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(Huffington Post)   "Six percent of Americans believe in unicorns. Twenty four percent believe dinosaurs and man hung out together. Eighteen percent believe the sun revolves around the Earth. Nearly 30% believe cloud computing involves actual clouds"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 488
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2013-03-14 02:32:44 PM  

tripleseven: Being in IT, a few years ago, there were many people asking me "What is cloud computing?"  I would give them a short description, and within 15 seconds, could see their eyes glaze over.

Most Avg. people don't care to know.  I now just tell when asked "any storage or computation that takes place outside your computer"  and walk away quickly.

Sometimes, I'd get people who would actually argue with me, because "Their friend who is like a computer genius, told me that cloud computing was X, X, X,."  I usually held off on telling them that their friend was an idiot.


That's the Microsoft definition, and the reason everyone is confused.   And I disagree, but won't bore Fark with the reasons why, and you probably know them anyway.  My job is in building private clouds, so I know way too much.  And yet even I'm tired of the term too.

/OpenStack
//the future yo
 
2013-03-14 02:33:23 PM  
Note that the intellectual genius liberal college graduate who wrote the article provided no source information for the facts and figures he  made up spouts throughout the article. Liberal college graduates don't have to provide any evidence to support there viewpoints cause they're smarter than the rest of us. What a supercilious prick.
 
2013-03-14 02:40:25 PM  

seadoo2006: Has this thread really devolved into people defending the idea that unicorns may exist?

Yep, that's it, we're doomed ... I'm riding that missile in like Slim Pickens ... see you all in hell!


Just like vampires, werewolves, and Eskimos.
 
2013-03-14 02:43:55 PM  

halfof33: RedTank: Yes, beyond that fact.

OK, first sentence. "Six percent of Americans believe in unicorns." What is that based on? he doesn't say. A survey perhaps? Well we all know a survey doesn't work that way, because there has to be a factor for accuracy or the lack thereof taken into account. If it is plus or minus 9% as someone here suggested, then the entire conclusion is faulty, it could be as low as 0%. Therefore, any conclusion that relies on that is fallacious based on the Fallacy of Assumption.


Ok, granted I can't find anything about 6% of Americans believing in unicorns which in turn places doubt on the remaining statistics quoted.  Although I'm 100% certain that at least someone believes in Unicorns...  Regardless, in the context of this article I don't make the assumptions that only Republicans believe in unicorns, perhaps you feel like the article seems to say 37% of the population are dumb conservatives.  Maybe it does in the ad hominem manner you mentioned but that's not how I took it personally.

The article was by no means brilliant or fair but I still it spoke to me on some higher level. For me it boils down to the fact that there is a growing gap (this is something I believed before reading this) between right/wrong or logical/illogical beliefs and there is a reason that gap exists.  I'm mostly concerned that politics in America is beginning to perpetuate, manipulate, and depend upon these right/wrong or logical/illogical beliefs while potentially widening the gap at the expense of intellectual progress.
 
2013-03-14 02:50:15 PM  
i.imgur.com

I believe in alicorns.
 
2013-03-14 02:52:26 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: dittybopper: Knock off the bogus pedantry or I will be forced to shoot you with my .357 Magnum rotator.

The face of responsible gun ownership, ladies and gentlemen.



The post of an idiot, ladies and gentlemen.
 
2013-03-14 02:56:07 PM  

SquiggsIN: It keeps the rest of us distracted from the areas where D's and R's agree, and that's what we should really worry about.


Yup, that is where the worst corruption in our system exists.
 
2013-03-14 02:57:53 PM  
SquiggsIN:

just tell them that it's like SETI.

It's really funny you mentioned this, because that was what one of the people arguing with me referenced.  And by SETI, I assume you mean BOINC, which is the platform the SETI distributed computing runs on.    A whole mess of other projects run on BOINC too.  That's distributed computing, which is, yes, cloud computing.  However, not the only example.

