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(Fox News)   Musical instruments will now be required to have passports to travel. Drummers and bassists can still be shipped with normal cargo   (foxnews.com) divider line 20
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2013-03-14 08:58:47 AM
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The irony here is some American made guitars are built using rare woods, and are then exported. So people in other countries who bought an American guitar and want to travel to the USA, need a passport for their guitar.
2013-03-14 08:31:36 AM
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FullMetalPanda: WTF, tortoise shells?  How the fark do you make a bow from a shell?  Must be a farking big shell!


Some tortoises grow to be quite large.

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2013-03-14 07:44:31 AM
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I'll admit that the headline (& their phrasing - passport?) had me scratching my head but it sounds like a good common sense program (wow, common sense from various government bodies.  Who'da thunk it).  Is there anything other than humans that are issued passports?  It just seems odd that they would call it that rather than say a permit or license.

Regardless, I'm sure that it's better for the instruments not to be stripped down & reassembled every time they need to cross a line on a map (people too for that matter but the security theater argument is for a different thread...).
2013-03-14 08:08:17 PM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: pciszek: GORDON: Yes but will the TSA still be required to destroy the instruments after they are checked?

I thought that the actual destruction of the instruments was still done by the private sector, i.e., airline baggage handlers.

Some famous concert pianist supposedly had his piano destroyed by the TSA because the glue smelled like explosives to them. I can't remember all the details, but before he finished a concert (in LA, I think) he stood up and went into a tirade and swore never to come back to the US.


Yes, at Disney Concert Hall in LA.  He was probably really, really upset.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krystian_Zimerman#Criticism_of_US_polic y
2013-03-14 05:35:22 PM
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pciszek: GORDON: Yes but will the TSA still be required to destroy the instruments after they are checked?

I thought that the actual destruction of the instruments was still done by the private sector, i.e., airline baggage handlers.


Some famous concert pianist supposedly had his piano destroyed by the TSA because the glue smelled like explosives to them. I can't remember all the details, but before he finished a concert (in LA, I think) he stood up and went into a tirade and swore never to come back to the US.
2013-03-14 12:40:35 PM
1 votes:

GORDON: Yes but will the TSA still be required to destroy the instruments after they are checked?


I thought that the actual destruction of the instruments was still done by the private sector, i.e., airline baggage handlers.
2013-03-14 10:59:47 AM
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Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Seems like it would be easier to travel with a piano with wood keys and wood/metal/plastic violin bows.  It's not like ivory keys and tortoise shell bows make any difference in the sound.


The ivory itself may not make a difference to the sound, but the ivory (or whatever) tends to be attached to a high quality instrument, and changing out the ivory parts is a huge pain and expense, and an opportunity for accidents that will affect the sound.
2013-03-14 10:44:05 AM
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Happy Hours: Rincewind53: The bow isn't tortoise shell, the frog on the bow is.

Frogs made out of tortoises?

Sounds like a masterful piece of genetic engineering


no, just intelligent design.
2013-03-14 10:41:16 AM
1 votes:
Glockenspiel Hero
Worse, the rare imported wood may have been imported illegally, even when you're buying from a top shelf dealer

Why is is that Gibson got hammered while Martin, who uses the same wood from the same source, didn't?

Ludwig,Zildjian & Remo,none of that furriner stuff for me ;)

/actually like Pearls too
//Tama's gone downhill
2013-03-14 09:58:50 AM
1 votes:

verbaltoxin: The irony here is some American made guitars are built using rare woods, and are then exported. So people in other countries who bought an American guitar and want to travel to the USA, need a passport for their guitar.


Worse, the rare imported wood may have been imported illegally, even when you're buying from a top shelf dealer

This is why I only buy First Act guitars from WalMart.  No worries about rare imported woods.  Or wood at all, for that matter.  Kind of like pasteurized processed cheese food.
2013-03-14 09:58:01 AM
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Speaker2Animals: WTF, a piano? Portable instruments, yeah, but you can find a Steinway anywhere.


You can find a century-plus-old, top-quality, top-condition grand piano anywhere in the world?  That someone will let you use?  You must have terrific connections everywhere in the world!
2013-03-14 09:40:00 AM
1 votes:

verbaltoxin: The irony here is some American made guitars are built using rare woods, and are then exported. So people in other countries who bought an American guitar and want to travel to the USA, need a passport for their guitar.


It's not for immigration, it's so that they know you didn't harvest their rare 3,000 year old yews to make it. You'd need the same passport every time you crossed any international border with the instrument.
2013-03-14 08:51:30 AM
1 votes:
Oh great. Like the orchestra nutters didn't anthropomorphize their instruments enough...

/hold me
//fermata, I am
2013-03-14 08:48:26 AM
1 votes:

GORDON: Yes but will the TSA still be required to destroy the instruments after they are checked?


Assuming the airlines don't beat them to it.
2013-03-14 08:47:51 AM
1 votes:

Recoil Therapy: I'll admit that the headline (& their phrasing - passport?) had me scratching my head but it sounds like a good common sense program (wow, common sense from various government bodies.  Who'da thunk it).  Is there anything other than humans that are issued passports?  It just seems odd that they would call it that rather than say a permit or license.

Regardless, I'm sure that it's better for the instruments not to be stripped down & reassembled every time they need to cross a line on a map (people too for that matter but the security theater argument is for a different thread...).


Frequently museum exhibitions that travel internationally have a passport or a passport like document associated with them.  I can't remember what the exact document name is, but they are especially important for exibits that include controlled materials that are not normally easy to take across borders.
2013-03-14 08:47:05 AM
1 votes:
Yes but will the TSA still be required to destroy the instruments after they are checked?
2013-03-14 08:35:42 AM
1 votes:
This is a great idea... those of us with ivory mouthpieces have a hard time traveling, or have to use substandard equipment when traveling.  This'll fix that.
2013-03-14 08:33:45 AM
1 votes:

Gordon Bennett: FullMetalPanda: WTF, tortoise shells?  How the fark do you make a bow from a shell?  Must be a farking big shell!

Some tortoises grow to be quite large.

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I feel like I should have been the one to make that joke.
2013-03-14 08:33:05 AM
1 votes:

FullMetalPanda: WTF, tortoise shells?  How the fark do you make a bow from a shell?  Must be a farking big shell!


The bow isn't tortoise shell, the frog on the bow is.
www.wangbow.com
The frog is the part with the circle on it.
2013-03-14 07:28:05 AM
1 votes:
Musicians who have instruments made from endangered animals, like pianos made with ivory keys or violin bows crafted from tortoise shell, could find international travel a bit easier, thanks to new trade rules that will require a passport for their instruments.

The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) agreed to a multi-entry system based on a U.S. proposal to issue passports good for three years, the U.K.'s

Prior to this, musicians needed a new permit for each time they traveled and were forced to do such drastic things as remove all the ivory from the piano in order to transport the instrument.

"This is monumental because it facilitates movement of musicians, particularly orchestras," Bryan Arroyo, head of the U.S. trade delegation that proposed the scheme told the Telegraph.

A British expert, who wished to remain anonymous, told the AFP: "No one wants to harm elephants but it seems a little ridiculous to have to apply for a CITES (permit) for a 120-year old piano."


WTF, tortoise shells?  How the fark do you make a bow from a shell?  Must be a farking big shell!
 
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