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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-14 01:12:57 PM

fickenchucker: vpb: When anyone makes up something to complain about it

Nabb1: When anyone makes up something to complain about


The key words are above.  I'm all for highlighting errors, wrongdoings, and just plain bad judgement calls by the Catholic Church or any other entity.  But even joking that the Pope doesn't need an armored vehicle is just plain dumb.


Either that or they believe in a god that will protect them.
 
2013-03-14 01:13:26 PM
And New York's archbishop just said on the Today Show this morning that Pope Francis took a bus back to the hotel with the rest of the cardinals instead of taking a private limo. You fail, subby.
 
2013-03-14 01:13:26 PM

vpb: I think he needs something more compact and portable.


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PONTIFICATE! PONTIFICATE! PONTIFICATE!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-14 01:14:22 PM
sethen320:

Seriously? You're not even going to attempt an actual argument or discussion? I thought he had a good point.

About what?  The purpose of Fark?
 
2013-03-14 01:16:49 PM

Jim_Callahan: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

To be fair, the car is an admission that god is not all-powerful, so it actually does undermine Christian theology pretty thoroughly.


I don't recall it every being part of Christian theology that there were any guarantees one would assuredly avoid an untimely death through a belief in God.  Even for Popes.  But, if that's working for you, stick with it.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-14 01:17:44 PM

Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.


It wouldn't be for someone who doesn't believe in miracles or that the Pope is the Vicar of God on earth.  It's pretty good evidence that the people who claim to believe in those things don't believe in them all that much.
 
2013-03-14 01:18:34 PM

Jim_Callahan: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

To be fair, the car is an admission that god is not all-powerful, so it actually does undermine Christian theology pretty thoroughly.


No it doesn't. It is a pretty well accepted tenet of Christianity that god created mankind with free will. Remember Adam and Eve? God cast them out of paradise because they chose to disobey him. Likewise, you can choose to reject Christ and go to hell.

I realize there are a lot of logical incongruities between free will of man and omnipotence of god. But there is no question that mankind having free will -- being able to choose whether or not to sin, or in this case whether or not to kill -- is a pillar of Christian thought.
 
2013-03-14 01:22:26 PM

vpb: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

It wouldn't be for someone who doesn't believe in miracles or that the Pope is the Vicar of God on earth.  It's pretty good evidence that the people who claim to believe in those things don't believe in them all that much.


I'm glad you're here to tell all the Catholics what it is we believe.  You see, all this time, I had been under the impression that all us Catholics recognized that the Pope is still a mere mortal, a man, and like all men, can  and will eventually die.  But, you go ahead with that.
 
2013-03-14 01:23:07 PM

gilgigamesh: But there is no question that mankind having free will -- being able to choose whether or not to sin, or in this case whether or not to kill -- is a pillar of Christian thought.


And a kick-ass Rush song.
 
2013-03-14 01:23:08 PM

vpb: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

It wouldn't be for someone who doesn't believe in miracles or that the Pope is the Vicar of God on earth.  It's pretty good evidence that the people who claim to believe in those things don't believe in them all that much.


Yeah. Nobody is claiming that this is evidence of the lack of the divine.

It is evidence of a lack of faith from the people who claim the divine is real. They should have faith that god will protect them or that, if their time comes, god will take them up into heaven. Why spend all this money trying to thwart god's plans ... and what kind of faith do you have if you expect to be successful.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-14 01:28:23 PM

Nabb1: I don't recall it every being part of Christian theology that there were any guarantees one would assuredly avoid an untimely death through a belief in God.  Even for Popes.  But, if that's working for you, stick with it.


Actually the belief that God will protect the faithful from danger is pretty common in Christianity, as is the idea that everything is a part of Gods plan.

Maybe the Pope is afraid that God might want him dead?  If I was fighting against contraception despite all the human suffering overpopulation and unplaned pregnancies cause I would be worried about God being pissed at me.

Of course, commoners should just accept that whatever happens to them is God's will, even though that's not good enough for the church nobility right?
 
2013-03-14 01:29:13 PM
Subby's mom helped pay for it herself.  I gave her a few bucks.
 
2013-03-14 01:30:28 PM

Farking Canuck: vpb: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

It wouldn't be for someone who doesn't believe in miracles or that the Pope is the Vicar of God on earth.  It's pretty good evidence that the people who claim to believe in those things don't believe in them all that much.

Yeah. Nobody is claiming that this is evidence of the lack of the divine.

It is evidence of a lack of faith from the people who claim the divine is real. They should have faith that god will protect them or that, if their time comes, god will take them up into heaven. Why spend all this money trying to thwart god's plans ... and what kind of faith do you have if you expect to be successful.