This girl was almost arguing with me that SETI was cloud computing.  I tried explaining to her, yes, while BOINC is an example of cloud computing, it's not the only one.
She looked at me distrustingly because her "computer genius" friend had told her exactly what cloud computing is.

Shrug.
 
2013-03-14 02:58:23 PM  
were these statistics taken in a kindergarten class? unicorns and dinosaurs are hot topics for crayola projects
 
2013-03-14 03:01:27 PM  

tripleseven: SquiggsIN:

just tell them that it's like SETI.

It's really funny you mentioned this, because that was what one of the people arguing with me referenced.  And by SETI, I assume you mean BOINC, which is the platform the SETI distributed computing runs on.    A whole mess of other projects run on BOINC too.  That's distributed computing, which is, yes, cloud computing.  However, not the only example.

This girl was almost arguing with me that SETI was cloud computing.  I tried explaining to her, yes, while BOINC is an example of cloud computing, it's not the only one.
She looked at me distrustingly because her "computer genius" friend had told her exactly what cloud computing is.

Shrug.


As an aside, the same computer genius friend insisted she install firefox on her work computer.

I asked her why.

"It's safer"

Ok, well, can you give me three examples of how?

"Hur Dur..."
 
m00
2013-03-14 03:04:40 PM  

tripleseven: She looked at me distrustingly because her "computer genius" friend had told her exactly what cloud computing is.


See the real answer is "Cloud computing is the currently vogue made-up term that marketing executives use to sell COTS to clueless managers. Similar to how 'Web 2.0'  '.Net compliant' and any phrase with 'social media' or 'viral' in it was used in the past"
 
2013-03-14 03:09:02 PM  
If we don't live with dinosaurs then how did Godzilla make all of those movies?
 
2013-03-14 03:12:36 PM  

some_beer_drinker: seriously? wow, Americans are pretty retarded.


And you are surprised by this?
 
2013-03-14 03:13:23 PM  

SquiggsIN: tripleseven: tripleseven: SquiggsIN:

just tell them that it's like SETI.

It's really funny you mentioned this, because that was what one of the people arguing with me referenced.  And by SETI, I assume you mean BOINC, which is the platform the SETI distributed computing runs on.    A whole mess of other projects run on BOINC too.  That's distributed computing, which is, yes, cloud computing.  However, not the only example.

This girl was almost arguing with me that SETI was cloud computing.  I tried explaining to her, yes, while BOINC is an example of cloud computing, it's not the only one.
She looked at me distrustingly because her "computer genius" friend had told her exactly what cloud computing is.

Shrug.

As an aside, the same computer genius friend insisted she install firefox on her work computer.

I asked her why.

"It's safer"

Ok, well, can you give me three examples of how?

"Hur Dur..."

Any company with halfway decent user control would never allow you to install your own browser   :)


I work for a consulting company, and while yes, we can make recommendations, the real problem is, as an outside entity, we don't/can't make their policy.  No matter how asinine their requests, we have to kind of respect them, cause they pay the bill (within reason - see below)

I do have my own discretion, such as the time I had to refuse to open a clients network shares out to the internet so that their users could access them from home, and wouldn't need to enter any passwords or use vpns etc.
Really, I got asked to do this.  In earnest.  This particular client was a construction company, and apparently, they really hate having to use passwords.

Thankfully my company is pulling me off client sites to work on...our own cloud initiatives.
 
2013-03-14 03:17:04 PM  
durbnpoisn:
 Sorry...  I didn't take it the way you meant it.  In that respect, the guy from Harvard is correct, assuming he is referring to the southern hemisphere.

I think the point, however, is that it doesn't appear that's the way he meant it.  It's almost like he doesn't even realize that the seasons are reversed in the north and south.


You are correct. I spoke to the loose context of the post and not the context of the video, which I have searched for and watched. My snarking at you was unwarranted.
 
