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2013-03-14 08:28:54 AM  
and they both trigger fond memories from our boyhood?
 
2013-03-14 08:30:36 AM  
People love a good story. Stories explain things, they pull heart strings. Science just doesn't have the same power over the human heart. Science just leads to more unanswered questions.

Just because the human heart craves unconditional love...a god sized hole in our lives...doesn't make the existence of god a fact. Sorry Kirk Cameron.
 
2013-03-14 08:30:53 AM  
They always have been. Touched By An Angel? Highway to Heaven?
 
2013-03-14 08:31:18 AM  
This thread will be kind and civil.
 
2013-03-14 08:32:31 AM  
Why do some people have the ability to get green lights on thier submissions?

It's the same reason they don't have a life or girlfriends, people who live in thier moms basement have all day to surf the net submitting headlines.
 
2013-03-14 08:36:06 AM  
With the exception of The Bible mini series and the resent Poping of St Francis, I don't know of any other "religious" shows out there.
 
2013-03-14 08:37:50 AM  

karnal: With the exception of The Bible mini series and the resent Poping of St Francis, I don't know of any other "religious" shows out there.


Meadowlark Lemmon Hour of Worship
 
2013-03-14 08:39:12 AM  

Ukab the Great: People love a good story. Stories explain things, they pull heart strings. Science just doesn't have the same power over the human heart. Science just leads to more unanswered questions.

Just because the human heart craves unconditional love...a god sized hole in our lives...doesn't make the existence of god a fact. Sorry Kirk Cameron.


Maybe a little OT here, but this is the thing that bugs me about the Badastronomy types. I really don't care if the science is all that accurate in entertainment. They claim scientific accuracy makes the stories better but usually I don't even notice.

Ignoring gravity is one thing but complaining RED MATTER WAAAH FARK YOU ABRAMS just makes you a whiny douche.
 
2013-03-14 08:40:22 AM  
I am waiting for a reboot and a modern spin with the whole Christ story. Joe can still be a carpenter, but working on a building sites in the PJs of Trenton. Mary can be the virgin and how they find out about the conception is on Maury. The wise men could be three of Joe's homies from around the block.

It nearly writes itself.
 
2013-03-14 08:41:09 AM  

1nsanilicious: Why do some people have the ability to get green lights on thier submissions?

It's the same reason they don't have a life or girlfriends, people who live in thier moms basement have all day to surf the net submitting headlines.


Angry that you don't get greenlights, think you submitted this with a better headline, or offended by the bible being compared to comic books?
 
2013-03-14 08:41:21 AM  

karnal: With the exception of The Bible mini series and the resent Poping of St Francis, I don't know of any other "religious" shows out there.


Shirley from Community.
 
2013-03-14 08:41:43 AM  

GalFriday: karnal: With the exception of The Bible mini series and the resent Poping of St Francis, I don't know of any other "religious" shows out there.

Meadowlark Lemmon Hour of Worship


With the exception of The Bible mini series, the Meadowlark Lemmon Hour of Worship and the recent Poping of St Francis, I don't know of any other "religious" shows out there
 
2013-03-14 08:43:36 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: karnal: With the exception of The Bible mini series and the resent Poping of St Francis, I don't know of any other "religious" shows out there.

Shirley from Community.



With the exception of The Bible mini series, the Meadowlark Lemmon Hour of Worship, Shirley from Community and the recent Poping of St Francis, I don't know of any other "religious" shows out there.
 
2013-03-14 08:43:36 AM  
Come to think of it, the bible is a lot like comics. Well at least DC comics. Both have plot and story arcs that lead nowhere with holes you could drive a truck through that often make no sense.
 
2013-03-14 08:44:22 AM  

Gifted Many Few: I am waiting for a reboot and a modern spin with the whole Christ story. Joe can still be a carpenter, but working on a building sites in the PJs of Trenton. Mary can be the virgin and how they find out about the conception is on Maury. The wise men could be three of Joe's homies from around the block.

It nearly writes itself.


Meh. Remakes are almost never as good as the original. Look at the Book of Mormon, for instance.
 
2013-03-14 08:45:11 AM  

karnal: GalFriday: karnal: With the exception of The Bible mini series and the resent Poping of St Francis, I don't know of any other "religious" shows out there.

Meadowlark Lemmon Hour of Worship

With the exception of The Bible mini series, the Meadowlark Lemmon Hour of Worship and the recent Poping of St Francis, I don't know of any other "religious" shows out there


American Bible Challenge (a game show), Hystyry has basically become then Jesus and Aliens channel when they're not airing reality shows, and there are actually examples in TFA.

All I can say about it is

i6.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-14 08:45:40 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: 1nsanilicious: Why do some people have the ability to get green lights on thier submissions?

It's the same reason they don't have a life or girlfriends, people who live in thier moms basement have all day to surf the net submitting headlines.

Angry that you don't get greenlights, think you submitted this with a better headline, or offended by the bible being compared to comic books?


Offended that comics are compared to the Bible.
 
2013-03-14 08:46:02 AM  
Unlike most comic books, the people in the Bible actually existed.
 
2013-03-14 08:46:39 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Come to think of it, the bible is a lot like comics. Well at least DC comics. Both have plot and story arcs that lead nowhere with holes you could drive a truck through that often make no sense.


...and no one reads them, either.
 
2013-03-14 08:47:28 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Come to think of it, the bible is a lot like comics. Well at least DC comics. Both have plot and story arcs that lead nowhere with holes you could drive a truck through that often make no sense.