That is the most backward retarded "logic" I have ever seen - we exist in a real world with real things.  Claiming that the faithful shouldn't need to eat food because, if they really believed, then God would miracle the food into them or preserve them without the need for food is not all that far from what you've just claiming to be rock solid proof that they don't actually believe.
 
2013-03-14 01:30:31 PM
He was watching a live taping of Oprah...
 
2013-03-14 01:31:22 PM

snowybunting: This is not surprising, as the pope is part of a pentavirate of the richest people in the world, along with the Queen, the Rothchilds, the Gettys, and Colonel Sanders before he went tets-up.


NightOwl2255: WTF Indeed: Man, those 16th Century Jesuits were assholes.

Are they as bad as Illinois Jesuits? Cause man, those guys are assholes!


LOL
 
2013-03-14 01:32:19 PM

vpb: Nabb1: I don't recall it every being part of Christian theology that there were any guarantees one would assuredly avoid an untimely death through a belief in God.  Even for Popes.  But, if that's working for you, stick with it.

Actually the belief that God will protect the faithful from danger is pretty common in Christianity, as is the idea that everything is a part of Gods plan.

Maybe the Pope is afraid that God might want him dead?  If I was fighting against contraception despite all the human suffering overpopulation and unplaned pregnancies cause I would be worried about God being pissed at me.

Of course, commoners should just accept that whatever happens to them is God's will, even though that's not good enough for the church nobility right?


You certainly seem to have a lot of anger and hostility towards people whose faith is different from your own beliefs.
 
2013-03-14 01:32:21 PM
My guess is Subby is one of the same people who think its hypocritical that the president's family gets Secret Service protection. Because nothing that exists past the tip of his nose makes any sense.
 
2013-03-14 01:39:35 PM
I'll cut this pope some slack over the last guy. He did refuse to move into the lavish digs his last position entitled him to.

He still holds extreme views most people disagree on, but it would be nice to see a leader who isn't opposed to the very idea of social justice.
 
2013-03-14 01:40:53 PM
we know you are protected by gods will, but just in case.
 
2013-03-14 01:40:57 PM

Jim_Callahan: To be fair, the car is an admission that god is not all-powerful, so it actually does undermine Christian theology pretty thoroughly.


Christ was assassinated. What makes you think a Pope would be immune?
 
2013-03-14 01:41:07 PM

Fizpez: That is the most backward retarded "logic" I have ever seen - we exist in a real world with real things. Claiming that the faithful shouldn't need to eat food because, if they really believed, then God would miracle the food into them or preserve them without the need for food is not all that far from what you've just claiming to be rock solid proof that they don't actually believe.


Yeah except nobody except you said "he faithful shouldn't need to eat food ". The discussion is fearing danger and death ... religions are constantly saying not to fear these things because god is watching over you, etc.

I don't recall any religion suggesting not to eat because god is magically giving you nutrition.
 
2013-03-14 01:42:37 PM

BullBearMS: I'll cut this pope some slack over the last guy. He did refuse to move into the lavish digs his last position entitled him to.

He still holds extreme views most people disagree on, but it would be nice to see a leader who isn't opposed to the very idea of social justice.


Agreed ... he seems to be a vast improvement over the Hitler Youth with a fetish for red leather, hand-made Italian shoes.
 
2013-03-14 01:44:04 PM
Headline on Jan 20th 2009:

"Negro gets free house and limo"
 
2013-03-14 01:44:15 PM

Squincher: My guess is Subby is one of the same people who think its hypocritical that the president's family gets Secret Service protection. Because nothing that exists past the tip of his nose makes any sense.

^^
THIS
 
2013-03-14 01:46:07 PM

OddLlama: xanadian: When you got a bunch of nut bars gunning for you, a $500k bullet-proof car might be in order.

/not sure why it has to be $500k, but eh.

God will protect him. Right?


The Russians have an old proverb: "Trusts God, but ehhhs don't bes idiot."
 
2013-03-14 01:48:30 PM
meanwhile, the Obama family takes trips using two jets and probably fighter escorts.
 
2013-03-14 01:49:44 PM
How many young boys can he fit in the back with him?
 
2013-03-14 01:49:53 PM
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2013-03-14 01:51:58 PM
Get down low upon your knees.
Fiddle with your rosaries.
Bow your heads in deep respect and,
Genuflect, genuflect, genuflect...

/Doin' the Vatican Raaaaaaaaag......../
 
2013-03-14 01:57:29 PM

McFifenstein: meanwhile, the Obama family takes trips using two jets and probably fighter escorts.


Yeah, WTF is that guy's problem? I miss the good old days when presidents just walked everywhere.
 
2013-03-14 02:08:04 PM

joonyer: McFifenstein: meanwhile, the Obama family takes trips using two jets and probably fighter escorts.

