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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-14 03:39:15 PM
They have kept it under control so far.
 
2013-03-14 03:40:12 PM
Not that there was much in the way of details, but it seems like he's saying that without their faith and devotion to God, all that is left is the compassion you'd find in any other service-based NGO, not that they'd be in danger of becoming compassionate.  As a church, they're supposed to be more than that.

But there is definitely compassion in spades for the poor in the Catholic Church: Catholic Charities, Catholic Relief Services, Cross Catholic Outreach, the Saint Vincent de Paul society, etc...  it isn't all fighting against gay marriage/adoption and contraception.
 
2013-03-14 03:46:19 PM
"We would end up a compassionate NGO


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2013-03-14 03:56:31 PM
Pope Francis has warned the Catholic Church would become "a compassionate NGO" without spiritual renewal.
In a Sistine Chapel Mass with cardinals on his first day as Church leader, the pontiff said: "If we do not confess to Christ, what would we be?
"We would end up a compassionate NGO. What would happen would be like when children make sand castles and then it all falls down."


so if you are kind to the sick and poor but aren't a christian then...what?  it doesn't count?
 
2013-03-14 04:12:36 PM

Weaver95: so if you are kind to the sick and poor but aren't a christian then...what? it doesn't count?


I vaguely remember from Catholic school that if you're not Catholic but still act in ways that are Christ-like, you can get into heaven.  It's possible that it's only the case for people who are baptized, though, I don't remember.  Good deeds gets you part of the way there.

For some other Christian branches, good deeds don't mean shiat... you've either accepted Christ as your savior, or you're going to hell.
 
2013-03-14 04:14:36 PM
Yes, all that priestly compassion truly is a danger to the church. It has already led to many prolapsed Catholic boys.
 
2013-03-14 04:18:28 PM

factoryconnection: Not that there was much in the way of details, but it seems like he's saying that without their faith and devotion to God, all that is left is the compassion you'd find in any other service-based NGO, not that they'd be in danger of becoming compassionate.  As a church, they're supposed to be more than that.

But there is definitely compassion in spades for the poor in the Catholic Church: Catholic Charities, Catholic Relief Services, Cross Catholic Outreach, the Saint Vincent de Paul society, etc...  it isn't all fighting against gay marriage/adoption and contraception.


Careful.  Folks around here don't like that sort of talk.
 
2013-03-14 04:20:43 PM

factoryconnection: Not that there was much in the way of details, but it seems like he's saying that without their faith and devotion to God, all that is left is the compassion you'd find in any other service-based NGO, not that they'd be in danger of becoming compassionate.  As a church, they're supposed to be more than that.

But there is definitely compassion in spades for the poor in the Catholic Church: Catholic Charities, Catholic Relief Services, Cross Catholic Outreach, the Saint Vincent de Paul society, etc...  it isn't all fighting against gay marriage/adoption and contraception.


Careful, that's not what the godless heatherns like to hear.
 
2013-03-14 04:36:33 PM

factoryconnection: Not that there was much in the way of details, but it seems like he's saying that without their faith and devotion to God, all that is left is the compassion you'd find in any other service-based NGO, not that they'd be in danger of becoming compassionate.  As a church, they're supposed to be more than that.

But there is definitely compassion in spades for the poor in the Catholic Church: Catholic Charities, Catholic Relief Services, Cross Catholic Outreach, the Saint Vincent de Paul society, etc...  it isn't all fighting against gay marriage/adoption and contraception.


All wonderful kid-diddling waterfronts, I hear.

/snark
 
2013-03-14 04:38:35 PM
I hear they're good with kids.  So they're kind of like napalm
 
2013-03-14 04:39:24 PM

factoryconnection: But there is definitely compassion in spades for the poor in the Catholic Church: Catholic Charities, Catholic Relief Services, Cross Catholic Outreach, the Saint Vincent de Paul society, etc...  it isn't all fighting against gay marriage/adoption and contraception.


Plus think of all the young boys they've provided a free sex education for!
 
2013-03-14 04:40:07 PM
If the guy were to come out in front of the crowd and confess his worst qualities, most heinous deeds, and impure thoughts - then maybe I could take his little showboating examples of humility seriously.

Christ requires humanity to exist - individual humans believing that he exists as a supernatural power.  When the Pope stands before a world's audience, he is looking at the near entirety of Christ, minus one piece, that being the Pope himself.  So, when he calls upon the world to confess to Christ, that call is meaningless unless he confesses himself to Christ's assemblage before him.

