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2013-03-14 08:28:08 AM  
I'm just sad he died before seeing his legacy raped like an underprivileged kid.
 
2013-03-14 08:50:56 AM  
PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.
 
2013-03-14 09:21:57 AM  

Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.


As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.
 
2013-03-14 09:26:08 AM  

BunkyBrewman: Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.

As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.


Oh they can stick their fingers in their ears and yell as loud as they want but...it's not gonna work.  Paterno was a key figure in the cover up and thats just all there is to it.
 
2013-03-14 09:27:32 AM  
Done in one.
 
2013-03-14 09:35:21 AM  

BunkyBrewman: As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.


I have nothing but sympathy for Franco Harris, or any other victim of sexual abuse.
 
2013-03-14 09:37:20 AM  

fatalvenom: Done in one.


i812.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-14 09:49:23 AM  
I believe they all knew about Sandusky when they forced him to retire in 1999 and that's a coverup.
 
2013-03-14 09:54:39 AM  
I heard Franco on the local sports talk radio station talking about Paterno a few months back when he hosted one of those town hall meetings around here.  You can get an idea of what he said from the following:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/11/franco-harris-bl as ts-joepas-firing/

This paragraph sums it up nicely:
"When I heard that, it blew my mind," Harris said. "Why would they bring the moral into the legal? Now, everyone gets to interpret in their own way. That's what really bothers me: Joe did what was right for him to do. He forwarded the information to his superiors. That's the legal procedure at Penn State.

"That's the legal procedure at Penn State"  *sigh*
 
2013-03-14 09:54:42 AM  

Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.


This. A few athletes caught smoking pot? Sure, that sort of thing you can "handle" internally, no problem. Child RAPE? No. If you have the slightest suspicion that a child has been raped, the ONLY proper course of action is immediately calling the state police and telling them all you know. Anything short of that is inappropriate.
 
2013-03-14 09:54:45 AM  
Your ass is grass if you owe a $12.99 hotel tab, though
 
2013-03-14 10:02:45 AM  

BunkyBrewman: "That's the legal procedure at Penn State" *sigh*


He should ask the three guys currently facing prosecution if that ship floats.
 
2013-03-14 10:08:33 AM  
Can we get a Pennsyltucky tag yet?
 
2013-03-14 10:15:24 AM  

you have pee hands: BunkyBrewman: "That's the legal procedure at Penn State" *sigh*

He should ask the three guys currently facing prosecution if that ship floats.


That ginger bastard who did nothing to stop a child rape he actually witnessed is protected as a whistleblower. So yeah, it floats if you report it, they didn't. JoePa reported it
 
2013-03-14 10:29:42 AM  

Champion of the Sun: you have pee hands: BunkyBrewman: "That's the legal procedure at Penn State" *sigh*

He should ask the three guys currently facing prosecution if that ship floats.

That ginger bastard who did nothing to stop a child rape he actually witnessed is protected as a whistleblower. So yeah, it floats if you report it, they didn't. JoePa reported it


He reported it to several underlings and then ignored 9 years of no action while allowing a predator to continue to use his facilities. How noble.
 
2013-03-14 10:35:32 AM  
Don't forget warmers
 
2013-03-14 10:38:04 AM  
When you ride with Joe Pa you ride straight to hell
 
2013-03-14 10:38:29 AM  

Weaver95: BunkyBrewman: Weaver95: PSU is going to have to accept that Paterno was deeply involved in the cover up.

As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.

Oh they can stick their fingers in their ears and yell as loud as they want but...it's not gonna work.  Paterno was a key figure in the cover up and thats just all there is to it.


2.bp.blogspot.com
From a cover-up to being covered up... Oh how the mighty have fallen...
 
2013-03-14 10:39:33 AM  

mikaloyd: Can we get a Pennsyltucky tag yet?


What do you think the DUMBASS tag is for?
 
2013-03-14 10:46:33 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: mikaloyd: Can we get a Pennsyltucky tag yet?

What do you think the DUMBASS tag is for?


Hey, hey there.  Dumbasses have no known geographical boundaries.
 
2013-03-14 10:49:22 AM  

Champion of the Sun: So yeah, it floats if you report it, they didn't. JoePa reported it


If JoePa wanted things to happen, he had the sway to make people jump.

People didn't jump. What does that tell you?
 