Yeah, WTF is that guy's problem? I miss the good old days when presidents just walked everywhere.


well, he could use a horse I guess.
or a llama.
that would be cool.

but not a bullet proof llama because no one shoots at llamas.
 
2013-03-14 02:14:51 PM

Farking Canuck: vpb: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

It wouldn't be for someone who doesn't believe in miracles or that the Pope is the Vicar of God on earth.  It's pretty good evidence that the people who claim to believe in those things don't believe in them all that much.

Yeah. Nobody is claiming that this is evidence of the lack of the divine.

It is evidence of a lack of faith from the people who claim the divine is real. They should have faith that god will protect them or that, if their time comes, god will take them up into heaven. Why spend all this money trying to thwart god's plans ... and what kind of faith do you have if you expect to be successful.


Yeah but there's also that whole "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord they God" thing in the gospels. To me, that means that you should trust God (if you believe in him, that is) to protect you but daring him to do so by doing something stupid might not be a good idea. There are plenty of people on this planet who would love to snipe a Pope, I'm sure. And for him to just walk around without some sort of physical protection might be construed as tempting God. I don't know. That's just my take on it.
 
2013-03-14 02:15:21 PM

Raharu: MyRandomName: Does subby complain of the price for the presidential limo too?


The President (at least this one, unlike the last guy) doesn't claim to have a direct communication line to god.


Has the catholic church ever put forth a doctrine that god provides the pope a bulletproof vest?

Your argument is retarded.
 
2013-03-14 02:17:02 PM

MyRandomName: Your argument is retarded.


Not really, or maybe.
The fact that this is a thing is retarded.
High profile people get high priced things.
welcome to the world.
 
2013-03-14 02:28:58 PM

TerminalEchoes: Yeah but there's also that whole "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord they God" thing in the gospels. To me, that means that you should trust God (if you believe in him, that is) to protect you but daring him to do so by doing something stupid might not be a good idea. There are plenty of people on this planet who would love to snipe a Pope, I'm sure. And for him to just walk around without some sort of physical protection might be construed as tempting God. I don't know. That's just my take on it.


So, god is more like the Harbinger, from Mass Effect?

/Assuming direct control.../

Funny how god was never personally responsible for knowingly allowing an agent of evil access to paradise, but two innocent children, (who had no knowledge of good and evil,) were evidently held to a higher standard than god even held his own all-knowing ass to. And we all got punished for it.

i12.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-14 02:38:45 PM
If I was pope:
www.haydn-automation.co.uk

"I don't care what it costs you motherfarkers, Get. It. Built! It's not like we have a shortage of worshipper money on hand. And don't forget the twin linked phased plasma cannons!"
 
2013-03-14 02:42:04 PM

Ukab the Great: The bullets are real. Your God is not.

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Came for this.
 
2013-03-14 02:42:07 PM

WalMartian: SlothB77: Rev. Skarekroe: Yeah, they're not going to let him keep taking the bus to work.

that's the thing.  if he wasn't trying to dodge wingnuts trying to take him out now, he probably still would try to take the bus to work.

This.



He works from home.

/heathens
 
2013-03-14 02:44:59 PM

This text is now purple: Jim_Callahan: To be fair, the car is an admission that god is not all-powerful, so it actually does undermine Christian theology pretty thoroughly.

Christ was assassinated. What makes you think a Pope would be immune?


But that was supposedly the plan all along. Why do the popes want to thwart the will of God?
 
2013-03-14 02:48:25 PM

Jim_Callahan: To be fair, the car is an admission that god is not all-powerful, so it actually does undermine Christian theology pretty thoroughly.


The mere fact that any being is omnipotent doesn't mean said entity will intervene in whatever way is necessary for your religion-bashing argument to hold water.
 
2013-03-14 02:55:15 PM

puppetmaster745: MyRandomName: Does subby complain of the price for the presidential limo too?

At least the pope's car is payed for with money voluntarily donated by the faithful. The presidential limo is payed for with money seized at gunpoint. Don't pay your taxes and don't show up for court -- you'll see what I'm talking about.


Or subby wrote a trolly headline to get a cheap green and you bit the hook. Maybe subby knows his fark audience and they figueed the posters would pile on?

/not subby
 
2013-03-14 02:57:58 PM
London sightseeing tour
i103.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-14 03:15:30 PM

Nabb1: vpb: Nabb1: I don't recall it every being part of Christian theology that there were any guarantees one would assuredly avoid an untimely death through a belief in God.  Even for Popes.  But, if that's working for you, stick with it.

Actually the belief that God will protect the faithful from danger is pretty common in Christianity, as is the idea that everything is a part of Gods plan.

Maybe the Pope is afraid that God might want him dead?  If I was fighting against contraception despite all the human suffering overpopulation and unplaned pregnancies cause I would be worried about God being pissed at me.

