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2013-03-14 08:28:08 AM
I'm just sad he died before seeing his legacy raped like an underprivileged kid.
 
2013-03-14 08:50:56 AM
PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.
 
2013-03-14 09:21:57 AM

Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.


As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.
 
2013-03-14 09:26:08 AM

BunkyBrewman: Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.

As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.


Oh they can stick their fingers in their ears and yell as loud as they want but...it's not gonna work.  Paterno was a key figure in the cover up and thats just all there is to it.
 
2013-03-14 09:27:32 AM
Done in one.
 
2013-03-14 09:35:21 AM

BunkyBrewman: As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.


I have nothing but sympathy for Franco Harris, or any other victim of sexual abuse.
 
2013-03-14 09:37:20 AM

fatalvenom: Done in one.


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2013-03-14 09:49:23 AM
I believe they all knew about Sandusky when they forced him to retire in 1999 and that's a coverup.
 
2013-03-14 09:54:39 AM
I heard Franco on the local sports talk radio station talking about Paterno a few months back when he hosted one of those town hall meetings around here.  You can get an idea of what he said from the following:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/11/franco-harris-bl as ts-joepas-firing/

This paragraph sums it up nicely:
"When I heard that, it blew my mind," Harris said. "Why would they bring the moral into the legal? Now, everyone gets to interpret in their own way. That's what really bothers me: Joe did what was right for him to do. He forwarded the information to his superiors. That's the legal procedure at Penn State.

"That's the legal procedure at Penn State"  *sigh*
 
2013-03-14 09:54:42 AM

Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.


This. A few athletes caught smoking pot? Sure, that sort of thing you can "handle" internally, no problem. Child RAPE? No. If you have the slightest suspicion that a child has been raped, the ONLY proper course of action is immediately calling the state police and telling them all you know. Anything short of that is inappropriate.
 
2013-03-14 09:54:45 AM
Your ass is grass if you owe a $12.99 hotel tab, though
 
2013-03-14 10:02:45 AM

BunkyBrewman: "That's the legal procedure at Penn State" *sigh*


He should ask the three guys currently facing prosecution if that ship floats.
 
2013-03-14 10:08:33 AM
Can we get a Pennsyltucky tag yet?
 
2013-03-14 10:15:24 AM

you have pee hands: BunkyBrewman: "That's the legal procedure at Penn State" *sigh*

He should ask the three guys currently facing prosecution if that ship floats.


That ginger bastard who did nothing to stop a child rape he actually witnessed is protected as a whistleblower. So yeah, it floats if you report it, they didn't. JoePa reported it
 
2013-03-14 10:29:42 AM

Champion of the Sun: you have pee hands: BunkyBrewman: "That's the legal procedure at Penn State" *sigh*

He should ask the three guys currently facing prosecution if that ship floats.

That ginger bastard who did nothing to stop a child rape he actually witnessed is protected as a whistleblower. So yeah, it floats if you report it, they didn't. JoePa reported it


He reported it to several underlings and then ignored 9 years of no action while allowing a predator to continue to use his facilities. How noble.
 
2013-03-14 10:35:32 AM
Don't forget warmers
 
2013-03-14 10:38:04 AM
When you ride with Joe Pa you ride straight to hell
 
2013-03-14 10:38:29 AM

Weaver95: BunkyBrewman: Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.

As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.

Oh they can stick their fingers in their ears and yell as loud as they want but...it's not gonna work.  Paterno was a key figure in the cover up and thats just all there is to it.


2.bp.blogspot.com
From a cover-up to being covered up... Oh how the mighty have fallen...
 
2013-03-14 10:39:33 AM

mikaloyd: Can we get a Pennsyltucky tag yet?


What do you think the DUMBASS tag is for?
 
2013-03-14 10:46:33 AM

HaywoodJablonski: mikaloyd: Can we get a Pennsyltucky tag yet?

What do you think the DUMBASS tag is for?


Hey, hey there.  Dumbasses have no known geographical boundaries.
 
2013-03-14 10:49:22 AM

Champion of the Sun: So yeah, it floats if you report it, they didn't. JoePa reported it


If JoePa wanted things to happen, he had the sway to make people jump.

People didn't jump. What does that tell you?
 
2013-03-14 10:53:55 AM
The whole Freeh report denial thing blows my mind.  The Freeh Report was done so the BoT could figure out how farked they were.  They wanted the report to come back and say "You're not that farked, it was just Sandusky operating as a lone wolf figure."  That would response would let PSU duck the more serious cover up charges and the like since they could paint Sandusky as some kind of cagey master of deception of suckered everyone.  In turn that meant less trouble with the federal government (you can lose federal funding for failure to report crimes), less trouble with the NCAA, and less trouble with the B1G (Delany is still reserving the right to impose sanctions in excess of the NCAA).  Instead the Freeh report came back with "You're farked" written on it.  The BoT accepted it and the intelligent ones ran off to plea bargain with the NCAA.

Now the PSU truthers somehow think a tailor made report purchased by the Paterno family to clear their Patriarch's name is somehow more valid than a report done by the BoT.  The BoT had every motivation in the world to generate a credible report that found their beloved coach and their administration mostly blameless and they couldn't.  That says really all you need to know.

/plus of course the Paterno family is doing is this before Curley, Spanier, and Schultz all go on trial and potentially spill their guts to get lesser sentences.
 
2013-03-14 10:56:42 AM
Question to JoePa defenders: What if it was your son or younger brother who was being raped by Sandusky? Would you still feel Joe did the right thing by telling his "bosses" once and not doing anything else about it?
 
2013-03-14 10:57:06 AM

oryx: I believe they all knew about Sandusky when they forced him to retire in 1999 and that's a coverup.


They likely also had to somehow convey to other schools he was radioactive in some way.  He was 55 and fairly good D-Coord and in 1999, lesser schools should have been all over him.  PSU must have somehow been warning the other schools that the 1998 rape accusation was legit and they wanted to avoid him.
 
2013-03-14 11:03:59 AM
I get the PSU fan's thinking.  Their program has been wrapped up and affiliated with one man for so long that to accept what Paterno did (or didn't do) is to somehow accept that your whole belief system is a fraud.  It's sad (no I am not equating it to what Sandusky's victims went through, it is possible to discuss both without comparing them btw) and I really do feel for them.  One day this will end and PSU will be just another B1G program but it will be years and years
 
2013-03-14 11:16:57 AM

ha-ha-guy: oryx: I believe they all knew about Sandusky when they forced him to retire in 1999 and that's a coverup.

They likely also had to somehow convey to other schools he was radioactive in some way.  He was 55 and fairly good D-Coord and in 1999, lesser schools should have been all over him.  PSU must have somehow been warning the other schools that the 1998 rape accusation was legit and they wanted to avoid him.


^ This.
 