2013-03-14 10:53:55 AM  
The whole Freeh report denial thing blows my mind.  The Freeh Report was done so the BoT could figure out how farked they were.  They wanted the report to come back and say "You're not that farked, it was just Sandusky operating as a lone wolf figure."  That would response would let PSU duck the more serious cover up charges and the like since they could paint Sandusky as some kind of cagey master of deception of suckered everyone.  In turn that meant less trouble with the federal government (you can lose federal funding for failure to report crimes), less trouble with the NCAA, and less trouble with the B1G (Delany is still reserving the right to impose sanctions in excess of the NCAA).  Instead the Freeh report came back with "You're farked" written on it.  The BoT accepted it and the intelligent ones ran off to plea bargain with the NCAA.

Now the PSU truthers somehow think a tailor made report purchased by the Paterno family to clear their Patriarch's name is somehow more valid than a report done by the BoT.  The BoT had every motivation in the world to generate a credible report that found their beloved coach and their administration mostly blameless and they couldn't.  That says really all you need to know.

/plus of course the Paterno family is doing is this before Curley, Spanier, and Schultz all go on trial and potentially spill their guts to get lesser sentences.
 
2013-03-14 10:56:42 AM  
Question to JoePa defenders: What if it was your son or younger brother who was being raped by Sandusky? Would you still feel Joe did the right thing by telling his "bosses" once and not doing anything else about it?
 
2013-03-14 10:57:06 AM  

oryx: I believe they all knew about Sandusky when they forced him to retire in 1999 and that's a coverup.


They likely also had to somehow convey to other schools he was radioactive in some way.  He was 55 and fairly good D-Coord and in 1999, lesser schools should have been all over him.  PSU must have somehow been warning the other schools that the 1998 rape accusation was legit and they wanted to avoid him.
 
2013-03-14 11:03:59 AM  
I get the PSU fan's thinking.  Their program has been wrapped up and affiliated with one man for so long that to accept what Paterno did (or didn't do) is to somehow accept that your whole belief system is a fraud.  It's sad (no I am not equating it to what Sandusky's victims went through, it is possible to discuss both without comparing them btw) and I really do feel for them.  One day this will end and PSU will be just another B1G program but it will be years and years
 
2013-03-14 11:16:57 AM  

ha-ha-guy: oryx: I believe they all knew about Sandusky when they forced him to retire in 1999 and that's a coverup.

They likely also had to somehow convey to other schools he was radioactive in some way.  He was 55 and fairly good D-Coord and in 1999, lesser schools should have been all over him.  PSU must have somehow been warning the other schools that the 1998 rape accusation was legit and they wanted to avoid him.


^ This.
 
2013-03-14 11:30:10 AM  
Or, y'know, the rape accusations were public record. But go on building Paterno's superpowers, because I'm sure that people who have never been so much as in Pennsylvania know about how all the relationships worked within the university and the police and state police.

/never been to Pennsylvania
//don't spend my time talking about how I know how people (Jews, Illuminati, football coaches) control the police and the government
 
2013-03-14 11:34:18 AM  

BunkyBrewman: As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.


Don't worry about him. The second he meets any resistance he'll run to the sidelines.
 
2013-03-14 11:35:34 AM  

ha-ha-guy: oryx: I believe they all knew about Sandusky when they forced him to retire in 1999 and that's a coverup.

They likely also had to somehow convey to other schools he was radioactive in some way.  He was 55 and fairly good D-Coord and in 1999, lesser schools should have been all over him.  PSU must have somehow been warning the other schools that the 1998 rape accusation was legit and they wanted to avoid him.


I think that same radioactivity might have effected other coaches there, because Tom Bradley (after realizing Joe would never retire) put his name out there for a few head coaching jobs and was never really considered. And he would have been perfect for quite a few of the jobs on the surface.

Not saying Bradley was diddling kids too, but just saying that might have been another indication that other schools knew something was up at PSU and didn't want to deal with anyone even closely associated with it
 
2013-03-14 11:36:04 AM  

Hang On Voltaire: I get the PSU fan's thinking.  Their program has been wrapped up and affiliated with one man for so long that to accept what Paterno did (or didn't do) is to somehow accept that your whole belief system is a fraud.  It's sad (no I am not equating it to what Sandusky's victims went through, it is possible to discuss both without comparing them btw) and I really do feel for them.  One day this will end and PSU will be just another B1G program but it will be years and years


I don't get it.

those guys in Columbus got rid of tressel even though he won, got Lloyd Carr canned, and so on. the program shouldn't be a cult of personality.

if woody did the same, or if Bo did the same as joepa, I don't see how our alumni would do the same as Penn State. I just don't. the rational voices would win out.

and if I can't see the people in Ohio being so misguided, how can I understand the joepa people being so delusional?

i just don't see it. I just can't understand it, and I can't have a lot of empathy for it.