2013-03-14 03:18:21 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: You all are sheeple. Seriously, explain this:

[i.ytimg.com image 320x180]

/linkage:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
//(volume warning)


After that, I feel like I know how Hawking feels everyday.  Her stupidity destroyed my nervous system.
 
2013-03-14 03:19:00 PM  

Joe Blowme: One cannot be accepted as a true conservative by those who dominate American conservativism unless one is a "real Christian".  Anyone who does not accept biblical literalism is at best a "liberal Christian", i.e., no Christian at all.  Believing that everything in the Bible is literally true requires that one reject biology, geology, astronomy, genetics, anthropology, and history.  So, yeah, that doesn't leave much room for "intellectual conservatives" to exist.

Wow, another one to add to this guys list of retarded beliefs.


Why, then, does the Republican party keep packing the House Science Committee with young-Earth creationists?  The only Republican candidate for president who denied being a young-Earth creationist was Huntsman, and it proved to be political suicide.
 
m00
2013-03-14 03:21:46 PM  

tripleseven: Thankfully my company is pulling me off client sites to work on...our own cloud initiatives.


www.ricespoonandfork.com
 
m00
2013-03-14 03:23:10 PM  

Biological Ali: I was explaining to you that the people who gave the wrong answer to this question weren't using the reasoning you're describing here, and indeed meant something that is incredibly, thoroughly wrong. The people who gave the right answer, on the other hand, either did understand it perfectly while giving the right answer, or reasoned "incorrectly" in the same way that a person who completes a calculation using Newtonian values is "incorrect".

As I said before, being pedantic is one thing, but suggesting that the people who gave the wrong answers were "technically correct" in some way (or that the people who gave the right answers were wrong in some comparable way) is just silly.


Well, I am the kind of person to answer scientific-sounding questions on a survey pedantically. But my main point was that surveys/questions like that should use accurate language. Can you imagine being on the gameshow "who wants to be a millionaire" and the question is like "what is the orbit of the earth around the sun"?

a)circular
b)rhomboid
c)parabolic
d)triangular

and you KNOW the answer they are looking for is a) but it's not really correct. I dont know about you, but my head would explode.
 
2013-03-14 03:25:23 PM  
They only surveyed huffington post readers?
 
2013-03-14 03:25:50 PM  

CheekyMonkey: titwrench: No more ridiculous than believing in god or that the Earth is only 6000 years old and a whole hell of a lot more people believe that bullshiat.

YOU CANT PROVE THAT GOD DOEASNT EXIST, SO STFU JERK


You are adorable.
 
2013-03-14 03:26:14 PM  

Joe Blowme: meat0918: Joe Blowme: meat0918: Joe Blowme: Onkel Buck: This is all well and good, but now we need to concentrate on getting Dihydrogen Monoxide banned! Its all over the planet and we dont have a lot of time left!

This is my Earth day crusade, we need to let people know 7000 die per year in the US alone from Dihydrogen Monoxide. When will the EPA step up and rule it a polutant?

I've gotten more than one wannabe crunchy hippy with that one.  The last one was very pissed at me, I think in part because her husband played along.

You would not believe the numbers i get signing that petition every year for earth week. granted most are right our of high school but still. The powers that be asked me not to do it again this year, it made someone feel dumb.

I would believe you.  I almost want to go and gather signatures this year around town, just to see how many I get.

You should do it anyways.

I already have the form printed and planned on leaving it in the reception/Commons area on a clip board with a little sign.


Is there some purpose to doing this, or do you just have so much time on your hands that you have nothing better to do?

I mean, if you do something with these surveys other than just laugh at the stupid hippies, what is it? Do you do this, then point out to them what they've just signed? Or do you just chuckle to yourself and feel smug?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for exposing people to their own stupidity. But pray tell, what's the practical upshot of your particular incarnation of this prank?
 
2013-03-14 03:28:13 PM  

BalugaJoe: God is an American.


Late to the party.

