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2013-03-14 12:10:23 PM
halfof33: derpderpderpityDOOOOoooooo!

Clarified for newbs.
 
Skr
2013-03-14 12:10:56 PM
I was thinking that in the past a equestrian variant of Shope Papilloma Virus had created a few unfortunate Unicorns.

Shope papilloma virus is what causes the real life Jackalopes.

www.cryptomundo.com
 
2013-03-14 12:13:34 PM

Fano: Joe Blowme: Onkel Buck: This is all well and good, but now we need to concentrate on getting Dihydrogen Monoxide banned! Its all over the planet and we dont have a lot of time left!

This is my Earth day crusade, we need to let people know 7000 die per year in the US alone from Dihydrogen Monoxide. When will the EPA step up and rule it a polutant?

People need to know that it's used in nuclear reactors and chemical plants. It's even used in the production of WEAPONS.


AND its in damn near every house in america, just waiting to kill people.
 
2013-03-14 12:13:51 PM
never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

they elect our congress. (and everything else)
 
2013-03-14 12:14:25 PM

neversubmit: dittybopper: neversubmit: dittybopper: m00: Biological Ali: Oh that was good. I give it 7/10.

The earth/sun thing is true though. I was arguing this with a colleague at work. Technically, the earth and the sun revolve around each other. It's not like the sun is somehow fixed in space.

The Earth and the Sun orbit around a common point.  That point is wholly within the Sun, so for all practical purposes, it's accurate enough to say the Earth orbits the Sun.

Both of them revolve around their respective axes.

revolve != orbit

Yeah, that's why I made sure to distinguish the two.

No they don't the earth orbits the sun the sun orbits the center of the milkyway galaxy


We're both right, depending on the frame of reference.

Considered as a two body system, the Earth and Sun orbit around a barycenter.  Because the Sun is much more massive than the Earth, that barycenter is below the surface of the Sun.

As a system, they both orbit the center of the Milky Way galaxy.
 
2013-03-14 12:14:58 PM

Joe Blowme: Fano: Joe Blowme: Onkel Buck: This is all well and good, but now we need to concentrate on getting Dihydrogen Monoxide banned! Its all over the planet and we dont have a lot of time left!

This is my Earth day crusade, we need to let people know 7000 die per year in the US alone from Dihydrogen Monoxide. When will the EPA step up and rule it a polutant?

People need to know that it's used in nuclear reactors and chemical plants. It's even used in the production of WEAPONS.

AND its in damn near every house in america, just waiting to kill people.


... and i hear that the government is working to bring it to every home that doesn't already have it!~  The HORROR!
 
2013-03-14 12:15:40 PM

FizixJunkee: dittybopper: durbnpoisn: 

Yeah they would.  Just recently it was revealed that 80% of NYC high school graduates entering CUNY (City University of New York) needed remedial work on reading, writing, and/or math.

These were *COLLEGE BOUND* kids, and 4 out of 5 couldn't meet the standards expected of them.

I'm betting that their education in science and social studies was similarly lacking.


Have you seen the video of Harvard graduates and their explanations of what causes seasons?  Like, there's one guy who claims winter occurs when Earth is farther away from the Sun, and summer occurs when its closer.

HARVARD GRADUATE.

Let that sink in.



Well, at least he put some logical thought into it.  It's completely wrong.  But at least he wasn't as wrong as, "See, a chariot pulls the sun across the sky, blabbity bla bla."

I wonder if the real problem here is that some people don't tend to look beyond what they consider to be obvious conclusions.  For instance, what I pointed out about the sun being a little ball in the sky (it's not.  It's a monstrous ball.  And it's 93 million miles away).  But you couldn't draw that conclusion by simply looking at it.
And I wonder who is to blame for that...  Could it be, just maybe, the same people that tell us that God created the universe a few thousand years ago, and there is no need to question things any further?
 
2013-03-14 12:16:33 PM
A hilariously large percent of terrified right-wingers are convinced Obama is soon going to take away all their guns, so when the Newtown shooting happened and 20 young children were massacred due to America's fetish for, obsession with and addiction to firearms, violence and fear, they bought more bullets. Because obviously.