2013-03-14 11:30:10 AM
Or, y'know, the rape accusations were public record. But go on building Paterno's superpowers, because I'm sure that people who have never been so much as in Pennsylvania know about how all the relationships worked within the university and the police and state police.

/never been to Pennsylvania
//don't spend my time talking about how I know how people (Jews, Illuminati, football coaches) control the police and the government
 
2013-03-14 11:34:18 AM

BunkyBrewman: As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.


Don't worry about him. The second he meets any resistance he'll run to the sidelines.
 
2013-03-14 11:35:34 AM

ha-ha-guy: oryx: I believe they all knew about Sandusky when they forced him to retire in 1999 and that's a coverup.

They likely also had to somehow convey to other schools he was radioactive in some way.  He was 55 and fairly good D-Coord and in 1999, lesser schools should have been all over him.  PSU must have somehow been warning the other schools that the 1998 rape accusation was legit and they wanted to avoid him.


I think that same radioactivity might have effected other coaches there, because Tom Bradley (after realizing Joe would never retire) put his name out there for a few head coaching jobs and was never really considered. And he would have been perfect for quite a few of the jobs on the surface.

Not saying Bradley was diddling kids too, but just saying that might have been another indication that other schools knew something was up at PSU and didn't want to deal with anyone even closely associated with it
 
2013-03-14 11:36:04 AM

Hang On Voltaire: I get the PSU fan's thinking.  Their program has been wrapped up and affiliated with one man for so long that to accept what Paterno did (or didn't do) is to somehow accept that your whole belief system is a fraud.  It's sad (no I am not equating it to what Sandusky's victims went through, it is possible to discuss both without comparing them btw) and I really do feel for them.  One day this will end and PSU will be just another B1G program but it will be years and years


I don't get it.

those guys in Columbus got rid of tressel even though he won, got Lloyd Carr canned, and so on. the program shouldn't be a cult of personality.

if woody did the same, or if Bo did the same as joepa, I don't see how our alumni would do the same as Penn State. I just don't. the rational voices would win out.

and if I can't see the people in Ohio being so misguided, how can I understand the joepa people being so delusional?

i just don't see it. I just can't understand it, and I can't have a lot of empathy for it.

Catholics in this country have a lot to answer for... but this is football for God's sake! it's not blind defense of even a religious creed. and yet this is a bigger cult than Catholicism for some.
 
2013-03-14 11:38:13 AM

TDWCom29: I think that same radioactivity might have effected other coaches there, because Tom Bradley (after realizing Joe would never retire) put his name out there for a few head coaching jobs and was never really considered. And he would have been perfect for quite a few of the jobs on the surface.

Not saying Bradley was diddling kids too, but just saying that might have been another indication that other schools knew something was up at PSU and didn't want to deal with anyone even closely associated with it


Yup. Totally plausible that every university knew about this for a decade and no one ever said anything.
 
2013-03-14 11:46:27 AM

IAmRight: TDWCom29: I think that same radioactivity might have effected other coaches there, because Tom Bradley (after realizing Joe would never retire) put his name out there for a few head coaching jobs and was never really considered. And he would have been perfect for quite a few of the jobs on the surface.

Not saying Bradley was diddling kids too, but just saying that might have been another indication that other schools knew something was up at PSU and didn't want to deal with anyone even closely associated with it

Yup. Totally plausible that every university knew about this for a decade and no one ever said anything.


There could have been rumors floating around for years. This happens and sometimes those rumors are bad enough that people don't want to take a chance on the people involved with the rumors.

Also it is kinda strange that not to many PSU coaches from that era went on to better coaching jobs at other schools.
 
2013-03-14 11:47:36 AM

legion_of_doo: if woody did the same, or if Bo did the same as joepa, I don't see how our alumni would do the same as Penn State. I just don't. the rational voices would win out.


I'd imagine in the case of Woody or Bo, they'd have held a press conference in 1998 to explain why the D-Coord's severed head was suddenly on a spike in front of the stadium as a "warning to others".  Graceful retirement to focus on your charity was not on the table, so much as the players of the team are dispatched with orders to find you and bring you before Bo or Woody (and no questions will be asked about broken bones, etc).
 
2013-03-14 11:53:03 AM

Marcus Aurelius: HaywoodJablonski: mikaloyd: Can we get a Pennsyltucky tag yet?

What do you think the DUMBASS tag is for?

Hey, hey there.  Dumbasses have no known geographical boundaries.


Incorrect. We have Florida for Florida, Dumbass for Pennsyltucky, and Stupid, Asinine and Weird for everything else
 
2013-03-14 11:56:42 AM

IAmRight: Totally plausible that every university knew about this for a decade and no one ever said anything.


It would take a person of real character and strength to call attention to that situation.  Good luck finding one in college football.
 
2013-03-14 12:00:52 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Marcus Aurelius: HaywoodJablonski: mikaloyd: Can we get a Pennsyltucky tag yet?

What do you think the DUMBASS tag is for?

Hey, hey there.  Dumbasses have no known geographical boundaries.

Incorrect. We have Florida for Florida, Dumbass for Pennsyltucky, and Stupid, Asinine and Weird for everything else


That's odd, because recent "Dumbass" tags seem to be pointing at Texas.
 
2013-03-14 12:02:12 PM

yequalsy: BunkyBrewman: As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.

Don't worry about him. The second he meets any resistance he'll run to the sidelines.


Don't sell him short, remember one time he accidentally a touchdown.
 
2013-03-14 12:05:14 PM
legion_of_doo:

I don't get it.

those guys in Columbus got rid of tressel even though he won, got Lloyd Carr canned, and so on. the program shouldn't be a cult of personality.

if woody did the same, or if Bo did the same as joepa, I don't see how our alumni would do the same as Penn State. I just don't. the rational voices would win out.

and if I can't see the people in Ohio being so misguided, how can I understand the joepa people being so delusional?

i just don't see it. I just can't understand it, and I can't have a lot of empathy for it.

Catholics in this country have a lot to answer for... but this is football for God's sake! it's not blind defense of even a religious creed. and yet this is a bigger cult than Catholicism for some.


I didn't say I agree with it, just said I get it.
 
2013-03-14 12:17:16 PM
Subby, don't forget climate change deniers and evolution deniers.
 
2013-03-14 12:20:18 PM
If your reality cannot withstand scrutiny, then it isn't real.
 
2013-03-14 12:20:31 PM

Marcus Aurelius: HaywoodJablonski: Marcus Aurelius: HaywoodJablonski: mikaloyd: Can we get a Pennsyltucky tag yet?

What do you think the DUMBASS tag is for?

Hey, hey there.  Dumbasses have no known geographical boundaries.

Incorrect. We have Florida for Florida, Dumbass for Pennsyltucky, and Stupid, Asinine and Weird for everything else

That's odd, because recent "Dumbass" tags seem to be pointing at Texas.