I wouldn't hold an individual to that standard.  They can confess to Christ privately, as that's the best they're ever really going to do.  However, there's only one pope in the entire universe.  And with the followers of the Catholic church playing the role of Trinity, the pope needs to man up and bare his soul.  That act would open the gates of heaven again to man.  But until it happens, the doors remain closed and the papacy remains a show choir with a bulletproof float.
 
2013-03-14 04:40:49 PM

Weaver95: Pope Francis has warned the Catholic Church would become "a compassionate NGO" without spiritual renewal.
In a Sistine Chapel Mass with cardinals on his first day as Church leader, the pontiff said: "If we do not confess to Christ, what would we be?
"We would end up a compassionate NGO. What would happen would be like when children make sand castles and then it all falls down."

so if you are kind to the sick and poor but aren't a christian then...what?  it doesn't count?


No, you're just... not a Christian. Kinda a failure state for a Christian church.

/good luck getting shiat straight Francis.
 
2013-03-14 04:42:22 PM

Weaver95: Pope Francis has warned the Catholic Church would become "a compassionate NGO" without spiritual renewal.
In a Sistine Chapel Mass with cardinals on his first day as Church leader, the pontiff said: "If we do not confess to Christ, what would we be?
"We would end up a compassionate NGO. What would happen would be like when children make sand castles and then it all falls down."

so if you are kind to the sick and poor but aren't a christian then...what?  it doesn't count?


Nope. No compassion for heathens. God is REALLY picky.
 
2013-03-14 04:42:39 PM
I guess he's putting the "ass" back into compassion.
 
2013-03-14 04:43:01 PM
CSB:
I learned there was a new pope while I was attending a Bad Religion concert last night.
 
2013-03-14 04:44:19 PM

RodneyToady: Weaver95: so if you are kind to the sick and poor but aren't a christian then...what? it doesn't count?

I vaguely remember from Catholic school that if you're not Catholic but still act in ways that are Christ-like, you can get into heaven.  It's possible that it's only the case for people who are baptized, though, I don't remember.  Good deeds gets you part of the way there.

For some other Christian branches, good deeds don't mean shiat... you've either accepted Christ as your savior, or you're going to hell.


Doesn't Purgatory factor into that somehow as well? If you're not a True Catholic but are still a good person, you just have to hang out in Heaven's waiting area for a few thousand years?
 
2013-03-14 04:45:07 PM

factoryconnection: Not that there was much in the way of details, but it seems like he's saying that without their faith and devotion to God, all that is left is the compassion you'd find in any other service-based NGO, not that they'd be in danger of becoming compassionate.  As a church, they're supposed to be more than that.

But there is definitely compassion in spades for the poor in the Catholic Church: Catholic Charities, Catholic Relief Services, Cross Catholic Outreach, the Saint Vincent de Paul society, etc...  it isn't all fighting against gay marriage/adoption and contraception.



And what about the autobahn and VW, eh?  I mean... COME ON!  It's not all child-rape and money laundering all of the time!
 
2013-03-14 04:47:50 PM
Subby's reading comprehension sucks.
 
2013-03-14 04:47:50 PM

bourbonslurp: CSB:
I learned there was a new pope while I was attending a Bad Religion concert last night.


They were totally off the mark with "10 in 2010". =/ I just don't know if I can trust them anymore.
 
2013-03-14 04:48:01 PM
He packed his bags and then he went to pay the bill for his room so as to set a good example

Is it customary for popes to stiff hotels on the bill for their stay normally?

He also broke tradition by remaining standing to receive cardinals' acts of homage after his election, instead of sitting in the papal throne

Praise Jebus, a miracle. Quick, raise him to sainthood.
 
2013-03-14 04:48:12 PM
SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT THE FARK IS AN "NGO"


*clap* *clap* NGO
*clap* *clap* NGO
*clap* *clap* NGO
And Bingo was his name-o
 
2013-03-14 04:50:26 PM

algrant33: SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT THE FARK IS AN "NGO"


*clap* *clap* NGO
*clap* *clap* NGO
*clap* *clap* NGO
And Bingo was his name-o


Non-governmental organization, which, by its strict definition, is the Church already.
 
2013-03-14 04:50:42 PM
I hope this doesnt mean spooning after molestation.
 
