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2013-03-14 06:22:41 PM
I think that interview pretty much confirmed everything we thought about Romney.  I can see Clinton taking time to greet the staff while Romney and his buddies ignore them.  Even if Clinton is disingenuous, at least he has enough empathy to realize that pressing the common flesh is good politics.
 
2013-03-14 06:24:42 PM

Mentat: I think that interview pretty much confirmed everything we thought about Romney.  I can see Clinton taking time to greet the staff while Romney and his buddies ignore them.  Even if Clinton is disingenuous, at least he has enough empathy to realize that pressing the common flesh is good politics.


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2013-03-14 06:27:00 PM
If he had simply not been an entitled, elitist dick...
 
2013-03-14 06:29:23 PM

Lionel Mandrake: If he had simply not been an entitled, elitist dick...


...then the GOP donors would not have funded his campaign.
 
2013-03-14 06:31:18 PM
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2013-03-14 06:37:14 PM
But the guy was serving alcohol. Thanking him would have condemned Romney's soul to Heck.
 
2013-03-14 06:37:25 PM
It would have never occurred to Mitt Romney to say thank you to a bartender.
 
2013-03-14 06:38:40 PM
"I handed him a diet Coke with lemon on it," Prouty told Huffington Post, "because I was told that that's what he drank. ... He took it and turned and didn't say anything. ... I presented him the exact right drink that he wanted ... Had it there, sitting there on a napkin. He took it out of my hand and turned his back without a 'thank you' or anything else. ... You can tell a lot about someone the way they take a drink from you. ... [Romney] took it and just turned his back."

yup.  it's the little things that tell you a lot about someone's character.
 
2013-03-14 06:40:29 PM

GAT_00: It would have never occurred to Mitt Romney to say thank you to a bartender.


nope.  little people don't matter.  only the rich elites matter, at least to the GOP insiders anyways.  the fact that being openly contemptuous of damn near everyone in the united states might cost them the election simply never occurred to Romney.  little people mean nothing.  they're 'little people' for a reason.
 
2013-03-14 06:42:12 PM
As much as his dad seemed to be a decent guy, one must wonder if he was an elitist asshole as a father, teaching Mitt to never address the help directly.
 
2013-03-14 06:42:20 PM
Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke
 
2013-03-14 06:47:43 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke


Maybe he should have had some chocolate pie flavored soda?
 
2013-03-14 06:48:02 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke


Caffeine? Hell, I didn't think they were supposed to have carbonation!

No, distilled water with a single mint leaf is about as edgy as they get. And none of those exotic mints, either.
 
2013-03-14 06:50:08 PM
Wait a minute -- doesn't Coke have caffeine? Aren't they supposed to eschew caffeine?
 
2013-03-14 06:50:59 PM
So that's why the refresh clicky.
 
2013-03-14 06:55:41 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke


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2013-03-14 07:02:02 PM
I like how he says he didn't go in with a grudge but admits he brought a camera to record him on the off chance Romney would be a jackass again.
 
2013-03-14 07:02:49 PM

GAT_00: It would have never occurred to Mitt Romney to say thank you to a bartender.


Or any other servant

/probably a crappy tipper, too
 
2013-03-14 07:04:05 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: GAT_00: It would have never occurred to Mitt Romney to say thank you to a bartender.

Or any other servant

/probably a crappy tipper, too


He gives the Mormon Church 10%, why should the bartender deserve 20?
 
2013-03-14 07:06:27 PM

RexTalionis: MaudlinMutantMollusk: GAT_00: It would have never occurred to Mitt Romney to say thank you to a bartender.

Or any other servant

/probably a crappy tipper, too

He gives the Mormon Church 10%, why should the bartender deserve 20?


He gives the Mormon Church 10% which is tax deductible. Tips to the help aren't tax deductible.
 
2013-03-14 07:13:24 PM
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-03-14 07:14:29 PM

Speaker2Animals: Wait a minute -- doesn't Coke have caffeine? Aren't they supposed to eschew caffeine?


Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke


Apparently they clarified that the no caffeine thing is no coffee or tea containing caffeine.

/Absurdities.
//Not that I'm a lot better; I gave up caffeine for Lent but I'm still eating Hershey's bars
 
2013-03-14 07:15:04 PM
Real Women Drink Akvavit:

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke

They retconned back in the 70's to only prohibiting coffee. Coincidentally, the Mormon church also holds some stock in coke.
 
2013-03-14 07:15:07 PM
He still would have lost?
 
2013-03-14 07:15:34 PM
Dave Barry once said, "Someone who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person." Seems right to me.

/Lemon.
//Wet.
///Good.
 
2013-03-14 07:15:51 PM
It's ok for mormons to drink coke now? Not being mean here, I just don't know.
 
2013-03-14 07:17:28 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: GAT_00: It would have never occurred to Mitt Romney to say thank you to a bartender.

Or any other servant

/probably a crappy tipper, too


No, no. According to Romney, the REAL tip would be serving a true american like Romney.
 
2013-03-14 07:18:38 PM
Its always worth it to impress your friends by being a douche to the help.

Why does my Coke taste like Skoal?
 
2013-03-14 07:19:36 PM

Snarfangel: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke

Caffeine? Hell, I didn't think they were supposed to have carbonation!

No, distilled water with a single mint leaf is about as edgy as they get. And none of those exotic mints, either.


With a slice of white bread on the side, for dippin'?
 
2013-03-14 07:20:41 PM

RexTalionis: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke

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That can looks like a regular, caffeinated Diet Coke.

But regardless, the LDS church forbids tea and coffee, not caffeine per se.  Caffeine use is not encouraged, perhaps, but it is not forbidden.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54797595-78/church-drinks-caffeine -l ds.html.csp
 
2013-03-14 07:21:11 PM

NeverDrunk23: MaudlinMutantMollusk: GAT_00: It would have never occurred to Mitt Romney to say thank you to a bartender.

Or any other servant

/probably a crappy tipper, too

No, no. According to Romney, the REAL tip would be serving a true american like Romney.


That's not a tip

/that's the entire shaft
 
2013-03-14 07:22:57 PM
Romney walks, talks, breathes, and lives the "whole 47% issue". It would have come out eventually... this was just a nice, neat little package.
 
2013-03-14 07:24:12 PM

rustypouch: Snarfangel: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke

Caffeine? Hell, I didn't think they were supposed to have carbonation!

No, distilled water with a single mint leaf is about as edgy as they get. And none of those exotic mints, either.

With a slice of white bread on the side, for dippin'?


And for dessert, his favorite flavor popsicles: plain!
 
2013-03-14 07:25:29 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: As much as his dad seemed to be a decent guy, one must wonder if he was an elitist asshole as a father, teaching Mitt to never address the help directly.


As we have seen from the Bush clan, it might be the total asshole mother that affects the brood.
 
2013-03-14 07:25:38 PM
hey, let them go eat cupcakes, amirite?

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2013-03-14 07:26:09 PM

NotoriousW.O.P: Dave Barry once said, "Someone who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person." Seems right to me.


pretty much this.
 
2013-03-14 07:30:33 PM
So, he's saying what we already knew - Mitt Romney is a blue-ribbon douchebag.
 
2013-03-14 07:31:08 PM
Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!
 
2013-03-14 07:31:48 PM
IIRC, in some puff interview they asked Romney what his biggest vice was, and he said Diet Coke.
 
2013-03-14 07:32:05 PM
For want of a simple courtesy, a bartender was lost.

For want of a bartender, some privacy was lost.

For want of some privacy, an election was lost.

This is how all empires are lost
 
2013-03-14 07:33:53 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke


They generally avoid stimulants like coffee and tea, but there's nothing forbidding them from consuming drinks with caffeine in them.

And if there was a dietary rule against caffeinated beverages, then Mitt could opt for caffeine free diet Coke.
 
2013-03-14 07:36:08 PM

Parthenogenetic: RexTalionis: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke

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That can looks like a regular, caffeinated Diet Coke.

But regardless, the LDS church forbids tea and coffee, not caffeine per se.  Caffeine use is not encouraged, perhaps, but it is not forbidden.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54797595-78/church-drinks-caffeine -l ds.html.csp


That's just...  Weird/inconsistent.  Though, it IS a religion.
"Earl Gray Tea?  That's a drink of the SATAN.  But Monster Energy Drink is ok!"
 
2013-03-14 07:36:32 PM
Maybe the lemon had a seed in it.
 
2013-03-14 07:36:59 PM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


Wow, really? There's an actual academic study that confirms the welfare state is a slave plantation? I believe you! Shout it from the rooftops!
 
2013-03-14 07:38:16 PM

StopLurkListen: For want of a simple courtesy, a bartender was lost.

For want of a bartender, some privacy was lost.

For want of some privacy, an election was lost.

This is how all empires are lost


On the other hand, "Don't sweat the small stuff."
 
2013-03-14 07:39:17 PM
Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?
 
2013-03-14 07:40:27 PM

King Something: Christ, what an asshole.


Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-03-14 07:40:39 PM
Inexpensive portable video cameras since the late 80's.
Phones that can record video for at least 10 years.
Dozens of examples of politicians, celebrities and police and others recorded saying or doing really dumb stuff.

And yet we still see these folks acting as if it never occurred to them that what they say and do will get recorded and repeated.

Let's hope they never figure it out.
 
2013-03-14 07:40:55 PM

clambam: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Wow, really? There's an actual academic study that confirms the welfare state is a slave plantation? I believe you! Shout it from the rooftops!


It's not a "slave plantation," but it is dehumanizing*.  I guess it depends on how much you give a shiat about your condition and having to rely on the government for cash.

...

For that matter, how does it feel to rely on your *employer* to not fire your ass because he can't afford that 3rd Lexus he's been wanting for his self-entitled 17-year-old daughter.  I guess, at least, you get the sense of accomplishment from *earning* that check.

/*Having had to be on the state once before, I can tell you that, well, sir, I didn't like it.
//YMMV
 
2013-03-14 07:40:59 PM
Former bartender here. I don't expect anyone to lavishly praise my concoctions (especially if it's just a Diet Coke), but a simple nod or even a verbal "thanks" is always appreciated as a common courtesy. If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd still be gracious to "the help." These people work their asses off. I know I did.

Guys like Romney never learned that lesson. For him, the world exists to serve him and he needs not show gratitude. People like that always got on my nerves (and they were invariably horrible tippers, no matter their personal fortune).
 
2013-03-14 07:41:55 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: So, he's saying what we already knew - Mitt Romney is a blue-ribbon douchebag.


But not a Pabst®.

/ "I'm white elitist and I'm in trouble."
 
2013-03-14 07:42:19 PM

robsul82: IIRC, in some puff interview they asked Romney what his biggest vice was, and he said Diet Coke.


has Rmoney ever done any OTHER kind of interview?
 
2013-03-14 07:43:06 PM

Weaver95: "I handed him a diet Coke with lemon on it," Prouty told Huffington Post, "because I was told that that's what he drank. ... He took it and turned and didn't say anything. ... I presented him the exact right drink that he wanted ... Had it there, sitting there on a napkin. He took it out of my hand and turned his back without a 'thank you' or anything else. ... You can tell a lot about someone the way they take a drink from you. ... [Romney] took it and just turned his back."

yup.  it's the little things that tell you a lot about someone's character.


Some people might think this is petty, but having waited tables and tended bar, I think this guy is spot on. It's absolutely amazing how differently people act when you're serving them. Lots of people are just as nice as they are otherwise, but at least as many completely change when they're in that position. And yes, it truly does say a lot about what a person is really like.

And even my kids know they're supposed to say "thank you."
 
2013-03-14 07:43:56 PM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


Perhaps there's a reason for this.

If you replace "welfare queens" with "gun owners" it easily becomes hypocrisy. They identify a small minority that take advantage of the system. Fine. But when others point out that that the last mass shooting was done with 30 round magazines and a stupid AR, then IT'S MAH GUN RIGHTZ.

/I still support the 2nd Amendment.
//But I hate right wing hypocrisy.
 
2013-03-14 07:44:24 PM
You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.
 
2013-03-14 07:46:14 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: /thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke


I think that changed when the Mormon church became a major shareholder in the Coca-Cola corporation.
 
2013-03-14 07:46:23 PM

Pappas: Romney walks, talks, breathes, and lives the "whole 47% issue". It would have come out eventually... this was just a nice, neat little package.


At least we got to see the discomfiture of one of the pampered elite when he left his bubble and realized he was out in a world where people got to loudly and openly  disagree with things he said or call him on his previous comments.  Both Mitt and Ann.
 
2013-03-14 07:46:37 PM

Cletus C.: You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.


you know, generally speaking I go out of my way to show the wait staff common courtesy and basic polite behavior.  if nothing else it prevents them from spitting in my food.  of course, if YOU want to be jerks to the people who serve you that's your call.  spittle and stale bread really spice up that expensive steak dinner, or so i'm told.
 
2013-03-14 07:46:45 PM

Parthenogenetic: But regardless, the LDS church forbids tea and coffee, not caffeine per se.  Caffeine use is not encouraged, perhaps, but it is not forbidden.


Typical hair-splitting religious gobbledegook. How this religion survived the translation of the Rosetta Stone is one of life's great mysteries -- right up there with why people making less than a million dollars ever vote Republican.
 
2013-03-14 07:50:52 PM

dickfreckle: Former bartender here. I don't expect anyone to lavishly praise my concoctions (especially if it's just a Diet Coke), but a simple nod or even a verbal "thanks" is always appreciated as a common courtesy. If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd still be gracious to "the help." These people work their asses off. I know I did.

Guys like Romney never learned that lesson. For him, the world exists to serve him and he needs not show gratitude. People like that always got on my nerves (and they were invariably horrible tippers, no matter their personal fortune).


This. I'm friends with some of the bartenders at my local watering hole. After closing, it's not uncommon for them to complain about some rich a-hole running up a $300 check, and then leaving a tip of ten bucks or less.

15% is standard, 25% is classy, and 30% guarantees your drink is waiting for you before you get to the bar.

Plus, it's just a good idea not to piss off the people handling your food and drinks.
 
2013-03-14 07:54:09 PM

stoli n coke: dickfreckle: Former bartender here. I don't expect anyone to lavishly praise my concoctions (especially if it's just a Diet Coke), but a simple nod or even a verbal "thanks" is always appreciated as a common courtesy. If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd still be gracious to "the help." These people work their asses off. I know I did.

Guys like Romney never learned that lesson. For him, the world exists to serve him and he needs not show gratitude. People like that always got on my nerves (and they were invariably horrible tippers, no matter their personal fortune).

This. I'm friends with some of the bartenders at my local watering hole. After closing, it's not uncommon for them to complain about some rich a-hole running up a $300 check, and then leaving a tip of ten bucks or less.

15% is standard, 25% is classy, and 30% guarantees your drink is waiting for you before you get to the bar.

Plus, it's just a good idea not to piss off the people handling your food and drinks.


This, especially if you are a regular at a small mom and pop place.
 
2013-03-14 07:56:27 PM

Cletus C.: You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.


I don't think taking your parents out to Pizza Hut Lunch Buffet to ask them for help making your car payment necessarily qualifies as a "fundraiser".
 
2013-03-14 07:57:42 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: As much as his dad seemed to be a decent guy, one must wonder if he was an elitist asshole as a father, teaching Mitt to never address the help directly.


It seems to me that there's often a huge difference in attitude between people who have to work for their fortune vs. people who inherit it.  Mitt's father would fall in the former category as he worked his way up from humble beginnings, whereas Mitt falls in the second because he got a huge boost at the start of his career from his father's fortune and never knew what it was like to be poor.
 
2013-03-14 07:59:51 PM

Snarfangel: But the guy was serving alcohol. Thanking him would have condemned Romney's soul to Heck.


I hate that place. The lighting is always insufficient.
 
2013-03-14 08:00:45 PM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


Those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
 
2013-03-14 08:00:48 PM
Perhaps Romney was caught up in the moment, prepping for his speech, i don't really care about his treatment of the server (not something i would do it's rude not to say thank you)

it's not as important as the video, I am just thankful that we had access to the statement & the exposure of his interpretation of almost half of the population of the U.S.

/still know he wouldn't have won regardless of it but it was nice to see some truth to his character.
 
2013-03-14 08:01:25 PM

clambam: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Wow, really? There's an actual academic study that confirms the welfare state is a slave plantation? I believe you! Shout it from the rooftops!


Essentially, yes.

Finding a job, wedding and stopping having kids are all discouraged.
 
2013-03-14 08:02:15 PM

NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?


Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.
 
2013-03-14 08:03:37 PM

trotsky: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Perhaps there's a reason for this.

If you replace "welfare queens" with "gun owners" it easily becomes hypocrisy. They identify a small minority that take advantage of the system. Fine. But when others point out that that the last mass shooting was done with 30 round magazines and a stupid AR, then IT'S MAH GUN RIGHTZ.

/I still support the 2nd Amendment.
//But I hate right wing hypocrisy.


Your analogy makes no sense.
 
2013-03-14 08:04:40 PM

Man On Fire: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.


Do they mean tacos?  I love tacos.
 
2013-03-14 08:05:25 PM
Talk to the help? UGH!
 
2013-03-14 08:06:41 PM
I waitressed my way through college. I've also worked retail, customer service, and sales. I've been a cashier, a house painter, a temp and a telemarketer.

People who are rude or dismissive of the help can fark off. This is my first test of a person's character.  I have no idea how a politician can act like that. It's astonishing to me.
 
2013-03-14 08:06:50 PM
I always figured that $1/drink (even for a free glass of water) was a fair enough tip unless you're really drinking top shelf liquor. And that's of course not if you're running up a tab then standard rates apply.
 
2013-03-14 08:10:12 PM

Silly Jesus: clambam: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Wow, really? There's an actual academic study that confirms the welfare state is a slave plantation? I believe you! Shout it from the rooftops!

Essentially, yes.

Finding a job, wedding and stopping having kids are all discouraged.


Citation needed. It's funny how you folks can call a group of voters who essentially control electoral outcomes at this point a bunch of freeloading losers and then act surprised when they fail to vote the way you want them to. Has it occurred to you that, rather than them being parasites you think they are, you people might be just kind of stupid?
 
2013-03-14 08:10:56 PM
My dating litmus test is see how my date treats the server when going out because that how they will treat you one day.

Even if the 47% video Mitt still would have lost. not as bad though, he connects with the common man as welll Tequila connects with Champagne in your stomach
 
2013-03-14 08:11:29 PM
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-03-14 08:12:47 PM
Silly Jesus:
A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

That metaphor is so strained, it appears to have broken the entire concept of analogy irreparably for future generations. I hope you're happy.
 
2013-03-14 08:13:22 PM
What about the people who work at the companies he destroys?  You think he cares about them?
 
2013-03-14 08:14:02 PM
i.imgur.com

Four posts in a row. I'm sure he's made some very critical points and solid observations.
 
2013-03-14 08:15:33 PM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


I thought this was an obvious troll, but it clearly had some good elements.

It's a familiar theme, the "libs! libs! libs!" buying votes, but inventing a GSU study makes it specific, and a good lie is in the details. The bit about the democratic slave plantation evokes emotion, as slavery does, and it's vague enough that it makes one wonder about the original study and how it's been derpified.

And you might have gotten away with it, too, except no fundie would name themselves Silly Jesus, and someone this deep in the derp would probably say "democrat slave plantation." They would also never remember the name of the university that did the study.
 
2013-03-14 08:16:08 PM

what_now: I waitressed my way through college. I've also worked retail, customer service, and sales. I've been a cashier, a house painter, a temp and a telemarketer.

People who are rude or dismissive of the help can fark off. This is my first test of a person's character.  I have no idea how a politician can act like that. It's astonishing to me.


If only he had watched Downton Abbey!  It's like a "how to" for our modern day elite.
 
2013-03-14 08:17:38 PM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


I heard about that study on NPR today.

The conclusions are somewhat controversial and, according to some, don't match the actual analysis.

Of course, since I haven't read the study or seen the data behind the conclusions, I can't judge whether the abstract is reliable or not.

Have you read the study?  If so, do you have a link to the study and its data?  It's an interesting question and I'd like to understand the issue a bit better.
 
2013-03-14 08:18:07 PM

Kuta: I always figured that $1/drink (even for a free glass of water) was a fair enough tip unless you're really drinking top shelf liquor. And that's of course not if you're running up a tab then standard rates apply.


Good strategy, but also remember your pleases and thank yous. That's the difference between your server taking 3 minutes to make your drink and taking 10 minutes to make your drink.
 
2013-03-14 08:18:21 PM
Romney thinks he is better than most people. He grew up wealthy and privileged and has never had anyone tell him that money and power does not make you an inherently good person.
 