Those submitters need educatin'
 
2013-03-14 12:48:18 PM
The difference between the "Paternoistas" and Birthers/Truthers/Mooners etc.... is that Paterno actually has a case....as much as the media wants to deny such

The Paterno Family will win their lawsuit vs the NCAA because the US Supreme Court has already ruled against the NCAA in Tarkanian v NCAA in that the NCAA must give due process to individuals before handing down punishments....when they stripped Paterno of his wins there was no due process given to Paterno (he was already dead) nor to his family or estate. The NCAA will lose the Paterno lawsuit....that is if they really want to embarrass themselves over defending the Freeh Report in court.

A first week law student would realize the NCAA will lose vs Paterno based on already established SCOTUS precedent
 
2013-03-14 12:53:52 PM

IAmRight: Or, y'know, the rape accusations were public record. But go on building Paterno's superpowers, because I'm sure that people who have never been so much as in Pennsylvania know about how all the relationships worked within the university and the police and state police.

/never been to Pennsylvania
//don't spend my time talking about how I know how people (Jews, Illuminati, football coaches) control the police and the government


His superpower did include his ability to tell the Board of Trustees that he was not fired when they tried to fire him about 9 years ago. That's pretty impressive.
 
2013-03-14 12:58:34 PM
Its simple. Suppose Paterno had been told that it was one of his grandsons being abused by Sandusky. Do you HONESTLY think that under those circumstances he would have just "reported the incident to higher ups?" If you can not answer yes to that question you can NOT defend Paterno in any way.
 
2013-03-14 01:05:52 PM

Moopy Mac: His superpower did include his ability to tell the Board of Trustees that he was not fired when they tried to fire him about 9 years ago. That's pretty impressive.


He stole the idea from George Costanza.
 
2013-03-14 01:10:34 PM

FloridaFarkTag: The difference between the "Paternoistas" and Birthers/Truthers/Mooners etc.... is that Paterno actually has a case....as much as the media wants to deny such

The Paterno Family will win their lawsuit vs the NCAA because the US Supreme Court has already ruled against the NCAA in Tarkanian v NCAA in that the NCAA must give due process to individuals before handing down punishments....when they stripped Paterno of his wins there was no due process given to Paterno (he was already dead) nor to his family or estate. The NCAA will lose the Paterno lawsuit....that is if they really want to embarrass themselves over defending the Freeh Report in court.

A first week law student would realize the NCAA will lose vs Paterno based on already established SCOTUS precedent


"Vacating wins" is possibly the stupidest punishment ever devised by the NCAA (among others).  It's something a three year old would do.
 
2013-03-14 01:11:46 PM

Moopy Mac: His superpower did include his ability to tell the Board of Trustees that he was not fired when they tried to fire him about 9 years ago. That's pretty impressive.


He was a doddering, confused, yet affable old man who suddenly demonstrated the capriciousness and acuity to so adamantly fight for his job and tell those above him to fark off. But remember, he's a doddering, confused, yet affable old man.
 
2013-03-14 01:12:02 PM

Delawheredad: Its simple. Suppose Paterno had been told that it was one of his grandsons being abused by Sandusky. Do you HONESTLY think that under those circumstances he would have just "reported the incident to higher ups?" If you can not answer yes to that question you can NOT defend Paterno in any way.


That's a tough one. JoePa was funneling lots of deals through the second mile. He had a ton of money to lose by exposing Sandusky.
 
2013-03-14 01:13:36 PM

FloridaFarkTag: The Paterno Family will win their lawsuit vs the NCAA because the US Supreme Court has already ruled against the NCAA in Tarkanian v NCAA in that the NCAA must give due process to individuals before handing down punishments....when they stripped Paterno of his wins there was no due process given to Paterno (he was already dead) nor to his family or estate. The NCAA will lose the Paterno lawsuit....that is if they really want to embarrass themselves over defending the Freeh Report in court.


They didn't punish Paterno directly.  They stripped Penn State of its wins.  They have the power to vacate team's wins and do it fairly frequently.
 
2013-03-14 01:13:51 PM

Killer Cars: He was a doddering, confused, yet affable old man who suddenly demonstrated the capriciousness and acuity to so adamantly fight for his job and tell those above him to fark off. But remember, he's a doddering, confused, yet affable old man.


Because you know how that went down.
 
2013-03-14 01:23:46 PM

IAmRight: Because you know how that went down


Look, if I can't make conjectures under some semblance of anonymity while on an internet message board while bored at work, what else am I to do? More work?
 
2013-03-14 01:24:17 PM

LarryDan43: Delawheredad: Its simple. Suppose Paterno had been told that it was one of his grandsons being abused by Sandusky. Do you HONESTLY think that under those circumstances he would have just "reported the incident to higher ups?" If you can not answer yes to that question you can NOT defend Paterno in any way.

That's a tough one. JoePa was funneling lots of deals through the second mile. He had a ton of money to lose by exposing Sandusky.


This. JoePa had a lot of money invested in local real estate development that took advantage of the Second Mile's tax free status.
 
2013-03-14 01:38:50 PM
Ah yes, time again for everyone who was called names by football players in high school to  vent their years-old pent up butthurt.

They can't hurt you anymore
 
2013-03-14 01:50:41 PM

doubled99: Ah yes, time again for everyone who was called names by football players in high school to  vent their years-old pent up butthurt.

They can't hurt you anymore


Yup, that's what this is TOTALLY about.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you were a farktard long before the CTE set in?

// Managed to play 8 years of football without committing child rape. Miraculous I know!
 
2013-03-14 01:54:30 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: I'm just sad he died before seeing his legacy raped like an underprivileged kid.


Don't worry, the Internet can fill in the gaps in evidence/facts with the most vile conjecture imaginable, and nobody can be held accountable for inaccuracies.
 
2013-03-14 01:58:23 PM

Marcus Aurelius: "Vacating wins" is possibly the stupidest punishment ever devised by the NCAA (among others). It's something a three year old would do.


It only makes sense when the team's wins were achieved through dishonest means.

This was the NCAA "making an example by all available means".
 
2013-03-14 02:01:35 PM
Also, those that believe Obama was born in Hawaii.
 
2013-03-14 02:02:23 PM

FloridaFarkTag: when they stripped Paterno of his wins there was no due process given to Paterno (he was already dead) nor to his family or estate.


If he was already dead, then he wasn't punished.
Also, it is a little known fact that winning records are subject to a 100% estate tax, and are not inheritable.
 
2013-03-14 02:09:00 PM

forever_blowing_bubbles: doubled99: Ah yes, time again for everyone who was called names by football players in high school to  vent their years-old pent up butthurt.

They can't hurt you anymore

Yup, that's what this is TOTALLY about.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you were a farktard long before the CTE set in?

// Managed to play 8 years of football without committing child rape. Miraculous I know!


Just means that you were a bottom.
 
2013-03-14 02:12:57 PM

GoldSpider: Marcus Aurelius: "Vacating wins" is possibly the stupidest punishment ever devised by the NCAA (among others). It's something a three year old would do.