Do DC comics contradict themselves every other page?
 
2013-03-14 08:49:28 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Angry that you don't get greenlights, think you submitted this with a better headline, or offended by the bible being compared to comic books?


I'm not a hardcore comic book fan, but I'm still a little miffed at them being compared to the Bible.
 
2013-03-14 08:52:16 AM  

Farking Canuck: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Come to think of it, the bible is a lot like comics. Well at least DC comics. Both have plot and story arcs that lead nowhere with holes you could drive a truck through that often make no sense.

Do DC comics contradict themselves every other page?


Just the well written ones. The crappy ones are worse.
 
2013-03-14 08:53:04 AM  
Putting the anti-theism aside, subby read "E!" That is the take away here, "sweetie."
 
2013-03-14 08:53:04 AM  

Farking Canuck: Do DC comics contradict themselves every other page?


Just about

FirstNationalBastard: ...and no one reads them, either.


Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground
 
2013-03-14 08:57:14 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Farking Canuck: Do DC comics contradict themselves every other page?

Just about

FirstNationalBastard: ...and no one reads them, either.

Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground


Well, they succeeded in driving creators away from Vertigo and killing it, so why not start on what little else makes money?

/if you could go back in time to 2000 and tell your younger counterpart that by 2012, Vertigo would be a dead imprint while Image would be putting out some of the best creator-owned books on the market, you could watch as your younger self laughed until they shiat themselves.
 
2013-03-14 08:59:09 AM  
They both get the zilches who follow them to fork over a bunch of money for childish nonsense.
 
2013-03-14 09:00:32 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: /if you could go back in time to 2000 and tell your younger counterpart that by 2012, Vertigo would be a dead imprint while Image would be putting out some of the best creator-owned books on the market, you could watch as your younger self laughed until they shiat themselves.


A more true statement could not be found today
 
2013-03-14 09:08:31 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Farking Canuck: Do DC comics contradict themselves every other page?

Just about

FirstNationalBastard: ...and no one reads them, either.

Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground

Well, they succeeded in driving creators away from Vertigo and killing it, so why not start on what little else makes money?

/if you could go back in time to 2000 and tell your younger counterpart that by 2012, Vertigo would be a dead imprint while Image would be putting out some of the best creator-owned books on the market, you could watch as your younger self laughed until they shiat themselves.


The times they are a-... changing, man.
 
2013-03-14 09:12:02 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Farking Canuck: Do DC comics contradict themselves every other page?

Just about

FirstNationalBastard: ...and no one reads them, either.

Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground


What, you mean having the main villain cut his own face off, and surviving w/o skin grafts or surgery for over a year, then retconning a "brother" into the Bat family, rehashing plots from the 1980s, and killing another Robin aren't good ideas? But I've been told repeatedly by DC fans that Grant Morrison is doing amazing things with the Batman properties!
 
2013-03-14 09:14:31 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Farking Canuck: Do DC comics contradict themselves every other page?

Just about

FirstNationalBastard: ...and no one reads them, either.

Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground

Well, they succeeded in driving creators away from Vertigo and killing it, so why not start on what little else makes money?

/if you could go back in time to 2000 and tell your younger counterpart that by 2012, Vertigo would be a dead imprint while Image would be putting out some of the best creator-owned books on the market, you could watch as your younger self laughed until they shiat themselves.


I'd also tell myself in 2000 to put the comics back and not start reading them again. I wouldn't listen, but I'd still try.
 
2013-03-14 09:18:55 AM  

verbaltoxin: What, you mean having the main villain cut his own face off, and surviving w/o skin grafts or surgery for over a year, then retconning a "brother" into the Bat family, rehashing plots from the 1980s, and killing another Robin aren't good ideas? But I've been told repeatedly by DC fans that Grant Morrison is doing amazing things with the Batman properties!


Here's my impression of DC "No really this pile of shiat on the plate is totally classic cuisine you want to eat, the smell? Well that's what they eat in...europe... its totally fetch. No wait..where are you going!?! We'll throw in dessert for free!!!! COME BACK!!!!"
 
2013-03-14 09:30:12 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: verbaltoxin: What, you mean having the main villain cut his own face off, and surviving w/o skin grafts or surgery for over a year, then retconning a "brother" into the Bat family, rehashing plots from the 1980s, and killing another Robin aren't good ideas? But I've been told repeatedly by DC fans that Grant Morrison is doing amazing things with the Batman properties!

Here's my impression of DC "No really this pile of shiat on the plate is totally classic cuisine you want to eat, the smell? Well that's what they eat in...europe... its totally fetch. No wait..where are you going!?! We'll throw in dessert for free!!!! COME BACK!!!!"


Here's the thing. I'm fine with Babs being uncrippled. Just make a clean break and start a new continuity if you're going to do that, kind of how Bruce Timm's Batman cartoons have nothing to do with Christopher Nolan's Batman movies. Don't start a "New 52" that plays games with what they're keeping, and what they're not, while not having any clear idea all the while.

And that really does sum up DC these days, doesn't it?
 
2013-03-14 09:30:34 AM  
I said it in another thread, but it's funny how a fantasy series like Game of Thrones looks way more believable than the bible mini-series.
 
2013-03-14 09:34:04 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Farking Canuck: Do DC comics contradict themselves every other page?

Just about

FirstNationalBastard: ...and no one reads them, either.

Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground

Well, they succeeded in driving creators away from Vertigo and killing it, so why not start on what little else makes money?

/if you could go back in time to 2000 and tell your younger counterpart that by 2012, Vertigo would be a dead imprint while Image would be putting out some of the best creator-owned books on the market, you could watch as your younger self laughed until they shiat themselves.


This. I'm pissed about Saucer Country. It's been a slow build, but the comic is really starting to get good now. It makes sense from a sales perspective, but it still sucks to lose that weird little comic.
 
2013-03-14 09:36:41 AM  

verbaltoxin: Just make a clean break and start a new continuity if you're going to do that,


I think the issue is, writers WANT to do that but are being prevented from doing that because DC wants to try and emulate Marvel and their continuity but they fail to realize that it took Marvel literally decades to build up to what they have now and also had to spend some time out in comic book wilderness.

Its like they farking totally didn't learn their lesson when the comic industry collapsed in the 90's
 
2013-03-14 09:39:40 AM  

The Troof hurts: Unlike most comic books, the people in the Bible actually existed.


The Bible is less like a comic (no cool pictures) and more just a collection of old-timey fanfic.
 
2013-03-14 09:41:06 AM  

Marshmallow Jones: They both get the zilches who follow them to fork over a bunch of money for childish nonsense.


For a second there I thought I was on the Jason Statham/Star Wars thread.
 
2013-03-14 10:09:15 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: verbaltoxin: Just make a clean break and start a new continuity if you're going to do that,

I think the issue is, writers WANT to do that but are being prevented from doing that because DC wants to try and emulate Marvel and their continuity but they fail to realize that it took Marvel literally decades to build up to what they have now and also had to spend some time out in comic book wilderness.


Next up: Crisis in Infinite Gothams.
 
2013-03-14 10:21:36 AM  

Farking Canuck: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Come to think of it, the bible is a lot like comics. Well at least DC comics. Both have plot and story arcs that lead nowhere with holes you could drive a truck through that often make no sense.

Do DC comics contradict themselves every other page?


i76.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-14 10:24:48 AM  

The Troof hurts: Unlike most comic books, the people in the Bible actually existed.


Some of them did.  I doubt any historical evidence exists to prove or even suggest Noah ever existed.  There certainly isn't any evidence all of humanity came from a handful of people that survived a flood that happened only 10,000 years ago.  Nor is there any evidence all the animals in the world migrated to where they are now from the landing point of a wooden ship in the Middle East.
 
2013-03-14 10:26:27 AM  
Because we're getting more idiotic as a whole.
 
2013-03-14 10:31:46 AM  
An yet ANOTHER 'Tolerant Fark Liberal Atheist'(tm) is heard from.

Tell me Subby do you denegrate Islam and Hindu when you make fun of believers or just Christians?

Or are you like Dawkins?  While insulting Christians during an Al Jazeera  interveiw a few weeks was asked about the 'truth' of the Koran and said 'I'm not very familiar with (the Koran)'.

That comment alone shows that Dawkins is a farking grandstanding hack.
 
2013-03-14 10:32:10 AM  

browntimmy: I said it in another thread, but it's funny how a fantasy series like Game of Thrones looks way more believable than the bible mini-series.


I'd like to see a miniseries about The Bible with a cast and production on level with GoT. Right now it just feels too amateurish. History probably aired it before Vikings so that Vikings would look like an amazing achievement in The Bible's wake.
 
2013-03-14 10:43:07 AM  

douchebag/hater: An yet ANOTHER 'Tolerant Fark Liberal Atheist'(tm) is heard from.

Tell me Subby do you denegrate Islam and Hindu when you make fun of believers or just Christians?

Or are you like Dawkins?  While insulting Christians during an Al Jazeera  interveiw a few weeks was asked about the 'truth' of the Koran and said 'I'm not very familiar with (the Koran)'.

That comment alone shows that Dawkins is a farking grandstanding hack.


lulz islam is just as full of crap
 
2013-03-14 10:44:17 AM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Come to think of it, the bible is a lot like comics. Well at least DC comics. Both have plot and story arcs that lead nowhere with holes you could drive a truck through that often make no sense.


Spiderman's brain has been replaced with Dr. Octopus'.  Your argument is invalid.
 
2013-03-14 10:51:23 AM  

I_C_Weener: Spiderman's brain has been replaced with Dr. Octopus'. Your argument is invalid.


Spiderman is like the read headed step child of Marvel, they only passingly accept his existence and when they do its to make him look silly on purpose.
 
2013-03-14 11:13:34 AM  
Unlike most comic books, the people in the Bible actually existed.

The two women in "Two Broke Girls" exist as well, but they are not actual waitresses.
 
2013-03-14 11:26:04 AM  

Gifted Many Few: I am waiting for a reboot and a modern spin with the whole Christ story. Joe can still be a carpenter, but working on a building sites in the PJs of Trenton. Mary can be the virgin and how they find out about the conception is on Maury. The wise men could be three of Joe's homies from around the block.

It nearly writes itself.


Reminds me of a certain Nick Cave song:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBAYr73mlTk
 
2013-03-14 11:29:31 AM  
I would say that it has something to do with the fact that biblical IP is free and unencumbered with any copyright issues.
 
2013-03-14 11:31:04 AM  
Also, this:

goodcomics.comicbookresources.com
 
2013-03-14 11:31:14 AM  
Subby is a God-hater who will die and go to Hell

(my comic version)

If you're really that blind to the Bible, if it makes no sense to you and if you feel a deeply juvenile need to mock things where you have have neither understanding nor standing ... I suggest you move to Saudi Arabia and pen articles about Mohammed as a devil channeling Persian. See what that gets you.
 
