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(Huffington Post)   "Six percent of Americans believe in unicorns. Twenty four percent believe dinosaurs and man hung out together. Eighteen percent believe the sun revolves around the Earth. Nearly 30% believe cloud computing involves actual clouds"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 488
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2013-03-14 11:15:22 AM
...and yet despite this knowledge, people here continue to call every post that seems stupid or unreasonable a "troll".
 
2013-03-14 11:15:46 AM

m00: Biological Ali: Oh that was good. I give it 7/10.

The earth/sun thing is true though. I was arguing this with a colleague at work. Technically, the earth and the sun revolve around each other. It's not like the sun is somehow fixed in space.


The Earth and the Sun orbit around a common point.  That point is wholly within the Sun, so for all practical purposes, it's accurate enough to say the Earth orbits the Sun.

Both of them revolve around their respective axes.
 
2013-03-14 11:16:22 AM
f.asset.soup.io
 
2013-03-14 11:16:34 AM
I don't believe in unicorns. I just really, really wish they were real.
 
2013-03-14 11:16:39 AM

halfof33: neversubmit: Things that make me go hmmm... for 200 Alex

Well there was absolutely no question whatsoever that Iraq Had WMDs, hell they used them on the Kurds.

The question was whether in 1998-3 Iraq still had capable offensive WMD delivery and development programs.


Is your reply meant to be meta? cause if so lol if not LOL
 
2013-03-14 11:17:54 AM

Moonfisher: I don't believe in unicorns. I just really, really wish they were real.


Me too.  I'd dig having a unicorn trophy on my wall.
 
2013-03-14 11:18:07 AM

m00: I was arguing this with a colleague at work. Technically, the earth and the sun revolve around each other.


Your colleague is right. The Earth and sun do not revolve around one another. Your reasoning may seem logical on the surface, but it's incorrect.
 
2013-03-14 11:18:17 AM
I just settled with being somewhat wealthy over being somewhat intelligent.
 
2013-03-14 11:18:38 AM

Sim Tree: Surveys tend to have an established minimum %, due to people screwing with the presenter, misunderstanding the question, being insane, or some linear combination of all three. I'm amazed that the unicorn question made it as low as 4%, actually. I'd always thought the floor was around 9%.



First to mind when asked what "the cloud" is, a majority respond it's either an actual cloud, the sky, or something related to weather (29%) (pdf)


If people asked me out of the blue what "the cloud" was I couldn't guarantee that I'd think of cloud computing either.
 
2013-03-14 11:18:41 AM

Joe Blowme: Onkel Buck: This is all well and good, but now we need to concentrate on getting Dihydrogen Monoxide banned! Its all over the planet and we dont have a lot of time left!

This is my Earth day crusade, we need to let people know 7000 die per year in the US alone from Dihydrogen Monoxide. When will the EPA step up and rule it a polutant?


I know! Follow the money man, farking evil greedy corporations sidestepping regulations and letting this stuff pollute the planet! Savages! We need a revolution man, real change, a real message about how dangerous this stuff is! It has "die" right in its name what kind of hint do you need man?
 
2013-03-14 11:18:48 AM

Sim Tree: hardinparamedic: JarynFrostwing: [fc03.deviantart.net image 850x549]
You think that's bad, some of us believe in pegasi as well. 8D

That's Wildfire!

Thanks for that. I hadn't realized Sisby's OC had such depth of storyline.

*

/ I am not a robot. I am a unicorn.


Yeah but that's not Sibsy's OC, that's my OC lol Emberwind.
 
2013-03-14 11:19:02 AM
Personally, I blame the damn muddy the waters tactic certain groups have taken while attacking science education.

Add in a general disdain for intellectualism and intelligence in our country, add a hefty dose of "I reject reality and substitute my own", and you have modern day America.
 
2013-03-14 11:19:13 AM

neversubmit: Is your reply meant to be meta? cause if so lol if not LOL


No I meant to reply to the guy you were replying to.

The lizard shifting space Joos made me do it.
 
2013-03-14 11:19:22 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: So many of these are arbitrary. There are a couple animals thought to have been the source for the unicorn. When you're dealing with two bodies moving through space without a fixed reference point, you could say either one is revolving around the other - the math is just much easier one way. And a huge chunk of internet transmission goes through satellites, meaning your cloud computing data is passing through actual clouds.


Awesome, you made me snort coffee out my nose.
 
2013-03-14 11:19:22 AM

dittybopper: m00: Biological Ali: Oh that was good. I give it 7/10.

The earth/sun thing is true though. I was arguing this with a colleague at work. Technically, the earth and the sun revolve around each other. It's not like the sun is somehow fixed in space.

The Earth and the Sun orbit around a common point.  That point is wholly within the Sun, so for all practical purposes, it's accurate enough to say the Earth orbits the Sun.