2013-03-14 08:18:25 PM
*sets fire to couch on which SJ is sitting*
 
2013-03-14 08:18:30 PM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


I *really* hope the GOP takes this sort of attitude.  that would be AWESOME!
 
2013-03-14 08:18:36 PM

clambam: Silly Jesus: clambam: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Wow, really? There's an actual academic study that confirms the welfare state is a slave plantation? I believe you! Shout it from the rooftops!

Essentially, yes.

Finding a job, wedding and stopping having kids are all discouraged.

Citation needed. It's funny how you folks can call a group of voters who essentially control electoral outcomes at this point a bunch of freeloading losers and then act surprised when they fail to vote the way you want them to. Has it occurred to you that, rather than them being parasites you think they are, you people might be just kind of stupid?


Here's the best article I found on it.  A link to the actual study (PDF) is at the bottom.

You folks?  What kinda folk am I?

So they aren't parasites?  How so?

I'm stupid because the study confirms what I've been saying?  Interdasting!

You seem smrt.
 
2013-03-14 08:19:15 PM

Erik_Emune: Silly Jesus:
A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

That metaphor is so strained, it appears to have broken the entire concept of analogy irreparably for future generations. I hope you're happy.


Just send me a check and I'll be happy.
 
2013-03-14 08:19:29 PM

crab66: Romney thinks he is better than most people. He grew up wealthy and privileged and has never had anyone tell him that money and power does not make you an inherently good person.


His god (which isn't Jesus, btw) says that money is proof of inherent virtue.
 
2013-03-14 08:19:30 PM
Romney left the impression that he would do or say anything that it took to get elected, except of course, release more tax returns.  I don't even think Romney was able to remember what his own true positions on the issues were by the time November rolled around.
 
2013-03-14 08:19:59 PM

Thats No Moose: [i.imgur.com image 600x176]

Four posts in a row. I'm sure he's made some very critical points and solid observations.


LOL
 
2013-03-14 08:21:39 PM

Silly Jesus: Here's the best article I found on it.


Where is the article?

You didn't actually link to anything.
 
2013-03-14 08:21:43 PM

LiberalWeenie: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

I thought this was an obvious troll, but it clearly had some good elements.

It's a familiar theme, the "libs! libs! libs!" buying votes, but inventing a GSU study makes it specific, and a good lie is in the details. The bit about the democratic slave plantation evokes emotion, as slavery does, and it's vague enough that it makes one wonder about the original study and how it's been derpified.

And you might have gotten away with it, too, except no fundie would name themselves Silly Jesus, and someone this deep in the derp would probably say "democrat slave plantation." They would also never remember the name of the university that did the study.


Here's the study...  http://aysps.gsu.edu/sites/default/files/documents/Rpt%20258FIN.pdf
 
2013-03-14 08:22:00 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke


The church decided it was OK when they discovered that they owned a big stock block.
 
2013-03-14 08:22:41 PM

stoli n coke: dickfreckle: Former bartender here. I don't expect anyone to lavishly praise my concoctions (especially if it's just a Diet Coke), but a simple nod or even a verbal "thanks" is always appreciated as a common courtesy. If I won the lottery tomorrow I'd still be gracious to "the help." These people work their asses off. I know I did.

Guys like Romney never learned that lesson. For him, the world exists to serve him and he needs not show gratitude. People like that always got on my nerves (and they were invariably horrible tippers, no matter their personal fortune).

This. I'm friends with some of the bartenders at my local watering hole. After closing, it's not uncommon for them to complain about some rich a-hole running up a $300 check, and then leaving a tip of ten bucks or less.

15% is standard, 25% is classy, and 30% guarantees your drink is waiting for you before you get to the bar.

Plus, it's just a good idea not to piss off the people handling your food and drinks.


I've always said that you can be a crap tipper but a fun person, but you can't be a crap tipper and an asshole to boot. Now in this case, it's assumed that someone from Romney's camp was signing the bill rather than Romney himself, but I can almost guarantee the bartender got screwed in some way. Dude makes $5 an hour.

CSB alert: Paul McCartney (of whom I'm a huge fan) not only stiffed me on a tip, but the entire tab, including the cocktail waitresses.

People enjoy saying that bartending is easy, but it isn't. Who do you think lugs those kegs? Runs to get ice while 40 people are screaming at him for a drink? Cleans up the sh*tstorm at the end of the night? It's a fun job much of the time, if you work in the right place, but it's still manual labor. If you aren't going to tip, at least say "Thank you." Or, as noted above, give a polite nod. This 'nozzle did neither.
 
2013-03-14 08:22:48 PM

eraser8: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

I heard about that study on NPR today.

The conclusions are somewhat controversial and, according to some, don't match the actual analysis.

Of course, since I haven't read the study or seen the data behind the conclusions, I can't judge whether the abstract is reliable or not.

Have you read the study?  If so, do you have a link to the study and its data?  It's an interesting question and I'd like to understand the issue a bit better.


http://aysps.gsu.edu/sites/default/files/documents/Rpt%20258FIN.pdf

The opposition to it was just some libby lib saying "NUH UH!"
 
2013-03-14 08:23:30 PM

Kittypie070: *sets fire to couch on which SJ is sitting*


THE COUCH WAS MADE OF CATS!

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!
 
2013-03-14 08:24:15 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

I *really* hope the GOP takes this sort of attitude.  that would be AWESOME!


What attitude is that?  Acknowledging facts?  I thought libby libs liked that attitude.  Which is it?
 
2013-03-14 08:24:53 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke


Lotta people think that, including many Mormons.  Actually, the "Word of Wisdom" health code prohibits "hot drinks."  The LDS Church says that means coffee or tea, and many extrapolate to "caffeinated beverages."
 
2013-03-14 08:25:05 PM

Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.


Welcome to the free market. Everyone looks at those below them as undeserving, unskilled, and lazy. Maybe you'd be happier if we were all be slaves to one Ubermensch.

Also, unless you were raised by wolves, you benefited from your ancestors' work. They provided you with opportunity. Now if only there were a large segment of American society that had all their opportunity stolen, leaving almost nothing to pass down...
 
2013-03-14 08:26:09 PM

Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

I *really* hope the GOP takes this sort of attitude.  that would be AWESOME!

What attitude is that?  Acknowledging facts?  I thought libby libs liked that attitude.  Which is it?


hey, i'm not gonna correct you.  I *want* to to act like a dick towards poor people.  call 'em slaves, insult their intelligence.  then ask them to vote for you!  great stuff.
 
2013-03-14 08:26:19 PM

Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.


Here comes the derp...
 
2013-03-14 08:26:42 PM

Lionel Mandrake: If he had simply not been an entitled, elitist dick...


Have you been to Boca Raton?
 
2013-03-14 08:26:55 PM

goatleggedfellow: Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.

Welcome to the free market. Everyone looks at those below them as undeserving, unskilled, and lazy. Maybe you'd be happier if we were all be slaves to one Ubermensch.

Also, unless you were raised by wolves, you benefited from your ancestors' work. They provided you with opportunity. Now if only there were a large segment of American society that had all their opportunity stolen, leaving almost nothing to pass down...


So having 8 babies while being unmarried and living off of a check from the government is "BECAUSE SLAVERY!!"?
 
2013-03-14 08:28:08 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

I *really* hope the GOP takes this sort of attitude.  that would be AWESOME!

What attitude is that?  Acknowledging facts?  I thought libby libs liked that attitude.  Which is it?

hey, i'm not gonna correct you.  I *want* to to act like a dick towards poor people.  call 'em slaves, insult their intelligence.  then ask them to vote for you!  great stuff.


I wasn't aware that I was running for office...or, if I were, that I'd be asking for the vote of the worthless.
 
2013-03-14 08:28:43 PM

Silly Jesus: So having 8 babies while being unmarried and living off of a check from the government is "BECAUSE SLAVERY!!"?


I don't see anything in there mentioning slavery. Nor does it mention that having 8 babies is the norm for welfare recipients.
 
2013-03-14 08:28:52 PM

Turbo Cojones: Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.

Here comes the derp...


I'm waiting...

Don't make promises and then withhold.  Not cool.
 
2013-03-14 08:29:44 PM

Silly Jesus: or, if I were, that I'd be asking for the vote of the worthless.


So you wouldn't be running as a Republican?
 
2013-03-14 08:30:18 PM

Mentat: I think that interview pretty much confirmed everything we thought about Romney.  I can see Clinton taking time to greet the staff while Romney and his buddies ignore them.  Even if Clinton is disingenuous, at least he has enough empathy to realize that pressing the common flesh is good politics.


It becomes more disingenuous when you realize that greeting the staff helps him find a hook up for the evening, be it hard drugs or soft women.
 
2013-03-14 08:30:47 PM

NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?


I wonder how much of it has nothing to do with the poverty line. Probably only a small amount. When I was in the army, I didn't pay taxes on the income I earned while deployed.  Nearly half of my military stint was in a war zone of some sort. So all deployed military aren't paying those taxes. They are a part of that 47%. Then I went to college, and the federal grants and scholarships weren't taxed.  The GI Bill wasn't taxed.  So all students who live off of grants, scholarships, or military education benefits aren't paying taxes. They are a part of that 47%. I just found out I was accepted into a PhD program (I start next fall, yay!), and with that comes a stipend for living expenses. I wonder if that will be taxed, or if grad students are all a part of that 47 percent.
 
2013-03-14 08:30:53 PM
Silly Jesus:

I wasn't aware that I was running for office...or, if I were, that I'd be asking for the vote of the worthless.

make sure that when you mistreat poor people that you do so openly.  because THAT will NEVER come back to haunt you later in life.  I'm also hoping that this imperial attitude of yours is common among senior GOP officials.  hey, it turned out great for the Romney campaign, right?  gotta figure that being insulting dick holes towards most of the voters in the country will work in 2016.

rock on man!  you keep right on being you.  I never want you to change!
 
2013-03-14 08:31:48 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Silly Jesus: So having 8 babies while being unmarried and living off of a check from the government is "BECAUSE SLAVERY!!"?

I don't see anything in there mentioning slavery. Nor does it mention that having 8 babies is the norm for welfare recipients.


It's conditioned response. Years of talk radio and idiot relatives have gotten SJ to immediately associate "welfare" with "unmarried black woman with 8 kids who drives a Cadillac and has a big screen TV, paid for by taxpayers."

Atwater would be proud.
 
2013-03-14 08:33:10 PM

stoli n coke: cameroncrazy1984: Silly Jesus: So having 8 babies while being unmarried and living off of a check from the government is "BECAUSE SLAVERY!!"?

I don't see anything in there mentioning slavery. Nor does it mention that having 8 babies is the norm for welfare recipients.

It's conditioned response. Years of talk radio and idiot relatives have gotten SJ to immediately associate "welfare" with "unmarried black woman with 8 kids who drives a Cadillac and has a big screen TV, paid for by taxpayers."

Atwater would be proud.


I *really* hope his attitude is common among the GOP.  it will make things ever so much easier down the road.
 
2013-03-14 08:34:08 PM

mgshamster: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

I wonder how much of it has nothing to do with the poverty line. Probably only a small amount. When I was in the army, I didn't pay taxes on the income I earned while deployed.  Nearly half of my military stint was in a war zone of some sort. So all deployed military aren't paying those taxes. They are a part of that 47%. Then I went to college, and the federal grants and scholarships weren't taxed.  The GI Bill wasn't taxed.  So all students who live off of grants, scholarships, or military education benefits aren't paying taxes. They are a part of that 47%. I just found out I was accepted into a PhD program (I start next fall, yay!), and with that comes a stipend for living expenses. I wonder if that will be taxed, or if grad students are all a part of that 47 percent.


FYI, grad student stipends are taxed.

/Grad student.
 
2013-03-14 08:34:59 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

I wasn't aware that I was running for office...or, if I were, that I'd be asking for the vote of the worthless.

make sure that when you mistreat poor people that you do so openly.  because THAT will NEVER come back to haunt you later in life.  I'm also hoping that this imperial attitude of yours is common among senior GOP officials.  hey, it turned out great for the Romney campaign, right?  gotta figure that being insulting dick holes towards most of the voters in the country will work in 2016.

rock on man!  you keep right on being you.  I never want you to change!


I'm conservative now?  You're really smart.  You should be the one running for office.

And yes, I will always think that the worthless are worthless.  I'm glad that you are able to dismiss reality and allow your heart to bleed for them.  The scourge on society that they are.  Imagine the progress that we could make if fewer people were in the cart and more were pulling?  And if people like you didn't hand out step ladders for people to climb into the cart....
 
2013-03-14 08:35:27 PM

TheSopwithTurtle: mgshamster: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

I wonder how much of it has nothing to do with the poverty line. Probably only a small amount. When I was in the army, I didn't pay taxes on the income I earned while deployed.  Nearly half of my military stint was in a war zone of some sort. So all deployed military aren't paying those taxes. They are a part of that 47%. Then I went to college, and the federal grants and scholarships weren't taxed.  The GI Bill wasn't taxed.  So all students who live off of grants, scholarships, or military education benefits aren't paying taxes. They are a part of that 47%. I just found out I was accepted into a PhD program (I start next fall, yay!), and with that comes a stipend for living expenses. I wonder if that will be taxed, or if grad students are all a part of that 47 percent.

FYI, grad student stipends are taxed.

/Grad student.


Also, congratulations!
 
2013-03-14 08:36:05 PM

stoli n coke: cameroncrazy1984: Silly Jesus: So having 8 babies while being unmarried and living off of a check from the government is "BECAUSE SLAVERY!!"?

I don't see anything in there mentioning slavery. Nor does it mention that having 8 babies is the norm for welfare recipients.

It's conditioned response. Years of talk radio and idiot relatives have gotten SJ to immediately associate "welfare" with "unmarried black woman with 8 kids who drives a Cadillac and has a big screen TV, paid for by taxpayers."

Atwater would be proud.


Do you have a citation showing that that's incorrect?
 
2013-03-14 08:36:31 PM
Silly Jesus:

And yes, I will always think that the worthless are worthless.  I'm glad that you are able to dismiss reality and allow your heart to bleed for them.  The scourge on society that they are.  Imagine the progress that we could make if fewer people were in the cart and more were pulling?  And if people like you didn't hand out step ladders for people to climb into the cart....

see - this is great!  you should make sure everyone in the room knows how much you hate poor people.  that's just too cool for words!
 
2013-03-14 08:38:00 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

And yes, I will always think that the worthless are worthless.  I'm glad that you are able to dismiss reality and allow your heart to bleed for them.  The scourge on society that they are.  Imagine the progress that we could make if fewer people were in the cart and more were pulling?  And if people like you didn't hand out step ladders for people to climb into the cart....

see - this is great!  you should make sure everyone in the room knows how much you hate poor people.  that's just too cool for words!


Loving societal and evolutionary rejects is an odd hobby.
 
2013-03-14 08:38:41 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: stoli n coke:

15% is standard, 25% is classy, and 30% guarantees your drink is waiting for you before you get to the bar.

Plus, it's just a good idea not to piss off the people handling your food and drinks.

This, especially if you are a regular at a small mom and pop place.


I love how servers have turned into the Mafia.  "Nice immune system you have there... be a shame if anything happened to it.  Now fark you, pay me."

Ah, well, it doesn't matter to me anymore.  When I became a genuine egalitarian, I stopped letting people be my servants.
 
2013-03-14 08:39:49 PM
Silly Jesus:
Loving societal and evolutionary rejects is an odd hobby.

true.  only useless hippies help the poor and heal the sick.  nobody you'd like, i'm sure.
 
2013-03-14 08:39:50 PM
Here's a graph proving Silly Jesus's point

growlersoftware.com
 
2013-03-14 08:39:52 PM
I was told that you can tell the character of a man by the way he treats animals.
 
2013-03-14 08:40:53 PM

Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

I wasn't aware that I was running for office...or, if I were, that I'd be asking for the vote of the worthless.

make sure that when you mistreat poor people that you do so openly.  because THAT will NEVER come back to haunt you later in life.  I'm also hoping that this imperial attitude of yours is common among senior GOP officials.  hey, it turned out great for the Romney campaign, right?  gotta figure that being insulting dick holes towards most of the voters in the country will work in 2016.

rock on man!  you keep right on being you.  I never want you to change!

I'm conservative now?  You're really smart.  You should be the one running for office.

And yes, I will always think that the worthless are worthless.  I'm glad that you are able to dismiss reality and allow your heart to bleed for them.  The scourge on society that they are.  Imagine the progress that we could make if fewer people were in the cart and more were pulling?  And if people like you didn't hand out step ladders for people to climb into the cart....


You would fit in quite well in Boca Raton.
 
2013-03-14 08:41:05 PM

Silly Jesus: clambam: Silly Jesus: clambam: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Wow, really? There's an actual academic study that confirms the welfare state is a slave plantation? I believe you! Shout it from the rooftops!

Essentially, yes.

Finding a job, wedding and stopping having kids are all discouraged.

Citation needed. It's funny how you folks can call a group of voters who essentially control electoral outcomes at this point a bunch of freeloading losers and then act surprised when they fail to vote the way you want them to. Has it occurred to you that, rather than them being parasites you think they are, you people might be just kind of stupid?

Here's the best article I found on it.  A link to the actual study (PDF) is at the bottom.

You folks?  What kinda folk am I?

So they aren't parasites?  How so?

I'm stupid because the study confirms what I've been saying?  Interdasting!

You seem smrt.


No, you're stupid because you think you can insult the people who determined the winner of the last election and probably all the important ones from now on and they'll still vote for you. That is either incredible stupidity or something akin to political Tourette's Syndrome. Under the circumstances you're probably better off forgetting about the issues and just concentrating on voter suppression, and outright fraud, 'cause you sure ain't gonna win on the merits. However, if it makes you feel better to express your hatred and contempt for the new face of America, by all means...
 
2013-03-14 08:41:27 PM

impaler: Here's a graph proving Silly Jesus's point

[growlersoftware.com image 579x396]


If you want work, it's there to be found.  The Hispanics down at Home Depot don't seem to be on that chart.
 
2013-03-14 08:42:05 PM

Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

I wasn't aware that I was running for office...or, if I were, that I'd be asking for the vote of the worthless.

make sure that when you mistreat poor people that you do so openly.  because THAT will NEVER come back to haunt you later in life.  I'm also hoping that this imperial attitude of yours is common among senior GOP officials.  hey, it turned out great for the Romney campaign, right?  gotta figure that being insulting dick holes towards most of the voters in the country will work in 2016.

rock on man!  you keep right on being you.  I never want you to change!

I'm conservative now?  You're really smart.  You should be the one running for office.

And yes, I will always think that the worthless are worthless.  I'm glad that you are able to dismiss reality and allow your heart to bleed for them.  The scourge on society that they are.  Imagine the progress that we could make if fewer people were in the cart and more were pulling?  And if people like you didn't hand out step ladders for people to climb into the cart....

You would fit in quite well in Boca Raton.


I hate Florida.
 
2013-03-14 08:43:18 PM

Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

I wasn't aware that I was running for office...or, if I were, that I'd be asking for the vote of the worthless.

make sure that when you mistreat poor people that you do so openly.  because THAT will NEVER come back to haunt you later in life.  I'm also hoping that this imperial attitude of yours is common among senior GOP officials.  hey, it turned out great for the Romney campaign, right?  gotta figure that being insulting dick holes towards most of the voters in the country will work in 2016.

rock on man!  you keep right on being you.  I never want you to change!

I'm conservative now?  You're really smart.  You should be the one running for office.

And yes, I will always think that the worthless are worthless.  I'm glad that you are able to dismiss reality and allow your heart to bleed for them.  The scourge on society that they are.  Imagine the progress that we could make if fewer people were in the cart and more were pulling?  And if people like you didn't hand out step ladders for people to climb into the cart....

You would fit in quite well in Boca Raton.

I hate Florida.


So do most Floridians. You'd fit right in!
 
2013-03-14 08:43:47 PM

clambam: Silly Jesus: clambam: Silly Jesus: clambam: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Wow, really? There's an actual academic study that confirms the welfare state is a slave plantation? I believe you! Shout it from the rooftops!

Essentially, yes.

Finding a job, wedding and stopping having kids are all discouraged.

Citation needed. It's funny how you folks can call a group of voters who essentially control electoral outcomes at this point a bunch of freeloading losers and then act surprised when they fail to vote the way you want them to. Has it occurred to you that, rather than them being parasites you think they are, you people might be just kind of stupid?

Here's the best article I found on it.  A link to the actual study (PDF) is at the bottom.

You folks?  What kinda folk am I?

So they aren't parasites?  How so?

I'm stupid because the study confirms what I've been saying?  Interdasting!

You seem smrt.

