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(CNN)   The new pope, a humble man of the people, just received a new $565,000 magic car   (cnn.com) divider line 65
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2013-03-14 11:14:52 AM
6 votes:
Does subby complain of the price for the presidential limo too?
2013-03-14 11:06:14 AM
6 votes:
When you got a bunch of nut bars gunning for you, a $500k bullet-proof car might be in order.

/not sure why it has to be $500k, but eh.
2013-03-14 11:47:51 AM
5 votes:

vpb: Robert1966: WTF Indeed: Catholic haters are in for a shock when they realize what the Jesuits are all about.

Yeah, after they do a little research and consider its implications, I'm sure their opinions will change. Despite never having done that about anything before, ever.

Yes, the Jesuits are wonderful.


Wow in 500 years of existence there has been some controversy - that freaking changes EVERYTHING!

If we had to create a new group name for every organization that ever had a single member commit a crime or otherwise fail to be a 100% perfect human being we'd be forced to name groups the way we do stars because we would have used up every word in every language on the planet by now.

"Hello, my name is Fred, I belong to the Order of A2012E9G12"

Remember kids, once you make a single mistake you and everyone you ever associated with is, by extension, guilty till the end of time.  Please try to be perfect.
2013-03-14 11:43:37 AM
5 votes:

Walker: fickenchucker: Subby is a dickhead.

Unless he's willing to throw his monkey shiat back on our famous leaders and expect Obama to tool around in a standard-issue Malibu.  But I think not.

/Did I mention subby is a dickhead?

You mad bro?


Yeah.  When anyone makes up something to complain about it pisses me off.  Right-wing, left-wing, it doesn't matter.  The world has enough to complain about that has a legitimate foundation of hypocrisy or unfairness.  Making crap up and advertising one's stupidity irritates me.  It reminds me subby is most likely old enough to vote and breed, which saddens me.
2013-03-14 11:36:18 AM
5 votes:

MyRandomName: Does subby complain of the price for the presidential limo too?


At least the pope's car is payed for with money voluntarily donated by the faithful. The presidential limo is payed for with money seized at gunpoint. Don't pay your taxes and don't show up for court -- you'll see what I'm talking about.
2013-03-14 11:19:04 AM
5 votes:
The Pope is the head of a sovereign nation and represents a billion people. He lives in a city that is effectively one huge golden artifact. He's going to have some fancy stuff.
2013-03-14 01:40:57 PM
4 votes:

Jim_Callahan: To be fair, the car is an admission that god is not all-powerful, so it actually does undermine Christian theology pretty thoroughly.


Christ was assassinated. What makes you think a Pope would be immune?
2013-03-14 11:32:41 AM
4 votes:

OddLlama: xanadian: When you got a bunch of nut bars gunning for you, a $500k bullet-proof car might be in order.

/not sure why it has to be $500k, but eh.

God will protect him. Right?


God is protecting him. God made sure he got a bullet proof car.
2013-03-14 11:06:34 AM
4 votes:
Subby must be a Protestant.
2013-03-14 01:22:26 PM
3 votes:

vpb: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

It wouldn't be for someone who doesn't believe in miracles or that the Pope is the Vicar of God on earth.  It's pretty good evidence that the people who claim to believe in those things don't believe in them all that much.


I'm glad you're here to tell all the Catholics what it is we believe.  You see, all this time, I had been under the impression that all us Catholics recognized that the Pope is still a mere mortal, a man, and like all men, can  and will eventually die.  But, you go ahead with that.
2013-03-14 12:13:19 PM
3 votes:

vpb: When anyone makes up something to complain about it


Nabb1: When anyone makes up something to complain about



The key words are above.  I'm all for highlighting errors, wrongdoings, and just plain bad judgement calls by the Catholic Church or any other entity.  But even joking that the Pope doesn't need an armored vehicle is just plain dumb.
2013-03-14 11:34:17 AM
3 votes:
Subby is a dickhead.

Unless he's willing to throw his monkey shiat back on our famous leaders and expect Obama to tool around in a standard-issue Malibu.  But I think not.

/Did I mention subby is a dickhead?
2013-03-14 11:30:12 AM
3 votes:

Raharu: MyRandomName: Does subby complain of the price for the presidential limo too?


The President (at least this one, unlike the last guy) doesn't claim to have a direct communication line to god.