2013-03-14 11:34:16 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: If you're really that blind to the Bible, if it makes no sense to you and if you feel a deeply juvenile need to mock things where you have have neither understanding nor standing ... I suggest you move to Saudi Arabia and pen articles about Mohammed as a devil channeling Persian. See what that gets you.


Blind to which parts? The hundreds of self-contradictions? The horrific, god-condoned violence and murder? Or maybe the hate speech?

Which parts do you feel we are not seeing?
 
2013-03-14 11:36:52 AM  

karnal: GalFriday: karnal: With the exception of The Bible mini series and the resent Poping of St Francis, I don't know of any other "religious" shows out there.

Meadowlark Lemmon Hour of Worship

With the exception of The Bible mini series, the Meadowlark Lemmon Hour of Worship and the recent Poping of St Francis, I don't know of any other "religious" shows out there


Thank you!  That made me feel better.
 
2013-03-14 11:48:39 AM  
And I'm sure that when Islam becomes the largest religion in the world, which it will due to birthrates and rising rejection of Christianity, the anti-theists will be as bold in their snark and not at all afraid of being called intolerant or getting a brick to the face.
 
2013-03-14 11:51:46 AM  

Jumpin Jbot: And I'm sure that when Islam becomes the largest religion in the world, which it will due to birthrates and rising rejection of Christianity, the anti-theists will be as bold in their snark and not at all afraid of being called intolerant or getting a brick to the face.

 When we come out of hiding after you guys are done with your holy wars, we'll probably be just as mean.
 
2013-03-14 12:01:54 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: I suggest you move to Saudi Arabia and pen articles about Mohammed as a devil channeling Persian. See what that gets you.


It's good to see a Christian Dominionist actually admitting that Saudi Arabia is the template they're working from for organizing their theocracy.
 
2013-03-14 12:04:00 PM  

Jumpin Jbot: And I'm sure that when Islam becomes the largest religion in the world, which it will due to birthrates and rising rejection of Christianity, the anti-theists will be as bold in their snark and not at all afraid of being called intolerant or getting a brick to the face.


Well, I'm sure you're impregnating your wife every ten months as a good Quiverful adherent, aren't you?
 
2013-03-14 12:15:47 PM  
To all the XZOMG UR MOCKING TEH BIBUL! ANTI-CHRISTIANIST WHARRRRRRRRR people, read the headline carefully...

"religious stories".

Doesn't specify Christianity, Islam, or any other religion, it says "religious stories".

They're all fairy tales, folks. Just like comic books.

/I'd say comic books and the characters are the modern mythology. Give it 2,000 years and Galactus might have replaced  God.
 
2013-03-14 12:24:25 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: I_C_Weener: Spiderman's brain has been replaced with Dr. Octopus'. Your argument is invalid.

Spiderman is like the read headed step child of Marvel, they only passingly accept his existence and when they do its to make him look silly on purpose.


Yeah, I've been reading Avengers the last few months and was surprised to see Spider-Man is one now. But I can't figure out WHY he's an Avenger. He hasn't done a damn thing except make wisecracks that could have been handled by Iron Man.
 
2013-03-14 12:51:35 PM  
I just read a story from Therevada Buddhism about someone trying to kill him by getting an elephant drunk and letting it lose on him.

That's the kind of insane shiat you just don't see in comic books anymore.

Seriously -  http://ignca.nic.in/jatak079.htm
 
2013-03-14 01:33:35 PM  
i335.photobucket.com

Fictional Characters with Extraordinary Powers can excel in media, child? You don't say...
 
2013-03-14 02:00:29 PM  
I am excited about a  new TV show based on Gary Renard's book The Disappearance Of The Universe
 
2013-03-14 02:03:57 PM  
Actually, I have a simpler theory.

Since about 1973, when the Saudi's initiated the oil crisis over the US refusing to turn against Israel, the religion of Islam has suddenly become very predominate. Within a short time, Muslims were becoming the richest folks around and the media was busily digging up everything it could on the religion.

Within a decade, Muslims went from sort of harmless, anachronistic eccentrics to controlling vast amounts of the worlds oil reserves and making billions. They started dictating conditions. Then came the squabbles between old time Muslim sects and more moderate modern versions, which resulted in several wars/rebellions/coups.

The media dutifully reported on women being made to wear the head to toe black traditional garb, refused education and basically denied the global civil rights. Then came the squabble between Sharia Law (religious) and the more modern Government Laws.

Suddenly the hatred for Jews jumped into the news along with squabbles related to Israel. 9/11 happened and people suddenly realized that anti-Christian hate groups could easily slaughter thousands on American soil over political-religious differences.

The Taliban popped up, forcing people to worship in the old ways or basically die. Along came the US involvement in Middle Eastern wars.

Suddenly, Muslims had religious rights and American schools were bending over backwards to accommodate them. Christians started being attacked and vilified by Islam and Atheist groups. Lawsuits attacked the Holiest and most celebrated holiday for Christians: Christmas, forcing Merry Christmas to become Happy Holidays and demanding public decorations related to the holiday not be placed on government soil.