No, you're stupid because you think you can insult the people who determined the winner of the last election and probably all the important ones from now on and they'll still vote for you. That is either incredible stupidity or something akin to political Tourette's Syndrome. Under the circumstances you're probably better off forgetting about the issues and just concentrating on voter suppression, and outright fraud, 'cause you sure ain't gonna win on the merits. However, if it makes you feel better to express your hatred and contempt for the new face of America, by all means...


I don't think that the libertarian party has much of a chance of winning whether I am actively sucking up to parasites or not.  I'll let parasite fetishism continue to be the specialty of you and your ilk.
 
2013-03-14 08:43:48 PM

Silly Jesus: impaler: Here's a graph proving Silly Jesus's point

[growlersoftware.com image 579x396]

If you want work, it's there to be found.  The Hispanics down at Home Depot don't seem to be on that chart.


again - it's this attitude that helped the GOP lose the last election.  But hey, its all good.  you 'aren't a Republican' right?  you're unaffected by the gains of the Democratic party.  a 'fark independent', I believe, yes?  so you've got nothing to worry about.  nothing at all!
 
2013-03-14 08:44:39 PM
Silly Jesus:
I don't think that the libertarian party has much of a chance of winning whether I am actively sucking up to parasites or not.  I'll let parasite fetishism continue to be the specialty of you and your ilk.

do you consider yourself an ayn rand objectivist?
 
2013-03-14 08:45:38 PM

Turbo Cojones: Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.

Here comes the derp...


It's just the natural outcome of capitalism.  Wealth flows into a few hands, leaving the source of wealth in poverty.  The game is in danger.  Government redistributes wealth to keep the game going.
 
2013-03-14 08:46:14 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus: impaler: Here's a graph proving Silly Jesus's point

[growlersoftware.com image 579x396]

If you want work, it's there to be found.  The Hispanics down at Home Depot don't seem to be on that chart.

again - it's this attitude that helped the GOP lose the last election.  But hey, its all good.  you 'aren't a Republican' right?  you're unaffected by the gains of the Democratic party.  a 'fark independent', I believe, yes?  so you've got nothing to worry about.  nothing at all!


What, exactly, do you get out of fellating parasites?  Just their votes?  Or does it make your heart bleed a little whenever you can force society to buy groceries / beer / lottery tickets etc. for the lazy and worthless?  I mean, do you actually feel a sacred connection to these people?  Or is it purely vote farming?

Libertarian, btw.
 
2013-03-14 08:46:52 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus:
I don't think that the libertarian party has much of a chance of winning whether I am actively sucking up to parasites or not.  I'll let parasite fetishism continue to be the specialty of you and your ilk.

do you consider yourself an ayn rand objectivist?


Somewhat.
 
2013-03-14 08:47:30 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Turbo Cojones: Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.

Here comes the derp...

It's just the natural outcome of capitalism.  Wealth flows into a few hands, leaving the source of wealth in poverty.  The game is in danger.  Government redistributes wealth to keep the game going.


LOL
 
2013-03-14 08:47:44 PM

Silly Jesus: impaler: Here's a graph proving Silly Jesus's point

[growlersoftware.com image 579x396]

If you want work, it's there to be found.  The Hispanics down at Home Depot don't seem to be on that chart.


But nobody really wants work; not the poor and certainly not Romney.  People want income!
 
2013-03-14 08:47:45 PM

Silly Jesus: impaler: Here's a graph proving Silly Jesus's point

[growlersoftware.com image 579x396]

If you want work, it's there to be found.  The Hispanics down at Home Depot don't seem to be on that chart.


So 5% of the population just decided to stop working between March '08 and June '09? I'm glad you agree with the graph.

www.joeydevilla.com
 
2013-03-14 08:48:53 PM

Silly Jesus: The opposition to it was just some libby lib saying "NUH UH!"


Thanks for the link...but, I found the study on my own.  And, reading through it, I have to agree with the people who find the abstract unconvincing.

If there's an important claim in the study, it's this:  In some cases, the cost of earning an additional $100 of income is a loss of benefits double that amount (Figure 3a, section E).

That claim seems undeniably true.  But, it doesn't actually support your argument that people who use government assistance are "worthless" or "parasites."

Instead, the study seems to show that government assistance programs are poorly designed.  And, quite frankly, a lot of that poor design has to do with right wingnut interference.

A person should NEVER be penalized for earning more money.  That is, every extra dollar earned should be worth more than relying on government to provide a service.  But, under systems heavily influenced by Republican thinking, the opposite happens.  In fact, the Republican ransom for keeping people out of poverty seems to be a system in which people are condemned to poverty.

The problem isn't government assistance.  The problem is that government assistance has had to accommodate Republican "thinking."  The disaster has been "conservative" ideology.

Take Medicaid for example.  A poor mother is going to avoid making more money if an increase in income means that her child will lack medical care because her wages are too high to qualify for government assistance and too low to pay for the doctors and medications needed to keep her child alive.  The liberal position is to give the mother support for much longer.  The conservative position is to let the kid die.

That's tragic and stupid.
 
2013-03-14 08:49:20 PM

emotion_lotion: I was told that you can tell the character of a man by the way he treats animals.


By strapping them to a roof.

growlersoftware.com
 
2013-03-14 08:49:52 PM
Silly Jesus:
What, exactly, do you get out of fellating parasites?  Just their votes?  Or does it make your heart bleed a little whenever you can force society to buy groceries / beer / lottery tickets etc. for the lazy and worthless?  I mean, do you actually feel a sacred connection to these people?  Or is it purely vote farming?

Oh this isnt' about me.  this is about the GOP.  well, the evangelical Christians too, I suppose.  not that I actually WANT you to have a clear understanding of how/why the Republicans (and by default the rich elite) are going to continue to lose...it would be counter productive.  nope.  shine on you crazy diamond!

Libertarian, btw.

objectivist?
 
2013-03-14 08:49:55 PM

Silly Jesus: BarkingUnicorn: Turbo Cojones: Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.

Here comes the derp...

It's just the natural outcome of capitalism.  Wealth flows into a few hands, leaving the source of wealth in poverty.  The game is in danger.  Government redistributes wealth to keep the game going.

LOL


Capitalism works just like the  water cycle.
 
2013-03-14 08:50:01 PM
Not his style.
 
2013-03-14 08:50:45 PM
 You can tell a lot about someone the way they take a drink from you.
 You can tell a lot about someone the way they take a drink from you.
 You can tell a lot about someone the way they take a drink from you.
 
2013-03-14 08:50:52 PM

impaler: Silly Jesus: impaler: Here's a graph proving Silly Jesus's point

[growlersoftware.com image 579x396]

If you want work, it's there to be found.  The Hispanics down at Home Depot don't seem to be on that chart.

So 5% of the population just decided to stop working between March '08 and June '09? I'm glad you agree with the graph.

[www.joeydevilla.com image 450x711]


The help wanted signs at the local Papa Johns and McDonalds etc. never came down during that time and the Hispanic folks were still in front of Home Depot starting at 5am and routinely jumping into the backs of pick-ups.
 
2013-03-14 08:51:11 PM

Weaver95: Libertarian, btw.

objectivist?


Weaver! Noo!  Don't throw your evening away like this!

Think about it.  It's a Thursday night.  You have so much else to fark for!
 
2013-03-14 08:51:12 PM

Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:
I don't think that the libertarian party has much of a chance of winning whether I am actively sucking up to parasites or not.  I'll let parasite fetishism continue to be the specialty of you and your ilk.

do you consider yourself an ayn rand objectivist?

Somewhat.


kinda figured.  you got that vibe.
 
2013-03-14 08:51:49 PM

Chariset: Weaver95: Libertarian, btw.

objectivist?

Weaver! Noo!  Don't throw your evening away like this!

Think about it.  It's a Thursday night.  You have so much else to fark for!


I've had a lot of coffee.
 
2013-03-14 08:52:45 PM

impaler: Silly Jesus: impaler: Here's a graph proving Silly Jesus's point

[growlersoftware.com image 579x396]

If you want work, it's there to be found.  The Hispanics down at Home Depot don't seem to be on that chart.

So 5% of the population just decided to stop working between March '08 and June '09? I'm glad you agree with the graph.

[www.joeydevilla.com image 450x711]


Basically, work got a little bit harder to find, and 5% of folks decided that it wasn't worth the effort.  The harder it gets to find work (having to apply at more than one place / getting creative / moving) then you will find that a percentage of the population gives up and sucks on the government teat.  If it took 50% more effort to find work you'd probably find another X% of lazy people joining the unemployment pool.
 
2013-03-14 08:52:53 PM

eraser8: A person should NEVER be penalized for earning more money.


There goes the progressive tax system.
 
2013-03-14 08:54:28 PM

eraser8: The conservative position is to let the kid die.


Now this isn't entirely true. Close, but not entirely. The conservative position is that the mother will work harder to provide for her child and be stronger, wealthier and more free for the effort.
What they don't really specify is where or what she's going to work harder at, and their policies favor outsourcing unskilled labor, repealing the minimum wage, AND defunding education, eliminating all the avenues she would have to work harder, and thus condemning her child to death anyway.
Just saying they want the kid to die doesn't begin to do justice to their hypocrisy and cruelty.
 
2013-03-14 08:54:29 PM

BarkingUnicorn: eraser8: A person should NEVER be penalized for earning more money.

There goes the progressive tax system.


Not really. In the progressive tax system, if you make more money, you always take home more money.
 
2013-03-14 08:56:36 PM
BarkingUnicorn: There goes the progressive tax system. I don't understand progressive taxes.

FTFY
 
2013-03-14 08:56:44 PM

Silly Jesus: http://aysps.gsu.edu/sites/default/files/documents/Rpt%20258FIN.pdf

The opposition to it was just some libby lib saying "NUH UH!"


So reading some of that study, it's just saying that in Georgia welfare benefits declines faster than wages rises, meaning you get less than the value of your dollar that you worked, especially for wages much lower for what's even plausible for minimum wage. I'm not too sure what your point is, other than the state of Georgia is cheap, as I would expect a Republican state to be.
 
2013-03-14 08:57:18 PM
dickfreckle:
Guys like Romney never learned that lesson. For him, the world exists to serve him and he needs not show gratitude. People like that always got on my nerves (and they were invariably horrible tippers, no matter their personal fortune).

He should have gotten his drink stirred with a dick, eh?  :)
 
2013-03-14 08:57:29 PM

eraser8: Silly Jesus: The opposition to it was just some libby lib saying "NUH UH!"

Thanks for the link...but, I found the study on my own.  And, reading through it, I have to agree with the people who find the abstract unconvincing.

If there's an important claim in the study, it's this:  In some cases, the cost of earning an additional $100 of income is a loss of benefits double that amount (Figure 3a, section E).

That claim seems undeniably true.  But, it doesn't actually support your argument that people who use government assistance are "worthless" or "parasites."

Instead, the study seems to show that government assistance programs are poorly designed.  And, quite frankly, a lot of that poor design has to do with right wingnut interference.

A person should NEVER be penalized for earning more money.  That is, every extra dollar earned should be worth more than relying on government to provide a service.  But, under systems heavily influenced by Republican thinking, the opposite happens.  In fact, the Republican ransom for keeping people out of poverty seems to be a system in which people are condemned to poverty.

The problem isn't government assistance.  The problem is that government assistance has had to accommodate Republican "thinking."  The disaster has been "conservative" ideology.

Take Medicaid for example.  A poor mother is going to avoid making more money if an increase in income means that her child will lack medical care because her wages are too high to qualify for government assistance and too low to pay for the doctors and medications needed to keep her child alive.  The liberal position is to give the mother support for much longer.  The conservative position is to let the kid die.

That's tragic and stupid.


It's amazing that you actually read the study and got it so wrong.

Money incentives behavior.

We'll pay you more money if you have a baby...and another...and another.

We'll pay you more money if you're not married.

Etc.

Liberals think that throwing more money at them and for longer will discourage the behavior that is being rewarded.  That goes against all instinct and logic.

Tax something (take money away / implement penalties) and you have less of it.
Subsidize something, and you get more of it.

Welfare should be severely time restricted, there should be work requirements a bit more stringent than Obama's "journal keeping" and "meditation" requirements.  Every step should be taken to discourage it's use...not to encourage it.
 
2013-03-14 08:57:43 PM

Silly Jesus: Basically, work got a little bit harder to find, and 5% of folks decided that it wasn't worth the effort.


This is so true, and liberals don't understand it. There weren't less jobs at the end of 2009, employers were just hiding them better.
 
2013-03-14 08:59:07 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus:
What, exactly, do you get out of fellating parasites?  Just their votes?  Or does it make your heart bleed a little whenever you can force society to buy groceries / beer / lottery tickets etc. for the lazy and worthless?  I mean, do you actually feel a sacred connection to these people?  Or is it purely vote farming?

Oh this isnt' about me.  this is about the GOP.  well, the evangelical Christians too, I suppose.  not that I actually WANT you to have a clear understanding of how/why the Republicans (and by default the rich elite) are going to continue to lose...it would be counter productive.  nope.  shine on you crazy diamond!

Libertarian, btw.

objectivist?


I voted for FartBongo...I like sciency things, so I don't really ever want the current incarnation of Republicans to win.  FartBongo was the shiniest of two immense turds.

Somewhat objectivist.
 
2013-03-14 08:59:34 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus:
What, exactly, do you get out of fellating parasites?  Just their votes?  Or does it make your heart bleed a little whenever you can force society to buy groceries / beer / lottery tickets etc. for the lazy and worthless?  I mean, do you actually feel a sacred connection to these people?  Or is it purely vote farming?

Oh this isnt' about me.  this is about the GOP.  well, the evangelical Christians too, I suppose.  not that I actually WANT you to have a clear understanding of how/why the Republicans (and by default the rich elite) are going to continue to lose...it would be counter productive.  nope.  shine on you crazy diamond!

Libertarian, btw.

objectivist?


Nah, SJ strikes me as a "libertarian," as in "someone who got tired of being laughed at when he told people he voted for Bush twice."

A lot of those started popping up around '06.
 
2013-03-14 09:00:02 PM

Silly Jesus: Welfare should be severely time restricted, there should be work requirements a bit more stringent than Obama's "journal keeping" and "meditation" requirements.  Every step should be taken to discourage it's use...not to encourage it.


yeah!  f*ck the poor!  obviously they WANTED their jobs outsourced!  sneaky gits!
 
2013-03-14 09:00:07 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Silly Jesus: BarkingUnicorn: Turbo Cojones: Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.

Here comes the derp...

It's just the natural outcome of capitalism.  Wealth flows into a few hands, leaving the source of wealth in poverty.  The game is in danger.  Government redistributes wealth to keep the game going.

LOL

Capitalism works just like the  water cycle.


Welfare states aren't capitalistic.
 
2013-03-14 09:00:09 PM

Silly Jesus: Welfare should be severely time restricted, there should be work requirements a bit more stringent than Obama's "journal keeping" and "meditation" requirements.


You'll be glad to hear that's exactly what we have.
 
2013-03-14 09:00:44 PM
Silly Jesus:
Somewhat objectivist.

no, I think you're somewhat more than that.
 
2013-03-14 09:01:04 PM

BarkingUnicorn: eraser8: A person should NEVER be penalized for earning more money.

There goes the progressive tax system.


Nope.

In a progressive tax system, you will NEVER have less in take-home pay because your gross income increases.  Not by virtue of the tax structure, at least.  NEVER.

I have quite a few friends who are physicians and who are super smart people...but, they don't seem to understand the first thing about tax policy.  I've had to disabuse more than a few of them that they will not suffer a financial penalty by breaking into a new tax bracket.

For some reason, these highly educated and highly intelligent people have been fooled into thinking that ALL of their income will be taxed at a higher rate if their income exceeds a given amount.  It's almost fun watching their faces contort into masks of disbelief when the realities of the marginal tax rate system are explained to them.
 
2013-03-14 09:02:51 PM

impaler: Silly Jesus: Basically, work got a little bit harder to find, and 5% of folks decided that it wasn't worth the effort.

This is so true, and liberals don't understand it. There weren't less jobs at the end of 2009, employers were just hiding them better.


Those "now hiring" signs that never came down were just mirages, as were the Hispanics!
 
2013-03-14 09:02:55 PM

BarkingUnicorn: thismomentinblackhistory: stoli n coke:

15% is standard, 25% is classy, and 30% guarantees your drink is waiting for you before you get to the bar.

Plus, it's just a good idea not to piss off the people handling your food and drinks.

This, especially if you are a regular at a small mom and pop place.

I love how servers have turned into the Mafia.  "Nice immune system you have there... be a shame if anything happened to it.  Now fark you, pay me."

Ah, well, it doesn't matter to me anymore.  When I became a genuine egalitarian, I stopped letting people be my servants.


You honestly don't think it's always been this way? I'd wager that many a plantation owner got some "special seasoning" in the gravy.

Bottom line, you treat the people that serve you like shiat, expect shiat in return.
 
2013-03-14 09:04:02 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Welfare should be severely time restricted, there should be work requirements a bit more stringent than Obama's "journal keeping" and "meditation" requirements.  Every step should be taken to discourage it's use...not to encourage it.

yeah!  f*ck the poor!  obviously they WANTED their jobs outsourced!  sneaky gits!


So I should pay for you to keep a journal?

The Waffle House is outsourcing hobs?
 
2013-03-14 09:04:12 PM

impaler: BarkingUnicorn: eraser8: A person should NEVER be penalized for earning more money.

There goes the progressive tax system.

Not really. In the progressive tax system, if you make more money, you always take home more money.


The penalty is a higher marginal tax rate.

OTOH, I read recently an argument that the poor's marginal tax rate is on the order of 80% to 90% in the $12K to $18K income range.  That's taking into account reductions in total spendable cash and non-cash government assistance as income rises in that range.  A person who works for an extra dollar gets a net 12 cent gain in resources.

So yeah, the slope one has to climb to get out of poverty and off the dole is very steep and it's no surprise that many can't or won't climb it.
 
2013-03-14 09:04:46 PM

mgshamster: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

I wonder how much of it has nothing to do with the poverty line. Probably only a small amount. When I was in the army, I didn't pay taxes on the income I earned while deployed.  Nearly half of my military stint was in a war zone of some sort. So all deployed military aren't paying those taxes. They are a part of that 47%. Then I went to college, and the federal grants and scholarships weren't taxed.  The GI Bill wasn't taxed.  So all students who live off of grants, scholarships, or military education benefits aren't paying taxes. They are a part of that 47%. I just found out I was accepted into a PhD program (I start next fall, yay!), and with that comes a stipend for living expenses. I wonder if that will be taxed, or if grad students are all a part of that 47 percent.


Don't forget the elderly, who worked all their lives and now live off savings and/or social security. They're in that 47%. Hell, a family of five making 50 grand a year could avoid paying income tax with the right deductions. Basically, whether or not someone pays income tax is in no way an indication of how much work they do.
 
2013-03-14 09:04:50 PM

impaler: Silly Jesus: Welfare should be severely time restricted, there should be work requirements a bit more stringent than Obama's "journal keeping" and "meditation" requirements.

You'll be glad to hear that's exactly what we have.


I know.  Obama says that keeping a journal qualifies as looking for work and you need to pay me for it.  Check please!
 
2013-03-14 09:06:08 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus:
Somewhat objectivist.

no, I think you're somewhat more than that.


Well, you do know everything.  You've already determined my political party (wrong), voting history (wrong), and complete philosophical beliefs (wrong).  Anything else interesting that you know about me that I wasn't even aware of?
 
2013-03-14 09:06:37 PM

Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Welfare should be severely time restricted, there should be work requirements a bit more stringent than Obama's "journal keeping" and "meditation" requirements.  Every step should be taken to discourage it's use...not to encourage it.

yeah!  f*ck the poor!  obviously they WANTED their jobs outsourced!  sneaky gits!

So I should pay for you to keep a journal?

The Waffle House is outsourcing hobs?


now there are some VERY interesting assumptions and implications buried in those comments.  again, you are completely and in all ways totally wrong about pretty much everything...but that's ok.  I'm counting on that, remember?
 
2013-03-14 09:06:56 PM

Silly Jesus: BarkingUnicorn: Silly Jesus: BarkingUnicorn: Turbo Cojones: Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.

Here comes the derp...

It's just the natural outcome of capitalism.  Wealth flows into a few hands, leaving the source of wealth in poverty.  The game is in danger.  Government redistributes wealth to keep the game going.

LOL

Capitalism works just like the  water cycle.

Welfare states aren't capitalistic.


Clouds aren't rivers, but both carry water and complement each other.  Welfare is the cloud, capitalism the river, money is water.
 
2013-03-14 09:07:22 PM

BarkingUnicorn: The penalty is a higher marginal tax rate.


And the reward is more income that far exceeds the penalty.
 