Catholics in this country have a lot to answer for... but this is football for God's sake! it's not blind defense of even a religious creed. and yet this is a bigger cult than Catholicism for some.
 
2013-03-14 11:38:13 AM  

TDWCom29: I think that same radioactivity might have effected other coaches there, because Tom Bradley (after realizing Joe would never retire) put his name out there for a few head coaching jobs and was never really considered. And he would have been perfect for quite a few of the jobs on the surface.

Not saying Bradley was diddling kids too, but just saying that might have been another indication that other schools knew something was up at PSU and didn't want to deal with anyone even closely associated with it


Yup. Totally plausible that every university knew about this for a decade and no one ever said anything.
 
2013-03-14 11:46:27 AM  

IAmRight: TDWCom29: I think that same radioactivity might have effected other coaches there, because Tom Bradley (after realizing Joe would never retire) put his name out there for a few head coaching jobs and was never really considered. And he would have been perfect for quite a few of the jobs on the surface.

Not saying Bradley was diddling kids too, but just saying that might have been another indication that other schools knew something was up at PSU and didn't want to deal with anyone even closely associated with it

Yup. Totally plausible that every university knew about this for a decade and no one ever said anything.


There could have been rumors floating around for years. This happens and sometimes those rumors are bad enough that people don't want to take a chance on the people involved with the rumors.

Also it is kinda strange that not to many PSU coaches from that era went on to better coaching jobs at other schools.
 
2013-03-14 11:47:36 AM  

legion_of_doo: if woody did the same, or if Bo did the same as joepa, I don't see how our alumni would do the same as Penn State. I just don't. the rational voices would win out.


I'd imagine in the case of Woody or Bo, they'd have held a press conference in 1998 to explain why the D-Coord's severed head was suddenly on a spike in front of the stadium as a "warning to others".  Graceful retirement to focus on your charity was not on the table, so much as the players of the team are dispatched with orders to find you and bring you before Bo or Woody (and no questions will be asked about broken bones, etc).
 
2013-03-14 11:53:03 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: HaywoodJablonski: mikaloyd: Can we get a Pennsyltucky tag yet?

What do you think the DUMBASS tag is for?

Hey, hey there.  Dumbasses have no known geographical boundaries.


Incorrect. We have Florida for Florida, Dumbass for Pennsyltucky, and Stupid, Asinine and Weird for everything else
 
2013-03-14 11:56:42 AM  

IAmRight: Totally plausible that every university knew about this for a decade and no one ever said anything.


It would take a person of real character and strength to call attention to that situation.  Good luck finding one in college football.
 
2013-03-14 12:00:52 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Marcus Aurelius: HaywoodJablonski: mikaloyd: Can we get a Pennsyltucky tag yet?

What do you think the DUMBASS tag is for?

Hey, hey there.  Dumbasses have no known geographical boundaries.

Incorrect. We have Florida for Florida, Dumbass for Pennsyltucky, and Stupid, Asinine and Weird for everything else


That's odd, because recent "Dumbass" tags seem to be pointing at Texas.
 
2013-03-14 12:02:12 PM  

yequalsy: BunkyBrewman: As long as you have guys like Franco Harris going around hosting "town hall meetings" defending Paterno, don't hold your breath.

Don't worry about him. The second he meets any resistance he'll run to the sidelines.


Don't sell him short, remember one time he accidentally a touchdown.
 
2013-03-14 12:05:14 PM  
legion_of_doo:

I don't get it.

those guys in Columbus got rid of tressel even though he won, got Lloyd Carr canned, and so on. the program shouldn't be a cult of personality.

if woody did the same, or if Bo did the same as joepa, I don't see how our alumni would do the same as Penn State. I just don't. the rational voices would win out.

and if I can't see the people in Ohio being so misguided, how can I understand the joepa people being so delusional?

i just don't see it. I just can't understand it, and I can't have a lot of empathy for it.

Catholics in this country have a lot to answer for... but this is football for God's sake! it's not blind defense of even a religious creed. and yet this is a bigger cult than Catholicism for some.


I didn't say I agree with it, just said I get it.
 
2013-03-14 12:17:16 PM  
Subby, don't forget climate change deniers and evolution deniers.
 
2013-03-14 12:20:18 PM  
If your reality cannot withstand scrutiny, then it isn't real.
 
2013-03-14 12:20:31 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: HaywoodJablonski: Marcus Aurelius: HaywoodJablonski: mikaloyd: Can we get a Pennsyltucky tag yet?

What do you think the DUMBASS tag is for?