Christian groups attacked Halloween -- pi$$ing off thousands of kids who enjoyed the Holiday while others worked to separate church and state. Several Christian cults popped up to give the religion a bad name, including earlier Jonestown. Along came Waco, then Christian oriented bombings and killings at legal abortion clinics. Up popped Scientology which gained power very fast. Mormonism hit the news with it's illegal but accepted polygamy, secretive nature and doubtful origins.

Southpark gleefully made fun of Christian and Jewish icons, but withheld an Islamic version for fear of starting riots. Muslims had suddenly started rioting and killing if anyone besmirched their Prophet.

Educated investigations into the Bible and Christian History turned up questionable results about a lot of the basic, founding lore, which promptly made it to TV. The all powerful Catholic Church started loosing power in the 70's and by the 80's was involved in pedophilia scandals so much that it became a running joke.

Assorted history and discovery TV series popped up exposing the nasty side of Christianity, along with the bloody history as the religion was distorted and used for self gain by powerful leaders.

Pretty much, within 30 years, Christianity got two black eyes. At the same time, it appeared that globally, everyone was afraid of the newly powerful Muslims. After all, make fun of their beliefs, and hundreds died in riots. (Of course, they managed to kill mainly other Muslims but the Media ignored that little item.)

Things like the Westborough Baptist Church didn't help along with the nasty squabble over homosexual rights based on religious beliefs.

Don't forget the squabble over Evolution and Creationism. That hasn't won many converts to Christianity.

So, Christians are starting to rally. One of the best ways is to use the TV.

I suggest you stock up on popcorn and Cheetoes. Beer also. Plenty of beer. Things just might get rather interesting.
 
2013-03-14 03:16:40 PM  
Walter Brennan
 
2013-03-14 03:21:23 PM  

vudukungfu: Walter Brennan


Worst. westen. ever.
The Guns of Will Sonnett
Every episode started with Walter Brennan with his Boston accent going " Dear Lord... " and then some lame prayer about how they needed help from the godless savages.
 
2013-03-14 03:32:31 PM  

Rik01: Suddenly, Muslims had religious rights and American schools were bending over backwards to accommodate them.


Muslims suddenly gained rights? What happened to the US Constitution? From what I hear it's been around a while and there's a little section on freedom of religion.

Christians started being attacked and vilified by Islam and Atheist groups.

Religions have always hated on each other. Atheists have always either ignored or mocked all religions. So nothing new here either.

Lawsuits attacked the Holiest and most celebrated holiday for Christians: Christmas, forcing Merry Christmas to become Happy Holidays and demanding public decorations related to the holiday not be placed on government soil.

'Merry Christmas' has not become 'Happy Holidays'. Some businesses have voluntarily instructed their employees to use the more inclusive term because they want to include all of their customers. It is called being a smart business person in a free economy.

Putting up one religion's decorations on government soil is in violation of the US Constitution. Lawsuits against constitution violations are nothing new.

So, in summary, your list is a whiny load of crap.
 
2013-03-14 03:41:02 PM  
Sigh. Just another atheism thread with all the children patting each other on their back.
 
2013-03-14 03:52:55 PM  

Inhalien: Sigh. Just another atheism thread with all the children patting each other on their back.


Who believes in men in the sky, again?
 
2013-03-14 04:12:53 PM  

Inhalien: Sigh. Just another atheism thread with all the children patting each other on their back.


I ditched my imaginary friend by the time I was 5, why haven't you?
 
2013-03-14 04:19:05 PM  

Mad_Radhu: FirstNationalBastard: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Farking Canuck: Do DC comics contradict themselves every other page?

Just about

FirstNationalBastard: ...and no one reads them, either.

Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground

Well, they succeeded in driving creators away from Vertigo and killing it, so why not start on what little else makes money?

/if you could go back in time to 2000 and tell your younger counterpart that by 2012, Vertigo would be a dead imprint while Image would be putting out some of the best creator-owned books on the market, you could watch as your younger self laughed until they shiat themselves.

This. I'm pissed about Saucer Country. It's been a slow build, but the comic is really starting to get good now. It makes sense from a sales perspective, but it still sucks to lose that weird little comic.


The best story I can recall hearing about how bad DC has become in the Johns/Didio era is from the creator of Chew, who stated in some interview that he tried to pitch Chew to DC for Vertigo over half a dozen times, and was ignored. He then took the book to Image and it became a hit.

/plus, DC's forcing writers to sign over media rights to their properties so WB can develop them into TV shows or whatever also helped with the mass exodus to Image. I mean, DC had access to Preacher, Transmetropolitan, and Y The Last Man, and did they ever do anything with three surefire hits? And they let two different networks do thinly-veiled Fables rip-offs instead of getting a Fables show on the air. So what chance does any creator with Vertigo have when their biggest properties all lay undeveloped, while Robert Kirkman is out there making fark you money?
 
2013-03-14 05:23:00 PM  

LDM90: Ukab the Great: People love a good story. Stories explain things, they pull heart strings. Science just doesn't have the same power over the human heart. Science just leads to more unanswered questions.

Just because the human heart craves unconditional love...a god sized hole in our lives...doesn't make the existence of god a fact. Sorry Kirk Cameron.

Maybe a little OT here, but this is the thing that bugs me about the Badastronomy types. I really don't care if the science is all that accurate in entertainment. They claim scientific accuracy makes the stories better but usually I don't even notice.

Ignoring gravity is one thing but complaining RED MATTER WAAAH FARK YOU ABRAMS just makes you a whiny douche.