2013-03-14 04:51:10 PM

algrant33: SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT THE FARK IS AN "NGO"


*clap* *clap* NGO
*clap* *clap* NGO
*clap* *clap* NGO
And Bingo was his name-o


Non-governmental organization
 
2013-03-14 04:52:16 PM
I just got my nipples pierced today.
 
2013-03-14 04:52:57 PM

Matthew Keene: I just got my nipples pierced today.


CSB, what's next?
 
2013-03-14 04:53:40 PM

lucksi: He packed his bags and then he went to pay the bill for his room so as to set a good example

Is it customary for popes Catholics to stiff hotels on the bill for their stay normally?


/FTFY
 
2013-03-14 04:55:05 PM

Dr_Gene: lucksi: He packed his bags and then he went to pay the bill for his room so as to set a good example

Is it customary for popes Catholics to stiff hotels on the bill for their stay normally?

/FTFY


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2013-03-14 04:56:16 PM
Algrant33

Non-governmental organization:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-governmental_organization
 
2013-03-14 04:56:31 PM
The news commentary is really annoying.

Everyone is writing, "Clearly all indications are that the new pope will implement my ideal agenda for the church".
 
2013-03-14 04:56:36 PM

CygnusDarius: algrant33: SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT THE FARK IS AN "NGO"


*clap* *clap* NGO
*clap* *clap* NGO
*clap* *clap* NGO
And Bingo was his name-o

Non-governmental organization, which, by its strict definition, is the Church already.


New Pope seemed to use an intellectual argument.  I suppose a Jesuit would do that.  Generally I think the term NGO is more commonly used internationally but still has the same meaning.

/Prefers Pope Classic (the JPaul ii )
 
2013-03-14 04:56:55 PM

factoryconnection: Not that there was much in the way of details, but it seems like he's saying that without their faith and devotion to God, all that is left is the compassion you'd find in any other service-based NGO, not that they'd be in danger of becoming compassionate.  As a church, they're supposed to be more than that.

But there is definitely compassion in spades for the poor in the Catholic Church: Catholic Charities, Catholic Relief Services, Cross Catholic Outreach, the Saint Vincent de Paul society, etc...  it isn't all fighting against gay marriage/adoption and contraception.


yes, but then subby wouldn't have gotten a green submission without his trollish headline
 
2013-03-14 05:00:02 PM

factoryconnection: But there is definitely compassion in spades for the poor in the Catholic Church: Catholic Charities, Catholic Relief Services, Cross Catholic Outreach, the Saint Vincent de Paul society, etc...  it isn't all fighting against gay marriage/adoption and contraception.


OH no. there's rape of children, and starvation because people are encouraged to breed, but not to get a good education and find a good job. Just breed kids, because they like kids. Breed them so they starve.
The greatest weapon of any political empire is controlling the food.
If you tell people to breed like that you are playing to the bad guys.
 
2013-03-14 05:00:14 PM

RodneyToady: Good deeds gets you part of the way there.


That, folks, is what we call heresy.
 
2013-03-14 05:00:33 PM
It's almost like the man is saying that providing help without structure, especially in very poor areas, doesn't help the people out of poverty it only eases the pain of poverty.
 
2013-03-14 05:04:28 PM

WTF Indeed: it only eases the pain of poverty.


I need a sugar daddy to pay my internet bill, and buy me some nose candy.
 
2013-03-14 05:05:23 PM

WTF Indeed: It's almost like the man is saying that providing help without structure, especially in very poor areas, doesn't help the people out of poverty it only eases the pain of poverty.


Kind of like Obamacare.  It won't cure the common cold, it'll just treat the symptoms.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-14 05:06:09 PM

factoryconnection: Not that there was much in the way of details, but it seems like he's saying that without their faith and devotion to God, all that is left is the compassion you'd find in any other service-based NGO, not that they'd be in danger of becoming compassionate.  As a church, they're supposed to be more than that.

But there is definitely compassion in spades for the poor in the Catholic Church: Catholic Charities, Catholic Relief Services, Cross Catholic Outreach, the Saint Vincent de Paul society, etc...  it isn't all fighting against gay marriage/adoption and contraception.


No, but much of it is, and most NGOs have all the compassion without the hate.
 
2013-03-14 05:06:11 PM
Mock the Catholic Church for its antiquated views on sexuality, contraception and the role of women with a history of coverups of pedophile priests, perhaps, but it's really wrong not to call it a compassionate organization.