I don't think the new guy is exactly ecstatic about all this.  People are making it sound like he was given the Vatican checkbook and tooled himself right down to the Bugatti dealership.  He prefers the bus.  Security prefers to not have a heart attack.  Somewhere in the middle, they're going to sort it out.

/not catholic
//not looking for ginned up excuses to shiatfit either.
2013-03-14 11:22:47 AM
3 votes:
can't help but noting that according to the article he already turned it down at least once...
2013-03-14 11:22:09 AM
3 votes:

MyRandomName: Does subby complain of the price for the presidential limo too?


mccallcl: The Pope is the head of a sovereign nation and represents a billion people. He lives in a city that is effectively one huge golden artifact. He's going to have some fancy stuff.


This.

subby, this headline is bad and you should feel bad

/former Catholic
//newly purchased bling/accroutrements (coughredpradascough) is stupid and suspicious; the effing Popemobile not so much
2013-03-14 11:18:28 AM
3 votes:
The bullets are real. Your God is not.

bp3.blogger.com
2013-03-14 11:16:15 AM
3 votes:
Probably recieves more death threats than a black president.

Armored vehicles designed to protect the occupant are expensive.
2013-03-14 10:58:28 AM
3 votes:
What the f**k is he supposed to toot around on - an old upright bike?
2013-03-14 10:57:54 AM
3 votes:
Yeah, they're not going to let him keep taking the bus to work.
2013-03-14 02:15:21 PM
2 votes:

Raharu: MyRandomName: Does subby complain of the price for the presidential limo too?


The President (at least this one, unlike the last guy) doesn't claim to have a direct communication line to god.


Has the catholic church ever put forth a doctrine that god provides the pope a bulletproof vest?

Your argument is retarded.
2013-03-14 02:14:51 PM
2 votes:

Farking Canuck: vpb: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

It wouldn't be for someone who doesn't believe in miracles or that the Pope is the Vicar of God on earth.  It's pretty good evidence that the people who claim to believe in those things don't believe in them all that much.

Yeah. Nobody is claiming that this is evidence of the lack of the divine.

It is evidence of a lack of faith from the people who claim the divine is real. They should have faith that god will protect them or that, if their time comes, god will take them up into heaven. Why spend all this money trying to thwart god's plans ... and what kind of faith do you have if you expect to be successful.


Yeah but there's also that whole "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord they God" thing in the gospels. To me, that means that you should trust God (if you believe in him, that is) to protect you but daring him to do so by doing something stupid might not be a good idea. There are plenty of people on this planet who would love to snipe a Pope, I'm sure. And for him to just walk around without some sort of physical protection might be construed as tempting God. I don't know. That's just my take on it.
2013-03-14 01:30:28 PM
2 votes:

Farking Canuck: vpb: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

It wouldn't be for someone who doesn't believe in miracles or that the Pope is the Vicar of God on earth.  It's pretty good evidence that the people who claim to believe in those things don't believe in them all that much.

Yeah. Nobody is claiming that this is evidence of the lack of the divine.

It is evidence of a lack of faith from the people who claim the divine is real. They should have faith that god will protect them or that, if their time comes, god will take them up into heaven. Why spend all this money trying to thwart god's plans ... and what kind of faith do you have if you expect to be successful.


That is the most backward retarded "logic" I have ever seen - we exist in a real world with real things.  Claiming that the faithful shouldn't need to eat food because, if they really believed, then God would miracle the food into them or preserve them without the need for food is not all that far from what you've just claiming to be rock solid proof that they don't actually believe.
2013-03-14 01:18:34 PM
2 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

To be fair, the car is an admission that god is not all-powerful, so it actually does undermine Christian theology pretty thoroughly.


No it doesn't. It is a pretty well accepted tenet of Christianity that god created mankind with free will. Remember Adam and Eve? God cast them out of paradise because they chose to disobey him. Likewise, you can choose to reject Christ and go to hell.

I realize there are a lot of logical incongruities between free will of man and omnipotence of god. But there is no question that mankind having free will -- being able to choose whether or not to sin, or in this case whether or not to kill -- is a pillar of Christian thought.
2013-03-14 01:16:49 PM
2 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

To be fair, the car is an admission that god is not all-powerful, so it actually does undermine Christian theology pretty thoroughly.