Why the f*ck do I ever click on links from this website?
 
2013-03-14 12:17:16 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: halfof33: derpderpderpityDOOOOoooooo!

Clarified for newbs.


lolz

Sport, when you have nothing you really have nothing, don't you? Hee hee!
 
2013-03-14 12:18:04 PM

Tat'dGreaser: A hilariously large percent of terrified right-wingers are convinced Obama is soon going to take away all their guns, so when the Newtown shooting happened and 20 young children were massacred due to America's fetish for, obsession with and addiction to firearms, violence and fear, they bought more bullets. Because obviously.

Why the f*ck do I ever click on links from this website?


Because you hate yourself and this is how you beat your ass, or is that me?
 
2013-03-14 12:19:18 PM

neversubmit: Because you hate yourself and this is how you beat your ass, or is that me?


No that's me too

"Oh well maybe it won't be crazy this one time........"
 
2013-03-14 12:20:32 PM

durbnpoisn: FizixJunkee: dittybopper: durbnpoisn: 

Yeah they would.  Just recently it was revealed that 80% of NYC high school graduates entering CUNY (City University of New York) needed remedial work on reading, writing, and/or math.

These were *COLLEGE BOUND* kids, and 4 out of 5 couldn't meet the standards expected of them.

I'm betting that their education in science and social studies was similarly lacking.


Have you seen the video of Harvard graduates and their explanations of what causes seasons?  Like, there's one guy who claims winter occurs when Earth is farther away from the Sun, and summer occurs when its closer.

HARVARD GRADUATE.

Let that sink in.


Well, at least he put some logical thought into it.  It's completely wrong.  But at least he wasn't as wrong as, "See, a chariot pulls the sun across the sky, blabbity bla bla."

I wonder if the real problem here is that some people don't tend to look beyond what they consider to be obvious conclusions.  For instance, what I pointed out about the sun being a little ball in the sky (it's not.  It's a monstrous ball.  And it's 93 million miles away).  But you couldn't draw that conclusion by simply looking at it.
And I wonder who is to blame for that...  Could it be, just maybe, the same people that tell us that God created the universe a few thousand years ago, and there is no need to question things any further?


It amazes me how many people have that "question everything until no questions remain" part of their brains turned off.  I've never understood how people can understand so little about the universe around them and not care or notice.  I've found that even the educated among us tend to not question things themselves when offered even a basic explanation of something. I tend to ponder whether substituting curiosity/inquisition with superstition/fairy tales as children has irrevocably broken certain peoples' abilities to discern and question the less than obvious things around us.  As a result, people can be incredibly ignorant about the simplest of things in the world around them....
 
2013-03-14 12:20:48 PM
No more ridiculous than believing in god or that the Earth is only 6000 years old and a whole hell of a lot more people believe that bullshiat.
 
2013-03-14 12:22:12 PM
Meh, when asked a question in polling most people feel compelled to give an answer even if they know nothing on the topic.

It's only the truly stupid who will argue for their incorrect point of view.

It may be the same percentage but the questions alone aren't really indicative of much.
 
2013-03-14 12:22:26 PM

Tat'dGreaser: A hilariously large percent of terrified right-wingers are convinced Obama is soon going to take away all their guns, so when the Newtown shooting happened and 20 young children were massacred due to America's fetish for, obsession with and addiction to firearms, violence and fear, they bought more bullets. Because obviously.

Why the f*ck do I ever click on links from this website?


Care to 'refudiate' the statement?
 
2013-03-14 12:23:00 PM

SpectroBoy: MrGuilt:

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 640x426]
I'm a lone rhinoceros
There ain't one hell of a lots of us left in this world


I stand alone in my concrete cell
where people stare and toss me Coke cans
I guess it's better than being poached
but I'd give my horn just to see my homeland...

=]
 
2013-03-14 12:23:49 PM
This Is Great News. For Ashley Judd.
 
