I heard about that study on NPR today.

The conclusions are somewhat controversial and, according to some, don't match the actual analysis.

Of course, since I haven't read the study or seen the data behind the conclusions, I can't judge whether the abstract is reliable or not.

Have you read the study?  If so, do you have a link to the study and its data?  It's an interesting question and I'd like to understand the issue a bit better.


http://aysps.gsu.edu/sites/default/files/documents/Rpt%20258FIN.pdf

The opposition to it was just some libby lib saying "NUH UH!"
 
2013-03-14 08:23:30 PM

Kittypie070: *sets fire to couch on which SJ is sitting*


THE COUCH WAS MADE OF CATS!

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!
 
2013-03-14 08:24:15 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

I *really* hope the GOP takes this sort of attitude.  that would be AWESOME!


What attitude is that?  Acknowledging facts?  I thought libby libs liked that attitude.  Which is it?
 
2013-03-14 08:24:53 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke


Lotta people think that, including many Mormons.  Actually, the "Word of Wisdom" health code prohibits "hot drinks."  The LDS Church says that means coffee or tea, and many extrapolate to "caffeinated beverages."
 
2013-03-14 08:25:05 PM

Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.


Welcome to the free market. Everyone looks at those below them as undeserving, unskilled, and lazy. Maybe you'd be happier if we were all be slaves to one Ubermensch.

Also, unless you were raised by wolves, you benefited from your ancestors' work. They provided you with opportunity. Now if only there were a large segment of American society that had all their opportunity stolen, leaving almost nothing to pass down...
 
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