I don't recall it every being part of Christian theology that there were any guarantees one would assuredly avoid an untimely death through a belief in God.  Even for Popes.  But, if that's working for you, stick with it.
2013-03-14 01:13:26 PM
2 votes:
And New York's archbishop just said on the Today Show this morning that Pope Francis took a bus back to the hotel with the rest of the cardinals instead of taking a private limo. You fail, subby.
2013-03-14 11:31:24 AM
2 votes:

Rev. Skarekroe: Yeah, they're not going to let him keep taking the bus to work.


that's the thing.  if he wasn't trying to dodge wingnuts trying to take him out now, he probably still would try to take the bus to work.
2013-03-14 11:30:38 AM
2 votes:
Boy an event like this brings all the trolls out from under their rocks....
2013-03-14 11:27:35 AM
2 votes:
Wait. You mean heads of state ride around in vehicles with lots of expensive security extras?  When did this start happening?  I gotta crawl out from under my rock more often.
2013-03-14 11:23:12 AM
2 votes:

OddLlama: God will protect him. Right?


He is. Who do you think gave man the ability to think about things like designing vehicles that can stop a bullet or bomb from injuring the vehicles occupants?
2013-03-14 11:20:21 AM
2 votes:
seems like that money (along with the billions the church keeps in it's little hide-away accounts could be better spent, you know... helping the people that fall for their little stories.

it's just like george carlin said -- god is all knowing, all poweful, but he's TERRIBLE with money.
2013-03-14 11:15:22 AM
2 votes:
Catholic haters are in for a shock when they realize what the Jesuits are all about.
2013-03-14 11:14:48 AM
2 votes:
He should sell it and then that would fix all the poor peoples' problems.
2013-03-14 10:53:46 AM
2 votes:
They see him popin', they be hatin'
2013-03-14 05:53:50 PM
1 votes:

God-is-a-Taco: If I was God and I needed a mouthpiece down on the planet I'd protect them at least a little bit.
He doesn't have to be immortal, but at least give him some force fields or telekinetic powers.


Your main fallacy here is assuming that Catholicism has anything to do with faith.  Catholicism is simply the remnant of an early government, the traditions of which are worshiped as thoroughly as protestants worship God.

However, for such an enlightened person, it seems odd that you can't grasp the fact that the New Covenant is vastly different from the Old.  According to Christianity, God sent Jesus, and from then on out does not directly intervene in the world, except through Christians.  In other words, he won't cause plagues, and he won't burn bushes, but Christians carry out his will, to the extent that they are able (or certainly willing).

You also make the mistake, as many do, in believing that that religious people should be perfect people, and fault Christianity for the actions of Christians.

No religion can withstand the scrutiny of being judged by the people who practice it.  We're all pretty farked up.
2013-03-14 04:44:25 PM
1 votes:
People need to chill with the Jesuit thing. They're quickly turning into catholic ninjas who invented the question mark. They're marginally less derpy than the rest of the papists, that's it.
2013-03-14 03:30:29 PM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

To be fair, the car is an admission that god is not all-powerful, so it actually does undermine Christian theology pretty thoroughly.

Not that you get a medal for that or anything, undermining Christianity by pointing out the Theodicy problem isn't really new or exciting, it was logically invalidated centuries before Christianity was even a thing when a Greek philosopher pointed it out with regards to a similar local monotheistic cult.

Yes, that's right, even the people that thought their gods were a bunch of drunk idiots obsessed with sex and petty vengeance conclusively logically proved that their religion made more sense than yours.  Eat it, Catholics.


I'm not a theist or a theologian, but I remember something about free will and what not, so pointing out that someone might shoot the pope isn't really invalidating their version of a god. Cherry picking through the entirety of human existence to come up with a reason to mock Catholics is pretty weak also.
They diddle little boys...should be enough.
As far as the guy in the sky stuff, if it gives someone so far down in a pile of shiat that it hurts, a reason to get up tomorrow, then fine, believe away. It doesn't bother me.
Most of the people that claim to be religious in the political arena, however, are just using it to claim power by some perceived authority, a logical fallacy. They are the scum, not the belief or the believer.
He is a head of state that obviously has a lot of anger directed at it; as evidenced by the comments in this thread. With that much hate, someone somewhere is inevitably going to be convinced that if she or he kills the pope, all the world's problems will be solved.
Let the crazy hat dude have his car, besides it's used anyway.
Get mad at real things that are farking up your life and do something about it.
2013-03-14 03:26:04 PM
1 votes:

CygnusDarius: I think the most important issue here is this: The guy is suspected (or known) to have been playing along with the Argentinian military regime, and did not say a word when two fellow Jesuits were arrested by the secret police.