2013-03-14 09:07:51 PM

Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:
Somewhat objectivist.

no, I think you're somewhat more than that.

Well, you do know everything.  You've already determined my political party (wrong), voting history (wrong), and complete philosophical beliefs (wrong).  Anything else interesting that you know about me that I wasn't even aware of?


nope, I think you're perfect just the way you are.  don't change a thing!
 
2013-03-14 09:08:32 PM

eraser8: BarkingUnicorn: eraser8: A person should NEVER be penalized for earning more money.

There goes the progressive tax system.

Nope.

In a progressive tax system, you will NEVER have less in take-home pay because your gross income increases.  Not by virtue of the tax structure, at least.  NEVER.

I have quite a few friends who are physicians and who are super smart people...but, they don't seem to understand the first thing about tax policy.  I've had to disabuse more than a few of them that they will not suffer a financial penalty by breaking into a new tax bracket.

For some reason, these highly educated and highly intelligent people have been fooled into thinking that ALL of their income will be taxed at a higher rate if their income exceeds a given amount.  It's almost fun watching their faces contort into masks of disbelief when the realities of the marginal tax rate system are explained to them.


Progressive tax rates are asinine.
 
2013-03-14 09:09:54 PM

Silly Jesus: Finding a job, wedding and stopping having kids are all discouraged..


And which party is working hard to prevent people from getting married?
 
2013-03-14 09:10:06 PM

Silly Jesus: Progressive tax rates are asinine.


Unless you understand basic economics.
 
2013-03-14 09:10:35 PM

Silly Jesus: It's amazing that you actually read the study and got it so wrong.


I don't believe for a moment that you actually read the study.   You couldn't possibly have and come to the conclusions that you did.

Silly Jesus: Money incentives behavior.


That's true.  Without question.  The problem is that you're missing the reason for the failure of these programs.  It IS NOT that the recipients of assistance are worthless; it's not that they're parasites; it's that "conservative" thinking has made dependence a better choice than independence.  These people are being absolutely rational.

And, the point that "conservatives" miss is that elimination of government assistance would not solve the problem.  It would turn the poor into wage slaves or starve them to death (which, honestly, might be the goal).

The best solution is the liberal one: give assistance...but, make sure that independence holds real benefits for people at the lowest end of the income scale.
 
2013-03-14 09:10:45 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Silly Jesus: BarkingUnicorn: Silly Jesus: BarkingUnicorn: Turbo Cojones: Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.

Here comes the derp...

It's just the natural outcome of capitalism.  Wealth flows into a few hands, leaving the source of wealth in poverty.  The game is in danger.  Government redistributes wealth to keep the game going.

LOL

Capitalism works just like the  water cycle.

Welfare states aren't capitalistic.

Clouds aren't rivers, but both carry water and complement each other.  Welfare is the cloud, capitalism the river, money is water.


You are high.
 
2013-03-14 09:11:09 PM

eraser8: BarkingUnicorn: eraser8: A person should NEVER be penalized for earning more money.

There goes the progressive tax system.

Nope.

In a progressive tax system, you will NEVER have less in take-home pay because your gross income increases. Not by virtue of the tax structure, at least. NEVER.


Keeping less of every additional dollar you earn is the penalty.  Every unit of value you provide pays you less, just because you provide more value.
 
2013-03-14 09:11:24 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Welfare should be severely time restricted, there should be work requirements a bit more stringent than Obama's "journal keeping" and "meditation" requirements.  Every step should be taken to discourage it's use...not to encourage it.

yeah!  f*ck the poor!  obviously they WANTED their jobs outsourced!  sneaky gits!

So I should pay for you to keep a journal?

The Waffle House is outsourcing hobs?

now there are some VERY interesting assumptions and implications buried in those comments.  again, you are completely and in all ways totally wrong about pretty much everything...but that's ok.  I'm counting on that, remember?


I think you were trying to sound intellectual, but it just came out as derp.  Try again.
 
2013-03-14 09:11:29 PM

Silly Jesus: Progressive tax rates are asinine.


Now if you just mention Fair Tax or "skin in the game", I'll have a Fark IndependentTM bingo.
 
2013-03-14 09:11:51 PM

Silly Jesus: Basically, work got a little bit harder to find, and 5% of folks decided that it wasn't worth the effort.


LOL
 
2013-03-14 09:12:05 PM

impaler: BarkingUnicorn: The penalty is a higher marginal tax rate.

And the reward is more income that far exceeds the penalty.


That reward comes from my labor; the penalty comes from the progressive tax system.
 
2013-03-14 09:12:13 PM

The Why Not Guy: Silly Jesus: Finding a job, wedding and stopping having kids are all discouraged..

And which party is working hard to prevent people from getting married?


The party that pays you to not get married?
 
2013-03-14 09:12:15 PM
Silly Jesus:

I think you were trying to sound intellectual, but it just came out as derp.  Try again.

nah.  I think it's awesome.  I'm just hoping a lot of Republicans believe the same things you do.
 
2013-03-14 09:12:53 PM

eraser8: I don't believe for a moment that you actually read the study. You couldn't possibly have and come to the conclusions that you did.


This.
 
2013-03-14 09:13:03 PM

impaler: Silly Jesus: Progressive tax rates are asinine.

Unless you understand basic economics.


Basic librul economics.

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!
 
2013-03-14 09:13:46 PM
BarkingUnicorn:
That reward comes from my labor;

um...no.  real wages for most of this country have been flat for 30 odd years.  it literally doesn't matter how hard you work...most of the wealth in this country goes to the elite 1% that run the show.
 
2013-03-14 09:14:38 PM
Gee, didn't we start out talking about mittens and his clueless behavior?  Anyway, my two cents: during the campagn, the Romneys went on talking about how they were just scraping by whilst in college. Is there a rule at BYU forbidding students from taking part-time jobs?  Any alums out there?  If not, why didn't they get jobs working in a restaurant, stocking and bagging at a grocery store, or any of the other things that students to to earn a little extra cash?  If they made a conscious decision not to, isn't that a tell-tale about their attitudes about blue collar labor?  Just a thought.
 
2013-03-14 09:14:54 PM
Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.
 
2013-03-14 09:15:15 PM

eraser8: Silly Jesus: It's amazing that you actually read the study and got it so wrong.

I don't believe for a moment that you actually read the study.   You couldn't possibly have and come to the conclusions that you did.


Ditto

Silly Jesus: Money incentives behavior.

That's true.  Without question.  The problem is that you're missing the reason for the failure of these programs.  It IS NOT that the recipients of assistance are worthless; it's not that they're parasites; it's that "conservative" thinking has made dependence a better choice than independence.  These people are being absolutely rational.

And, the point that "conservatives" miss is that elimination of government assistance would not solve the problem.  It would turn the poor into wage slaves or starve them to death (which, honestly, might be the goal).

The best solution is the liberal one: give assistance...but, make sure that independence holds real benefits for people at the lowest end of the income scale.


Liberals don't try to push people away from the teat though...they make it easier to saddle up to it and to stay there for generation after generation.  I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.
 
2013-03-14 09:15:56 PM

BarkingUnicorn: impaler: BarkingUnicorn: The penalty is a higher marginal tax rate.

And the reward is more income that far exceeds the penalty.

That reward comes from my labor; the penalty comes from the progressive tax system.


And yet, you still make more money than a person in the lower tax bracket. So what penalty is there?
 
2013-03-14 09:16:34 PM

illogic: Romney left the impression that he would do or say anything that it took to get elected, except of course, release more tax returns.  I don't even think Romney was able to remember what his own true positions on the issues were by the time November rolled around.


What the hell are you talking about? Core principles are for the weak.
 
2013-03-14 09:16:36 PM

Silly Jesus: Basic librul economics.

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes


Which specific liberal economic theory is this? Certainly not any Democratic one that I'm aware of.
 
2013-03-14 09:16:54 PM

Silly Jesus: the Hispanic folks were still in front of Home Depot starting at 5am and routinely jumping into the backs of pick-ups.


Soooo  you get some strange from Jose?
 
2013-03-14 09:17:16 PM

Silly Jesus: Liberals don't try to push people away from the teat though...they make it easier to saddle up to it


[citation needed]

Are you even aware of what the current welfare system looks like?
 
2013-03-14 09:17:47 PM

Weaver95: "I handed him a diet Coke with lemon on it," Prouty told Huffington Post, "because I was told that that's what he drank. ... He took it and turned and didn't say anything. ... I presented him the exact right drink that he wanted ... Had it there, sitting there on a napkin. He took it out of my hand and turned his back without a 'thank you' or anything else. ... You can tell a lot about someone the way they take a drink from you. ... [Romney] took it and just turned his back."

yup.  it's the little things that tell you a lot about someone's character.


But he didn't go there with a grudge against Romney.  He said so.

/Romney, thoughtless, maybe distracted, who knows but it was rude either way.
//Prouty = pouty
 
2013-03-14 09:17:53 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.


Why's that?  Does Bill Gates disproportionately use the roads and the fire department?  Taxes should have some relationship to what you get back out of them.
 
2013-03-14 09:18:33 PM
Really? We're still on Romney articles?
 
2013-03-14 09:18:46 PM

Silly Jesus: goatleggedfellow: Silly Jesus: NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?

Does it bother me that so many people have no skills?  Yes.  Very much so.  I pay for their laziness.

Welcome to the free market. Everyone looks at those below them as undeserving, unskilled, and lazy. Maybe you'd be happier if we were all be slaves to one Ubermensch.

Also, unless you were raised by wolves, you benefited from your ancestors' work. They provided you with opportunity. Now if only there were a large segment of American society that had all their opportunity stolen, leaving almost nothing to pass down...

So having 8 babies while being unmarried and living off of a check from the government is "BECAUSE SLAVERY!!"?


I doubt anyone's done studies on the long-term psychological effect of hardcore trolling, but if I find anything I'll send it your way.
 
2013-03-14 09:19:18 PM

Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.

Why's that?  Does Bill Gates disproportionately use the roads and the fire department?  Taxes should have some relationship to what you get back out of them.


again, I don't WANT you to understand this.  I prefer you as you are.
 
2013-03-14 09:20:50 PM

Silly Jesus: I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.


A policy of removing everything that makes social mobility possible is a good start.

Outsourcing low-skill labor, opposing and repealing wage and safety laws, defunding education, and supporting regressive tax schemes , among other things, encourage a welfare state.
 
2013-03-14 09:21:22 PM

Weaver95: BarkingUnicorn:
That reward comes from my labor;

um...no.  real wages for most of this country have been flat for 30 odd years.  it literally doesn't matter how hard you work...most of the wealth in this country goes to the elite 1% that run the show.


We're not talking about income distribution.

If I earn more through my labor, I am penalized more by the progressive tax system.
 
2013-03-14 09:21:23 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

And yes, I will always think that the worthless are worthless.  I'm glad that you are able to dismiss reality and allow your heart to bleed for them.  The scourge on society that they are.  Imagine the progress that we could make if fewer people were in the cart and more were pulling?  And if people like you didn't hand out step ladders for people to climb into the cart....

see - this is great!  you should make sure everyone in the room knows how much you hate the poors people.  that's just too cool for words!


They aren't "people". They're parasites and takers. Try to keep up.
 
2013-03-14 09:21:46 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.

Why's that?  Does Bill Gates disproportionately use the roads and the fire department?  Taxes should have some relationship to what you get back out of them.

again, I don't WANT you to understand this.  I prefer you as you are.


HAHAHAHAHAHA (breath) HAHAHAHAHAHA

you just earned yourself the coveted "Potato" farkie.  You're in good company in this thread.
 
2013-03-14 09:21:54 PM
Thank you Mitt for not saying "thank you."
 
2013-03-14 09:23:03 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.

A policy of removing everything that makes social mobility possible is a good start.

Outsourcing low-skill labor, opposing and repealing wage and safety laws, defunding education, and supporting regressive tax schemes , among other things, encourage a welfare state.


not to mention the GOP crusade against birth control and sex education.  that helps keep birth rates up and prevents poorer families from climbing out of debt.
 
2013-03-14 09:23:04 PM

BarkingUnicorn: If I earn more through my labor, I am penalized more by the progressive tax system.


Again, no you're not. You're still making more than the tax bracket below you. How is that a penalty on making more?
 
2013-03-14 09:23:15 PM

Cletus C.: You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.


Ladies and gentlemen, the authoritarian mindset: Doing something wrong, not so bad. Exposing something wrong, horrible.
 
2013-03-14 09:23:58 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.

A policy of removing everything that makes social mobility possible is a good start.

Outsourcing low-skill labor, opposing and repealing wage and safety laws, defunding education, and supporting regressive tax schemes , among other things, encourage a welfare state.


More babies out of wedlock = more money.

yay libs

Make sure you keep that journal so we can keep sending your your check...
 
2013-03-14 09:24:36 PM

Weaver95: Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.

A policy of removing everything that makes social mobility possible is a good start.

Outsourcing low-skill labor, opposing and repealing wage and safety laws, defunding education, and supporting regressive tax schemes , among other things, encourage a welfare state.

not to mention the GOP crusade against birth control and sex education.  that helps keep birth rates up and prevents poorer families from climbing out of debt.


Because nobody knows how babies are made...
 
2013-03-14 09:24:39 PM

cameroncrazy1984: BarkingUnicorn: impaler: BarkingUnicorn: The penalty is a higher marginal tax rate.

And the reward is more income that far exceeds the penalty.

That reward comes from my labor; the penalty comes from the progressive tax system.

And yet, you still make more money than a person in the lower tax bracket. So what penalty is there?


Getting 50 cents instead of 60 cents for the additional money I earn.

Your argument is like saying that my 60-day jail sentence leaves me better off than the guy serving life, so I'm not being punished.  Ridiculous.
 
2013-03-14 09:24:51 PM

eraser8: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

I heard about that study on NPR today.

The conclusions are somewhat controversial and, according to some, don't match the actual analysis.

Of course, since I haven't read the study or seen the data behind the conclusions, I can't judge whether the abstract is reliable or not.

Have you read the study?  If so, do you have a link to the study and its data?  It's an interesting question and I'd like to understand the issue a bit better.


http://aysps.gsu.edu/sites/default/files/documents/Rpt%20258FIN.pdf
 
2013-03-14 09:25:42 PM

Weaver95: objectivist?


stoli n coke: Nah, SJ strikes me as a "libertarian," as in "someone who got tired of being laughed at when he told people he voted for Bush twice."


Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
 
2013-03-14 09:26:56 PM
Romney's comments about the 47% led to him getting 47% of the vote.
 
2013-03-14 09:26:58 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Weaver95: BarkingUnicorn:
That reward comes from my labor;

um...no.  real wages for most of this country have been flat for 30 odd years.  it literally doesn't matter how hard you work...most of the wealth in this country goes to the elite 1% that run the show.

We're not talking about income distribution.

If I earn more through my labor, I am penalized more by the progressive tax system.


that's just it - you WON'T earn more through your labor.  you work 40hrs a week and take home $2k.  your boss works 40 hours a week and takes home $17,00,000 - 850 times more than you.  there is literally NO REASON to play by these rules anymore.  once people understand just how badly f*cked they are by what we laughingly call our economic system...they'll stop playing by the rules.  the social contract will be null and void.

at that point, math is kinda pointless.
 
2013-03-14 09:27:06 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Your argument is like saying that my 60-day jail sentence leaves me better off than the guy serving life, so I'm not being punished.  Ridiculous


That makes no sense regarding income. Are you or are you not still making more income than the people in the tax bracket below you, yes or no?
 
2013-03-14 09:28:04 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Welfare should be severely time restricted, there should be work requirements a bit more stringent than Obama's "journal keeping" and "meditation" requirements.  Every step should be taken to discourage it's use...not to encourage it.

yeah!  f*ck the poor!  obviously they WANTED their jobs outsourced!  sneaky gits!

So I should pay for you to keep a journal?

The Waffle House is outsourcing hobs?

now there are some VERY interesting assumptions and implications buried in those comments.  again, you are completely and in all ways totally wrong about pretty much everything...but that's ok.  I'm counting on that, remember?


Man. You listen to Rush, and play with trolls. You're hardcore.
 
2013-03-14 09:28:15 PM

Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.

Why's that?  Does Bill Gates disproportionately use the roads and the fire department?  Taxes should have some relationship to what you get back out of them.


"No taxation without representation!" Who pays the most taxes and gets the most representation?
 
2013-03-14 09:28:31 PM

Cletus C.: You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.


Cletus C. fundraiser...what is that, moving one batch of shake 'n bake?

/It's funny because of your farknick.
 
2013-03-14 09:29:23 PM

Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.

A policy of removing everything that makes social mobility possible is a good start.

Outsourcing low-skill labor, opposing and repealing wage and safety laws, defunding education, and supporting regressive tax schemes , among other things, encourage a welfare state.

not to mention the GOP crusade against birth control and sex education.  that helps keep birth rates up and prevents poorer families from climbing out of debt.

Because nobody knows how babies are made...


well they will after they get teen pregnant.
 
2013-03-14 09:29:35 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.

Why's that?  Does Bill Gates disproportionately use the roads and the fire department?  Taxes should have some relationship to what you get back out of them.

"No taxation without representation!" Who pays the most taxes and gets the most representation?


The wealthy should get more votes.
 
2013-03-14 09:29:50 PM

erik-k: Cletus C.: You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.

Ladies and gentlemen, the authoritarian mindset: Doing something wrong, not so bad. Exposing something wrong, horrible.


No shat. If you need "discretion" at your fundraisers, you're doing it wrong. This didn't even occur to him.
 
2013-03-14 09:30:21 PM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: I don't see how you can possibly be accusing conservatives of encouraging a welfare state.

A policy of removing everything that makes social mobility possible is a good start.

Outsourcing low-skill labor, opposing and repealing wage and safety laws, defunding education, and supporting regressive tax schemes , among other things, encourage a welfare state.

not to mention the GOP crusade against birth control and sex education.  that helps keep birth rates up and prevents poorer families from climbing out of debt.

Because nobody knows how babies are made...

well they will after they get teen pregnant.


Steralize those on welfare.  It should be a prerequisite.
 
2013-03-14 09:30:58 PM

Silly Jesus: The wealthy should get more votes.


How bout they just get more money?

PS: the rich aren't going to have sex with you.
 
2013-03-14 09:31:25 PM
Evil High Priest:

Man. You listen to Rush, and play with trolls. You're hardcore.

i've had a LOT coffee today.  plus, my usual Left4Dead2 crew is out traveling and/or otherwise occupied tonight so...no zombie shooting.  I suppose I could go play some anno 2070, but...meh.  I think i'll wait for the coffee jitters to calm down a bit before I lock into a nice game of resource management.
 
2013-03-14 09:32:55 PM

impaler: Silly Jesus: The wealthy should get more votes.

How bout they just get more money?

PS: the rich aren't going to have sex with you.


So they should be so overjoyed that they earn a lot of money that they thank you for taking some of it off their hands?
 
2013-03-14 09:33:00 PM

Silly Jesus: BarkingUnicorn: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.

Why's that?  Does Bill Gates disproportionately use the roads and the fire department?  Taxes should have some relationship to what you get back out of them.

"No taxation without representation!" Who pays the most taxes and gets the most representation?

The wealthy should get more votes.


And they do, where votes really count.  So you should be at peace.
 
2013-03-14 09:33:13 PM
Silly Jesus:
Steralize those on welfare.  It should be a prerequisite.

see, you can't even spell that correctly.  how am I supposed to take you seriously when you can't even spell 'sterilize' correctly?
 
2013-03-14 09:33:44 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Your argument is like saying that my 60-day jail sentence leaves me better off than the guy serving life, so I'm not being punished. Ridiculous.


Not really, but you're arguing that taking home more money is punishment.
 
2013-03-14 09:33:46 PM

Silly Jesus: More babies out of wedlock = more money.


It's funny that you think that is a refutation of my statement.

Do you have an actual answer as to why policies that impede social mobility don't facilitate a welfare state?
 
2013-03-14 09:34:28 PM

Silly Jesus: clambam: Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

Wow, really? There's an actual academic study that confirms the welfare state is a slave plantation? I believe you! Shout it from the rooftops!

Essentially, yes.

Finding a job, wedding and stopping having kids are all discouraged.


I have to part ways with you on this one SJ.  People do some pretty dumb things on their own, regardless of goverment intervention.  While there are policies in place which may support an entitlement mentality, I don't believe this was the intention of the government to do so.

Jobs: having limited opportunity, be it due to lack of education, or just family obligation, there are few careers that match the expenses of surviving the way federal assistance does.  Under the current system, finding work may penalize the recipient as assistance may cut off or severely limited, thus putting them in a worse financial position than before.  I tend to believe that if one meets the proper criteria (ie. head of household, renting, has dependants or is varifiably handi-capped, or is retired with no other supplemental income) then they should receive supplemental assistance along with their earned wages thus acting as an incentive to remain or join the work force.