2013-03-14 12:24:44 PM

titwrench: No more ridiculous than believing in god or that the Earth is only 6000 years old and a whole hell of a lot more people believe that bullshiat.


http://www.skepticalmonkey.com/creation-museum-photos


laugh at that.  it's one of many photo collections i've seen made by "skeptics" visiting the Creationist museum.  Worth a laugh.
 
2013-03-14 12:25:08 PM

heypete: The number of guns in the country and guns-per-capita are at an all-time high while gun-related homicide rates are at their lowest point since 1964 and have been trending downwards for years.


Nope.  Gun ownership has been falling since the 70's, and so has violent crime.  Interesting.
 
2013-03-14 12:27:42 PM

halfof33: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: halfof33: derpderpderpityDOOOOoooooo!

Clarified for newbs.

lolz

Sport, when you have nothing you really have nothing, don't you? Hee hee!


Bless his heart
 
2013-03-14 12:28:35 PM

FizixJunkee: Have you seen the video of Harvard graduates and their explanations of what causes seasons? Like, there's one guy who claims winter occurs when Earth is farther away from the Sun, and summer occurs when its closer.

HARVARD GRADUATE.


So what? It's easy to cherry pick and make someone look dumb because they don't know a specific fact that you know (and the one you cite isn't even a very good example, since that misconception is very common and quite widespread). That same guy may also have stunning skills with numbers, remarkably business intuition, and a sweeping knowledge of world politics and history. He might be better than 99% of people in a half-dozen other areas of knowledge. The fact that he doesn't know one thing and instead believes something he probably learned (incorrectly) as a child and has never had cause to think of again doesn't mean squat. All it means is that he doesn't know that one thing.

With the right questions and the right editing, it's easy to make just about anyone look stupid.
 
2013-03-14 12:29:09 PM

the801: the sun does revolve around the earth, in as much as anything could be said to revolve around anything.

people who think that the sun is a static central part of the universe are exactly the same as people who believe that the earth is a static central part of the universe.


Yes, yes... it's all frames of reference. But a reference frame where the sun revolves around the Earth isn't a very useful one to work with if you are, for instance, trying to put a lander on Mars.
 
2013-03-14 12:32:22 PM
She saw dinosaurs.
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-14 12:32:28 PM

midigod: heypete: The number of guns in the country and guns-per-capita are at an all-time high while gun-related homicide rates are at their lowest point since 1964 and have been trending downwards for years.

Nope.  Gun ownership has been falling since the 70's, and so has violent crime.  Interesting.


And yet the number of penises has been increasing steadily and incidents of rape has dropped in that EXACT SAME timeline!. You can't explain that!

/correlation does not equal causation.
 
2013-03-14 12:32:35 PM

dittybopper: m00: Biological Ali: Oh that was good. I give it 7/10.

The earth/sun thing is true though. I was arguing this with a colleague at work. Technically, the earth and the sun revolve around each other. It's not like the sun is somehow fixed in space.

The Earth and the Sun orbit around a common point.  That point is wholly within the Sun, so for all practical purposes, it's accurate enough to say the Earth orbits the Sun.

Both of them revolve around their respective axes.


Thanks, I was going to say this. The only thing I would add is that the common point is the common center of gravity, and that it's not at the geometric center of the sun (just very, very close to it).
 
2013-03-14 12:34:21 PM
Being in IT, a few years ago, there were many people asking me "What is cloud computing?"  I would give them a short description, and within 15 seconds, could see their eyes glaze over.

Most Avg. people don't care to know.  I now just tell when asked "any storage or computation that takes place outside your computer"  and walk away quickly.

Sometimes, I'd get people who would actually argue with me, because "Their friend who is like a computer genius, told me that cloud computing was X, X, X,."  I usually held off on telling them that their friend was an idiot.
 
2013-03-14 12:35:13 PM

Fano: Joe Blowme: Onkel Buck: This is all well and good, but now we need to concentrate on getting Dihydrogen Monoxide banned! Its all over the planet and we dont have a lot of time left!

This is my Earth day crusade, we need to let people know 7000 die per year in the US alone from Dihydrogen Monoxide. When will the EPA step up and rule it a polutant?

People need to know that it's used in nuclear reactors and chemical plants. It's even used in the production of WEAPONS.