The Catholic church, through its many charities and NGOs, do a lot of good in the world in providing for the poor and hungry. Unlike some of its evangelical Protestant cousins, the Catholic Church holds social justice as a goal and a virtue. Unlike the megachurches in the States where the whole point of the church is so you can send it money.
 
2013-03-14 05:07:32 PM
At least the church was able to distance themselves from the murky "Nazi" connection.

So, where's this guy from?

oh.... Argentina....
 
2013-03-14 05:08:44 PM

RexTalionis: Mock the Catholic Church for its antiquated views on sexuality, contraception and the role of women with a history of coverups of pedophile priests, perhaps, but it's really wrong not to call it a compassionate organization.

The Catholic church, through its many charities and NGOs, do a lot of good in the world in providing for the poor and hungry. Unlike some of its evangelical Protestant cousins, the Catholic Church holds social justice as a goal and a virtue. Unlike the megachurches in the States where the whole point of the church is so you can send it money.


Jesus can't help you buy that McMansion if you don't send money.
 
2013-03-14 05:09:40 PM

RexTalionis: Unlike the megachurches in the States where the whole point of the church is so you can send it money.


And you think they don't get mocked, either?

I'd pay a church not to molest children, though, if that's what it took.  As it is, the Catholic Church is one of the richest in the world, with untold treasures that you won't be able to pry out o fits cold, dead hands.  It's a government, not a religion.  And doing some good things in no way excuses the ongoing atrocities in which it is complicit.
 
2013-03-14 05:09:47 PM

WTF Indeed: It's almost like the man is saying that providing help without structure, especially in very poor areas, doesn't help the people out of poverty it only eases the pain of poverty.

Exactly.  What's the good of feeding the starving people in Africa if we don't try to convert them at the same time?  If you don't convert them, they'll just get hungry again later!
Also, if they're hungry enough, they'll agree to worship a Nike sneaker if you offer them some rice.
 
2013-03-14 05:09:49 PM

factoryconnection: But there is definitely compassion in spades for the poor in the Catholic Church: Catholic Charities, Catholic Relief Services, Cross Catholic Outreach, the Saint Vincent de Paul society, etc...  it isn't all fighting against gay marriage/adoption and contraception.


And no altar boy ever lacks for something to eat, if you know what I mean.

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2013-03-14 05:10:27 PM

vpb: No, but much of it is, and most NGOs have all the compassion without the hate.


Whom does the Church "hate"?
 
2013-03-14 05:13:30 PM

jayhawk88: Doesn't Purgatory factor into that somehow as well? If you're not a True Catholic but are still a good person, you just have to hang out in Heaven's waiting area for a few thousand years?


Yes, but I've also heard from Catholics that time doesn't operate the same way in the afterlife as it does on earth.  So I don't know how the math works.  If a thousand purgatory years is the equivalent of a million earth years, it sucks.  If it's the equivalent of a thousand seconds, then it's not so bad.  Plus, either way, you're supposed to go to heaven afterwards for eternity.

I went through 18 years of Catholic education (K-Masters degree), and I think I declared my agnosticism at around age 10, because too much of the logic struck me as half-baked.

For me, the question comes down to "If there is a God, regardless of our belief or lack of belief in him or his faith systems, how much of a dick is he?"  And for most religions, he's a dick to nonbelievers.  And my thinking is, if you're an omniscient, omnipotent being, there's no need to be a dick.
 
2013-03-14 05:15:03 PM

RexTalionis: the whole point of the church is so you can send it money.


The Good Lord told me that there was someone in radio land whose daughter was in trouble. Is your daughter in trouble? The Almighty said it could be taken care of. Simply send a hundred dollars. If you ain't got it, hock something. But get it, and send it.

totally ripped off from Hudson & Landry Friar Shuck skit
 
2013-03-14 05:15:49 PM
If we do not confess to Christ, what would we be?

Free?
 
2013-03-14 05:17:50 PM

jayhawk88: Doesn't Purgatory factor into that somehow as well? If you're not a True Catholic but are still a good person, you just have to hang out in Heaven's waiting area for a few thousand years?


Virtuous pagans are said to go to Limbo, which you don't get out of.  Purgatory is different.  Note however that my info is fourth-hand (or so) via Pournelle and Niven.
 
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