But then again, the last guy also had some issues, and it's hard to go beyond the hype of John Paul II.


Also equally of suspected of risking his neck personally to get those priests returned alive by confronting the dictator in his private chambers over the issue
2013-03-14 02:48:25 PM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: To be fair, the car is an admission that god is not all-powerful, so it actually does undermine Christian theology pretty thoroughly.


The mere fact that any being is omnipotent doesn't mean said entity will intervene in whatever way is necessary for your religion-bashing argument to hold water.
2013-03-14 02:28:58 PM
1 votes:

TerminalEchoes: Yeah but there's also that whole "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord they God" thing in the gospels. To me, that means that you should trust God (if you believe in him, that is) to protect you but daring him to do so by doing something stupid might not be a good idea. There are plenty of people on this planet who would love to snipe a Pope, I'm sure. And for him to just walk around without some sort of physical protection might be construed as tempting God. I don't know. That's just my take on it.


So, god is more like the Harbinger, from Mass Effect?

/Assuming direct control.../

Funny how god was never personally responsible for knowingly allowing an agent of evil access to paradise, but two innocent children, (who had no knowledge of good and evil,) were evidently held to a higher standard than god even held his own all-knowing ass to. And we all got punished for it.

i12.photobucket.com
2013-03-14 01:49:53 PM
1 votes:
www.smbc-comics.com
2013-03-14 01:48:30 PM
1 votes:
meanwhile, the Obama family takes trips using two jets and probably fighter escorts.
2013-03-14 01:46:07 PM
1 votes:

OddLlama: xanadian: When you got a bunch of nut bars gunning for you, a $500k bullet-proof car might be in order.

/not sure why it has to be $500k, but eh.

God will protect him. Right?


The Russians have an old proverb: "Trusts God, but ehhhs don't bes idiot."
2013-03-14 01:32:21 PM
1 votes:
My guess is Subby is one of the same people who think its hypocritical that the president's family gets Secret Service protection. Because nothing that exists past the tip of his nose makes any sense.
2013-03-14 01:32:19 PM
1 votes:

vpb: Nabb1: I don't recall it every being part of Christian theology that there were any guarantees one would assuredly avoid an untimely death through a belief in God.  Even for Popes.  But, if that's working for you, stick with it.

Actually the belief that God will protect the faithful from danger is pretty common in Christianity, as is the idea that everything is a part of Gods plan.

Maybe the Pope is afraid that God might want him dead?  If I was fighting against contraception despite all the human suffering overpopulation and unplaned pregnancies cause I would be worried about God being pissed at me.

Of course, commoners should just accept that whatever happens to them is God's will, even though that's not good enough for the church nobility right?


You certainly seem to have a lot of anger and hostility towards people whose faith is different from your own beliefs.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-14 01:28:23 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: I don't recall it every being part of Christian theology that there were any guarantees one would assuredly avoid an untimely death through a belief in God.  Even for Popes.  But, if that's working for you, stick with it.


Actually the belief that God will protect the faithful from danger is pretty common in Christianity, as is the idea that everything is a part of Gods plan.

Maybe the Pope is afraid that God might want him dead?  If I was fighting against contraception despite all the human suffering overpopulation and unplaned pregnancies cause I would be worried about God being pissed at me.

Of course, commoners should just accept that whatever happens to them is God's will, even though that's not good enough for the church nobility right?
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-14 01:14:22 PM
1 votes:
sethen320:

Seriously? You're not even going to attempt an actual argument or discussion? I thought he had a good point.

About what?  The purpose of Fark?
2013-03-14 12:35:54 PM
1 votes:
There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.
2013-03-14 12:30:36 PM
1 votes:
FTA: One of the first questions many people ask when they start a new job is: what type of car will I get?