Both of them revolve around their respective axes.


revolve != orbit
 
2013-03-14 11:20:05 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Molavian: You should see the percentage that believes in gun control.

I wonder how many think more guns = more safety.

Since we have 300 million people, and 200 million privately-owned firearms, shouldn't our murder rate be REALLY low?


On the flip side, if more guns means more violence we should have a much more violent country than we do since we're positively drowning in guns.

I think a better correlation with violence is wealth/income disparity. And we have a major problem with wealth/income disparity in the US. Guns themselves aren't the problem... a population shaped to have a high number of desperate people struggling on the margins ARE, however.


Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Americans, the scum of the Earth.



Not scum.... just way too many of us believe in angels and we disdain politicians who don't.
 
2013-03-14 11:20:13 AM

heypete: WaitWhatWhy: Not really because gravity. Yeah, the math for the relative motion can be set up either way, but once you factor in the forces involved, saying the sun revolves around the earth is like saying that when you jump off the diving board, the earth falls up towards you.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...the earth  doesn't fall up toward me?


Its exactly as true either way. Cause ya know, motion is relative and shiat.

Regarding "Yourself" as a fixed point just usually isn't a very useful frame of reference.
 
2013-03-14 11:20:30 AM

Moonfisher: I don't believe in unicorns. I just really, really wish they were real.


They are real.

i76.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-14 11:20:30 AM

Cheron: St_Francis_P: I think most people realize that cloud computing requires man-made clouds; the natural ones can't hold enough data. I'm sure they use something like the artificial snow machines at ski resorts.

They use the same chemtrails from the jumbo jets.  Obama is controlling our minds and our data.


So Obama is just Bush in black face?
 
2013-03-14 11:21:47 AM
i120.photobucket.com
Suck it deniers!
 
2013-03-14 11:21:59 AM

m00: Technically, the earth and the sun revolve around each other. It's not like the sun is somehow fixed in space.


If you want to be technical (which you're not, despite your best attempts), any gravitationally interacting bodies orbit around the common center of mass.  In a simplified Earth/Sun system, that common center of mass is deep inside the Sun, so deep as to make the "center of mass" distinction essentially irrelevant.  The Earth orbits the Sun.

However, that's not technically correct either. There are other bodies in the solar system that affect both the Earth and Sun, and ALL bodies in the solar system are orbiting the common center of mass as determined by the entire system.

But wait, there's more! Since your desire is to be technical, the entire solar system is also orbiting the galactic core of the Milky Way, and in its collective journey, is also affected by all of the solar systems, stellar nurseries, etc, that are scattered around the galaxy, in addition to the gravitational attraction of the supermassive black hole at the galactic center.

/if you want to be technical, of course
//or you can just go back to agreeing with an obvious troll
 
2013-03-14 11:22:45 AM

halfof33: neversubmit: Things that make me go hmmm... for 200 Alex

Well there was absolutely no question whatsoever that Iraq Had WMDs, hell they used them on the Kurds.

The question was whether in 1998-3 Iraq still had capable offensive WMD delivery and development programs.


Well, you get my drift then.
 
2013-03-14 11:22:48 AM

neversubmit: halfof33: neversubmit: Things that make me go hmmm... for 200 Alex

Well there was absolutely no question whatsoever that Iraq Had WMDs, hell they used them on the Kurds.

The question was whether in 1998-3 Iraq still had capable offensive WMD delivery and development programs.

Is your reply meant to be meta? cause if so lol if not LOL


You do realize its KURDS he is talking about not CURDS right? RIGHT?
 
2013-03-14 11:22:55 AM

Joe Blowme: Onkel Buck: This is all well and good, but now we need to concentrate on getting Dihydrogen Monoxide banned! Its all over the planet and we dont have a lot of time left!

This is my Earth day crusade, we need to let people know 7000 die per year in the US alone from Dihydrogen Monoxide. When will the EPA step up and rule it a polutant?


I've gotten more than one wannabe crunchy hippy with that one.  The last one was very pissed at me, I think in part because her husband played along.
 
2013-03-14 11:23:24 AM
The Hasids I work with, whom normally seem quite intelligent, believe the earth is 5700 or so years old. I have faith too, but this belief seems a little out of touch these days.
 
2013-03-14 11:24:27 AM
neversubmit:

revolve != orbit

this.

is exactly what i was about to say. they're two totally different things, and whether or not one thing revolves around another has nothing to do with gravity and relative masses and such.

why people no know revolve != orbit?
 
2013-03-14 11:24:29 AM

halfof33: neversubmit: Is your reply meant to be meta? cause if so lol if not LOL

No I meant to reply to the guy you were replying to.

The lizard shifting space Joos made me do it.


