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(SFGate)   San Francisco Symphony musicians go on strike after finding it too difficult to make ends meet on $147,000/yr with full benefits and 10 weeks paid vacation   (sfgate.com) divider line 17
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2013-03-14 07:39:13 AM  
4 votes:
World's smallest violin.  They should take a lesson from the 49ers. I mean world class musicians making that kind of money? Ridiculous!It is not like they are filling stadiums or anything. No one what's to listen to that crap anyway. If they want money, they should have played sports!
2013-03-14 08:36:58 AM  
3 votes:

DrPainMD: Nothing else matters.


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Did someone say overpaid musicians?!?!
2013-03-14 07:57:10 AM  
2 votes:

manwithdaplan: My belief, without reading the whole article, is that playing in the symphony is not a strictly full-time gig. Can't they find work teaching private lessons? Seems to me if they can dedicate 10-20 hours per week doing that, they might be doing just fine.


Or they could just quit altogther and get 15 McJobs.
2013-03-14 07:51:29 AM  
2 votes:
This seems appropriate:

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2013-03-14 07:42:07 AM  
2 votes:
The most pertinent example in this regard is principal timpanist David Herbert, who is leaving the orchestra after 19 years to join the Chicago Symphony Orchestra.


Wait, the guy than bangs on the big drums? Because I saw a kid busking with some plastic buckets who was really good.
2013-03-14 05:49:28 PM  
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: FullMetalPanda: My understanding of California, especially for locations like SF, 147,000 is barely above poverty levels there due to how expensive everything is?

what's more expensive?  groceries?? like a box of Wheaties costs $10 in california?

a gallon of whole milk costs $20?


No, the issue would be housing, and only really if one wanted to live in San Francisco itself (where a 2 bedroom house with no yard would be a million dollars).  There are plenty of places in California where $150k will buy you a 4 bedroom house (I own such a house), but San Fran ain't one of them.
2013-03-14 03:49:52 PM  
1 votes:

starlost: want their cake and eat it too
so the instruments cost alot of money.  just like a good mechanic wants to use his own tools its not up to the repair garage they work for to buy them. i know half a dozen mechanics and tradesmen that have $100-250k in tools and they don't make $150k a year.


You're right because a wrench and a violin are exactly the same.

They are mad because they are being forced to pay for their own instruments which takes up like half of their salaries, but people on the internet are reading it as "They make more than me so sour grapes rarrrr rarr".

/Also, saying that you can replace these guys with new musicians is like saying you can replace NBA players with guys from the Y
2013-03-14 01:19:23 PM  
1 votes:
$147,000? That's almost enough to buy you a cardboard box on the sidewalk near 6th and Market.
2013-03-14 09:01:39 AM  
1 votes:

Spanky_McFarksalot: Businesses maximizing revenue equal "merica, fark yeah!
Workers maximizing wages equal, dirty commie ingrates outta be happy with that got, derp!


Pretty much.

How many people in this thread have gone to see their local symphony?

Your local flyover country symphony may have been disbanded, but the symphonies in the big cities are doing juuuust fine. Just like Broadway shows are doing fine. High end talent should be getting high end pay. If the SF Symphony thinks they can get away with hiring a local symphonic High School Band and throwing them out there and fill seats for the same price, they'll do it.


They can't.

and to you morons who think that playing a musical instrument at a high (big city symphony) level isn't hard, or that these people don't deserve their pay because they don't compose their own material (and how would you know they aren't doing that as well?) fark yourselves. I'm sorry no one came to see your shiathole band back when you were in High School, i'm sure you were *this* close to making it big.
2013-03-14 08:57:33 AM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: FullMetalPanda: My understanding of California, especially for locations like SF, 147,000 is barely above poverty levels there due to how expensive everything is?

And you would be correct. The costs of the "advantages" of living in a liberal-stronghold.



Yes, I'm sure it has everything to do with California being predominately liberal and nothing at all to do with the fact that larger cities are always more expensive to live in.  Next up: Tokyo, Moscow, Seoul, London, Hong Kong, and Paris are all "liberal strongholds".
2013-03-14 08:24:22 AM  
1 votes:
According to the article they need to pay for their instruments, which supposedly can cost as much as $1 million according to the article.  So it doesn't sound like a ton of money if you factor that in.  Maybe they could pay for their instruments and then offer them a lower wage or something.
2013-03-14 08:16:56 AM  
1 votes:

digistil: FullMetalPanda: My understanding of California, especially for locations like SF, 147,000 is barely above poverty levels there due to how expensive everything is?

This. Isn't the average mediocre apartment over $2k per month around San Fran?


But it comes with a grand view of sodomites.
Everywhere
2013-03-14 08:10:27 AM  
1 votes:
Businesses maximizing revenue equal "merica, fark yeah!
Workers maximizing wages equal, dirty commie ingrates outta be happy with that got, derp!
2013-03-14 08:02:51 AM  
1 votes:
"Oh it's so horrible how expensive it is living here in California! I can't believe how much rent costs and food and gas, oh my!"

"Why don't you move?"

"Oh my, I could never do that. It's sunny here"
2013-03-14 07:57:27 AM  
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: FullMetalPanda: My understanding of California, especially for locations like SF, 147,000 is barely above poverty levels there due to how expensive everything is?

what's more expensive?  groceries?? like a box of Wheaties costs $10 in california?

a gallon of whole milk costs $20?


Housing costs in Cali are insane.  SF area is especially bad, worse than Manhattan.

Sales tax is also high in Cali than it is almost anywhere else in the country.  And yes, food is more expensive there.  Gas costs (therefore, transport costs) are higher as well

Do you feel stupid yet, or should I continue?
2013-03-14 07:28:12 AM  
1 votes:
Next week's headline: 'All-new SF Symphony's debut concert'
2013-03-14 07:15:23 AM  
1 votes:
My understanding of California, especially for locations like SF, 147,000 is barely above poverty levels there due to how expensive everything is?
 
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