Marriage:  giving assistance to a single mom is not encouragement to remain single nor is it a reward for not marrying.  Think of it as not punishing the child for the irresponsible actions of their parent (or the idiot dad who walked out on his responsibilities) and you'll sleep better at night.

Stop having kids:  I'm not a big fan of Family Planning clinics when they are viewed as a viable alternative to buying a rubber, however, they are government sponsored and they do provide both education on birth control as well as the means to prevent unwanted pregnancy, and abortion services should they be needed.  The government also funds sex education and couseling in public schools in an effort to educate the public on a variety of sexual issues including std's and preventing unwanted pregnancy.  Don't blame the government if the unwashed masses aren't getting the message.  Short of coralling all the males of the species away from the females, there really isn't much more they can do.

And no, helping a child in a low income environment is not the same as paying a woman to have a child.
 
2013-03-14 09:34:52 PM
Silly Jesus:
The wealthy should get more votes.

they have more influence than the average person does, which mostly amounts to them getting their way...at least more often than they should.
 
2013-03-14 09:36:07 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: More babies out of wedlock = more money.

It's funny that you think that is a refutation of my statement.

Do you have an actual answer as to why policies that impede social mobility don't facilitate a welfare state?


;Do you have an argument as to why paying people to have more babies and not get married doesn't facilitate a welfare state?
 
2013-03-14 09:36:17 PM

Silly Jesus: So they should be so overjoyed that they earn a lot of money that they thank you for taking some of it off their hands?


Protip: if every argument against your personal philosophy can only be countered by lies and strawmen, it's time to just reevaluate your personal philosophy.
 
2013-03-14 09:36:53 PM

Silly Jesus: Sergeant Grumbles: Silly Jesus: More babies out of wedlock = more money.

It's funny that you think that is a refutation of my statement.

Do you have an actual answer as to why policies that impede social mobility don't facilitate a welfare state?

;Do you have an argument as to why paying people to have more babies and not get married doesn't facilitate a welfare state?


see those goal posts?  Waaaaaaaay over there?  we saw you move them.  just saying is all....
 
2013-03-14 09:37:14 PM

Silly Jesus: Do you have an argument as to why paying people to have more babies


Do you have a citation on how many people actually do this? I mean, not in your head but in the actual united States?
 
2013-03-14 09:37:50 PM

Weaver95: BarkingUnicorn: Weaver95: BarkingUnicorn:
That reward comes from my labor;

um...no.  real wages for most of this country have been flat for 30 odd years.  it literally doesn't matter how hard you work...most of the wealth in this country goes to the elite 1% that run the show.

We're not talking about income distribution.

If I earn more through my labor, I am penalized more by the progressive tax system.

that's just it - you WON'T earn more through your labor.  you work 40hrs a week and take home $2k.  your boss works 40 hours a week and takes home $17,00,000 - 850 times more than you.  there is literally NO REASON to play by these rules anymore.  once people understand just how badly f*cked they are by what we laughingly call our economic system...they'll stop playing by the rules.  the social contract will be null and void.

at that point, math is kinda pointless.


I am talking about earning more than I did before.  You are talking about earning more than someone else.  We are not having a conversation when we are talking about different things.
 
2013-03-14 09:37:50 PM

impaler: Silly Jesus: So they should be so overjoyed that they earn a lot of money that they thank you for taking some of it off their hands?

Protip: if every argument against your personal philosophy can only be countered by lies and strawmen, it's time to just reevaluate your personal philosophy.


shhh!  I want him clueless, remember?  just nod and let him think he's won.
 
2013-03-14 09:37:56 PM

NotoriousW.O.P: Dave Barry once said, "Someone who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person." Seems right to me.


A long time before that Jimmy Durante said, "Be nice to people on your way up because you meet them on your way down."

Hey Gov Romney, here's a pro-tip for you...it's still true.
 
2013-03-14 09:39:20 PM

Silly Jesus: ;Do you have an argument as to why paying people to have more babies and not get married doesn't facilitate a welfare state?


If you think our welfare system allows one to make a profit on each kid, you're an idiot.

Giving $2000 annual assistance for a child doesn't give an economic incentive if the child costs $4000 a year.
 
2013-03-14 09:39:57 PM
BarkingUnicorn:
I am talking about earning more than I did before.  You are talking about earning more than someone else.  We are not having a conversation when we are talking about different things.

But you WON'T earn more than you did before.  your pay will NEVER grow to a point where you'll matter to the elite 1% who control 40% of the wealth in this country.  you will NEVER get rich, you will never move up the ladder.  it's a rigged game.
 
2013-03-14 09:41:07 PM

Silly Jesus: The wealthy should get more votes.


manvsinternet.files.wordpress.com

Surprised how many people are falling for it.
 
2013-03-14 09:41:16 PM

impaler: Silly Jesus: ;Do you have an argument as to why paying people to have more babies and not get married doesn't facilitate a welfare state?

If you think our welfare system allows one to make a profit on each kid, you're an idiot.

Giving $2000 annual assistance for a child doesn't give an economic incentive if the child costs $4000 a year.


But don't you SEE? Our current welfare system gives mothers of 8 $1,000,000 per kid!
 
2013-03-14 09:42:50 PM

Weaver95: impaler: Silly Jesus: So they should be so overjoyed that they earn a lot of money that they thank you for taking some of it off their hands?

Protip: if every argument against your personal philosophy can only be countered by lies and strawmen, it's time to just reevaluate your personal philosophy.

shhh!  I want him clueless, remember?  just nod and let him think he's won.


No worries there. They always know that they are right about everything. It's wonderful, really, how the gop has not learned one damn thing about their trouncing last November. I'm all for it!
 
2013-03-14 09:45:24 PM

Stone Meadow: NotoriousW.O.P: Dave Barry once said, "Someone who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person." Seems right to me.

A long time before that Jimmy Durante said, "Be nice to people on your way up because you meet them on your way down."

Hey Gov Romney, here's a pro-tip for you...it's still true.


He was never 'on the way up', and he certainly will never be on the way down. With that much money, it would actually be tricky to get rid of it all.
 
2013-03-14 09:47:17 PM

Weaver95: BarkingUnicorn:
I am talking about earning more than I did before.  You are talking about earning more than someone else.  We are not having a conversation when we are talking about different things.

But you WON'T earn more than you did before.  your pay will NEVER grow to a point where you'll matter to the elite 1% who control 40% of the wealth in this country.  you will NEVER get rich, you will never move up the ladder.  it's a rigged game.


I am still talking about the progressive tax system as I experience it.  You are still comparing one person to another.  Conversation is still not occurring.
 
2013-03-14 09:50:13 PM
BarkingUnicorn:
I am still talking about the progressive tax system as I experience it.  You are still comparing one person to another.  Conversation is still not occurring.

its part of the same conversation...an ugly part that you don't want to talk about.

carry on then.  I can't force you into enlightenment.
 
2013-03-14 09:50:58 PM

Evil High Priest: Stone Meadow: NotoriousW.O.P: Dave Barry once said, "Someone who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person." Seems right to me.

A long time before that Jimmy Durante said, "Be nice to people on your way up because you meet them on your way down."

Hey Gov Romney, here's a pro-tip for you...it's still true.

He was never 'on the way up', and he certainly will never be on the way down. With that much money, it would actually be tricky to get rid of it all.


Didn't 1929 raze the fortunes of many of this nation's wealthy while at the same time allowing some of our current wealthiest the opportunity to come into being?
 
2013-03-14 09:55:57 PM

Weaver95: BarkingUnicorn:
I am still talking about the progressive tax system as I experience it.  You are still comparing one person to another.  Conversation is still not occurring.

its part of the same conversation...an ugly part that you don't want to talk about.

carry on then.  I can't force you into enlightenment.


I am as keenly aware of the unfairness of our economic system as you are.  I just refuse to let you hijack the conversation that I started, which is about the progressive tax system effect on an individual.

I wouldn't change the progressive tax system.  But don't pretend it doesn't penalize the earning of more money.  It has its downside as well as its upside, and to insist otherwise makes you look foolish or dishonest.
 
2013-03-14 09:57:38 PM
BarkingUnicorn:

I wouldn't change the progressive tax system.  But don't pretend it doesn't penalize the earning of more money.  It has its downside as well as its upside, and to insist otherwise makes you look foolish or dishonest.

it only punishes you if you aren't in the 1%.  if you're in the super rich elite...hey, the current tax system is GREAT!
 
2013-03-14 10:03:07 PM
I've been faced with a connundrum in the past.  As I was raised in the south with a stereotypical southern grandmother, I say "thank you" any time anyone does something nice for me.  Like when I'm at an event and someone with a tray happens by with drinks on it and allows me to take one or if someone just hands me a drink.  I've been reprimanded by peers and employers for doing so.  Apparently the people who work these sorts of thing are hired help who, professionally, wish to be invisible.  Saying "Thank you" embarrasses them or breaks the professional wall or breach of contract with the catering company, what have you.

I still think it's right to say thank you, but I wouldn't want to do so if the paid ninjas would be offended by me doing so.
 
2013-03-14 10:07:32 PM

gadian: I've been faced with a connundrum in the past.  As I was raised in the south with a stereotypical southern grandmother, I say "thank you" any time anyone does something nice for me.  Like when I'm at an event and someone with a tray happens by with drinks on it and allows me to take one or if someone just hands me a drink.  I've been reprimanded by peers and employers for doing so.  Apparently the people who work these sorts of thing are hired help who, professionally, wish to be invisible.  Saying "Thank you" embarrasses them or breaks the professional wall or breach of contract with the catering company, what have you.

I still think it's right to say thank you, but I wouldn't want to do so if the paid ninjas would be offended by me doing so.


Huh.  I do the same thing; I've never heard this rule.  At the last Christmas party, I struck up conversations with the girl holding the bacon-wrapped scallops so she wouldn't walk away.
 
2013-03-14 10:07:40 PM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


Of course since the Republicans control both house of the Gerogia Legislature and the Governor's mansion, what you really mean is it is a Republican slave plantation.
 
2013-03-14 10:10:26 PM
Well, to be fair, Romney didn't know that service industry workers were allowed to vote
 
2013-03-14 10:13:28 PM
Subby, are you suggesting that Mitt Romney, candidate for the presidency of the United States, treat a mere hourly wage-earner as a real human being? Don't you know who he is?
 
2013-03-14 10:14:56 PM
I absolutely believe that you can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat people who are waitstaff, retail clerks, food service workers, janitors.....any job like that.  Treat them like shiat, and I don't care how nice you are to me, your mother, or a gaggle of ducklings.....you're a dickhead.
 
2013-03-14 10:16:10 PM
I hope this guy does a good job cashing in on his 15 minutes.  Romney strikes me as the type of guy with a good memory for shiat like this.
 
2013-03-14 10:25:31 PM

NotARocketScientist: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!

47% of US adults get a government hand out, but the unemployment rate is only 10-20%, so that means 27-37% of the country IS WORKING FULL TIME AND IS STILL BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. Doesn't that bother you at all?


It bothers me that working full-time isn't enough to exist in this country, so requiring it. Maybe you could suggest some alternatives, such as raising minimum wage or something?
 
2013-03-14 10:28:22 PM
Yes, let's hate on Romney a little more for being wealthier, better and more successful that most of us can ever dream of being.  Did you thank your safe for doing its job of keeping all your valuables safe from the house keepers while you were away golfing this morning?  Did you thank the brakes on your Ferrari for working like they're supposed to when your lousy chauffeur drove you to dinner this evening?  Exactly.  Why would you ever thank a lowly bartender for doing what he's supposed to do?
 
2013-03-14 10:39:39 PM
CSB time!

Back in 2001 I was doing some work for the contract food service company at Middle Tennessee State University, where, if you'll recall, Al Gore taught a class in government following the 2000 election. At the end of the semester, they held a banquet in his honor, and I got picked to work the floor.

Al didn't show up until a few minutes before it was time for him to go on, after everyone had eaten. When security came in the kitchen to check things out, they just kind of hung back, then Al walked in and stood beside the door while the guy giving his intro speech was rambling on. I remember him facing the wall, leaning against it with his arm above his head and his face buried in his elbow, as if he was just flat out tired.

So anyway, the seven or eight of us in the kitchen that liked Al kind of hung around near him in a semicircle. He turned around and saw us, and then he sighed, straightened his shoulders, and smiled. He walked to each of us and gave us a firm handshake, and said "It's very good to see you!"

I think it was about the best thing he could have said, since we weren't technically "meeting", but it said so much about him that he took those few seconds to show a bit of appreciation for the staff. I'm not about to say that Dubya wouldn't have done the same, but I cannot for the life of me imagine Romney ever doing something like that in the back room away from any cameras. Al didn't have to do that, he wasn't running for office or anything, he just seemed like as tired as he was, he would give us a few seconds of his time just because.

By the way, in person, that man is huge. I am not a small man, but he dwarfed me. You could see his bicep bulging against his suit when he reached out to shake hands.

How we wound up with the cheerleader instead of the football player I'll never quite understand.
 
2013-03-14 10:43:17 PM
http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/mormon.asp

Snopes says the rumor that the Mormons own the Coca Cola company is FALSE.

And Berkshire Hathaway still owns the most shares. The biggest private owner is Barry Diller, I haven't seen any mention of him being a Mormon.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=KO+Major+Holders
 
2013-03-14 10:44:06 PM
Ok I think Romney would have lost without this tape, but this tape sure solidified it.

It's one thing when the other side says you are an uncaring douche, it's completely another level when you prove it yourself.
 
2013-03-14 10:45:31 PM

Coco LaFemme: I absolutely believe that you can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat people who are waitstaff, retail clerks, food service workers, janitors.....any job like that.  Treat them like shiat, and I don't care how nice you are to me, your mother, or a gaggle of ducklings.....you're a dickhead.


Absolutely. Never underestimate someone else's power or influence, and never forget that other people see how you treat those who don't share your circumstances.

The true measure of a man is how he treats those who can do him absolutely no good.
 
2013-03-14 10:49:37 PM

Egalitarian: http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/mormon.asp

Snopes says the rumor that the Mormons own the Coca Cola company is FALSE.

And Berkshire Hathaway still owns the most shares. The biggest private owner is Barry Diller, I haven't seen any mention of him being a Mormon.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=KO+Major+Holders


No one's claiming the Mormons own Coca-Cola, or even a majority share.  But it's known they do own some stock in the company.
 
2013-03-14 10:51:06 PM

Miss Stein: Egalitarian: http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/mormon.asp

Snopes says the rumor that the Mormons own the Coca Cola company is FALSE.

And Berkshire Hathaway still owns the most shares. The biggest private owner is Barry Diller, I haven't seen any mention of him being a Mormon.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=KO+Major+Holders

No one's claiming the Mormons own Coca-Cola, or even a majority share.  But it's known they do own some stock in the company.


I heard there's a few Pepsi drinkers that own Coca-Cola stock as well.  Anything on Snopes about that?  I couldn't find details online, but I'm sure it's true.
 
2013-03-14 10:52:43 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: Some people might think this is petty, but having waited tables and tended bar, I think this guy is spot on. It's absolutely amazing how differently people act when you're serving them. Lots of people are just as nice as they are otherwise, but at least as many completely change when they're in that position. And yes, it truly does say a lot about what a person is really like.

And even my kids know they're supposed to say "thank you."


I actually base my vote in local elections based on two factors, the issues and what service employees report about the candidates. I have friends and relatives all over the country who work in service, and it's interesting to see how well the 'how they treat service people reflects their character' theory holds up. John McCain and Barack Obama are both really nice to service staff, I've been told, but some other major political figures...yeah. Not so much. I could tell such stories of princess tantrums, entitled attitude-copping and tip-stiffing.

It feels so 'Downton Abbey' to realize that there are all of these over-educated, underemployed people waiting tables, serving drinks and sharing notes via the Internet. Sooner or later, you'll have to be a decent human being, at least in public, to be active in politics.

And I'm completely okay with that.
 
2013-03-14 10:53:29 PM

Silly Jesus: ;Do you have an argument as to why paying people to have more babies and not get married doesn't facilitate a welfare state?


Look, Jack. You can claim to be a "left-leaning libertarian" all you want, but when you quack like a duck, you're a goddamned duck. Republican governance 101: if you break the systems designed to keep a civil society functioning properly, you can point to the broken programs as proof that government doesn't work. You're playing human centipede with Republican talking points. The safety net systems have long been broken in the name of "cost savings" and "personal responsibility". They provide a crap lifestyle for making 8 babies and not getting married, as you so fairly and delicately put it. At the same time, we've allowed incomes to stagnate to the point that their already crap way of life would only become worse if they took a job at Walmart. Meanwhile, most of their benefits are structured perversely, because of Republican policy. If you don't like the way poor people live, then raise the minimum wage and fix the perverse incentives. Please, I'm begging you. The best way to force these lazy poors to work for a living is to make it financially attractive to work for a living.
 
2013-03-14 10:54:32 PM

pciszek: Real Women Drink Akvavit: /thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke

I think that changed when the Mormon church became a major shareholder in the Coca-Cola corporation.


http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/mormon.asp
 
2013-03-14 10:55:38 PM

Corvus: Ok I think Romney would have lost without this tape, but this tape sure solidified it.

It's one thing when the other side says you are an uncaring douche, it's completely another level when you prove it yourself.


Although it didn't sink as deep into the public consciousness, let us not forget the staged visit to the soup kitchen around the same time.  This campaign was nothing but one PR disaster to the next.
 
2013-03-14 10:57:10 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: The Dog Ate My Homework: Some people might think this is petty, but having waited tables and tended bar, I think this guy is spot on. It's absolutely amazing how differently people act when you're serving them. Lots of people are just as nice as they are otherwise, but at least as many completely change when they're in that position. And yes, it truly does say a lot about what a person is really like.

And even my kids know they're supposed to say "thank you."

I actually base my vote in local elections based on two factors, the issues and what service employees report about the candidates. I have friends and relatives all over the country who work in service, and it's interesting to see how well the 'how they treat service people reflects their character' theory holds up. John McCain and Barack Obama are both really nice to service staff, I've been told, but some other major political figures...yeah. Not so much. I could tell such stories of princess tantrums, entitled attitude-copping and tip-stiffing.

It feels so 'Downton Abbey' to realize that there are all of these over-educated, underemployed people waiting tables, serving drinks and sharing notes via the Internet. Sooner or later, you'll have to be a decent human being, at least in public, to be active in politics.

And I'm completely okay with that.


I feel like if I also type a wall of text to juxtapose against your wall of text and the wall of text of the person that wrote the wall of text that you replied to with a wall of text, then we can wall of text this discussion with a wall of text of a wall of text of a wall of text.

I mean, there's not reason not to be not verbose when writing verbose walls of text on Fark and replying to verbose walls of text on Fark with our own verbose walls of text to the verbose walls of text of other people who are only capable of replying to verbose walls of text with verbose walls of text.

It reminds me of this time I was in Texas visiting my grandparents.  They lived out on a farm in the middle of the country, but their property was filled with these fantastic smooth surfaced limestone rocks that some people know as Texas holey rock.  Of course, when you say it out loud it sounds like Holy.  As in rocks of Jesus or some shiat like that.  So when I tried to sell it on the Internet, I had all kinds of Christian douches buying it thinking that it had special properties like Holey water.  Man, were they wrong.
 
2013-03-14 10:57:46 PM

img.photobucket.comMentat: I think that interview pretty much confirmed everything we thought about Romney.  I can see Clinton taking time to greet the staff while Romney and his buddies ignore them.  Even if Clinton is disingenuous, at least he has enough empathy to realize that pressing the common flesh is good politics.


/In the Louisville locker room Thursday.
 
2013-03-14 11:00:14 PM
I like your style, right wingers. Keep saying things. Loudly. Publicly.
Please.
 
2013-03-14 11:00:37 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I wouldn't change the progressive tax system. But don't pretend it doesn't penalize the earning of more money.


Seriously? Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society. If you don't agree with how we split the brackets, let's argue about that. If you think they're too high because we spend too much, let's argue about that, too. If you think they shouldn't be progressive, I think you're an idiot, but I'll have that argument too. But if you seriously consider income tax to be a "penalty on working harder", then you're dancing into Tea Party fractal wrongness territory.
 
2013-03-14 11:02:41 PM

TopoGigo: BarkingUnicorn: I wouldn't change the progressive tax system. But don't pretend it doesn't penalize the earning of more money.

Seriously? Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society. If you don't agree with how we split the brackets, let's argue about that. If you think they're too high because we spend too much, let's argue about that, too. If you think they shouldn't be progressive, I think you're an idiot, but I'll have that argument too. But if you seriously consider income tax to be a "penalty on working harder", then you're dancing into Tea Party fractal wrongness territory.