Then LOL it is!
 
2013-03-14 11:25:21 AM

Joe Blowme: Cheron: St_Francis_P: I think most people realize that cloud computing requires man-made clouds; the natural ones can't hold enough data. I'm sure they use something like the artificial snow machines at ski resorts.

They use the same chemtrails from the jumbo jets.  Obama is controlling our minds and our data.

So Obama is just Bush in black face?


Pretty much. He left most of Bush's policies in place. Thats why we still get to blame Bush, at least he isn't trying to take that from anybody
 
2013-03-14 11:25:31 AM

m00: Biological Ali: Oh that was good. I give it 7/10.

The earth/sun thing is true though. I was arguing this with a colleague at work. Technically, the earth and the sun revolve around each other. It's not like the sun is somehow fixed in space.


Two bodies in space orbit each other, but when one body is so incredibly massive compared to the other one, the co-orbital point (I'm not sure if that's the right term, it's the point the two bodies orbit around) is so close to the centre of mass of the big one that it's equally as valid to say the small one orbits the big one.

Similarly, the Earth and Moon orbit each other, but the co-orbital point (see above) is within the earth.  The moon makes us wobble a little bit, but we're not epicycling.
 
2013-03-14 11:26:10 AM

meat0918: Joe Blowme: Onkel Buck: This is all well and good, but now we need to concentrate on getting Dihydrogen Monoxide banned! Its all over the planet and we dont have a lot of time left!

This is my Earth day crusade, we need to let people know 7000 die per year in the US alone from Dihydrogen Monoxide. When will the EPA step up and rule it a polutant?

I've gotten more than one wannabe crunchy hippy with that one.  The last one was very pissed at me, I think in part because her husband played along.


You would not believe the numbers i get signing that petition every year for earth week. granted most are right our of high school but still. The powers that be asked me not to do it again this year, it made someone feel dumb.
 
2013-03-14 11:26:28 AM

Ned Stark: Its exactly as true either way. Cause ya know, motion is relative and shiat.

Regarding "Yourself" as a fixed point just usually isn't a very useful frame of reference.


Hey, it works great when I'm walking around and stuff. :-D

/physics grad student, just joking around
 
2013-03-14 11:26:51 AM

Karac: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: When you're dealing with two bodies moving through space without a fixed reference point, you could say either one is revolving around the other - the math is just much easier one way.

For asteroids floating in deep space perhaps.  But for the Earth and Sun - no, you can't.  It's pretty easy to prove that the Earth revolves around the Sun because the center of it's orbit is actually INSIDE the sun.


That's unpossible. It would burn up INSIDE the sun!
 
2013-03-14 11:28:58 AM

Rapmaster2000: I may not have any "training" or "education" or "credentials", but I'm a MOMMY and so I know that vaccinations are a huge scam by doctors to get rich by uploading our children's blood into the clouds.


I wondered why the rain barrel was coppery. Thought it might've been the bird crap.
 
2013-03-14 11:29:45 AM

neversubmit: halfof33: neversubmit: Things that make me go hmmm... for 200 Alex

Well there was absolutely no question whatsoever that Iraq Had WMDs, hell they used them on the Kurds.

The question was whether in 1998-3 Iraq still had capable offensive WMD delivery and development programs.

Is your reply meant to be meta? cause if so lol if not LOL


They did have offensive WMD. They used them on the Kurds. I believe we found some of them and their is a belief that they shipped a lot of them to Syria for safe keeping. There is a fear that Syria is using them on their own revolutionaries.

The problem is that a lot of people equate WMD with NUKES and nothing else.
 
2013-03-14 11:30:34 AM
and 95% of huffpost contributors, bloggers and fark commenters [guilty!] pull statistics out of their ass, ensuring absolutely no integrity in their "reporting"...citations needed.
 
2013-03-14 11:30:41 AM

shoegaze99: some_beer_drinker: seriously? wow, Americans people are pretty retarded.

Similar polls have been done in other countries, with similar results. People are stupid all over. For example, many people in Iceland believe elves actually exist.

This is not unusual, nor is is particularly American. People are stupid polls are unreliable all over.


Seriously, don't believe survey results unless they are developed and executed by competent, disinterested professionals... and the subject matter rational, non-emotive stuff. Otherwise, the signal/noise ratio is potato.
 
2013-03-14 11:30:49 AM
You can' t see electricity or air either, just the results, yet everyone believes in it, too.
 
2013-03-14 11:30:49 AM

WaitWhatWhy: saying the sun revolves around the earth is like saying that when you jump off the diving board, the earth falls up towards you.


Doesn't it? I know people are used to assuming that the smaller object moves, while the bigger object remains stationary, but that's just convention.
 
2013-03-14 11:31:27 AM
"Six percent of Americans believe in unicorns."