It only makes sense when the team's wins were achieved through dishonest means.

This was the NCAA "making an example by all available means".


It constitutes the actions of a three year old mind set regardless of how it is applied.  Adults are aware that you cannot go back in time and change things from the past, no matter how much you might like to.
 
2013-03-14 02:21:02 PM

Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.


I'm confused which side is supposed to be equivilent to "truthers" here. It's somehow not the side arguing against "The experts determined that the conclusions of the (university) report are based on raw speculation and unsupported opinion -- not facts and evidence." AND "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

But I suppose we can just hand wave all that by saying that the report is somehow bias, without actually being able to offer any type of logical rebuttal. Freeh didn't even argue against it other than to say he stands by his opinions that are entirely based on speculation.

And lastly, the concept that Penn State would want their report to be without fault is laughable. They wanted it to be harsh so they could say to the NCAA, "see we took the responsibility to identify the faults and attempt to correct them, don't punish us as harshly!"

The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.
 
2013-03-14 02:26:12 PM

GoldSpider: Don't worry, the Internet can fill in the gaps in evidence/facts with the most vile conjecture imaginable, and nobody can be held accountable for inaccuracies.


Look, here's the thing- and this is really a sticking point for me: I don't see how anyone can deny that Joe Paterno had quite a bit of power in State College, PA. At a bare minimum, he had a legion of fans who would basically do, well, whatever he asked of them and a local media that- and again, this is a bare minimum- seemed appreciative of him.

He also had a report of some kid-rapin' going on, which he- and again, we're talking BARE MINUMUM here- felt was credible enough to take to his superiors. I find it unimaginable that he wouldn't have asked a follow-up question a few days later, along the lines of "Hey... um... has anybody talked to Sandusky? Like, law enforcement types?" I ask this, because UNDER OATH, in front of a grand jury, Paterno testified that he was told about Sandusky "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature" to a kid.

If Joe Paterno had wanted to do so, he could have picked up the phone in 2002 and put an end to everything. He could have given an anonymous tip to a reporter that Sandusky was diddling kids, Penn State knew it, and nothing was happening. He could have called a press conference, and said "I believe Penn State is trying to cover up a crime". He could have resigned, simply saying "this institution does not live up to the standards I thought it would", and leaving it at that. He could have done any number of things, and we'd remember him today as a hero with the courage of his convictions.

Instead, he did as little as imaginably possible. Virtually nothing, for whatever reason you'd like to give. Because of that, at a very BARE MINIMUM, he is complicit in every rape of a small child that Jerry Sandusky committed from February 2001 on. He could have stopped it. He had the power to do so. He didn't.
 
2013-03-14 02:27:13 PM
What I honestly can't figure out, though, is how Governor Tom Corbett has managed to escape any blame.  When he was PA Attorney General, his office received allegations of Sandusky's crimes and did....nothing, for 33 months.  Now that was a serious dereliction of duty, and somehow it's almost completely escaped scrutiny.
 
2013-03-14 02:34:52 PM

FloridaFarkTag: The difference between the "Paternoistas" and Birthers/Truthers/Mooners etc.... is that Paterno actually has a case....as much as the media wants to deny such


Hell, I'm of the opinion that the vengeance vultures are closer to the Birthers/Truthers/Mooners than anyone defending Joe Paterno.

/Those defending Jerry Sandusky, on the other hand...
//But no one here is defending Jerry Sandusky, by proxy or otherwise.
 
2013-03-14 02:36:26 PM

The Third Man: What I honestly can't figure out, though, is how Governor Tom Corbett has managed to escape any blame.  When he was PA Attorney General, his office received allegations of Sandusky's crimes and did....nothing, for 33 months.  Now that was a serious dereliction of duty, and somehow it's almost completely escaped scrutiny.


And that's how you know the vengeance vultures are out for blood and not true justice.

/When you're out for blood, anyone's will do, and once you're sated, you don't care anymore.
 
2013-03-14 02:37:07 PM

Gonz: He also had a report of some kid-rapin' going on, which he- and again, we're talking BARE MINUMUM here- felt was credible enough to take to his superiors. I find it unimaginable that he wouldn't have asked a follow-up question a few days later, along the lines of "Hey... um... has anybody talked to Sandusky? Like, law enforcement types?" I ask this, because UNDER OATH, in front of a grand jury, Paterno testified that he was told about Sandusky "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature" to a kid.


I and a lot of other people would love to know why he didn't do more, why he may have felt he'd done enough, etc.  Unfortunately he died before he could be put on the stand and give a full, on-the-record accounting of his handling of the situation.  We will never know the answer to a lot of these questions, and we're going to have to live with that.

I see no value in contributions from people who presume to know Paterno well enough that they think they can answer these questions.  They can't.
 
2013-03-14 02:41:19 PM
Can we also toss in the anti-vaxers and the people who think that aspartame is evil?
 
2013-03-14 02:47:59 PM

Tiberius Gracchus: forever_blowing_bubbles: doubled99: Ah yes, time again for everyone who was called names by football players in high school to  vent their years-old pent up butthurt.

They can't hurt you anymore

Yup, that's what this is TOTALLY about.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you were a farktard long before the CTE set in?

// Managed to play 8 years of football without committing child rape. Miraculous I know!

Just means that you were a bottom.


Haha, yeah ... how you been Coach?
 
2013-03-14 02:56:58 PM

justtray: Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.

I'm confused which side is supposed to be equivilent to "truthers" here. It's somehow not the side arguing against "The experts determined that the conclusions of the (university) report are based on raw speculation and unsupported opinion -- not facts and evidence." AND "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

But I suppose we can just hand wave all that by saying that the report is somehow bias, without actually being able to offer any type of logical rebuttal. Freeh didn't even argue against it other than to say he stands by his opinions that are entirely based on speculation.

And lastly, the concept that Penn State would want their report to be without fault is laughable. They wanted it to be harsh so they could say to the NCAA, "see we took the responsibility to identify the faults and attempt to correct them, don't punish us as harshly!"

The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.


The Freeh report: 430 interviews conducted, 3.5 million e-mails and documents examined, carried out by a team of investigators that cost $8.1 million.

Jackass Paterno Truther: "opinions are solely based on wild speculation"

Well, I know who I should believe!
 
2013-03-14 03:15:35 PM
FTA: This also will be the first trustee meeting since the Paterno family released its own report, which absolved the coach of wrongdoing in the scandal.

Wait, you're telling me that the Paterno family report says Paterno did nothing wrong?
 
2013-03-14 03:23:45 PM

forever_blowing_bubbles: justtray: Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.

I'm confused which side is supposed to be equivilent to "truthers" here. It's somehow not the side arguing against "The experts determined that the conclusions of the (university) report are based on raw speculation and unsupported opinion -- not facts and evidence." AND "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

But I suppose we can just hand wave all that by saying that the report is somehow bias, without actually being able to offer any type of logical rebuttal. Freeh didn't even argue against it other than to say he stands by his opinions that are entirely based on speculation.