I like you.
 
2013-03-14 03:28:52 PM  

Nytfall: thisisyourbrainonFark: You all are sheeple. Seriously, explain this:

[i.ytimg.com image 320x180]

/linkage:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
//(volume warning)

After that, I feel like I know how Hawking feels everyday.  Her stupidity destroyed my nervous system.


That's medication level derp right there.
 
2013-03-14 03:29:17 PM  

TheWhoppah: The effect is somewhat muted by the rise of the "cry it out" Ferberizer method of leaving infants to cry themselves to sleep. Ferberizing infants breaks their will and teaches them that they are all alone in the world and that hope is foolish. You can't trust or love anyone, even your own parents. The cry-it-out method is "sold" to frazzled moms as a way to help children sleep but that is bullshiat. Who does it really help? Mom's employer. These ferberized babies will grow into adults with serious fear and trust issues... in other words, they will be receptive to the rhetorical musings of the Republican Fear Machine.


You know how I know you've never tried the Ferber method?
 
2013-03-14 03:30:08 PM  

Tuxedocat: rufus-t-firefly: Molavian: You should see the percentage that believes in gun control.

I wonder how many think more guns = more safety.

Since we have 300 million people, and 200 million privately-owned firearms, shouldn't our murder rate be REALLY low?

I wonder what how many of those who were murdered had a firearm on them at the time, or if those murdered even owned one.


Yeah, when are families going to stop their selfish grieving and realize that it was their now deceased "victim" kin that are to blame. Why didn't they have a gun on them? Good guys with guns don't hit innocent bystanders. God wouldn't allow that.
 
2013-03-14 03:32:44 PM  

tripleseven: As an aside, the same computer genius friend insisted she install firefox on her work computer.

I asked her why.

"It's safer"

Ok, well, can you give me three examples of how?

"Hur Dur..."


Um, the last 3 IE exploits?
 
2013-03-14 03:32:53 PM  
Sh'yeah... and unicorns might fly out of my butt....
 
2013-03-14 03:35:37 PM  

pciszek: CygnusDarius: Ergo, dinosaurs were delicious, and good with raspberry and chile sauce?

Isaac Asimov wrote a short story about that.


By story, you mean cooking recipe?.
 
2013-03-14 03:35:53 PM  

fredklein: tripleseven: As an aside, the same computer genius friend insisted she install firefox on her work computer.

I asked her why.

"It's safer"

Ok, well, can you give me three examples of how?

"Hur Dur..."

Um, the last 3 IE exploits?


Versus the last three firefox vulnerabilities?
 
2013-03-14 03:36:47 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So many of these are arbitrary. There are a couple animals thought to have been the source for the unicorn. When you're dealing with two bodies moving through space without a fixed reference point, you could say either one is revolving around the other - the math is just much easier one way. And a huge chunk of internet transmission goes through satellites, meaning your cloud computing data is passing through actual clouds.


I won't argue about unicorns... but the rest of this is science, and I'll school you bit.

Two bodies in space DO have a fixed reference point, each other.  Relative motion is simple to determine, and the math only works at all if you do it correctly.  Your arbitrary reasoning is spacious at best.

The internet does not go through satellites.  Not even a little bit of it.  Please, seriously, STFU.
 
2013-03-14 03:41:51 PM  
Y'all act like Papa Bear doesn't know what he's talking about.  The tide comes in, the tide goes out - you can't explain that...lol

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/stephen-colbert-defends- pa ppa-bear-oreilly
 
2013-03-14 03:46:04 PM  

m00: Well, I am the kind of person to answer scientific-sounding questions on a survey pedantically. But my main point was that surveys/questions like that should use accurate language. Can you imagine being on the gameshow "who wants to be a millionaire" and the question is like "what is the orbit of the earth around the sun"?

a)circular
b)rhomboid
c)parabolic
d)triangular

and you KNOW the answer they are looking for is a) but it's not really correct. I dont know about you, but my head would explode.