I can't speak for the "types" you're talking about, but I'll say that Phil has never, ever taken that tack. His hook is to use the bad science in those movies as a means to explain real science. It's clever and informative, so long as you aren't the type whose knee jerks whenever it seems like your favorite movie  might be getting criticized.

And, really... of all the example of good art and bad science you could have used to make your case, your go-to example is Red Matter? You don't have to be some kind of scientific purist to think that whole thing was just plain stupid.
 
2013-03-14 05:52:04 PM  
media.comicvine.com

/much better than Walking Dead
 
2013-03-14 06:50:01 PM  
You know who sells the best? Dolph Ziggler.

botchedspot.com

/fWc in the house
 
2013-03-14 07:07:25 PM  

PredDawg8: FirstNationalBastard: Angry that you don't get greenlights, think you submitted this with a better headline, or offended by the bible being compared to comic books?

I'm not a hardcore comic book fan, but I'm still a little miffed at them being compared to the Bible.


"Hey Jesus may be in a book but we got FOOTAGE of Gandalf!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7g9GONtznI

Also "Christmas is Satanic" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXXUoXVvWUk


/OGFurious FTW
 
2013-03-14 08:00:03 PM  

1nsanilicious: Why do some people have the ability to get green lights on thier submissions?

It's the same reason they don't have a life or girlfriends, people who live in thier moms basement have all day to surf the net submitting headlines.


And some people don't have the ability to hide their complete inability to use spelling, grammer, and apostrophes to get their petty whining across.
 
2013-03-14 11:23:28 PM  

Mad_Radhu: FirstNationalBastard: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Farking Canuck: Do DC comics contradict themselves every other page?

Just about

FirstNationalBastard: ...and no one reads them, either.

Unless its Batman, but even now they are trying to drive that money maker into the ground

Well, they succeeded in driving creators away from Vertigo and killing it, so why not start on what little else makes money?

/if you could go back in time to 2000 and tell your younger counterpart that by 2012, Vertigo would be a dead imprint while Image would be putting out some of the best creator-owned books on the market, you could watch as your younger self laughed until they shiat themselves.

This. I'm pissed about Saucer Country. It's been a slow build, but the comic is really starting to get good now. It makes sense from a sales perspective, but it still sucks to lose that weird little comic.


I used to love Vertigo back in the Sandman days. Some really good titles. I personally would like to see someone do a thing like JLI back in the late 80's.
 
mrh
2013-03-15 12:24:32 AM  

douchebag/hater: An yet ANOTHER 'Tolerant Fark Liberal Atheist'(tm) is heard from.

Tell me Subby do you denegrate Islam and Hindu when you make fun of believers or just Christians?


You know what cracks me up.. is Christians who can point out countless logical falacies in the beliefs and in contradictions in the texts of other religions, which is why they can dismiss those religions outright.  Yet they are totally blind to the exact same logical falacies and contradictions in the bible and just take it all on faith.

Christians, do you realize that every "supernatural" claim attributed to Jesus, existed in the belief(s) in mulitple religions that predate Jesus by hundreds of years?     Born of a virgin? Check.   Had 12 disciples?  Check.   Was visted by 3 wise men?  Check!  Performed miricales? Check.   Healed the sick?  Check.   Was crucified and was resurrected 3 days later?  Check.

ALL of these "miracles" existed in a half dozen different religions that existed prior to christianity and were attributed to other "saviors".   All those previous religions and "saviors" are of course false, right?   So God... in his infinate wisdom and infinate intelligence...  couldn't come up with ANYTHING better to do than to steal the ideas of previous/existing "false" religions?

Here's another thing to consider.  We currently have MULTIPLE lines of rock solid evidence that points to evolution being a FACT.  The fossil record, genetics, and Oh yea.. we currently have evidence RIGHT IN THE LAB RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES of evolution taking place.  Oh.. and also experiments taking place of "turning on" genes inside of current animals so they express traits of their long extinct ansestors (ie.. like giving chickens teeth)   Life on this planet evolved over billions of years.   We share common ansestory.. PERIOD.  To refute this.. one would have to disprove not just one.. but THOUSANDS of published and peer reviewed papers over the last 150 years.   Therefore, there was no adam and eve or garden of eden.   If there was no garden of eden.. there was no original sin... if there was no orginal sin.. there was no need for a "savior" to die on a cross and take our sins away.   There are only two possible answers for this.  One.. to stick your hands over one's ears and go "la...la...la.. I'm not listening" or to say "Well.. stories in the bible can be alagory and you can't take them all at face value.. you can't understand the mind of God."   Really?   So if some of the stories in the bible can be alagory... how are we to know which one's are alagory and which ones to take at face value?   Don't you think the all mighty creator of the universe would also be the best author that anyone could ever hope to be times infinity?   Yea.. he didn't "write" the bible per se... but he divinly insipred it.   Don't you think it would be rock solid and irrefutable?

Oh.. and if that's all not enough..  IF one thinks that it's just "impossible" for the human mind to have just come from natural processes.. that there MUST be a creator (which is the argument from ignorance, btw).. then God.. who's mind must be infinatly more intelligent.. MUST have been created?  Right?  It just couldn't have come from nothing or from natural processes.  Right?   Then who created God?  Oh.. God just IS.. he is eternal and always has just been. Then it IS possible for a mind to exist without a creator?   Therefore.. is it not possible for the human mind to exist without a "creator"?
 
2013-03-15 12:41:02 AM  

mrh: douchebag/hater: An yet ANOTHER 'Tolerant Fark Liberal Atheist'(tm) is heard from.