Hey, hey there.  Dumbasses have no known geographical boundaries.

Incorrect. We have Florida for Florida, Dumbass for Pennsyltucky, and Stupid, Asinine and Weird for everything else

That's odd, because recent "Dumbass" tags seem to be pointing at Texas.


Those submitters need educatin'
 
2013-03-14 12:48:18 PM  
The difference between the "Paternoistas" and Birthers/Truthers/Mooners etc.... is that Paterno actually has a case....as much as the media wants to deny such

The Paterno Family will win their lawsuit vs the NCAA because the US Supreme Court has already ruled against the NCAA in Tarkanian v NCAA in that the NCAA must give due process to individuals before handing down punishments....when they stripped Paterno of his wins there was no due process given to Paterno (he was already dead) nor to his family or estate. The NCAA will lose the Paterno lawsuit....that is if they really want to embarrass themselves over defending the Freeh Report in court.

A first week law student would realize the NCAA will lose vs Paterno based on already established SCOTUS precedent
 
2013-03-14 12:53:52 PM  

IAmRight: Or, y'know, the rape accusations were public record. But go on building Paterno's superpowers, because I'm sure that people who have never been so much as in Pennsylvania know about how all the relationships worked within the university and the police and state police.

/never been to Pennsylvania
//don't spend my time talking about how I know how people (Jews, Illuminati, football coaches) control the police and the government


His superpower did include his ability to tell the Board of Trustees that he was not fired when they tried to fire him about 9 years ago. That's pretty impressive.
 
2013-03-14 12:58:34 PM  
Its simple. Suppose Paterno had been told that it was one of his grandsons being abused by Sandusky. Do you HONESTLY think that under those circumstances he would have just "reported the incident to higher ups?" If you can not answer yes to that question you can NOT defend Paterno in any way.
 
2013-03-14 01:05:52 PM  

Moopy Mac: His superpower did include his ability to tell the Board of Trustees that he was not fired when they tried to fire him about 9 years ago. That's pretty impressive.


He stole the idea from George Costanza.
 
2013-03-14 01:10:34 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: The difference between the "Paternoistas" and Birthers/Truthers/Mooners etc.... is that Paterno actually has a case....as much as the media wants to deny such

The Paterno Family will win their lawsuit vs the NCAA because the US Supreme Court has already ruled against the NCAA in Tarkanian v NCAA in that the NCAA must give due process to individuals before handing down punishments....when they stripped Paterno of his wins there was no due process given to Paterno (he was already dead) nor to his family or estate. The NCAA will lose the Paterno lawsuit....that is if they really want to embarrass themselves over defending the Freeh Report in court.

A first week law student would realize the NCAA will lose vs Paterno based on already established SCOTUS precedent


"Vacating wins" is possibly the stupidest punishment ever devised by the NCAA (among others).  It's something a three year old would do.
 
2013-03-14 01:11:46 PM  

Moopy Mac: His superpower did include his ability to tell the Board of Trustees that he was not fired when they tried to fire him about 9 years ago. That's pretty impressive.


He was a doddering, confused, yet affable old man who suddenly demonstrated the capriciousness and acuity to so adamantly fight for his job and tell those above him to fark off. But remember, he's a doddering, confused, yet affable old man.
 
2013-03-14 01:12:02 PM  

Delawheredad: Its simple. Suppose Paterno had been told that it was one of his grandsons being abused by Sandusky. Do you HONESTLY think that under those circumstances he would have just "reported the incident to higher ups?" If you can not answer yes to that question you can NOT defend Paterno in any way.


That's a tough one. JoePa was funneling lots of deals through the second mile. He had a ton of money to lose by exposing Sandusky.
 
2013-03-14 01:13:36 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: The Paterno Family will win their lawsuit vs the NCAA because the US Supreme Court has already ruled against the NCAA in Tarkanian v NCAA in that the NCAA must give due process to individuals before handing down punishments....when they stripped Paterno of his wins there was no due process given to Paterno (he was already dead) nor to his family or estate. The NCAA will lose the Paterno lawsuit....that is if they really want to embarrass themselves over defending the Freeh Report in court.


They didn't punish Paterno directly.  They stripped Penn State of its wins.  They have the power to vacate team's wins and do it fairly frequently.
 
2013-03-14 01:13:51 PM  

Killer Cars: He was a doddering, confused, yet affable old man who suddenly demonstrated the capriciousness and acuity to so adamantly fight for his job and tell those above him to fark off. But remember, he's a doddering, confused, yet affable old man.


Because you know how that went down.
 
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