For the love of ...Umm. Its even worse than I thought!
 
2013-03-14 12:35:17 PM
I think its closer to 51% considering the election results,
 
2013-03-14 12:37:00 PM
I would love to meet someone, just once, who sincerely believes that the sun revolves around the earth, because

1) I don't believe they exist outside of mental illness, and think it's much more likely that 18% will take the piss if presented, and

2) it would be so much fun to teach them otherwise and blow their mind. Usually, you only get to rock someone's world like that when they're under the age of six.
 
2013-03-14 12:37:29 PM

Joe Blowme: meat0918: Joe Blowme: Onkel Buck: This is all well and good, but now we need to concentrate on getting Dihydrogen Monoxide banned! Its all over the planet and we dont have a lot of time left!

This is my Earth day crusade, we need to let people know 7000 die per year in the US alone from Dihydrogen Monoxide. When will the EPA step up and rule it a polutant?

I've gotten more than one wannabe crunchy hippy with that one.  The last one was very pissed at me, I think in part because her husband played along.

You would not believe the numbers i get signing that petition every year for earth week. granted most are right our of high school but still. The powers that be asked me not to do it again this year, it made someone feelproved someone was dumb.


FTFY
 
2013-03-14 12:37:43 PM

dittybopper: neversubmit: dittybopper: m00: Biological Ali: Oh that was good. I give it 7/10.

The earth/sun thing is true though. I was arguing this with a colleague at work. Technically, the earth and the sun revolve around each other. It's not like the sun is somehow fixed in space.

The Earth and the Sun orbit around a common point.  That point is wholly within the Sun, so for all practical purposes, it's accurate enough to say the Earth orbits the Sun.

Both of them revolve around their respective axes.

revolve != orbit

Yeah, that's why I made sure to distinguish the two.


Earth rotates on its own axis and revolves around the sun.
 
2013-03-14 12:38:06 PM

meat0918: Joe Blowme: meat0918: Joe Blowme: Onkel Buck: This is all well and good, but now we need to concentrate on getting Dihydrogen Monoxide banned! Its all over the planet and we dont have a lot of time left!

This is my Earth day crusade, we need to let people know 7000 die per year in the US alone from Dihydrogen Monoxide. When will the EPA step up and rule it a polutant?

I've gotten more than one wannabe crunchy hippy with that one.  The last one was very pissed at me, I think in part because her husband played along.

You would not believe the numbers i get signing that petition every year for earth week. granted most are right our of high school but still. The powers that be asked me not to do it again this year, it made someone feel dumb.

I would believe you.  I almost want to go and gather signatures this year around town, just to see how many I get.

You should do it anyways.


If you like those sorts of joke, you should try to see "Brass Eye" if you haven't before (the second episode about drugs is particuarly hilarious).
 
2013-03-14 12:38:09 PM
We're going to candy mountain, Charlie!
 
2013-03-14 12:40:24 PM

SquiggsIN: titwrench: No more ridiculous than believing in god or that the Earth is only 6000 years old and a whole hell of a lot more people believe that bullshiat.

http://www.skepticalmonkey.com/creation-museum-photos


laugh at that.  it's one of many photo collections i've seen made by "skeptics" visiting the Creationist museum.  Worth a laugh.


Saved for after work
 
2013-03-14 12:40:48 PM

midigod: Nope.  Gun ownership has been falling since the 70's, and so has violent crime.  Interesting.


Interesting. Thanks for the link.

Since more people are living in cities and not doing as much outdoor living, it doesn't really surprise me that fewer households contain guns (though the number of guns-per-capita is certainly increasing, as is the amount of people with concealed carry permits). Five Thirty Eight has an interesting analysis of the same surveys.

That said, I wonder if people are truthfully answering those surveys: I realize that its anecdotal, but all the gun owners I know are rather skeptical of telling a random telephone caller if they do or don't own guns. I wonder how one could take that into consideration?

In my personal experience, every time I'd go to the local ranges in the SF Bay Area (CA), Phoenix, Casa Grande, and Tucson (AZ) area they were quite full, often with lots younger shooters (in their 20s-30s, rather than old guys).