I've had many jobs in my life, some low paying, some not.  I've never once asked this.  I'm sure I'm not alone.  With that in mind I think the use of the word many here is inappropriate.
2013-03-14 12:14:29 PM
1 votes:

Precision Boobery: Thanks for helping us design that car to protect me from those weapons you helped us design!



Oh, shut it! I just gave you the know-how, not the intent. Whatever you sods do with what you learn is not my bloody problem! Every time I try to talk to someone it's "sorry this" and "forgive me that" and "I'm not worthy"...

gretachristina.typepad.com
2013-03-14 12:07:16 PM
1 votes:

fickenchucker: Unless he's willing to throw his monkey shiat back on our famous leaders and expect Obama to tool around in a standard-issue Malibu. But I think not.


Though some on this site might disagree, I don't remember Obama claiming to be the infallible Earthly representative of an omnipotent being.  That's quite a masher to have in your corner to be afraid of puny secular slings and arrows.  It's rather similar to the devout going into hysterics when they think their lives are in real danger, or praying for the god to remove a terminal illness.  When they get down to where the cheese binds, there isn't a lot of real faith on display.

Giltric: OddLlama: God will protect him. Right?

He is. Who do you think gave man the ability to think about things like designing vehicles that can stop a bullet or bomb from injuring the vehicles occupants?


Thanks for helping us design that car to protect me from those weapons you helped us design!

media.comicvine.com
2013-03-14 11:53:00 AM
1 votes:

vpb: Or at least stop being evil?


lh5.googleusercontent.com
2013-03-14 11:46:23 AM
1 votes:

vpb: Robert1966: WTF Indeed: Catholic haters are in for a shock when they realize what the Jesuits are all about.

Yeah, after they do a little research and consider its implications, I'm sure their opinions will change. Despite never having done that about anything before, ever.

Yes, the Jesuits are wonderful.


Man, those 16th Century Jesuits were assholes.
2013-03-14 11:38:21 AM
1 votes:
Wake me up when he brings back the Holy Crusades.
2013-03-14 11:37:33 AM
1 votes:
Yeah when two of the previous three predecessors are shot in office, security tends to happen.  Add in that it needs to be capable of presenting a state leader who averages 70 for six hour parades, give him a little break.
2013-03-14 11:32:24 AM
1 votes:

SlothB77: Rev. Skarekroe: Yeah, they're not going to let him keep taking the bus to work.

that's the thing.  if he wasn't trying to dodge wingnuts trying to take him out now, he probably still would try to take the bus to work.


This.
2013-03-14 11:28:42 AM
1 votes:
And not a fark was given that day.

/by me
//oatmeal's done, time for second breakfast
2013-03-14 11:22:59 AM
1 votes:

xanadian: When you got a bunch of nut bars gunning for you, a $500k bullet-proof car might be in order.

/not sure why it has to be $500k, but eh.


Yup, a bullet proof car is in order.

Why? Because bullets are real.
2013-03-14 11:21:09 AM
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: Catholic haters are in for a shock when they realize what the Jesuits are all about.


Yeah, after they do a little research and consider its implications, I'm sure their opinions will change. Despite never having done that about anything before, ever.
2013-03-14 11:20:28 AM
1 votes:
Jeez, subby.  Would you rather he ride in a 1961 Lincoln Model 74A convertible?
2013-03-14 11:18:10 AM
1 votes:

OddLlama: xanadian: When you got a bunch of nut bars gunning for you, a $500k bullet-proof car might be in order.

/not sure why it has to be $500k, but eh.

God will protect him. Right?


God helps those who help themselves. It'll look like it's the armor stopping the bullets, but it'll really be Jebus.
2013-03-14 11:16:52 AM
1 votes:
When death threats you receive, humble you may not so be
2013-03-14 11:15:04 AM
1 votes:
Batman is unimpressed.
2013-03-14 11:10:33 AM
1 votes:
Would you rather they resume carrying him around on that chair?
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-14 11:05:05 AM
1 votes:
I think he needs something more compact and portable.

www.tonecartoons.co.uk
2013-03-14 10:38:27 AM
1 votes:
When John Paul died in 2005, this Popemobile was put on display in a Philippine church and became a pilgrimage destination for the country's Catholics who couldn't afford to go to the Vatican for the burial ceremony. It's probably the only time a car built in the Philippines has ever been worshipped.

lulz
 
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