Amen.  But this is Fark, so try to give the idiots a break, it can't be easy living with extra chromosomes.
 
2013-03-14 11:06:13 PM

TopoGigo: Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society.


Was there not a civil society before 1913?
 
2013-03-14 11:10:00 PM

jigger: TopoGigo: Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society.

Was there not a civil society before 1913?


Nope.  It's a known fact.  Same as the fact that there were no women before 1920 and no African-Americans before 1968.
 
2013-03-14 11:12:16 PM

SpiderQueenDemon: I have friends and relatives all over the country who work in service, and it's interesting to see how well the 'how they treat service people reflects their character' theory holds up.


Back in the day we had Bitter Waitress and the Sh*tty Tipper Database, which chronicled celebrities and pseudo-celebrities and how they tipped and treated the service staff. The site went offline a few years ago (presumably when the Bitter Waitress left the industry) and now I can't find any really good index like that anymore.

I left a few notes in that one myself.
 
2013-03-14 11:12:24 PM

Cletus C.: You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.


I doubt the guy wants to work at any hillbilly jam bo ree that you are putting together.
 
2013-03-14 11:17:50 PM

jigger: TopoGigo: Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society.

Was there not a civil society before 1913?


Psst. There was an income tax before 1913.
 
2013-03-14 11:19:21 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: As much as his dad seemed to be a decent guy, one must wonder if he was an elitist asshole as a father, teaching Mitt to never address the help directly.


Mitt's a pretty good example of second-generation rich. First generation worked hard for the money. They don't want their kids to go through the same kind of struggle. Then there's the inferiority complex a kid can have by being raised by someone who accomplished a lot on his own, plus the snubs from really old money, and the end result is an ass.
 
2013-03-14 11:20:34 PM

Snarfangel: No, distilled water with a single mint leaf is about as edgy as they get. And none of those exotic mints, either.


Exotic? Like Andes? Canada? Thin?
 
2013-03-14 11:21:11 PM

Tarl3k: robsul82: IIRC, in some puff interview they asked Romney what his biggest vice was, and he said Diet Coke.

has Rmoney ever done any OTHER kind of interview?


The debates. We all know how that went.
 
2013-03-14 11:21:52 PM

cchris_39: But he didn't go there with a grudge against Romney.  He said so.

/Romney, thoughtless, maybe distracted, who knows but it was rude either way.
//Prouty = pouty


From everything I've heard he brought the camera in hopes he might be able to get a picture with Mitt.   Link

"The man, who tended bar for a company that catered to a high-end clientele, had previously worked at a fundraiser at a home where Clinton spoke. After Clinton addressed guests, the man recalled, the former president came back to the kitchen and thanked the staff, the waiters, the bartenders, the busboys, and everyone else involved in putting the event together. He shook hands, took photos, signed autographs, and praised the meal -- all characteristic of the former president."

If I ever meet Prouty I'll buy him a beer.
 
2013-03-14 11:22:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Psst. There was an income tax before 1913.


He thinks that Hitler was a liberal. History is not his strong suit.

/This could apply equally to every single Republican in America.
//Oh well.
 
2013-03-14 11:23:35 PM

what_now: I waitressed my way through college. I've also worked retail, customer service, and sales. I've been a cashier, a house painter, a temp and a telemarketer.

People who are rude or dismissive of the help can fark off. This is my first test of a person's character.  I have no idea how a politician can act like that. It's astonishing to me.


Romney always had issues dealing with people. One of my favorite Romney gaffes happened early in the campaign during a picnic with Romney volunteers in Pittsburgh, when PA was still considered quite competitive. The volunteers had brought cookies from one of the notable local bakeries (Bethel Bakery) to the picnic. The smart move would have been just to say the cookies were delicious or not say anything about them. Romney called them "7-11 cookies" implying they were cheap cookies from a convenience store. It just made Romney look prissy and out-of-touch.
 
2013-03-14 11:25:55 PM

BarkingUnicorn: That reward comes from my labor; the penalty comes from the progressive tax system.


It takes money to make money.
The more money you have, the easier it gets.
The 'progressive tax system' helps compensate for this.

The rich can always choose to pay less, by taking less.
 
2013-03-14 11:26:31 PM

jigger: TopoGigo: Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society.

Was there not a civil society before 1913?


Fun fact: we used to pay this bill in other ways. Notably, with duties on imports. Now, I don't have enough econ chops to say whether duties are a smarter way to pay for the costs of society or not, but we as a nation decided that they weren't. We also decided that we needed to spend more money on having a society. That may or may not be the right way to do things. I personally believe that we're pretty stupid about how we spend our money, and I'd like a top-down reboot of what our government does for us. That doesn't mean that I think I shouldn't pay the bill.
 
2013-03-14 11:26:44 PM

Kuta: I always figured that $1/drink (even for a free glass of water) was a fair enough tip unless you're really drinking top shelf liquor. And that's of course not if you're running up a tab then standard rates apply.


Really? You have to tip for each drink? Why don't you just increase the price of the drink by $1 and pay the bartender properly? I really don't get it...

All this bother, stress, biatchiness, pettiness and hate for non-tippers just because you allow restaurant and bar management to outsource their HR to you...

/I've worked kitchen and bar, never got tips, never did a poorer job because of it as I was paid properly to do a  proper job and never felt the petty need to give someone lesser service because they didn't pay me extra.
 
2013-03-14 11:27:32 PM

TopoGigo: BarkingUnicorn: I wouldn't change the progressive tax system. But don't pretend it doesn't penalize the earning of more money.

Seriously? Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society. If you don't agree with how we split the brackets, let's argue about that. If you think they're too high because we spend too much, let's argue about that, too. If you think they shouldn't be progressive, I think you're an idiot, but I'll have that argument too. But if you seriously consider income tax to be a "penalty on working harder", then you're dancing into Tea Party fractal wrongness territory.


Did you miss my very first sentence even though you quoted it above?  If you earn more money, your marginal tax rate goes up.  You keep less of the additional money that you earn.  That's a penalty.  Take the bad with the good but don't pretend that bad is good; it makes you look foolish or dishonest.
 
2013-03-14 11:29:15 PM

Altitude5280: [img.photobucket.com image 605x607]Mentat: I think that interview pretty much confirmed everything we thought about Romney.  I can see Clinton taking time to greet the staff while Romney and his buddies ignore them.  Even if Clinton is disingenuous, at least he has enough empathy to realize that pressing the common flesh is good politics.

/In the Louisville locker room Thursday.


He and Bush Jr. both know how to work a crowd.
 
2013-03-14 11:31:06 PM

cameroncrazy1984: jigger: TopoGigo: Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society.

Was there not a civil society before 1913?

Psst. There was an income tax before 1913.


Not really. There was kind of one during the civil war, but it was really low and not easily collected. They tried again for a couple of years in the 1890s but then it was ruled unconstitutional. But really the rates were something like 3%. It was really low starting out in 1913 too, like 1% on most people. It didn't take long to ramp up to pay for WWI. So world war was the civil society you got out of the income tax.
 
2013-03-14 11:32:26 PM

TopoGigo: jigger: TopoGigo: Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society.

Was there not a civil society before 1913?

Fun fact: we used to pay this bill in other ways. Notably, with duties on imports. Now, I don't have enough econ chops to say whether duties are a smarter way to pay for the costs of society or not, but we as a nation decided that they weren't. We also decided that we needed to spend more money on having a society. That may or may not be the right way to do things. I personally believe that we're pretty stupid about how we spend our money, and I'd like a top-down reboot of what our government does for us. That doesn't mean that I think I shouldn't pay the bill.


No, they needed money to pay for war.
 
2013-03-14 11:32:32 PM
Revisionist history.  How does it work? News at 11.
 
2013-03-14 11:32:36 PM

TopoGigo: I personally believe that we're pretty stupid about how we spend our money, and I'd like a top-down reboot of what our government does for us.


That's definitely something to discuss. The Constitution has been in effect longer than any other existing government on the planet. Many newly forming (or re-forming) nations are no longer using the US Constitution as a basis for their own Constitution, as they feel there are better ways of doing things. The most commonly used framework nowadays is actually the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

It's obvious that what's happening now cannot sustain itself. We've had disagreement before, but right now the minority party refuses to allow the country to be run unless they get their way. Perhaps we do need consider a top-down change in our government.
 
2013-03-14 11:36:10 PM

ox45tallboy: SpiderQueenDemon: I have friends and relatives all over the country who work in service, and it's interesting to see how well the 'how they treat service people reflects their character' theory holds up.

Back in the day we had Bitter Waitress and the Sh*tty Tipper Database, which chronicled celebrities and pseudo-celebrities and how they tipped and treated the service staff. The site went offline a few years ago (presumably when the Bitter Waitress left the industry) and now I can't find any really good index like that anymore.

I left a few notes in that one myself.


I left a story or two on BW myself. I waited tables through college. Then, when divorcing a man that almost bankcrupted me, I worked 20+ hrs a week (plus my 40 hr/wk gig at the corporate HQ of a bank and military reserves) at a very pricey, upscale place. Most of the guests were classy and generous. Others clearly thought I was just some moron incapable of having a "real" job and were snobbish and dismissive, not to mention stingy. I always tip well, and say please and thank you. I was always grateful of guests who treated me civilly and I too base a good part of my character assessment on how one treats "the help".
 
2013-03-14 11:36:25 PM

jigger: cameroncrazy1984: jigger: TopoGigo: Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society.

Was there not a civil society before 1913?

Psst. There was an income tax before 1913.

Not really. There was kind of one during the civil war, but it was really low and not easily collected. They tried again for a couple of years in the 1890s but then it was ruled unconstitutional. But really the rates were something like 3%. It was really low starting out in 1913 too, like 1% on most people. It didn't take long to ramp up to pay for WWI. So world war was the civil society you got out of the income tax.


Comparing the US pre-WWII (say, 1939) and post-WWII (1955 or so, after the first batch of GI Bill recipients had graduated from college and been at their jobs for a few years), I think most people would agree that was money well spent.
 
2013-03-14 11:38:15 PM

greentea1985: Romney always had issues dealing with people.


I liked when he made fun of the NASCAR guys wearing ponchos out in the rain. "I like those fancy raincoats you bought. Really sprung for the big bucks." Romney was practically a Disney villain.

The only humor the guy understands is being a dick, and due to his power and influence he seldom suffered any sort of backlash for it. Rich Republicans have been so coddled by demanding everyone be "fair and balanced" to their douchey tendencies, they don't know how to even pretend to be human beings anymore.
 
2013-03-14 11:38:49 PM

freetomato: I left a story or two on BW myself. I waited tables through college. Then, when divorcing a man that almost bankcrupted me, I worked 20+ hrs a week (plus my 40 hr/wk gig at the corporate HQ of a bank and military reserves) at a very pricey, upscale place. Most of the guests were classy and generous. Others clearly thought I was just some moron incapable of having a "real" job and were snobbish and dismissive, not to mention stingy. I always tip well, and say please and thank you. I was always grateful of guests who treated me civilly and I too base a good part of my character assessment on how one treats "the help".


I'd rather get 15% from a kind and courteous person than 20% from an asshole. (Okay, if the rent was due, I might be willing to take some abuse for a few extra bucks, but you know what I mean.)
 
2013-03-14 11:40:21 PM

ox45tallboy: jigger: cameroncrazy1984: jigger: TopoGigo: Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society.

Was there not a civil society before 1913?

Psst. There was an income tax before 1913.

Not really. There was kind of one during the civil war, but it was really low and not easily collected. They tried again for a couple of years in the 1890s but then it was ruled unconstitutional. But really the rates were something like 3%. It was really low starting out in 1913 too, like 1% on most people. It didn't take long to ramp up to pay for WWI. So world war was the civil society you got out of the income tax.

Comparing the US pre-WWII (say, 1939) and post-WWII (1955 or so, after the first batch of GI Bill recipients had graduated from college and been at their jobs for a few years), I think most people would agree that was money well spent.


Immorally collected, spent killing millions, but hey the US won the wars, so we got the loot, so we had that going for us.
 
2013-03-14 11:42:18 PM

CorporatePerson: The only humor the guy understands is being a dick


static4.businessinsider.com
"I like being able to fire people."
 
2013-03-14 11:43:55 PM

BarkingUnicorn: TopoGigo: BarkingUnicorn: I wouldn't change the progressive tax system. But don't pretend it doesn't penalize the earning of more money.

Seriously? Income tax is not a penalty. It's a f*cking bill. It's the bill for living in a civil society. If you don't agree with how we split the brackets, let's argue about that. If you think they're too high because we spend too much, let's argue about that, too. If you think they shouldn't be progressive, I think you're an idiot, but I'll have that argument too. But if you seriously consider income tax to be a "penalty on working harder", then you're dancing into Tea Party fractal wrongness territory.

Did you miss my very first sentence even though you quoted it above?  If you earn more money, your marginal tax rate goes up.  You keep less of the additional money that you earn.  That's a penalty.  Take the bad with the good but don't pretend that bad is good; it makes you look foolish or dishonest.


Words have connotations as well as denotations. It's not a penalty. Yes, it's true that for each $10k you gross, you net less. This is not done to penalize higher earners*; it's done to keep the lower earners from starving to death. It's also done for pragmatic reasons. The money taxed from low-income workers comes from money they would be spending. The money taxed from high-income workers comes from money they would be hoarding. Thus, it's better for the economy to tax higher earners more. Whether it's more fair to do so is a matter of opinion, but I think the overwhelming weight of evidence falls on the side of it being more fair.

*Yes, we often talk about taxing the rich as punishment, or their just deserts. This is merely venting at the appalling income and opportunity inequality in this country. Almost nobody really believes that we should punish people just for being rich.
 
2013-03-14 11:44:48 PM

DustBunny: Kuta: I always figured that $1/drink (even for a free glass of water) was a fair enough tip unless you're really drinking top shelf liquor. And that's of course not if you're running up a tab then standard rates apply.

Really? You have to tip for each drink? Why don't you just increase the price of the drink by $1 and pay the bartender properly? I really don't get it...

All this bother, stress, biatchiness, pettiness and hate for non-tippers just because you allow restaurant and bar management to outsource their HR to you...

/I've worked kitchen and bar, never got tips, never did a poorer job because of it as I was paid properly to do a  proper job and never felt the petty need to give someone lesser service because they didn't pay me extra.


Oh, it gets better!  Servers are expected to share  their tips with the back-end staff, so the employer doesn't have to pay the latter more than minimum wage.  Laws forbid employers from requiring such tip-sharing, but if you're a server who doesn't share with coworkers, you probably won't last long.

Tipping is insanely complex and contentious here in the good ol' USA.  The bottom line is that employers get to externalize a good chunk of their labor costs.
 
2013-03-14 11:44:56 PM

jigger: Immorally collected, spent killing millions, but hey the US won the wars, so we got the loot, so we had that going for us.


I'm not about to bother debating anyone on the moral reasons for entering WWII. However, I think it is the last "war" that we've been majorly involved in for which we had true moral justification.

Also, there is no way you can possibly believe that we made money on that deal.
 
2013-03-14 11:46:41 PM
kfmb.images.worldnow.com
"I'm not concerned about the very poor, there is a safety net there."
 
2013-03-14 11:48:42 PM
www1.pictures.zimbio.com
"I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners."
 
2013-03-14 11:49:08 PM
At least Romney didn't break the bartender's finger like this asshole did to his waiter.
 
2013-03-14 11:51:33 PM
s1.reutersmedia.net
"Planned Parenthood, we're going to get rid of that."
 
2013-03-14 11:51:58 PM

ox45tallboy: I'd rather get 15% from a kind and courteous person than 20% from an asshole. (Okay, if the rent was due, I might be willing to take some abuse for a few extra bucks, but you know what I mean.)


Heh! Reminds me of a shirt I used to wear at strip clubs during the first week of a month:

www.foulmouthshirts.com
 
2013-03-14 11:52:04 PM

Speaker2Animals: Parthenogenetic: But regardless, the LDS church forbids tea and coffee, not caffeine per se.  Caffeine use is not encouraged, perhaps, but it is not forbidden.

Typical hair-splitting religious gobbledegook. How this religion survived the translation of the Rosetta Stone is one of life's great mysteries -- right up there with why people making less than a million dollars ever vote Republican.


The only reason sodas are allowed is because Mormons own Pepsi. So not just typical gobbledegook, but hypocrisy as well.
 
2013-03-14 11:53:52 PM

CorporatePerson: I liked when he made fun of the NASCAR guys wearing ponchos out in the rain. "I like those fancy raincoats you bought. Really sprung for the big bucks." Romney was practically a Disney villain.


Jesus Christ!  How has he kept all of his teeth for so long???
 
2013-03-14 11:54:18 PM
True story --

My mom ran the foodservice at a university in Pennsylvania when Bill Clinton was running for his second term. He was doing a speech at the college and was going to eat there.

Thing was, none of the wait staff actually got to take the food in to the prez. They weren't going to have a chance to meet him (and personally, regardless of politics, it is kind of cool to meet the president).

Anyway, before they sent dessert in, which was some fruit thing, my mom (OK...and you may thing this totally crazy, but it's absolutely true) took a banana with the "Dole" sticker still on it and put it on the plate with a note underneath on a napkin that said "Hope this Dole makes your day".

But, she didn't hear anything. She and the rest of the staff were really disappointed that they weren't going to meet Bill. In the meantime, my mom struck up a conversation with one of the security detail (my mom was gregarious and exceptionally likable) and eventually told him that she was disappointed that she didn't get to meet Bill.

Apparently, this got back to the prez. He jumped out of the back of his limo and into the kitchen, secret service in tow trying to catch him. He barked, "Who's the lady who put this banana on my plate?"

Mom started laughing and they chatted for a minute. I have a FANTASTIC picture of her, Bill, the executive chef and the head server (which I won't post).

That's why Bill got elected. He's a charmer to the core and, from what I've heard, a genuinely nice guy.

//True Story
//RIP momsie
 
2013-03-14 11:54:49 PM
static.globalgrind.com
"Ann Drives a couple of Cadillacs!"
 
2013-03-14 11:55:33 PM

ox45tallboy: [kfmb.images.worldnow.com image 512x326]
"I'm not concerned about the very poor, there is a safety net there."


That was one of the best lines from the 47% video. "It's not my job to care about those people."

That's what makes me love this story so much. This destroyed Romney precisely because there was no chicanery behind it. It wasn't a James O' Keefe hack job or an organized swiftboat attack. It was just Romney being Romney. An incredibly powerful man giving his best sales pitch to some of the most powerful people in the country. A fascinating glimpse into how the powerful view the rest of the country.

And Romney was such an insulated twerp that it took him weeks to take it back. Also because a good chunk of the Republican Party gave him a big thumbs up and said "You do man Mitt! HATE THE POOR HARDER!"
 
2013-03-14 11:56:31 PM
If the rest of it didn't convince you, the whole deal regarding tea and coffee should be proof enough that Mormonism is an insane religion.

Hot drinks? Turns out they're okay.
Caffeinated drinks? Yeah, they're okay too.
Hot caffeinated drinks? No, that mixture releases evil spirits apparently.

Whackadoodle.
 
2013-03-14 11:57:24 PM

ox45tallboy: TopoGigo: I personally believe that we're pretty stupid about how we spend our money, and I'd like a top-down reboot of what our government does for us.

That's definitely something to discuss. The Constitution has been in effect longer than any other existing government on the planet. Many newly forming (or re-forming) nations are no longer using the US Constitution as a basis for their own Constitution, as they feel there are better ways of doing things. The most commonly used framework nowadays is actually the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

It's obvious that what's happening now cannot sustain itself. We've had disagreement before, but right now the minority party refuses to allow the country to be run unless they get their way. Perhaps we do need consider a top-down change in our government.


I don't think we need a top-down reform of our system of government. Our system is a pretty good one as far as such things go. Sure, the concept of semi-autonomous "states" under a federal compact is pretty outdated, but the reality of states' rights fades nearly in time with the need for them. We need real, honest-to-god campaign finance reform, and a few rules changes in the governing bodies, but the system itself is way better than we deserve. After all, it's not like that many of us actually vote, and the most of the ones who do don't have any idea who they're voting for.

I'd really like a change in the basic philosophy of what the government does. I believe that the government should protect the interests of the common man against the abuses of those with money and power. I believe it should regulate the markets in such a way that they're as free as possible. Free markets without monopoly, or tax incentives, or market subsidies without a clear policy goal that's actually needed. Basically, I believe that our government currently fails at its core responsibilities, and then spends way too much money on band-aids to hide the fact that they're allowing the rich to steal from the poor, and the powerful to steal from the weak. Everything we do costs more than it should because we're letting the Mongol Hordes pillage before they rape.
 