Yeah, I know the plural of "anecdote" isn't "data", but that doesn't really jive with my personal experience. I admit I could definitely be wrong though. :)
 
2013-03-14 12:40:50 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: St_Francis_P: I think most people realize that cloud computing requires man-made clouds; the natural ones can't hold enough data. I'm sure they use something like the artificial snow machines at ski resorts.

Now the concept of "real cloud" computing fascinates me.  Could you actually store data in a mist?  What happens when it rains?  Would stratus clouds hold less data than cumulus clouds?



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2013-03-14 12:40:58 PM

FizixJunkee: Have you seen the video of Harvard graduates and their explanations of what causes seasons?  Like, there's one guy who claims winter occurs when Earth is farther away from the Sun, and summer occurs when its closer.

HARVARD GRADUATE.

Let that sink in.


ISWYDT. I wonder how many people you'll snag.
 
2013-03-14 12:41:12 PM
Only six believe in unicorns?  That's surprising seeing as though even the Bible implies their existence.  All Christians (to a lesser extent, the Jews - I don't know where or if Job places in their canon) should believe in it.

Job 39:9-12

/snicker
 
2013-03-14 12:41:13 PM

balisane: Usually, you only get to rock someone's world like that when they're under the age of six.


You should meet my wife.  She's not stupid but as ditzy as they come.  She gets that bewildered / glazed look in her eyes far more often than i'd like to see.
 
2013-03-14 12:43:44 PM
I have been saying this for years: the systematic dumbing down of the American populace so that the elite exert more control than they already have.
 
2013-03-14 12:44:50 PM

balisane: 2) it would be so much fun to teach them otherwise and blow their mind.


It wouldn't. Most people don't care about that stuff. You'd get halfway through explaining it to them and they'd either tune you out because they think you're being obnoxious, their eyes would glaze over because you're utterly boring them, or both.

Most people stop caring about what causes the seasons, where the Earth is in relation to the rest of the celestial bodies, the span of time between us and the dinosaurs, and why the sky is blue when they realize that it has no bearing on their job, their relationship, paying their bills, unwinding on the weekend, or whatever.

I don't particularly agree with or relate to that mindset, as my lust for learning never left me (and likely never will), but I certainly understand it.
 
2013-03-14 12:45:04 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: You all are sheeple. Seriously, explain this:

[i.ytimg.com image 320x180]

/linkage:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
//(volume warning)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLwPfobiyuo

xria: Karac: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: When you're dealing with two bodies moving through space without a fixed reference point, you could say either one is revolving around the other - the math is just much easier one way.

For asteroids floating in deep space perhaps.  But for the Earth and Sun - no, you can't.  It's pretty easy to prove that the Earth revolves around the Sun because the center of it's orbit is actually INSIDE the sun.

The centre of gravity is inside the sun, but that doesn't necessarily mean the centre of the orbit is given that Earth isn't going around in a perfect circle. Given the Earth is ~5 million km nearer the sun in January (perihelion) than July (aphelion), and the Sun is ~1.4 million km in diameter, that would suggest the centre of the orbit is outside the sun by ~1.8 million km.


The earth's orbit is elliptical, not a perfect circle.  Ellipses have two "centres" (foci, plural of focus).  The sun sits at one of them, and that's what we're talking about when we say "centre of the orbit" (at least, that's what I should have said earlier - it completely slipped my mind until I read your post).

/clarifications welcome, it's been a while since I took first year astronomy
 
2013-03-14 12:46:03 PM
So let me get this straight. If someone does not think like this guy they are a moron. He is enlightened and all should now down to his superior liberal intellect.

Nothing closed minded there, nope nothing.
 
2013-03-14 12:47:07 PM

FizixJunkee: dittybopper: durbnpoisn: 

Yeah they would.  Just recently it was revealed that 80% of NYC high school graduates entering CUNY (City University of New York) needed remedial work on reading, writing, and/or math.

These were *COLLEGE BOUND* kids, and 4 out of 5 couldn't meet the standards expected of them.