And lastly, the concept that Penn State would want their report to be without fault is laughable. They wanted it to be harsh so they could say to the NCAA, "see we took the responsibility to identify the faults and attempt to correct them, don't punish us as harshly!"

The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.

The Freeh report: 430 interviews conducted, 3.5 million e-mails and documents examined, carried out by a team of investigators that cost $8.1 million.

Jackass Paterno Truther: "opinions are solely based on wild speculation"

Well, I know who I should believe!


The one that has no facts to support their wild speculation, even after interviewing 430 people and searching through 3.5 million emails?

Like I said, The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.

Remember, not even Freeh himself refuted the claim that his conclusion was based with no factual basis and only in speculation.
 
2013-03-14 03:53:51 PM
Heres the reason Joe covered it up.

In the 2000-2004 seasons, he had 4 losing seasons out of 5.  I remember speculation in the sports press at that time that his days were numbered, he was an old coach, and the trustees wanted him out.  In the middle of this, Sandusky.

Joe is worried that if he outs Sandusky, Joe gets canned as well.  So Joe effectlvely squashes the matter, with the help of school employees who for various reasons also feel threatened by the potential fallout.

From 2005 to 2011, he has all winning seasons.  His power against the trustees is restored, but nothing has ever come out about Sandusky, so Joe figures he doesn't need to do anything about it, it's a safely buried matter.

Then it blows up.
 
2013-03-14 03:55:36 PM

justtray: forever_blowing_bubbles: justtray: Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.

I'm confused which side is supposed to be equivilent to "truthers" here. It's somehow not the side arguing against "The experts determined that the conclusions of the (university) report are based on raw speculation and unsupported opinion -- not facts and evidence." AND "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

But I suppose we can just hand wave all that by saying that the report is somehow bias, without actually being able to offer any type of logical rebuttal. Freeh didn't even argue against it other than to say he stands by his opinions that are entirely based on speculation.

And lastly, the concept that Penn State would want their report to be without fault is laughable. They wanted it to be harsh so they could say to the NCAA, "see we took the responsibility to identify the faults and attempt to correct them, don't punish us as harshly!"

The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.

The Freeh report: 430 interviews conducted, 3.5 million e-mails and documents examined, carried out by a team of investigators that cost $8.1 million.

Jackass Paterno Truther: "opinions are solely based on wild speculation"

Well, I know who I should believe!

The one that has no facts to support their wild speculation, even after interviewing 430 people and searching through 3.5 million emails?

Like I said, The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.

Remember, not even Freeh himself refuted the claim that his conclusion was based with no factual basis and only in speculation.


ORLY?
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2013/feb/10/paterno-family-chall en ges-freeh-report-report-thei/

The former federal judge said evidence showed Paterno was involved in an "active agreement to conceal" and his report cited email exchanges, which referenced Paterno, between administrators about allegations against Sandusky in 1998 and 2001.
...

Freeh on Sunday cited grand jury testimony by Paterno in 2011 in which Paterno said a graduate assistant relayed to him a 2001 allegation against Sandusky of a "sexual nature" with a child.

He referred to a key point in the July report in which he said Spanier, Schultz and Curley drew up a plan that called for reporting Sandusky to the state Department of Public Welfare in 2001. But Curley later said in an email that he changed his mind "after giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe."


// In short, you're a koolaid drinking moron. JoePa is dead, he's not going to fark you whtie knight!
// Glad he is dead and hope Sandusky and him are together soon.
 
2013-03-14 04:12:38 PM

GoldSpider: PC LOAD LETTER: I'm just sad he died before seeing his legacy raped like an underprivileged kid.

Don't worry, the Internet can fill in the gaps in evidence/facts with the most vile conjecture imaginable, and nobody can be held accountable for inaccuracies.


Like 9/11, right?
 
2013-03-14 04:27:51 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Like 9/11, right?


9/11 Truthers "know" what the government knew the same as the Paterno-haters "know" what he knew.
 
2013-03-14 04:49:06 PM

forever_blowing_bubbles: justtray: forever_blowing_bubbles: justtray: Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.

I'm confused which side is supposed to be equivilent to "truthers" here. It's somehow not the side arguing against "The experts determined that the conclusions of the (university) report are based on raw speculation and unsupported opinion -- not facts and evidence." AND "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

But I suppose we can just hand wave all that by saying that the report is somehow bias, without actually being able to offer any type of logical rebuttal. Freeh didn't even argue against it other than to say he stands by his opinions that are entirely based on speculation.

And lastly, the concept that Penn State would want their report to be without fault is laughable. They wanted it to be harsh so they could say to the NCAA, "see we took the responsibility to identify the faults and attempt to correct them, don't punish us as harshly!"

The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.

The Freeh report: 430 interviews conducted, 3.5 million e-mails and documents examined, carried out by a team of investigators that cost $8.1 million.

Jackass Paterno Truther: "opinions are solely based on wild speculation"

Well, I know who I should believe!

The one that has no facts to support their wild speculation, even after interviewing 430 people and searching through 3.5 million emails?

Like I said, The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.

Remember, not even Freeh himself refuted the claim that his conclusion was based with no factual basis and only in speculation.

ORLY?
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2013/feb/10/paterno-family-chall en ges-fre ...


Good out of context quotes there. Way to be totally dishonest. Lets look at some other segments of YOUR link that refute these out of context quotes.

The counter-offensive began in earnest this weekend. The family's findings said that Paterno:
- Never asked or told anyone not to investigate an allegation against Sandusky 12 years ago, Saturday, Feb. 9, 2001.
- Never asked or told former administrators not to report the 2001 allegation.
- And never asked or told anyone not to discuss or hide information reported by graduate assistant Mike McQueary about the 2001 allegation.
"Paterno reported the information to his superior(s) pursuant to his understanding of university protocol and relied upon them to investigate and report as appropriate," the family's analysis said.


And now the self righteousness -
Said Freeh on Sunday: "These men exhibited a striking lack of empathy for Sandusky's victims by failing to inquire as to their safety and well-being, especially by not even attempting to determine the identity of the child" in the 2001 allegation.

And now another piece still from your source, not refuted-
The Paterno family report said Freeh chose not to "present alternative, more plausible, conclusions" about Paterno's actions.

The facts remain, Paterno was told about an instance in 2001, reported it as he was required, at which point it was no longer his moral or legal responsibility. Any other notion of "well he should have known he was dealing with child rape and done more," is nothing more than self righteous BS, much like the Freeh report itself.

You're going to need more than "after giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe" with no context whatsoever to have any legitimate claim of a coverup involving Paterno.
 
2013-03-14 04:52:02 PM

forever_blowing_bubbles: justtray: forever_blowing_bubbles: justtray: Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.