2013-03-14 11:58:18 PM

ox45tallboy: freetomato: I left a story or two on BW myself. I waited tables through college. Then, when divorcing a man that almost bankcrupted me, I worked 20+ hrs a week (plus my 40 hr/wk gig at the corporate HQ of a bank and military reserves) at a very pricey, upscale place. Most of the guests were classy and generous. Others clearly thought I was just some moron incapable of having a "real" job and were snobbish and dismissive, not to mention stingy. I always tip well, and say please and thank you. I was always grateful of guests who treated me civilly and I too base a good part of my character assessment on how one treats "the help".

I'd rather get 15% from a kind and courteous person than 20% from an asshole. (Okay, if the rent was due, I might be willing to take some abuse for a few extra bucks, but you know what I mean.)


Absolutely know what you mean. I waited on actor Richard Dysart, Jeremy McGrath (very wealthy former Supercross champ, now dipping into NASCAR), Frank Hannon from the band Tesla, and a half dozen athletes from the Falcons and the Hawks. All were very nice and tipped 30% or up. All in all though, the best were those who were probably lower on the income scale - sweet people and I wanted them to enjoy their meal and didn't stress if their tip wasn't huge. The real dicks I enmcountered were those that thought treating me like shiat would impress somebody. I sensed more than once, from the looks on their faces, that their dates were appalled.

Sorry for the wall quote - on mobile.
 
2013-03-15 12:00:02 AM
talkingpointsmemo.com
"The answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home!"
 
2013-03-15 12:04:16 AM
assets.rollingstone.com
"No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less."
 
2013-03-15 12:08:32 AM

BarkingUnicorn: At least Romney didn't break the bartender's finger like this asshole did to his waiter.


At the classy place I worked, I had some jerk elbow me in the kidney hard as I loaded a tray of drinks because I had the audacity to have an edge on my voice the 6th farking time I had to ask him to move away from the brass rails at the bar. I didn't spill a drop, which was probably his intent. I did, however call the manager amd would have pressed charges had he not dashed out like the cowardly weasel he was. Nouveau rich dickhead.
 
2013-03-15 12:09:02 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Oh, it gets better! Servers are expected to share their tips with the back-end staff, so the employer doesn't have to pay the latter more than minimum wage.


That's not true everywhere. I try very hard never to go to a restaurant that steals their wait staff's tips. *cough* (applebee's) *cough* Encouraging a small tip-out to one bus-boy or hostess who busts his/her ass to clear the tables the c*nts refuse to prebus is a good strategy to encourage proper teamwork, but it should never exceed single-digit percentages of their tips, and it should never be more than one staff member per shift. I also try to avoid places whose plate price and section size are set up so the wait staff can't ever make good tips. I absolutely don't want to be served by someone making less than $15/hr. I say this even as a professional cook who has never made the kind of money that the servers make. What I buy with my tip is the will to serve. In a world without tips, every restaurant is McDonald's.
 
2013-03-15 12:09:53 AM
assets.rollingstone.com
"As president, I will create 12 million new jobs."


45 minutes later....

i2.cdn.turner.com
"Government does not create jobs. Government does not create jobs."
 
2013-03-15 12:13:59 AM
Relevant: Link
 
2013-03-15 12:14:10 AM

freetomato: the brass rails at the bar


Maybe you can answer this. There is a name for that space between the vertical rails at a bar. Some places keep it free for cocktail waitresses to pick up drinks, but places without floor staff or shot girls reserve it for customers not lucky enough to get a barstool to form a line for drinks. I swear I used to know the name for it, but it's completely fallen out of my brain. I've searched the googles many times with no luck. My faulty brain keeps telling me that it's a "well", but I know I'm conflating the bottom shelf of liquor with the space reserved around the judge's bench in court. Any ideas?
 
2013-03-15 12:14:12 AM
img.ibtimes.com
"When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no -- and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem."
 
2013-03-15 12:15:15 AM

ox45tallboy: [static.globalgrind.com image 540x359]
"Ann Drives a couple of Cadillacs!"


Not at once, douchebag.

ox45tallboy: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x360]
"The answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home!"


Mexico has a striving meth economy.  It only makes sense.

ox45tallboy: [assets.rollingstone.com image 600x350]
"No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less."


So, the exact number isn't precisely calculated.  It takes time to come up with accurate numbers on the average income in the U.S.

ox45tallboy: [assets.rollingstone.com image 500x334]
"As president, I will create 12 million new jobs."

45 minutes later....

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 500x280]
"Government does not create jobs. Government does not create jobs."


The president isn't JUST government.  The president is president.
 
2013-03-15 12:16:31 AM

ox45tallboy: [img.ibtimes.com image 500x341]
"When you have a fire in an aircraft, there's no place to go, exactly, there's no -- and you can't find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don't open. I don't know why they don't do that. It's a real problem."


Many airlines charge extra fees for windows that open. It's a scam.  The problem is they get away with it.  They should be sued.  Why isn't Obama doing anything about this?  Why is Obama so ineffectual?
 
2013-03-15 12:19:20 AM

MrHappyRotter: ox45tallboy: [assets.rollingstone.com image 600x350]
"No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less."

So, the exact number isn't precisely calculated. It takes time to come up with accurate numbers on the average income in the U.S.


I really hope you're this ignorant. Obviously you either forgot your /sarc tag or you're trolling, but I'm holding out hope that you're actually clueless enough to believe the average income is anywhere near 6 figures.
 
2013-03-15 12:20:03 AM

GhostFish: Hot drinks? Turns out they're okay.


Yeah I work with a mormon who gets a hot chocolate when we all go for coffee...

Never asked her about it, cos I don't think I could stop there with the questions and I'd end up asking about the aliens and the different heavens and whether she'd get to rule her own planet, and she's too nice to alienate like that...
 
2013-03-15 12:20:38 AM

MrHappyRotter: Many airlines charge extra fees for windows that open. It's a scam.


Damn, I only had to read one more post for my answer. Oh, well. It was worth a shot.
 
2013-03-15 12:21:15 AM

TopoGigo: freetomato: the brass rails at the bar

Maybe you can answer this. There is a name for that space between the vertical rails at a bar. Some places keep it free for cocktail waitresses to pick up drinks, but places without floor staff or shot girls reserve it for customers not lucky enough to get a barstool to form a line for drinks. I swear I used to know the name for it, but it's completely fallen out of my brain. I've searched the googles many times with no luck. My faulty brain keeps telling me that it's a "well", but I know I'm conflating the bottom shelf of liquor with the space reserved around the judge's bench in court. Any ideas?


I don't know either but everywhere I've worked, it is for drink pickup. Astute customers realize that and don't just stand there like stunned cattle, especially after being asked politely 5 farkin' times to "excuse me". I still carry a grudge against that jackass. I was working 90 hours a week - I did NOT need that shiat. I hope wherever he's at he is miserable.
 
2013-03-15 12:21:15 AM

impaler: emotion_lotion: I was told that you can tell the character of a man by the way he treats animals.

By strapping them to a roof.
growlersoftware.com


And that's just how Republicans see him, though they still indignantly parade their Romney/Rapey bumper stickers and grumpily defend their astonishingly sociopathic former candidate.

Abandon and condemn the man, defend forever and to the death their fervent support of him - just like they did with G.W. Bush.

Wouldn't care to be their next candidate, successful or otherwise.
 
2013-03-15 12:21:18 AM
a57.foxnews.com
"We use Ann sparingly right now so that people don't get tired of her."

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
"..."

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-15 12:22:23 AM

TopoGigo: MrHappyRotter: Many airlines charge extra fees for windows that open. It's a scam.

Damn, I only had to read one more post for my answer. Oh, well. It was worth a shot.


Yeah.  You might want to see a doctor about that stick up your ass, while I'm sure it brings you great pleasure, it can also cause intestinal perforations which might prove fatal.
 
2013-03-15 12:25:59 AM
d1csi9vjsd9t3h.cloudfront.net
"[Obama] says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people."
 
2013-03-15 12:28:29 AM

MrHappyRotter: TopoGigo: MrHappyRotter: Many airlines charge extra fees for windows that open. It's a scam.

Damn, I only had to read one more post for my answer. Oh, well. It was worth a shot.

Yeah.  You might want to see a doctor about that stick up your ass, while I'm sure it brings you great pleasure, it can also cause intestinal perforations which might prove fatal.


I was going to make a smartass comment about colon cleansing, then I was going to make a head up ass comment. Now I find I'm too lazy for either, so I'll just pretend I believe you're not a filthy troll and mention the words "cabin pressure" and "$50k".
 
2013-03-15 12:28:37 AM
abcnews.go.com
"I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed."
 
2013-03-15 12:30:18 AM

freetomato: TopoGigo: freetomato: the brass rails at the bar

Maybe you can answer this. There is a name for that space between the vertical rails at a bar. Some places keep it free for cocktail waitresses to pick up drinks, but places without floor staff or shot girls reserve it for customers not lucky enough to get a barstool to form a line for drinks. I swear I used to know the name for it, but it's completely fallen out of my brain. I've searched the googles many times with no luck. My faulty brain keeps telling me that it's a "well", but I know I'm conflating the bottom shelf of liquor with the space reserved around the judge's bench in court. Any ideas?

I don't know either but everywhere I've worked, it is for drink pickup. Astute customers realize that and don't just stand there like stunned cattle, especially after being asked politely 5 farkin' times to "excuse me". I still carry a grudge against that jackass. I was working 90 hours a week - I did NOT need that shiat. I hope wherever he's at he is miserable.


I never drink at places with fancy floor staff, so that space is for the drink line. I'm sure I'd make that mistake once, but to just keep standing there means you're an asshole.
 
2013-03-15 12:31:33 AM
msnbcmedia.msn.com
"PETA is not happy that my dog likes fresh air."
 
2013-03-15 12:31:52 AM
imgc.allpostersimages.com

Lemon. Wet. Good.
 
2013-03-15 12:33:26 AM
i2.cdn.turner.com
"I'm not familiar precisely with what I said, but I'll stand by what I said, whatever it was."
 
2013-03-15 12:34:31 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: [imgc.allpostersimages.com image 325x488]

Lemon. Wet. Good.


I see no lemon. I see a lot of things, some of which may be wet and/or good, but no lemon.

When life hands you lemons, have a lemon party.
 
2013-03-15 12:39:01 AM
i.usatoday.net
"I get speaker's fees from time to time, but not very much."

www.brimg.net
 
2013-03-15 12:40:14 AM

TopoGigo: I see no lemon. I see a lot of things, some of which may be wet and/or good, but no lemon.


Australian (maybe elsewhere as well?) slang for lesbian. :P
 
2013-03-15 12:41:19 AM

freetomato: BarkingUnicorn: At least Romney didn't break the bartender's finger like this asshole did to his waiter.

At the classy place I worked, I had some jerk elbow me in the kidney hard as I loaded a tray of drinks because I had the audacity to have an edge on my voice the 6th farking time I had to ask him to move away from the brass rails at the bar. I didn't spill a drop, which was probably his intent. I did, however call the manager amd would have pressed charges had he not dashed out like the cowardly weasel he was. Nouveau rich dickhead.


Classy place, indeed. ;-)
 
2013-03-15 12:41:23 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Australian (maybe elsewhere as well?) slang for lesbian


British also
 
2013-03-15 12:41:27 AM
img.youtube.com
"Who let the dogs out. Who. Who."
 
2013-03-15 12:44:38 AM

TopoGigo: freetomato: the brass rails at the bar

Maybe you can answer this. There is a name for that space between the vertical rails at a bar.


It's called the "service station."
 
2013-03-15 12:46:10 AM

MrHappyRotter: Many airlines charge extra fees for windows that open. It's a scam. The problem is they get away with it. They should be sued. Why isn't Obama doing anything about this? Why is Obama so ineffectual?


I blame Republican deregulation.
 
2013-03-15 12:50:28 AM

BarkingUnicorn: It's called the "service station."


While bartending on a slow night, I once put one of these signs up in the service area:

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com


...the kicker being, of course, that there wasn't another service window.

I'm easily amused.
/the wait staff was not
 
2013-03-15 12:52:20 AM

Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

I wasn't aware that I was running for office...or, if I were, that I'd be asking for the vote of the worthless.

make sure that when you mistreat poor people that you do so openly.  because THAT will NEVER come back to haunt you later in life.  I'm also hoping that this imperial attitude of yours is common among senior GOP officials.  hey, it turned out great for the Romney campaign, right?  gotta figure that being insulting dick holes towards most of the voters in the country will work in 2016.

rock on man!  you keep right on being you.  I never want you to change!

I'm conservative now?  You're really smart.  You should be the one running for office.

And yes, I will always think that the worthless are worthless.  I'm glad that you are able to dismiss reality and allow your heart to bleed for them.  The scourge on society that they are.  Imagine the progress that we could make if fewer people were in the cart and more were pulling?  And if people like you didn't hand out step ladders for people to climb into the cart....

You would fit in quite well in Boca Raton.

I hate Florida.


What a coincidence, I hate YOU! :-D
 
2013-03-15 01:00:16 AM

BarkingUnicorn: ox45tallboy: I'd rather get 15% from a kind and courteous person than 20% from an asshole. (Okay, if the rent was due, I might be willing to take some abuse for a few extra bucks, but you know what I mean.)

Heh! Reminds me of a shirt I used to wear at strip clubs during the first week of a month:

[www.foulmouthshirts.com image 468x522]


wow, you really are a dick
 
2013-03-15 01:01:09 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: TopoGigo: I see no lemon. I see a lot of things, some of which may be wet and/or good, but no lemon.

Australian (maybe elsewhere as well?) slang for lesbian. :P


Huh. Learn something new every day, I guess.
 
2013-03-15 01:01:46 AM

TaterTot_HotDish: BarkingUnicorn: ox45tallboy: I'd rather get 15% from a kind and courteous person than 20% from an asshole. (Okay, if the rent was due, I might be willing to take some abuse for a few extra bucks, but you know what I mean.)

Heh! Reminds me of a shirt I used to wear at strip clubs during the first week of a month:

[www.foulmouthshirts.com image 468x522]

wow, you really are a dick


Well, he could have worn this instead...

www.abccustomprints.com
 
2013-03-15 01:10:22 AM

Lionel Mandrake: If he had simply not been an entitled, elitist dick...


But he's Mitt Romney.  What else could he be?
 
2013-03-15 01:14:35 AM

ox45tallboy: I'd rather get 15% from a kind and courteous person than 20% from an asshole. (Okay, if the rent was due, I might be willing to take some abuse for a few extra bucks, but you know what I mean.)


When I was delivering pizza, I had a formula for what I considered an acceptable tip. It started at $1 per box, but was modified by a lot of factors. No porch light? Add a buck. Driveway, sidewalk, stairs, etc. hard to navigate? Add a buck. You f*ck up and aren't home, or aren't watching your door, when I arrive? Add one to five dollars, depending on how hard I have to work to get you your food. Your house is on the extreme edge of the delivery area? Add two bucks. You're a remotely attractive girl who's willing to flirt with me and/or answer the door scantily clad? Subtract a couple of bucks. If you're flirty, hot, or naked enough, the tip's on me. You're extremely polite, answer the door immediately, have exact change in your hand, or generally are an easy customer to deal with, subtract a buck. If you're rude, start adding in the dollars.

I definitely had a few semi-regular customers who were rude as hell, but tipped extremely well. I considered it a fair business transaction; after all, I'm selling polite service in exchange for tips.

Interestingly enough, the ladies who made a habit of answering the door in only a barely-tied robe, a towel, an unbuttoned dress shirt and panties, or a white t-shirt and no bra tended to tip extremely well. I guess it was a thanks for allowing them to be exhibitionists in a safe environment, but I would have been happy enough without a tip for many of them. Delivery in a college town isn't IRL Cinemax or anything, but it definitely has its perks for a pervo like me.
 
2013-03-15 01:49:00 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-15 01:56:01 AM
pixel.nymag.com

My my farming unit 522213. Your output is astonishing.
 
2013-03-15 02:10:42 AM

Weaver95: "I handed him a diet Coke with lemon on it," Prouty told Huffington Post, "because I was told that that's what he drank. ... He took it and turned and didn't say anything. ... I presented him the exact right drink that he wanted ... Had it there, sitting there on a napkin. He took it out of my hand and turned his back without a 'thank you' or anything else. ... You can tell a lot about someone the way they take a drink from you. ... [Romney] took it and just turned his back."

yup.  it's the little things that tell you a lot about someone's character.


I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
 
2013-03-15 02:26:34 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: TopoGigo: I see no lemon. I see a lot of things, some of which may be wet and/or good, but no lemon.

Australian (maybe elsewhere as well?) slang for lesbian. :P


Is there a reasoning behind it?  Being compared to a lemon usually isn't very flattering.
 
2013-03-15 02:29:44 AM

Speaker2Animals: Parthenogenetic: But regardless, the LDS church forbids tea and coffee, not caffeine per se.  Caffeine use is not encouraged, perhaps, but it is not forbidden.

Typical hair-splitting religious gobbledegook. How this religion survived the translation of the Rosetta Stone is one of life's great mysteries -- right up there with why people making less than a million dollars ever vote Republican.


all religions are made up control structures supported by deluded followers.
all that is required is rules and people to enforce the rules. period.

Look at "mild drink" which was allowed original but is now banned.

/kill them all, let the lord god satan sort them out
 
2013-03-15 02:48:30 AM

ox45tallboy: BarkingUnicorn: It's called the "service station."

While bartending on a slow night, I once put one of these signs up in the service area:

[encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 160x47]

...the kicker being, of course, that there wasn't another service window.

I'm easily amused.
/the wait staff was not



I've seen several signs of the "STAFF ONLY" variety.  Saw one that was very effective:

IF YOU STAND HERE, YOU'LL NEVER GET A DRINK!
 
2013-03-15 02:49:51 AM

TaterTot_HotDish: BarkingUnicorn: ox45tallboy: I'd rather get 15% from a kind and courteous person than 20% from an asshole. (Okay, if the rent was due, I might be willing to take some abuse for a few extra bucks, but you know what I mean.)

Heh! Reminds me of a shirt I used to wear at strip clubs during the first week of a month:

[www.foulmouthshirts.com image 468x522]

wow, you really are a dick


Fool.  Strippers waste a lot of energy figuring out who has money and is ready to spend it.
 
2013-03-15 02:52:23 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: As much as his dad seemed to be a decent guy, one must wonder if he was an elitist asshole as a father, teaching Mitt to never address the help directly.


My father was a decent guy. My brother is a self-centered ass. You never know.
 
2013-03-15 02:56:46 AM
Not a huge fan of Romney but it's too bad he took so much crap for speaking the truth, even if the truth hurts.
 
2013-03-15 03:01:56 AM

TerminalEchoes: Not a huge fan of Romney but it's too bad he took so much crap for speaking the truth, even if the truth hurts.


The truth being that he was an elitist douchebag?
 
2013-03-15 03:40:46 AM

TerminalEchoes: Not a huge fan of Romney but it's too bad he took so much crap for speaking the truth, even if the truth hurts.


Hey look, everyone!  It's another person who thinks infants, retirees, and disabled veterans are nothing but mooching leechers.
 
2013-03-15 03:49:02 AM
So, now that they know who it was, I am expecting illegal wiretap charges will be brought, right?
 
2013-03-15 04:56:25 AM
This thread delivered.
 
2013-03-15 05:02:45 AM

Summercat: This thread delivered.


For the record, every single caption I did in this thread was an real, direct quote.

It's pretty sad when his actual words are worse than any silly caption I could come up with.
 
2013-03-15 05:15:19 AM

Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


Stupid Demo-rats, trying to buy votes!  Not like me, no siree!  I vote REPUBLICAN, so I can get my TAX CUT!
 
2013-03-15 05:30:35 AM

ox45tallboy: Summercat: This thread delivered.

For the record, every single caption I did in this thread was an real, direct quote.

It's pretty sad when his actual words are worse than any silly caption I could come up with.


Oh, I knew. I read most of the Fark threads on the articles where he said that.

I did spend the time reading through the entire thread, though. And, well, it delivered entirely and wholly. I don't know.

Y'see...

I think there might be something to the Enlightened Self Interest deal. Of course, I generally feel it's in my own self interest to see my neighbors do well - a rising tide raises all boats, but the harbor isn't navigable to anyone if it's filled with wrecks of ships whose hulls weren't intact. If I want a navigable harbor of an economy, I have to make certain my neighbor's ships are seaworthy.

I guess it's a Socialistic Objectivism?
 
2013-03-15 05:39:33 AM

sugardave: TerminalEchoes: Not a huge fan of Romney but it's too bad he took so much crap for speaking the truth, even if the truth hurts.