I'm betting that their education in science and social studies was similarly lacking.


Have you seen the video of Harvard graduates and their explanations of what causes seasons?  Like, there's one guy who claims winter occurs when Earth is farther away from the Sun, and summer occurs when its closer.

HARVARD GRADUATE.

Let that sink in.


In the southern hemisphere, the earth is further from the sun in winter. Closest approach is Jan 4, which is summer in the south.

Didn't watch.
 
2013-03-14 12:48:44 PM
Depends on how the question is worded. For example, Of course unicorns exist as a concept in human discourse. We wouldn't be talking about them if the didn't. So yes, to that question.

In other, words how intelligent were the survey creators? Something tells me they aren't real bright.

/btw - Neornithes (birds) clade includes birds exiting and surviving the Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction (dinosaurs).
 
2013-03-14 12:53:29 PM

Visionmn2: So let me get this straight. If someone does not think like this guy they are a moron. He is enlightened and all should now down to his superior liberal intellect.

Nothing closed minded there, nope nothing.


Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.  You know what not everyone has?  The facts.  You know what no one has?  A unicorn, because they don't exist.  You know what that makes you if you believe in unicorns?  A moron, worthy of scorn and ridicule.  Or a child, in which case rock on.
 
2013-03-14 12:54:25 PM

WhoGAS: Only six believe in unicorns?  That's surprising seeing as though even the Bible implies their existence.  All Christians (to a lesser extent, the Jews - I don't know where or if Job places in their canon) should believe in it.

Job 39:9-12

/snicker


The KJV is full of translation fail. My favorite one is the passage where God compares the Israelites to the Scottish.
 
2013-03-14 12:56:47 PM
Not sure if I can stomach a thread like this today. I'm just going to go ahead and assume all comments here, witty or derptastic, consist solely of:

"In sum and all averaged out, it's safe to say about 37 percent of Americans are just are not very bright."
What an idiot! His grammar is terrible. I can't acknowledge a positive or negative response to this article because the writer left a typo in.
 
m00
2013-03-14 12:57:01 PM

Biological Ali: Which is, of course, entirely separate from the point of the question. It's like saying "If we expand the definition of the term to include those Blue Angel planes that do the fancy tricks, then angels really are real!", or "If we expand the definition of 'murder' to include 'killing someone softly with his song', then that man is guilty!"


I think you're missing the point I'm (maybe poorly) trying to make. It's factually incorrect to say "the Sun does not revolve around the Earth." This is what we teach kids, because it's easier than high school/college level physics and there is the history behind heliocentric/geocentric models. It's like a questionnaire that says "Is the acceleration of gravity  9.81 m/s2?" The answer is, of course, "no." It's the acceleration of gravity on earth, in a vacuum, as described by classical mechanics. Basically, it's a poorly worded question because it's looking for a specific answer but it doesn't phrase the question to make that answer absolutely true. "Does the sun revolve around the earth?" is another example. You might call this nit-picky, but these are supposed to be scientific questions. Don't give me a scientific y/n question where the answer isn't an absolute.

"Do unicorns exist?" is also a poorly phrased question. It should be "Has there been any scientific discoveries of fossil records, bones, or physical remnants of the mythological creature known as a 'unicorn'?" Because the actual answer to the question "do unicorns exist" is who knows? Nobody has directly observed a unicorn, but nobody has directly observed pretty much anything in string theory. A lack of observation doesn't prove something doesn't exist. All we can say is that we haven't observed something, we do/don't have evidence for something. We can prove something does exist, but we can't prove the negative.

So what the survey questions I'm picking on really ask is "how in line are you of what other people think about an issue?" Obviously, most people don't think unicorns exist... so the right answer to "do unicorns exist" is "no" why? because most people think they don't exist, and we're all taught they don't exist.  So basically it's playing Family Feud.
 
2013-03-14 12:57:05 PM
So, the writer admonishes people for believing in things with no evidence . . . and then proceeds to make all sorts of assumptions while presenting no evidence.

It's almost like the authors lack of belief is the product of socialization and not rational thought. Of course, I have no evidence of that . . .
 
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