I'm confused which side is supposed to be equivilent to "truthers" here. It's somehow not the side arguing against "The experts determined that the conclusions of the (university) report are based on raw speculation and unsupported opinion -- not facts and evidence." AND "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

But I suppose we can just hand wave all that by saying that the report is somehow bias, without actually being able to offer any type of logical rebuttal. Freeh didn't even argue against it other than to say he stands by his opinions that are entirely based on speculation.

And lastly, the concept that Penn State would want their report to be without fault is laughable. They wanted it to be harsh so they could say to the NCAA, "see we took the responsibility to identify the faults and attempt to correct them, don't punish us as harshly!"

The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.

The Freeh report: 430 interviews conducted, 3.5 million e-mails and documents examined, carried out by a team of investigators that cost $8.1 million.

Jackass Paterno Truther: "opinions are solely based on wild speculation"

Well, I know who I should believe!

The one that has no facts to support their wild speculation, even after interviewing 430 people and searching through 3.5 million emails?

Like I said, The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.

Remember, not even Freeh himself refuted the claim that his conclusion was based with no factual basis and only in speculation.

ORLY?
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2013/feb/10/paterno-family-chall en ges-fre ...


And just to add on, you're a farking idiot who thinks with his emotions rather than logic. Hopefully morons like you are never in any position of legal authority, but sadly, if that were the case, we wouldn't get invalid BS like the Freeh report.

And before you accuse me, I have no relation to Penn State at all. I just don't like dumbasses replacing facts with their own preconceived notions for the purpose of witch hunts.
 
2013-03-14 04:52:55 PM
The freeh report looked at 3.5m emails. I trust their conclusions on JoePa, a man who never wrote or read an email.
 
2013-03-14 05:03:27 PM

justtray: Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.

I'm confused which side is supposed to be equivilent to "truthers" here. It's somehow not the side arguing against "The experts determined that the conclusions of the (university) report are based on raw speculation and unsupported opinion -- not facts and evidence." AND "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

But I suppose we can just hand wave all that by saying that the report is somehow bias, without actually being able to offer any type of logical rebuttal. Freeh didn't even argue against it other than to say he stands by his opinions that are entirely based on speculation.

And lastly, the concept that Penn State would want their report to be without fault is laughable. They wanted it to be harsh so they could say to the NCAA, "see we took the responsibility to identify the faults and attempt to correct them, don't punish us as harshly!"

The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.


You'd better take that up with Louis Freeh.  He was called on because of his known integrity, and by all accounts the trustees were surprised by his conclusions.  The man has credibility.
 
2013-03-14 05:24:45 PM

justtray: The facts remain, Paterno was told about an instance in 2001, reported it as he was required, at which point it was no longer his moral or legal responsibility. Any other notion of "well he should have known he was dealing with child rape and done more," is nothing more than self righteous BS, much like the Freeh report itself.

You're going to need more than "after giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe" with no context whatsoever to have any legitimate claim of a coverup involving Paterno.


Why should Freeh be obligated to respond to a spurious report containing no facts released by people with an obvious bias?  And even if he were, why are you ignoring the fact that the Freeh report was released far earlier, so of course the second responds to the first while the first doesn't respond to the second?  And why do you think doing the most basic reporting up the chain and never following up fulfills someones moral obligation when they hear about child rape?  I don't think you're totally sure what facts are.
 
2013-03-14 05:25:09 PM
Behind every Penn State truther is a guy who's pissed he had to spend a Sunday afternoon scraping the Nittany Lions decal off his truck bumper because he didn't want to get egged/keyed.
 
2013-03-14 05:32:53 PM

cefm: Behind every Penn State truther is a guy who's pissed he had to spend a Sunday afternoon scraping the Nittany Lions decal off his truck bumper because he didn't want to get egged/keyed.


I haven't heard of anything like that in happy valley, or throughout Pennsyltucky.

/getting tired of seeing my old friends on FB still defending Paterno though
//they scream louder now more than ever
 
2013-03-14 05:38:46 PM

cefm: Behind every Penn State truther is a guy who's pissed he had to spend a Sunday afternoon scraping the Nittany Lions decal off his truck bumper because he didn't want to get egged/keyed.


Penn State bumper stickers were more popular than ever at the height of the scandal.  It was like some kind of weird badge of courage.

The bottom line is that Joe Pa was a religious figure around here.  It's like finding out that Jesus took off when the good samaritan picked up the cross.
 
2013-03-14 05:45:48 PM

Marcus Aurelius: cefm: Behind every Penn State truther is a guy who's pissed he had to spend a Sunday afternoon scraping the Nittany Lions decal off his truck bumper because he didn't want to get egged/keyed.

Penn State bumper stickers were more popular than ever at the height of the scandal.  It was like some kind of weird badge of courage.

The bottom line is that Joe Pa was a religious figure around here.  It's like finding out that Jesus took off when the good samaritan picked up the cross.


Well, you can't be too judgmental. people differ as to what's important. Some people think protecting kids is one of the most important things in life - to other folks, it's college football.
There's no accounting for personal taste.
 
2013-03-14 05:51:47 PM

jso2897: Marcus Aurelius: cefm: Behind every Penn State truther is a guy who's pissed he had to spend a Sunday afternoon scraping the Nittany Lions decal off his truck bumper because he didn't want to get egged/keyed.

Penn State bumper stickers were more popular than ever at the height of the scandal.  It was like some kind of weird badge of courage.

The bottom line is that Joe Pa was a religious figure around here.  It's like finding out that Jesus took off when the good samaritan picked up the cross.

Well, you can't be too judgmental. people differ as to what's important. Some people think protecting kids is one of the most important things in life - to other folks, it's college football.
There's no accounting for personal taste.


You ain't nver gona beat Penn State nashion!
 
2013-03-14 06:52:08 PM

johnnylarue: Question to JoePa defenders: What if it was your son or younger brother who was being raped by Sandusky? Would you still feel Joe did the right thing by telling his "bosses" once and not doing anything else about it?


Nothing, because you can't prove anything, this is a witch hunt, and football. Also football, football, and football.

/football
 
2013-03-14 08:07:45 PM
I just have never understood why this was an NCAA thing to regulate and punish.
The penalized were committed while he was not a football coach right?  It did not give them an advantage as a football program, they didnt cover up any players or recruiting violations, so why the football penalties from all i read Paterno hated the guy and the university actually gave him permission to use the facility not the football program.

All for the destruction and ruination of all involved that participated in a coverup, but taking away scholarships from student athletes and penalizing the university just doesnt seem right to me
 
2013-03-14 09:30:16 PM

WillofJ2: I just have never understood why this was an NCAA thing to regulate and punish.
The penalized were committed while he was not a football coach right?  It did not give them an advantage as a football program, they didnt cover up any players or recruiting violations, so why the football penalties from all i read Paterno hated the guy and the university actually gave him permission to use the facility not the football program.