Which is closest, within a margin for error?

Does your head also explode when you "draw a line" on a piece of paper? (Remember, lines are perfectly straight, infinite, and 1 dimensional, a pencil "line" isn't.) Face it, there is a certain... looseness... to language. "Gimme a second" doesn't mean exactly 1/60 of a minute. "Loan me a couple bucks" doesn't necessarily mean exactly 2 dollars (or male deer). And so on.

Now, one should always make sure to specify whether or not one is being literal or not. Saying "the Earth travels in a circle around the sun" is not, strictly speaking, literally true. But it is true enough for common meaning. Imagine something like this:

imgs.xkcd.com

but with "Is the Earth's orbit a triangle/square/circle?" and "It's not actually a circle, it's an ellipse! Haha!" in there instead.
 
2013-03-14 03:47:29 PM  

tripleseven: fredklein: tripleseven: As an aside, the same computer genius friend insisted she install firefox on her work computer.

I asked her why.

"It's safer"

Ok, well, can you give me three examples of how?

"Hur Dur..."

Um, the last 3 IE exploits?

Versus the last three firefox vulnerabilities?


Compare the severities and numbers of vulnerabilities between IE and FF.
 
2013-03-14 03:48:32 PM  

andrethered1: You can' t see electricity or air either, just the results, yet everyone believes in it, too.


Sight is only one of the 5 primary senses.
 
2013-03-14 03:49:25 PM  
100% of conservatives and Republicans believe that all facts or arguments that make them look bad are made up by libs and Commies.

Since no fact or argument presented by a non-Conservative non-Republican is genuine, the only person who can contradict a conservative Republican is another, more powerful Conservative Republican.

These are called RINOS. They have one or two horns. Fortunately for truthiness, the White RINO is going extinct, and the Black RINO is a completely mythical creature that no one has ever seen apart from the few examples on stage at a Republican National Convention. There is therefore no outside force that can alter the mind of Conservative Republican. Conservative Republicans thus only change their minds in those rare magical moments during which they choose to contradict themselves.

And yes, God could make a burrito so hot that even he couldn't eat it, but God is a Republican and chooses never to do such a thing except when he does. Republican conservatives believe that you should not waste food unless it could feed a poor person.
 
2013-03-14 03:49:28 PM  

tripleseven: fredklein: tripleseven: As an aside, the same computer genius friend insisted she install firefox on her work computer.

I asked her why.

"It's safer"

Ok, well, can you give me three examples of how?

"Hur Dur..."

Um, the last 3 IE exploits?

Versus the last three firefox vulnerabilities?


I'll take that bet.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html# Fi refox
4 critical problems, 1 that allows remote code execution (the actually bad part)

http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id -9 900/Microsoft-Internet-Explorer.html

I can't count that high, so you'll have to tally for your self.
 
2013-03-14 03:52:02 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Bear in mind that a  lot of people give deliberately stupid answers to these kinds of obvious polling questions.


Exactly.  In high school we all had to do a survey about our attitudes towards drugs and alcohol.  It was shocking how many of us had been smoking at age 8, were drunk every day before noon, and/or were hardcore drug addicts.  The school had an assembly with counselors to educate us on the dangers of our poor choices.  Schmucks.
 
2013-03-14 03:58:32 PM  

Karac: Me and Andy Dufresne got it.


Hey there, Ms. Fussybritches.
 
2013-03-14 03:59:04 PM  

ginandbacon: Jesus rode on a unicorn in the clouds chasing the earth around the sun!


I think the movie was called Legend
 
2013-03-14 04:07:26 PM  
62% believe what they read on Huffington post.

Stupid 'mericans....
 
m00
2013-03-14 04:09:50 PM  

SquiggsIN: I guess i was too lawful good to lie on those stupid things.


Are you sure it's not just that lying creates a contradiction between reality and the spoken representation of reality (language/communication?). And that the logical mind seeks to resolve contradiction.