From the last presidential election, I would have guessed this to be at least 51 percent.
 
2013-03-14 11:31:32 AM
Our daughter is 5 years old and doesn't believe unicorns are real.  She also knows that the Earth revolves around the Sun, that night and day are the result of the Earth spinning on its axis, and that humans are animals related to chimpanzees.

She knows nothing about Jesus since she's Jewish, but she does know that dinosaurs went extinct many millions of years ago, long before humans existed.  Oh, and she knows the log(1) = 0.*

In short, our kindergartener is smarter than many American adults.

*she doesn't know what that means, though
 
2013-03-14 11:31:39 AM
I do tech support for every state in the union and DRTFA, but sounds legit.
 
2013-03-14 11:31:58 AM

The Snow Dog: powhound: Believing in UFO's isn't a stretch. I wish one would come take me from this crazy planet.

I wish authors were smart enough not to use "UFO" interchangeably with "alien spacecraft." You'd be a moron to deny UFOs exist. Alien spacecraft? Notsomuch.


Alien spacecraft almost certainly exist. The unlikely bit is any of them are coming to earth to fart about secretly experimenting about stuff we have been broadcasting out the details of light years in all directions.
 
2013-03-14 11:32:14 AM
What an American who believes in leprechauns might look like:

i39.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-14 11:34:31 AM

Joe Blowme: meat0918: Joe Blowme: Onkel Buck: This is all well and good, but now we need to concentrate on getting Dihydrogen Monoxide banned! Its all over the planet and we dont have a lot of time left!

This is my Earth day crusade, we need to let people know 7000 die per year in the US alone from Dihydrogen Monoxide. When will the EPA step up and rule it a polutant?

I've gotten more than one wannabe crunchy hippy with that one.  The last one was very pissed at me, I think in part because her husband played along.

You would not believe the numbers i get signing that petition every year for earth week. granted most are right our of high school but still. The powers that be asked me not to do it again this year, it made someone feel dumb.


I would believe you.  I almost want to go and gather signatures this year around town, just to see how many I get.

You should do it anyways.
 
2013-03-14 11:34:36 AM

shoegaze99:  For example, many people in Iceland believe elves actually exist.



77% of Americans believe in angels.  To me, there's no difference between believing in angels and believing in elves.
 
2013-03-14 11:34:49 AM
The problem is we simply have too many people. We are 7 billion + now on this planet. If even 10 percent of that figure are idiots it makes for 700,000,000 stupid mother farkers somehow remembering to breathe right this moment.

While I think that 10 percent is a lowball guess, it is compounded by the fact that we are all human. Even the best educated and cleverest of us still have moments of shocking stupidity. Consider that anther 10 percent (another lowball guess) of the "smarter" population segment in this example just happen to be doing something stupid RIGHT NOW. That makes for another 630,000,000 people.

So just using what are probably low percentages, we come to the realization that at any given moment there are 1,330,000,000 people either being stupid or doing something stupid.

It really begins to explain a lot.
 
2013-03-14 11:35:07 AM

CujoQuarrel: neversubmit: halfof33: neversubmit: Things that make me go hmmm... for 200 Alex

Well there was absolutely no question whatsoever that Iraq Had WMDs, hell they used them on the Kurds.

The question was whether in 1998-3 Iraq still had capable offensive WMD delivery and development programs.

Is your reply meant to be meta? cause if so lol if not LOL

They did have offensive WMD. They used them on the Kurds. I believe we found some of them and their is a belief that they shipped a lot of them to Syria for safe keeping. There is a fear that Syria is using them on their own revolutionaries.

The problem is that a lot of people equate WMD with NUKES and nothing else.


Your timeline is bad and you should feel bad. Oh btw where did they get those bio/chem weapons?

www.indybay.org
 
2013-03-14 11:35:48 AM
MrGuilt:

farm9.staticflickr.com
I'm a lone rhinoceros
There ain't one hell of a lots of us left in this world
 
2013-03-14 11:36:06 AM

Karac: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: When you're dealing with two bodies moving through space without a fixed reference point, you could say either one is revolving around the other - the math is just much easier one way.

For asteroids floating in deep space perhaps.  But for the Earth and Sun - no, you can't.  It's pretty easy to prove that the Earth revolves around the Sun because the center of it's orbit is actually INSIDE the sun.


If the Sun orbits around the Earth, wouldn't the center of its orbit likewise be inside the Earth?  It is just that everything else (except the moon) orbits the Sun.

And as a technicality, I keep hearing zoologists refer to crocodiles as living fossils.  I have also seen Steve Irwin jump on top of them.  So that one is not too far off.
 
2013-03-14 11:36:38 AM
I believe... I'll have a drink on the afternoon.
 
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