Do you mean like the time Sandusky took the kid to the bowl game in Texas to rape him in the hotel room? Amd when the kid complained Sandusky told him to shut up or he'd send him home in disgrace. But if he stayed for more Sandusky loving he could be a walk on at PSU?  Would that be against NCAA rules? Or not in your mind?

Because all that is in the Grand Jury report if you simply botherd to read it..
 
2013-03-14 11:28:26 PM

WillofJ2: I just have never understood why this was an NCAA thing to regulate and punish.
The penalized were committed while he was not a football coach right?  It did not give them an advantage as a football program, they didnt cover up any players or recruiting violations, so why the football penalties from all i read Paterno hated the guy and the university actually gave him permission to use the facility not the football program.


Because  a university agrees to abide by its Constitution and Bylaws when voluntarily joining the NCAA.  Not all rules and bylaws are directed at specific factual circumstances or events, many are quite broad in nature and require that participating Universities adhere to certain ethical and moral precepts.

Below is the NCAA's Constitution Section 2.4 for example (which clearly would apply to what was going on at Penn State)  It wasn't just Paterno, it was the President, the Athletic Director and the VP of Finance who were involved in allowing this stuff to go on for so long.   (Paterno was the FACE of Penn State Football and had been for decades.  I doubt before these shenanigans made the news, everyone would be hard pressed to name the President of PSU, or for that matter the Basketball Coach - but a majority of people out there knew who Joe Paterno was.  They rode his image all the way to the bank, and when the time came to protect the reputation of the football program, which he was associated with, and which made big time bank the "leaders" of the University decided to protect him, their football program and the money it produced, rather than stop a pedophile predator.)

At the very crux of the matter, it was indeed the football program which caused them to act this way and avoid fulfilling their ethical and legal duties.  Do you really think they would have put themselves on the line if the facts presented to them identified some pedophile operating out of the music department; the Physics Lab; or even the Women's Volleyball Team?  No, they were out to protect the schools reputation as it was so intertwined with the Football program that the two were virtually inseparable.  Paterno was a demi-god and the most beloved and respected man in the state and they couldn't have his reputation tarnished, nor that of the football program, without it likewise causing significant harm to the School.

Thus, the actually set up the athletic department as something greater than their academic mission.  A classic case of letting the tail wag the dog.  As such, the athletic program is EXACTLY the place the punishment should have started.

2.4 The Principle of Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct.

For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program. It is the responsibility of each institution to:

(a) Establish policies for sportsmanship and ethical conduct in intercollegiate athletics consistent with the educational mission and goals of the institution; and

(b) Educate, on a continuing basis, all constituencies about the policies in this article.



Section 6 of the NCAA Constitution even specifies those at a University who is covered and required to act in a certain manner.

6.01.1 Institutional Control.

The control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the institution itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative control or faculty control, or a combination of the two, shall constitute institutional control.

6.4 Responsibilities for Actions of Outside Entities.

6.4.1 Independent Agencies or Organizations.


An institution's "responsibility" for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program shall include responsibility for the acts of an independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization when a member of the institution's executive or athletics administration, or an athletics department staff member, has knowledge that such agency, corporate entity or other organization is promoting the institution's intercollegiate athletics program.

6.4.2 Representatives of Athletics Interests.

An institution's "responsibility" for the conduct of its intercollegiate athletics program shall include responsibility for the acts of individuals, a corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer) or other organization when a member of the institution's executive or athletics administration or an athletics department staff member has knowledge or should have knowledge that such an individual, corporate entity or other organization:

(a) Has participated in or is a member of an agency or organization as described in Constitution 6.4.1;

(b) Has made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization of that institution;

(c) Has been requested by the athletics department staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes or is assisting in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes;

(d) Has assisted or is assisting in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes; or

(e) Is otherwise involved in promoting the institution's athletics program.
 
2013-03-14 11:47:34 PM

The Third Man: What I honestly can't figure out, though, is how Governor Tom Corbett has managed to escape any blame.  When he was PA Attorney General, his office received allegations of Sandusky's crimes and did....nothing, for 33 months.  Now that was a serious dereliction of duty, and somehow it's almost completely escaped scrutiny.


Tom Corbett is getting stomped in polls by any Democrat pollsters offer up as a choice
 
2013-03-15 12:25:43 AM

justtray: The one that has no facts to support their wild speculation, even after interviewing 430 people and searching through 3.5 million emails?

Like I said, The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.

Remember, not even Freeh himself refuted the claim that his conclusion was based with no factual basis and only in speculation.


tell me more about this "Building 7"
 
2013-03-15 12:48:13 AM

Weaver95: BunkyBrewman: Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.

As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.

Oh they can stick their fingers in their ears and yell as loud as they want but...it's not gonna work.  Paterno was a key figure in the cover up and thats just all there is to it.


I understand you believe that, but how can you know that?  It doesn't even clearly state that in the report.  If you personally believe something that there is no proof of, the phrase "that's just all there is to it" does not apply.

/ LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALLALALALALALALALALALALAL ALLALALA
 
2013-03-15 12:52:26 AM

forever_blowing_bubbles: justtray: Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.

I'm confused which side is supposed to be equivilent to "truthers" here. It's somehow not the side arguing against "The experts determined that the conclusions of the (university) report are based on raw speculation and unsupported opinion -- not facts and evidence." AND "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

But I suppose we can just hand wave all that by saying that the report is somehow bias, without actually being able to offer any type of logical rebuttal. Freeh didn't even argue against it other than to say he stands by his opinions that are entirely based on speculation.

And lastly, the concept that Penn State would want their report to be without fault is laughable. They wanted it to be harsh so they could say to the NCAA, "see we took the responsibility to identify the faults and attempt to correct them, don't punish us as harshly!"

The only truthers here are the ones whose opinions are solely based on wild speculation and misplaced self righteousness because they need to feel superior to others.

The Freeh report: 430 interviews conducted, 3.5 million e-mails and documents examined, carried out by a team of investigators that cost $8.1 million.

Jackass Paterno Truther: "opinions are solely based on wild speculation"

Well, I know who I should believe!


The two are not mutually exclusive, that is his point.  The fact that they spent 8.1 million on a report does not meant its conclusions are not based on wild speculation.  Did you READ the report, or even an synopsis?
 
2013-03-15 12:56:16 AM
And you are telling me that they can read 3.5 million emails and documents, fairly analyze them, and include them in a report for 8.1 million dollars?  so if that was the ONLY thing they were doing, someone out there is charging only 29 cents a document to read, verify authenticity, legally analyze and categorize an email or document and then collate all of them into a coherent finding?

FOR TWENTY NINE CENTS?

BULLshiat

That inflated number alone shows that the people writing the Freeh report were willing to lie to seem credible.
 