Tell me Subby do you denegrate Islam and Hindu when you make fun of believers or just Christians?

You know what cracks me up.. is Christians who can point out countless logical falacies in the beliefs and in contradictions in the texts of other religions, which is why they can dismiss those religions outright.  Yet they are totally blind to the exact same logical falacies and contradictions in the bible and just take it all on faith.

Christians, do you realize that every "supernatural" claim attributed to Jesus, existed in the belief(s) in mulitple religions that predate Jesus by hundreds of years?     Born of a virgin? Check.   Had 12 disciples?  Check.   Was visted by 3 wise men?  Check!  Performed miricales? Check.   Healed the sick?  Check.   Was crucified and was resurrected 3 days later?  Check.

ALL of these "miracles" existed in a half dozen different religions that existed prior to christianity and were attributed to other "saviors".   All those previous religions and "saviors" are of course false, right?   So God... in his infinate wisdom and infinate intelligence...  couldn't come up with ANYTHING better to do than to steal the ideas of previous/existing "false" religions?

Here's another thing to consider.  We currently have MULTIPLE lines of rock solid evidence that points to evolution being a FACT.  The fossil record, genetics, and Oh yea.. we currently have evidence RIGHT IN THE LAB RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES of evolution taking place.  Oh.. and also experiments taking place of "turning on" genes inside of current animals so they express traits of their long extinct ansestors (ie.. like giving chickens teeth)   Life on this planet evolved over billions of years.   We share common ansestory.. PERIOD.  To refute this.. one would have to disprove not just one.. but THOUSANDS of published and peer reviewed papers over the last 150 years.   Therefore, there was no adam and eve ...


It's interesting that the best way you can describe that rock hard evidence is by saying 'we have it.'
Any idea how carbon dating works? Not exactly foolproof, if we've just been watching it for 50 years, now is it?
That alone casts a lot of doubt.
It's the best theory we have, but don't pretend to know what's behind it or to think that it's rock solid.
Also, you're attacking a straw man. Nobody debates that evolution exists, only that it can explain the origin of life and/or of man.
Also, there are literally no peer reviewed (and not rejected) papers that propose that it's impossible that a man and woman had life breathed into them.
Also, as to the origin of the beginning, it's either an infinite being that we can't understand or it's 'we'll figure it out one day with science.' The second takes a lot more faith than the first.
Also, it's painfully obvious that you're under 20. You're not good at thinking.

I'll break it down. Science answers a set of questions; religion answers another set. Occasionally they run into each other, but you can no more use science to disprove religion or philosophy than vice versa.

Hope I wasn't too mean, but you need setting straight.
 
2013-03-15 04:19:54 PM  
Everything you say and do is based on the assumption that you're right. There is no evidence that you are correct, just your faith.

Other than needing to be spellchecked, MRH's post was spot on. You see "evidence" proving you're wrong as the influence of a god-created devil attempting to lead you astray. So long as you have a fairy tale to enforce your willingness to ignore evidence.. Let me break it down for you.

Science answers the set of questions that detail how we view our origin, lives, and the planet and universe we find ourselves in. It uses evidence and has strict rules for making hypotheses and applying the scientific method to disprove poor concepts.

Religion is a man-created tool used to ignore evidence and replace the unknown with anything just so that it is no longer unknown. Faith is blindly supporting hypotheses for which there is no observable evidence in support of. (For the record I'm not under 20 and would no zero issue eviscerating your entire belief system because all you have is 'faith')


The main problem I have with religion in America is this modern push to say it is JUST as valid as science. They build "Creationist Museums" with dinosaurs with saddles on their backs because cave men must have rode them around since they both are only 6000 years old. I'll take science to tell me how to get to the moon and back and you can keep your religion to comfort you about what is going to happen when you die. If you as a Christian can't eat shrimp or wear two different kinds of cloth like the Bible tells you not to, don't tell me I can't.
 
mrh
2013-03-16 12:04:17 AM  
>It's interesting that the best way you can describe that rock hard evidence is by saying 'we have it.'

I guess you missed the part where I made reference to 1000's of published peer reviewed papers over the last 100+ years.   Do you want me to specifically reference each and every one?  Or would you accept just the top 100?

>Any idea how carbon dating works? Not exactly foolproof, if we've just been watching it for 50 years, now is it?

Funny thing, I didn't even mention carbon dating.  I mentioned the fossil record and genetics, and that there are experiments that have been done showing evolution happening right before our eyes.     The more lines of evidence coming from multiple disciplines all pointing to the same conclusion, the more confident those conclusions become.    Sure, just like anything, gravity could suddenly start working backwards tomorrow and things could repel each other rather than attract, we could never be absolutly certain that wouldn't happen, but I wouldn't bet even a fraction of a cent that it would, just like I wouldn't even bet a clump of dirt that our current understanding of evolution is radically incorrect.

>Also, you're attacking a straw man. Nobody debates that evolution exists, only that it can explain the origin of life and/or of man.