:p
 
2013-03-14 04:11:30 PM  

Ned Stark: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: St_Francis_P: I think most people realize that cloud computing requires man-made clouds; the natural ones can't hold enough data. I'm sure they use something like the artificial snow machines at ski resorts.

Now the concept of "real cloud" computing fascinates me.  Could you actually store data in a mist?  What happens when it rains?  Would stratus clouds hold less data than cumulus clouds?

There are online random number generators online that use current whether data to get the randomness.


I get confused often enough that "whether" I am going to do this or that is truly random.
 
m00
2013-03-14 04:11:45 PM  
Squiggs, do you play Halo?
 
2013-03-14 04:14:45 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: What about alicorns?

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 640x460]


I prefer the blue ones, but this one is okay.
 
2013-03-14 04:27:47 PM  

m00: I dont know about you, but my head would explode.


Sure, whatever. As long as you realize that this pedantry is meaningless in terms of how normal people communicate.
 
m00
2013-03-14 04:29:25 PM  

SquiggsIN: m00: Squiggs, do you play Halo?

I don't own an XBox so no.


I don't know why, but your comment reminded me of this. I guess in my head I was thinking of a FARK alignment chart.

cdn.duelinganalogs.com
 
2013-03-14 04:39:23 PM  

macdaddy357: If brains were dynamite, most Americans could not blow their noses.


You should probably say "nitro glycerine" instead of "dynamite". I mean, you need a blasting cap to set off dynamite and your post said nothing along the lines of, "If brains were dynamite and hypothalami were blasting caps yada yada..." or "If brains were old dynamite--sweating nitro--and The Incredible Hulk punched you in the cerebellum: the resulting explosion would not have enough force to blow a snot-bubble yada yada..."

Get with the program.
 
2013-03-14 04:41:50 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: "......Twenty four percent believe dinosaurs and man hung out together....."

Absolutely. Raquel Welch would never lie to

with me.

/obscure?
//perhaps for the younger farkers.....


FTFY ;)

/or me
//dammit
 
2013-03-14 04:43:29 PM  
Huh. Big surprise that the country just keeps becoming more intractably polarized. When you've convinced yourself that the only reason anyone could ever have for disagreeing with you is that they're so stupid as to be beyond help, there's not much point in exerting any energy attempting to understand, sympathize, or compromise, is there? Better to just add them to the list of the worst people in the world and call it a day.

Unfortunately this tool's entire premise is contradicted by his conclusion. The whole article is about how stupid half of the country is and why, oh why can't they all be highly-evolved, open-minded intellectual geniuses like him. Which of course means they'd also be liberal and atheist. It takes a special kind of insufferable prick to think so highly of himself that he's convinced if everyone in the world were just smart and well-read like him they'd all come to exactly the same conclusions and hold the same beliefs. He *is* the ultimate evolution of a human that we all should strive to emulate, so...obviously!

In the same column the guy describes his perspective as being the more nimble and open minded one and then proceeds to conclude that smart = liberal = atheist and stupid = conservative = religious. He is so evolved and his perspective is so nimble and open minded that he can't seem to fathom a single exception. And he's so intellectual that when proofing his column he apparently missed this glaring contradiction.

As I see it there are two possibilities: either he has his head so far up his arse that he actually believes he knows everything and is always right and if you don't agree with him... well you're just STUPID, gosh! You know, like a teenager. Or he's just one more columnist troll, spewing out inflammatory blather he only partially believes designed to draw maximum attention so maybe someday he'll become the celebrity that he obviously yearns to be with every fiber of his being. Like a liberal, un-famous Rush Limbaugh. So take your pick - ignorant ass or phony attention whore, or some combination. Either way his column is a piece of crap that I now have to scrap off the bottom of my brain and in the future will be careful to avoid. Just like teenagers and Rush Limbaugh.
 
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