2013-03-15 12:57:05 AM

lawboy87: WillofJ2: I just have never understood why this was an NCAA thing to regulate and punish.
The penalized were committed while he was not a football coach right?  It did not give them an advantage as a football program, they didnt cover up any players or recruiting violations, so why the football penalties from all i read Paterno hated the guy and the university actually gave him permission to use the facility not the football program.

Because  a university agrees to abide by its Constitution and Bylaws when voluntarily joining the NCAA.  Not all rules and bylaws are directed at specific factual circumstances or events, many are quite broad in nature and require that participating Universities adhere to certain ethical and moral precepts.

Below is the NCAA's Constitution Section 2.4 for example (which clearly would apply to what was going on at Penn State)  It wasn't just Paterno, it was the President, the Athletic Director and the VP of Finance who were involved in allowing this stuff to go on for so long.   (Paterno was the FACE of Penn State Football and had been for decades.  I doubt before these shenanigans made the news, everyone would be hard pressed to name the President of PSU, or for that matter the Basketball Coach - but a majority of people out there knew who Joe Paterno was.  They rode his image all the way to the bank, and when the time came to protect the reputation of the football program, which he was associated with, and which made big time bank the "leaders" of the University decided to protect him, their football program and the money it produced, rather than stop a pedophile predator.)

At the very crux of the matter, it was indeed the football program which caused them to act this way and avoid fulfilling their ethical and legal duties.  Do you really think they would have put themselves on the line if the facts presented to them identified some pedophile operating out of the music department; the Physics Lab; or even the Women's Volleyball Tea ...


Thanks that was very informative.
 
2013-03-15 12:58:12 AM
A legal team couldnt even COUNT 3.5 million documents for 8 million dollars.
 
2013-03-15 01:28:28 AM
I sound fat:

That inflated number alone shows that the people writing the Freeh report were willing to lie to seem credible.

That "inflated number" shows you don't know how legal document review works
 
2013-03-15 02:25:41 AM

meanmutton: Can we also toss in the anti-vaxers and the people who think that aspartame is evil?


Now now now, do NOT be lumping in all the "aspartame sucks" people in with the Cult of Happy Valley and other similar weirdness :D

(In my case, I do think aspartame is (personally) evil because it tends to throw me into migraines (complete with aura, hot flashes, my head feeling like it has a chestburster in it, and the whole affair usually ending in tears and projectile vomiting)--that said, as long as one isn't in that group of aspartame-triggered migraneurs, I don't see any more harm in it than other non-nutritive sweeteners.)

Aspartame is a frequent enough migraine trigger that most neurologists are aware of it and do include it in food elimination trials for migraneurs (along with eliminating chocolate, MSG, and a few other known frequent migraine triggers).  Most of what's claimed re aspartame (like the OMFG IT GIVES YOU TEH BRAIN CANSURS) is unproven (aside from reports of aspartame being a frequent migraine trigger and it being generally bad for people with PKU and occasional reports of general food sensitivity), however.

Happy Valley, though...I swear, I think I've seen more reasonableness from the CoS on alt.religion.scientology than I have seen from folks in Happy Valley at times.  This has gone a wee bit beyond fandom and into a frank personality cult, methinks...

/in my case, aspartame sensitivity confirmed by actual neurologist, not via some whackjob Dr. Oz or Dr. Mercola article
//if anything, the denialism out of Penn State damn near reminds me of how people in "Prosperity Gospel" cults pretty much refused to believe the televangelist sex scandals until said televangelists admitted it on national television
 
2013-03-15 02:38:45 AM

I sound fat: And you are telling me that they can read 3.5 million emails and documents, fairly analyze them, and include them in a report for 8.1 million dollars?  so if that was the ONLY thing they were doing, someone out there is charging only 29 cents a document to read, verify authenticity, legally analyze and categorize an email or document and then collate all of them into a coherent finding?

FOR TWENTY NINE CENTS?

BULLshiat

That inflated number alone shows that the people writing the Freeh report were willing to lie to seem credible.


Hello, person who has never worked with an attorney/law firm

also, username delivers
 
2013-03-15 09:03:40 AM

I sound fat: A legal team couldnt even COUNT 3.5 million documents for 8 million dollars.


Not real familiar with search engine driven document review, apparently
 
2013-03-15 09:07:38 AM

pion: Subby, don't forget climate change deniers and evolution deniers.


I still don't know what a climate change denier is
 
2013-03-15 09:09:10 AM

ElwoodCuse: I sound fat:

That inflated number alone shows that the people writing the Freeh report were willing to lie to seem credible.

That "inflated number" shows you don't know how legal document review works


THIS
 
2013-03-15 09:37:48 AM

GoldSpider: PC LOAD LETTER: Like 9/11, right?

9/11 Truthers "know" what the government knew the same as the Paterno-haters "know" what he knew.


We knew what he knew because of public testimony. I know you have a hard-on for football and Penn State, but your hero was a farking asshole who ignored a charge of child rape. That's his legacy and that is what people now know him as. Sorry for your loss.
 
2013-03-15 09:40:32 AM

justtray: Paterno was told about an instance in 2001, reported it as he was required, at which point it was no longer his moral or legal responsibility


This is why you fail.
 
2013-03-15 10:48:44 AM
Still nothing new on the dissappeared DA who job it would have been to get things rolling?
 
2013-03-15 11:13:26 AM

flynn80: Still nothing new on the dissappeared DA who job it would have been to get things rolling?


That was just a weird coincidence.  Nothing to see here.  Move along....

/the whole thing stinks to high heaven
 
2013-03-15 01:29:58 PM
This also will be the first trustee meeting since the Paterno family released its own report, which absolved the coach of wrongdoing in the scandal.

Damn, the members of the Paterno family sound like real sleuths.  Maybe after this they can help OJ find the real killer.
 
2013-03-15 03:02:01 PM

mikaloyd: WillofJ2: I just have never understood why this was an NCAA thing to regulate and punish.
The penalized were committed while he was not a football coach right?  It did not give them an advantage as a football program, they didnt cover up any players or recruiting violations, so why the football penalties from all i read Paterno hated the guy and the university actually gave him permission to use the facility not the football program.

Do you mean like the time Sandusky took the kid to the bowl game in Texas to rape him in the hotel room? Amd when the kid complained Sandusky told him to shut up or he'd send him home in disgrace. But if he stayed for more Sandusky loving he could be a walk on at PSU?  Would that be against NCAA rules? Or not in your mind?

Because all that is in the Grand Jury report if you simply botherd to read it..


Again all criminal, and an act of an individual, and while said in the grand jury and probably true I don't think he was convicted on those points, Also I think him guilty from my limited knowledge of the case and I hope the man suffers terrible things in prison, that said I just wanted to know the abilities of the NCAA to regulate these actions beyond the point of when he was actually involved as an employee of the football program and to which they are allowed to penalize the university, which was answered later, chill out, take some deep breaths.
 
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