markfara: In the military, just as in society as a whole, there are women who falsely accuse men of rape. These men can and do have their lives ruined.
BarkingUnicorn: neversubmit: WTH! Somebody doesn't like rape.How 'Teach Men Not to Rape' Made Fox News Viewers Lose Their MindsAnd so it was in this looking glass world that Democratic strategist and rape survivor Zerlina Maxwell entered this week, appearing on the Hannity show with a radical notion: rather than tell women to avoid being raped, how about we teach men not to rape?Choosing one solution "rather than" another should infuriate anyone who cares about women's safety. Men are already taught not to rape. Telling women they shouldn't have to learn how to avoid rape is farking irresponsible and just plain stupid.
Huggermugger: Of course, anecdotes will be dismissed, and any woman who says anything like this is immediately condemned as a man-hating feminazi. But some of you guys, if you were really honest with yourself, know that there are bros in your social circle who've done this sort of thing, and they're getting away with it scot-free.
BarkingUnicorn: Men are already taught not to rape.
markfara: Rape is a problem. It was a problem when I served in the Army in the late 70s.That said, women do sometimes accuse men of rape when they in fact were not raped.That is all.
ModernPrimitive01: and this is why women shouldn't serve in the military
BarkingUnicorn: Of course, the whole story could be made up. "Jesse" could be a slut-shaming guy who invented this tale and tacked on a conclusion that says, "Stop acting like an irresponsible whore."
BarkingUnicorn: Every time, the matter devolves into "who's at fault." What's wrong with you people? I am talking about preventing rape, not assigning blame. This chick didn't do her part and the result was a very rape-like experience for her. Even she figured that out in her conclusion.
BarkingUnicorn: My point is the same one I've been making all along, and now you seem to agree with it. Rape prevention is the responsibility of women as well as men.
BarkingUnicorn: Mirror neuron theory is tentative, at best. It does not suggest any connection to compassion; it's related to learning through imitation.I'm not going to discuss blame and punishment after rape occurs. I'm concerned about preventing rape. Men and women should do all they can to prevent rape. To say women shouldn't have to is farking stupid.
Dr Dreidel: Marcus Aurelius: BarkingUnicorn: Men are already taught not to rapeNot sure if serious.jpgI wasn't specifically taught not to murder (well I was, but by my religious schooling, not by the American government - and before you get started, I'm talking about a "Don't Murder" lesson plan, not a moral lesson that "all law comes from god; atheists have no morals"). I also wasn't specifically taught not to embezzle. I was, oddly enough, specifically warned - at least once per month/school year - that drugs would absolutely fark up my life the very first time a friend even considered looking at them.We're not taught in schools to not break specific laws (parse THAT) usually, but there is definitely a very strong "be nice to others" streak throughout our educational system. You think, as focused as we've gotten on schoolyard bullying, that kids can get by without realizing that rape is both morally wrong AND illegal?// do they have a "List of Don't"s a mile farking long at every school?// we teach people to avoid perilous situations - robbery, rape and murder being the most common// you think it sucks we need to teach people how to avoid dangerous situations? Me too. Would that no one ever ran the risk of being raped.// tl;dr - BarkingUnicorn is right about Olson Johnson's being right!
Super_pope: Any time you parrot this line, what you're really saying is, "Instead of doing X, why don't we just make bad people into good people?" Uh... I dunno. That's a pretty farking huge question isn't it? Date rape is a different animal and we've made some progress at raising awareness and cutting down on that, but as far as the violent assault type stuff goes... instead of telling people to avoid getting murdered, why don't we just teach everyone not to murder?
No Such Agency: "Sir, I believe that Private Smith's sexual assault complaint should have been investigated instead of dismissed. There's evidence that...""That will be all Sergeant.""But sir,""I said that will be all, Corporal."/or am I totally wrong about the military here?
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