Of course, commoners should just accept that whatever happens to them is God's will, even though that's not good enough for the church nobility right?

You certainly seem to have a lot of anger and hostility towards people whose faith is different from your own beliefs.


Ad hominem does not help your argument.
 
2013-03-14 03:26:04 PM

CygnusDarius: I think the most important issue here is this: The guy is suspected (or known) to have been playing along with the Argentinian military regime, and did not say a word when two fellow Jesuits were arrested by the secret police.

But then again, the last guy also had some issues, and it's hard to go beyond the hype of John Paul II.


Also equally of suspected of risking his neck personally to get those priests returned alive by confronting the dictator in his private chambers over the issue
 
2013-03-14 03:30:29 PM

Jim_Callahan: Nabb1: There are indeed many intellectually legitimate, sound, logical, philosophical and theological arguments to be made against the existence of the Divine.  The fact that the Pope has a bullet-proof car is not one of them.

To be fair, the car is an admission that god is not all-powerful, so it actually does undermine Christian theology pretty thoroughly.

Not that you get a medal for that or anything, undermining Christianity by pointing out the Theodicy problem isn't really new or exciting, it was logically invalidated centuries before Christianity was even a thing when a Greek philosopher pointed it out with regards to a similar local monotheistic cult.

Yes, that's right, even the people that thought their gods were a bunch of drunk idiots obsessed with sex and petty vengeance conclusively logically proved that their religion made more sense than yours.  Eat it, Catholics.


I'm not a theist or a theologian, but I remember something about free will and what not, so pointing out that someone might shoot the pope isn't really invalidating their version of a god. Cherry picking through the entirety of human existence to come up with a reason to mock Catholics is pretty weak also.
They diddle little boys...should be enough.
As far as the guy in the sky stuff, if it gives someone so far down in a pile of shiat that it hurts, a reason to get up tomorrow, then fine, believe away. It doesn't bother me.
Most of the people that claim to be religious in the political arena, however, are just using it to claim power by some perceived authority, a logical fallacy. They are the scum, not the belief or the believer.
He is a head of state that obviously has a lot of anger directed at it; as evidenced by the comments in this thread. With that much hate, someone somewhere is inevitably going to be convinced that if she or he kills the pope, all the world's problems will be solved.
Let the crazy hat dude have his car, besides it's used anyway.
Get mad at real things that are farking up your life and do something about it.
 
2013-03-14 03:33:44 PM

Magorn: CygnusDarius: I think the most important issue here is this: The guy is suspected (or known) to have been playing along with the Argentinian military regime, and did not say a word when two fellow Jesuits were arrested by the secret police.

But then again, the last guy also had some issues, and it's hard to go beyond the hype of John Paul II.

Also equally of suspected of risking his neck personally to get those priests returned alive by confronting the dictator in his private chambers over the issue


Let me bite my tongue. Half-truths are worse than lies, I fear.
 
2013-03-14 03:34:54 PM
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2013-03-14 03:57:49 PM

Carousel Beast: Jim_Callahan: To be fair, the car is an admission that god is not all-powerful, so it actually does undermine Christian theology pretty thoroughly.

The mere fact that any being is omnipotent doesn't mean said entity will intervene in whatever way is necessary for your religion-bashing argument to hold water.


We've already been over this (centuries ago):

rlv.zcache.com

Ask yourself this, if god helps those that help themselves, how can one distinguish between our efforts and god's help? How does one make that distinction? Where does our effort end and god's help begin?

From an outside perspective that statement really seems to be saying if you want something done, do it yourself. But if you do it yourself, where was god's help? Was god's help actually needed?

So often we see god(s) take credit for man's accomplishments, but to be intellectually honest you must face the question that if we did it, at what point was any god helping? One must ask oneself, honestly, has there ever been any accomplishment of man that has been completely impossible without the help of any supernatural agent?

If your answer is yes, then what form did that agent's help take? What evidence of it's help do you have? At what point did human effort end and supernatural help begin? How do you distinguish that occurrence from something that was accomplished through nothing more than human effort?

A challenge: name one thing demonstrably accomplished by mankind that is or was impossible for mankind to accomplish without the help of any supernatural influence, and what empirical evidence do you have that said influence affected the outcome of the task.

Is it a touchdown in football? Is it the invention of penicillin? Is it the discovery of electricity? The invention of the phone? Splitting of the atom? The combustion engine?
 
2013-03-14 04:03:48 PM
Ask yourself this, if god helps those that help themselves, how can one distinguish between our efforts and god's help? How does one make that distinction? Where does our effort end and god's help begin?

Faith means not needing to ask your questions.
 
2013-03-14 04:07:13 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: They see him popin', they be hatin'




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