Ok, let me get the straight.  Are you saying that "NOBODY" doubts that evolution exists?   So all religious people believe that humans came to their current form through evolution (even if they believe that was God's mechanism of creation)?   So no Christians believe that the creation story is a fact to be taken at face value, that God created man full formed from dirt and then created woman from a rib?    Not even the one's who believe the universe was created 6000 years ago?  Don't get me started on that topic.  If you are not doubting evolution, it goes back to my point, if there was no "creation" (as described in Genesis), there was no garden of Eden, there was no original sin, etc. etc.   So if the creation story is not factual, then how are we supposed to know which part of the bible is factual and which is not?   Why could the entire new testament be just as alagory as the creation story in genesis?  Or how are we supposed to know that the bible is correct on ANYTHING and that the holy text of any of the other 1000's of religions throughout human history is the truth?   I always contend that if a believer truely understood why they reject all the 1000's of other God's that man has invented throughout history, then they would finally understand why I go one step further and reject the God that they believe in.

>Also, there are literally no peer reviewed (and not rejected) papers that propose that it's impossible that a man and woman had life breathed into them.

Really?  You really want to go there?   Seven simple words:  Because there is no evidence for it.  And all the, do I have to say it again, MULTIPLE LINES OF EVIDENCE point to the exact same conclusion that all life on this planet is the result of evolution.   There's also no peer reviewed papers that propose that it's impossible supernovas are really the explosion of a trillion unicorn farts... therefore you can not rule out that it might be possible that supernovas are the result of a trillion unicorns farting, right?  You follow observations and evidence, not just believe that ANYTHING is possible because there's not a paper claiming that it's not.

>Also, as to the origin of the beginning, it's either an infinite being that we can't understand or it's 'we'll figure it out one day with science.' The second takes a lot more faith than the first.

Logical fallacy:  Argument from personal incredulity and a false dichotomy.   That's like saying that the unexplained noise I heard last night in my house was either a Ghost, or "we'll figure it out one day with science".   No.. there are about a billion natural explanations you would have to rule out before you could even CONSIDER that the possibility might be that it's a ghost, and then you still have a major problem.  First you must prove that ghosts exist or that it's even possible for ghosts to exist before you could even consider the possibility that it was a ghost that made the noise.   I think that it takes a hell of a lot less faith to conclude that science will figure out what the noise was, before we could conclude "It's a ghost".

>Also, it's painfully obvious that you're under 20. You're not good at thinking.

And you are painfully wrong.  But I wish I were under 20.  I would give almost anything to have this level of critical thinking back when I was a teen.

But here's what it boils down to.  Do you know what evidence it would take for me to even consider that their just MIGHT be a God out there?  A repeatable double blind controlled experiment that shows that prayer works, beyond just white noise.  Not that I would fall to my knees from one experiment showing a 25% result of answered prayer.. but a 1000 such experienments repeated, each one tighter and tighter controlled and each showing a high statistical significance would really point towards something very interesting going on.  But.. oh right.. those experiments have been done.. and the tighter the controls on the experiment.. the results approach zero.. or even show a slight negative result.    But the bible says that you can move mountains if you have the faith of a mustard seed.   Oh, but you can't test God right?   And sometimes God's answer might be "no", right?   And prayers are answered in God's time and God's ways, right?    Oh, that's right... just more special pleading.

But on the contrary, what evidence would be acceptable to you, to give up your belief in God?   My bet is nothing.   So if you already know your conclusion, and will ignore any and all mountains of evidence and logic that point to the fallacies in your belief,  then there really is no discussion.

So I realize it's incredibly unlikly anything I say could change your mind. You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. I'm only responding back so that something I say might sway someone out there who is on the fence.
 
mrh
2013-03-16 12:43:53 AM  
Oh.. and one more thing.   Science simply doesn't CARE.   Science doesn't care weither there is a God or isn't a God.   Science doesn't care if you believe in a God or not, or if I do, or about anything else.    It's simply a process to evaluate evidence and observation to rule out what is true vs. what is not.   It's self correcting upon further evidence, and it simply doesn't care what anyone' beliefs are.. and it's the best method we have to come to the truth.

Tim Minchin put it best. "Science changes it's views based upon what is observed... Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved".

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.   Some book written thousands of years ago by iron age sheep herders and copied over and over and over again by scribes is not evidence.    I can find living people today who would swear up and down till their dying day that they were abducted by aliens, but chances are you wouldn't believe them.  And they are living and breathing standing right before you today, so why would anyone belief ancient texts written almost 2000 years ago when they believed in demons and all sorts of supernatural things?

It's easy to think... what's the harm... let people believe in whatever they want, what's it to you?   Well.. here is what it is to me:

1)  Any belief in false claims weakens one's critical thinking skills and understanding of biases and how we decieve ourselves and opens them up to being decieved by other false claims (alternative medicenes, conspiracy theories, etc.)

2)  Someone's belief in fairy tales should not be a guiding principles in determining the laws that I (or anyone else) lives by.

3)  Do I really need to state how much conflict/war in the world is caused by differences in religious ideologies?

4)  When people pray.. they actually think they are doing something.   People pray for the people in Japan with the tsunami last year.   Or people pray for New York during hurricane Sandy, or people pray for starving children in third world countries, or people pray for Aunt Suzy who is dieing of cancer.    And they think they are actualy DOING something.   NO.. the people who are actually doing something, are the one's who are actually doing something... weither they are physically in the trenches helping out.. or donating money to the cause.   If all you do is "pray" about something... then you are doing nothing.  The only thing you are actually doing is making yourself feel good because you feel you are doing something.    You're not.

5) People waste their life, thinking that their time here on earth.. is just the practice run and that their "real" life, which is the eternity that they will spend with Jesus/God in heaven.    Umm... no.. you're just wasting your life... this life... right here, right now... is all you have.. you better make it worth while, it's the only chance you've got.
 
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