Hey look, everyone!  It's another person who thinks infants, retirees, and disabled veterans are nothing but mooching leechers.



Now, now. He did preface his standard GOP talking point with "I'm no fan of Romney," so he can't be your average run of the mill shill. None of them have ever done the "I'm no fan of, but" routine. He's an independent. On Fark. A "Fark Independent" if you will.
 
2013-03-15 05:56:06 AM
Funny.  In an earlier post about this dude comming out with his identity I was going to comment that Mitt probably stiffed him on a complimentary Diet Coke and pissed him off.  Then I decided not to because I thought it was more stupid than snarky.  I had no idea how close to the truth my abandoned attempt at a joke was.  I guess as a non-drinker all his life and never having to had to work in comercial food service, Mitt never was taught the lesson that you always take care of your bartender.
 
2013-03-15 05:57:07 AM

RexTalionis: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Pfffft. The guy was a bartender, and therefore falls under the category of "the help". Now if he'd been a mixologist things may have been different.

/thought Mormons couldn't have caffeinated beverages like Coke

[asweetlife.org.s148351.gridserver.com.s148351.gridserver.com image 183x203]


Apparently they decided it was only coffee they rejected when the church figured out they had stock in coca-cola.
 
2013-03-15 06:34:58 AM
Silly Jesus:
And yes, I will always think that the worthless are worthless.  I'm glad that you are able to dismiss reality and allow your heart to bleed for them.  The scourge on society that they are.  Imagine the progress that we could make if fewer people were in the cart and more were pulling?  And if people like you didn't hand out step ladders for people to climb into the cart....

Yes! Think of the trial of dead and destitute we could leave lying behind our cart. It would be glorious. I mean, seriously, fark them!


MrHappyRotter: Yes, let's hate on Romney a little more for being wealthier, better and more successful that most of us can ever dream of being.  Did you thank your safe for doing its job of keeping all your valuables safe from the house keepers while you were away golfing this morning?  Did you thank the brakes on your Ferrari for working like they're supposed to when your lousy chauffeur drove you to dinner this evening?  Exactly.  Why would you ever thank a lowly bartender for doing what he's supposed to do?


Just out of curiosity, what makes the bartender "lowly"?
 
2013-03-15 07:22:03 AM
The best part is CPAC is still trumpeting the makers vs. takers theme.
 
2013-03-15 07:40:08 AM

Weaver95: Cletus C.: You sir, will never work at my fundraiser, thank you very much.

Discretion is the first tenet of good help.

you know, generally speaking I go out of my way to show the wait staff common courtesy and basic polite behavior.  if nothing else it prevents them from spitting in my food.  of course, if YOU want to be jerks to the people who serve you that's your call.  spittle and stale bread really spice up that expensive steak dinner, or so i'm told.



d4.img.v4.skyrock.net
We cook your meals, we tend your bars, we blow your chances at the presidency ....
 
2013-03-15 07:55:06 AM

Weaver95: Silly Jesus:

A tiny percentage of people should pay all of the taxes.  Yay progress!

well, they DO have 40% of all the money ever made...stands to reason that they should pay taxes proportional to that vast reserve of wealth.


This is the interesting thing about people like SJ. They view taxes as a burden on individuals, economic or liberty, etc, rather than simply portions of money moving in the economy. They also do not understand that an individual's right to ownership of anything is given and secured for them by the very institutions...taxes...and government....that they aspire to get rid of.

For the record,my total federal tax burden -- after heavy deductions -- is nearly 30K a year. And I still think the federal progressive tax is a good idea.
 
2013-03-15 07:56:45 AM

HotWingConspiracy: The best part is CPAC is still trumpeting the makers vs. takers theme.


Yep... The GOP has learned nothing.
 
2013-03-15 08:11:35 AM

Silly Jesus: Loving societal and evolutionary rejects is an odd hobby.


Social darwinism?

Dude, that is so 1940s.
 
2013-03-15 08:32:38 AM
Aphrodite what an asshole.
 
2013-03-15 08:33:10 AM

ox45tallboy: How we wound up with the cheerleader instead of the football player I'll never quite understand.


www.rawstory.com

"I didn't get where I am today through some grotty little ballot box."
 
2013-03-15 08:57:29 AM

ox45tallboy: Summercat: This thread delivered.

For the record, every single caption I did in this thread was an real, direct quote.

It's pretty sad when his actual words are worse than any silly caption I could come up with.


And thank you for all those.
 
2013-03-15 09:06:45 AM

sugardave: TerminalEchoes: Not a huge fan of Romney but it's too bad he took so much crap for speaking the truth, even if the truth hurts.

Hey look, everyone!  It's another person who thinks infants, retirees, and disabled veterans are nothing but mooching leechers.


Niiiiice. Great job cherry-picking your examples, moran.
 
2013-03-15 09:16:32 AM
Look, all arguing aside about politics, the lesson to be learned here is one person can change the course of your life, positively or negatively. Also, common courtesy goes a long way. Had Romney taken a second to simply make eye contact and say "thank you", the bartender would not have been filming his second encounter with Mitt, and he may have very well won the presidency. I've always felt that people should have to work retail and food service once in their lives, it really teaches you a lot about how to interact with people, and you can tell the ones that haven't had that experience.

I also trust Obama to know the plight of the struggling American because he's been there. Being broke and having to decide between gas for the car to get to work, or buying milk, gives you a better framework for being grateful for what you have when the struggling times are over.
 
2013-03-15 09:18:24 AM
Silly Jesus: Well, he wasn't wrong.  A large percentage of the population is worthless...and that number is only growing.

A new Georgia State University study just confirmed what liberals love to deny...the welfare state is a democratic slave plantation.  Keep the checks a comin' and the votes a rollin in!


So, does Silly Jesus think all black people worthless, or just the ones that get welfare payments?
 
2013-03-15 09:27:20 AM
And as far as welfare and food stamps go, well I'm ok with helping people out. I'd rather we all pitch in for the few that can't or won't work than worry about a shiatload of starving and desperate people roaming around and what they would do to feed themselves or their children. You can't tell me you wouldn't become a criminal to keep your kids fed if there was no other way.

I think there is an idea out there about the typical person on assistance. Maybe they should bring back the soup kitchens of the Great Depression because then everyone would see what people on assistance look like.

My ex and I were both working full time and after paying our $550 in rent plus utilities, we couldn't even afford shopping at Aldis but we made too much at minimum wage to qualify for assistance. Had my parents not fed us I don't know what we would have done. It was just one rough year and within 3 years we had recovered enough and moved up enough in pay that we could afford a new 180k home. Not everyone making a low wage is a loser or a deadbeat, and it didn't make us lazy to have my parents feeding us, it actually motivated us more to do better.
 
2013-03-15 09:28:45 AM

TerminalEchoes: sugardave: TerminalEchoes: Not a huge fan of Romney but it's too bad he took so much crap for speaking the truth, even if the truth hurts.

Hey look, everyone!  It's another person who thinks infants, retirees, and disabled veterans are nothing but mooching leechers.

Niiiiice. Great job cherry-picking your examples, moran.


Okay, here's what you say is "the truth:"

"There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what ... who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... and so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

So, who do you think are the 47% of Americans who...

* are dependent on government
* believe they are victims
* pay no income tax
* don't take personal responsibility or care for their lives?

Difficulty: not just those who pay no income tax - all 4 items.
 
2013-03-15 09:34:17 AM

ocd002: Look, all arguing aside about politics, the lesson to be learned here is one person can change the course of your life, positively or negatively. Also, common courtesy goes a long way. Had Romney taken a second to simply make eye contact and say "thank you", the bartender would not have been filming his second encounter with Mitt, and he may have very well won the presidency. I've always felt that people should have to work retail and food service once in their lives, it really teaches you a lot about how to interact with people, and you can tell the ones that haven't had that experience.

I also trust Obama to know the plight of the struggling American because he's been there. Being broke and having to decide between gas for the car to get to work, or buying milk, gives you a better framework for being grateful for what you have when the struggling times are over.


Hey, Mitt & Ann had it rough, too.

They were not easy years. You have to understand, I was raised in a lovely neighborhood, as was Mitt, and at BYU, we moved into a $62-a-month basement apartment with a cement floor and lived there two years as students with no income. It was tiny. And I didn't have money to carpet the floor. But you can get remnants, samples, so I glued them together, all different colors. It looked awful, but it was carpeting.We were happy, studying hard. Neither one of us had a job, because Mitt had enough of an investment from stock that we could sell off a little at a time. The stock came from Mitt's father. When he took over American Motors, the stock was worth nothing. But he invested Mitt's birthday money year to year-it wasn't much, a few thousand, but he put it into American Motors because he believed in himself. Five years later, stock that had been $6 a share was $96 and Mitt cashed it so we could live and pay for education.Mitt and I walked to class together, shared housekeeping, had a lot of pasta and tuna fish and learned hard lessons.http://www.samefacts.com/2012/01/income-distribution/mitt-ro mney-and-a nn-the-students-struggling-so-much-that-they-had-to-sell-stock/
That stock (valued at $377,000 in today's dollars) is all they had.


Those poor kids.
 
2013-03-15 09:38:28 AM

TerminalEchoes: sugardave: TerminalEchoes: Not a huge fan of Romney but it's too bad he took so much crap for speaking the truth, even if the truth hurts.

Hey look, everyone!  It's another person who thinks infants, retirees, and disabled veterans are nothing but mooching leechers.

Niiiiice. Great job cherry-picking your examples, moran.


Those "cherry-picked examples" are about 3/4 of your 47%, moran.
 
2013-03-15 09:38:47 AM

TerminalEchoes: sugardave: TerminalEchoes: Not a huge fan of Romney but it's too bad he took so much crap for speaking the truth, even if the truth hurts.

Hey look, everyone!  It's another person who thinks infants, retirees, and disabled veterans are nothing but mooching leechers.

Niiiiice. Great job cherry-picking your examples, moran.


Oh Great-Name-Caller, please enlighten me who makes up the 47% percent, then?  If the 47% doesn't contain ANY of the groups I mentioned, there must be vast, densely-packed swaths of these leeches that somehow evade detection.  But you know where they all are?  Let us know so we can see them in their mooching glory!
 
2013-03-15 09:59:34 AM
Clean food, please.
 
2013-03-15 10:05:05 AM

gadian: I've been faced with a connundrum in the past.  As I was raised in the south with a stereotypical southern grandmother, I say "thank you" any time anyone does something nice for me.  Like when I'm at an event and someone with a tray happens by with drinks on it and allows me to take one or if someone just hands me a drink.  I've been reprimanded by peers and employers for doing so.  Apparently the people who work these sorts of thing are hired help who, professionally, wish to be invisible.  Saying "Thank you" embarrasses them or breaks the professional wall or breach of contract with the catering company, what have you.

I still think it's right to say thank you, but I wouldn't want to do so if the paid ninjas would be offended by me doing so.


As someone who's been to these events on both sides of the tray, that is just weird that people would tell you not to address those folks. I strongly dislike being ignored when I am in a serving position, and I would NEVER take something from a server without saying thank you. EVER.  wtf.
 
2013-03-15 10:09:33 AM

freetomato: BarkingUnicorn: At least Romney didn't break the bartender's finger like this asshole did to his waiter.

At the classy place I worked, I had some jerk elbow me in the kidney hard as I loaded a tray of drinks because I had the audacity to have an edge on my voice the 6th farking time I had to ask him to move away from the brass rails at the bar. I didn't spill a drop, which was probably his intent. I did, however call the manager amd would have pressed charges had he not dashed out like the cowardly weasel he was. Nouveau rich dickhead.


See, this is why you are a better person than I am, because I would have slugged him.  Not saying that would have been the right thing to do.
 
2013-03-15 12:55:42 PM

eraser8: Silly Jesus: The opposition to it was just some libby lib saying "NUH UH!"

Thanks for the link...but, I found the study on my own.  And, reading through it, I have to agree with the people who find the abstract unconvincing.

If there's an important claim in the study, it's this:  In some cases, the cost of earning an additional $100 of income is a loss of benefits double that amount (Figure 3a, section E).

That claim seems undeniably true.  But, it doesn't actually support your argument that people who use government assistance are "worthless" or "parasites."

Instead, the study seems to show that government assistance programs are poorly designed.  And, quite frankly, a lot of that poor design has to do with right wingnut interference.

A person should NEVER be penalized for earning more money.  That is, every extra dollar earned should be worth more than relying on government to provide a service.  But, under systems heavily influenced by Republican thinking, the opposite happens.  In fact, the Republican ransom for keeping people out of poverty seems to be a system in which people are condemned to poverty.

The problem isn't government assistance.  The problem is that government assistance has had to accommodate Republican "thinking."  The disaster has been "conservative" ideology.

Take Medicaid for example.  A poor mother is going to avoid making more money if an increase in income means that her child will lack medical care because her wages are too high to qualify for government assistance and too low to pay for the doctors and medications needed to keep her child alive.  The liberal position is to give the mother support for much longer.  The conservative position is to let the kid die.

That's tragic and stupid.


I have maybe 5 people favorited.

This is why you are one of them.

/reading the actual study?
//what a concept
 
2013-03-15 08:39:34 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00: It would have never occurred to Mitt Romney to say thank you to a bartender.

nope.  little people don't matter.  only the rich elites matter, at least to the GOP insiders anyways.  the fact that being openly contemptuous of damn near everyone in the united states might cost them the election simply never occurred to Romney.  little people mean nothing.  they're 'little people' for a reason.


And ultimately it's the little peoples fault.  Sincerely.  If that bartender had said something about it loudly and forcefully, to Romney, it might have made a difference to Romney's behavior next time.

It's the lesson of the "ants vs the grasshoppers'.

/certainly everyone has seen "Bugs Life"
 
2013-03-15 09:51:47 PM

Frederick: Sincerely. If that bartender had said something about it loudly and forcefully, to Romney, it might have made a difference to Romney's behavior next time.


You know, that's probably true. But think about what a difference it would have made to the bartender's life as well.

Bartender jobs aren't as easy to come by as you might think; most places have people "work up" to that position after cocktailing or waiting tables for sh*t pay for a few months or even years, and they give the really good shifts (the kind that allow you to actually make a halfway decent living above the poverty line) to the people that have the shown the most loyalty by working there for the longest.

If you've ever seen the movie Waiting, there is a scene where Justin Long's character confronts an ignorant redneck about a really crappy tip. He gets yelled at by the boss. I did the same thing once to a lady that had ran me, not because she left me $1.45 on a $60+ check, but because as she was leaving, she told her lady friends she was out to dinner with (two of whom she had picked up the check for) that she had "take good care of [me]",

I followed her out to her car and confronted her. One of the ladies handed me $5, which I took so that that lady wouldn't feel bad.

I got a day off, but pretty much most of the other servers would have been fired to set an example. I was lucky because they were hurting for competent servers at the time.

Do you not think that a phone call from a campaign, considering how much money was spent there by campaign staff and others hoping to meet the candidate, might have had severe repercussions for the bartender, had he confronted Romney? This is why most wait staff won't confront people that treat them like sh*t, and why so many people treat the staff like sh*t to begin with.
 
2013-03-15 10:27:56 PM

ox45tallboy: Frederick: Sincerely. If that bartender had said something about it loudly and forcefully, to Romney, it might have made a difference to Romney's behavior next time.

You know, that's probably true. But think about what a difference it would have made to the bartender's life as well.

Bartender jobs aren't as easy to come by as you might think; most places have people "work up" to that position after cocktailing or waiting tables for sh*t pay for a few months or even years, and they give the really good shifts (the kind that allow you to actually make a halfway decent living above the poverty line) to the people that have the shown the most loyalty by working there for the longest.

If you've ever seen the movie Waiting, there is a scene where Justin Long's character confronts an ignorant redneck about a really crappy tip. He gets yelled at by the boss. I did the same thing once to a lady that had ran me, not because she left me $1.45 on a $60+ check, but because as she was leaving, she told her lady friends she was out to dinner with (two of whom she had picked up the check for) that she had "take good care of [me]",

I followed her out to her car and confronted her. One of the ladies handed me $5, which I took so that that lady wouldn't feel bad.

I got a day off, but pretty much most of the other servers would have been fired to set an example. I was lucky because they were hurting for competent servers at the time.

Do you not think that a phone call from a campaign, considering how much money was spent there by campaign staff and others hoping to meet the candidate, might have had severe repercussions for the bartender, had he confronted Romney? This is why most wait staff won't confront people that treat them like sh*t, and why so many people treat the staff like sh*t to begin with.


Oh, I agree -there would have been consequences.  But still; the ants have got to stand up to the grasshopper sometime.  Maybe this ant would have been squished -but enough ants and the grasshopper gets his.

The ants (us little people if I'm not making myself clear) at some point have to take responsibility for getting shiat on.
 
2013-03-15 10:42:21 PM
He actually might have gotten good video had he confronted him. "Boy, how dare you address me! Jeeves, have this riff raff removed posthaste!"
 
2013-03-15 10:42:24 PM

Frederick: Oh, I agree -there would have been consequences. But still; the ants have got to stand up to the grasshopper sometime. Maybe this ant would have been squished -but enough ants and the grasshopper gets his.

The ants (us little people if I'm not making myself clear) at some point have to take responsibility for getting shiat on.


I just spent 20 minutes watching the video of Scott Prouty's comments on The Ed Show, and reading the accompanying Mother Jones article. What Scott did, by refusing to come out of anonimity, was make sure the conversation stayed about the contents of the message rather than the guy who recorded it. He changed the face of an American election, and didn't get paid to do so. He could have taken money at any time for interviews, but he didn't, because that would have opened him up to all kinds of attacks and made the conversation about him rather than the words on the tape.

Sometimes doing what you believe in isn't so profitable.
 
2013-03-15 10:56:57 PM

freetomato: He actually might have gotten good video had he confronted him. "Boy, how dare you address me! Jeeves, have this riff raff removed posthaste!"


Like the way John McCain treated medical marijuana patients who questioned his position?

Actually, McCain was gracious and let them state their question, and didn't demand they be removed. He was, however, rather dismissal of their claims that medical marijuana was beneficial, and stated that he had talked to many who claimed the opposite - never mind the fact that McCain (on several occasions) was talking to a medical marijuana patient in front of him and telling the patient that he (the patient) was incorrect about about the effectiveness of the medicine he was taking!

But he was somewhat gracious on the whole (in comparison to some other candidates), in that he let people ask their questions.
 
2013-03-16 09:18:18 AM

Sgt Otter: Is there a reasoning behind it?  Being compared to a lemon usually isn't very flattering.


Buggered if I know. I've always taken it as a compliment. *shrugs*
 
2013-03-16 11:39:17 AM
TopoGigo:When life hands you lemons, have a lemon party.

"Dammit, these things are sour! What the hell is wrong with you, Life?"
 
2013-03-16 08:40:59 PM

anfrind: Mitt falls in the second because he got a huge boost at the start of his career from his father's fortune and never knew what it was like to be poor.


Oh no.  Remember when he and Ann got their first apartment and they had to use an ironing board as a table because their furniture hadn't arrived yet?  And they hadn't hired a butler or cook yet so they had to server themselves?
 
2013-03-16 08:54:32 PM

stoli n coke: It's conditioned response. Years of talk radio and idiot relatives have gotten SJ to immediately associate "welfare" with "unmarried black woman with 8 kids who drives a Cadillac and has a big screen TV, paid for by taxpayers.


Not only that, but because welfare isn't taxed the welfare queen is not an income tax filer therefore she cannot be part of the 47% of filers who pay no federal income tax.
 
2013-03-17 04:26:40 AM

Graffito: anfrind: Mitt falls in the second because he got a huge boost at the start of his career from his father's fortune and never knew what it was like to be poor.

Oh no.  Remember when he and Ann got their first apartment and they had to use an ironing board as a table because their furniture hadn't arrived yet?  And they hadn't hired a butler or cook yet so they had to server themselves?


I am up too late and remembering what working poor means. We had a sofa that had a brick holding up one end. Our tv had a screen that rolled unless you thumped it. My big sis got wise and grabbed an armful of shoes. Toss a shoe at the upper left hand corner to stop the roll, gather them up during commercials...reload. Hand me downs and thrift stores, Rice a Roni with ground beef.... I didn't feel poor but I see as an adult that my mom raised us girls on a shoestring budget. What we lacked in material things, we made up for, in spades, with a mom who turned us on to music, art,literature, strategic thinking, and compassion. I didn't realize we were financially poor till I was an adult. I watched the RNC, the whole "we had it rough" routine and couldn't wrap my brain around how people that grew up poor like me or poorer, and are still struggling, could think Romney gave a rat's ass about them.
 
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