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(CBS Chicago)   Is Wisconsin known for cheese or sleaze? A dealer is in hot water after selling a $42,000 SUV to a blind, dying, 90-year-old man on morphine in hospice   (chicago.cbslocal.com) divider line 53
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2013-03-14 12:36:50 AM
That car dealer is a future governor
 
2013-03-14 12:46:32 AM

Klippoklondike: That car dealer is a future governor


Reminds me of one time a girl I was dating slapped me. Her family was "non-denominational Christian." The church they went to was in a store front that used to be a used car dealership. When she explained this, I asked her, "So the guy who owned the dealership realized he could make more if he just opened a church?"

/unapologetic atheist
 
2013-03-14 12:47:28 AM
But it's in great shape with low mileage

/totally worth 42K
 
2013-03-14 01:28:16 AM
"Here I'm 90 years old and now what?" said Thomsen.

well I'm 12 years old and what is this?
 
2013-03-14 02:04:17 AM
One of the things I find most frustrating about being an atheist is that there is no hell.
 
2013-03-14 02:49:22 AM
"Barb Tinker says her brother, David McMurray, was the one who wanted the SUV. She says he secretly took their elderly mother from Illinois to the Wisconsin dealership.  "

There's the villain in this story.  Farking asshole.
 
2013-03-14 02:52:39 AM
i780.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-14 05:52:49 AM
Did he knock a hundred dollars off that Trucoat?
 
2013-03-14 05:53:51 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: One of the things I find most frustrating about being an atheist is that there is no hell.


Try Morgantown, WV.
 
2013-03-14 06:14:41 AM
Both.

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2013-03-14 06:20:54 AM
The Mississippi of the North strikes again.
 
m00
2013-03-14 06:22:11 AM
Ah-ha! Here is the problem

"It's morally wrong what they did and how they did it," said Barb Tinker. "They exploited the elderly people."

At the Kenosha, Wisconsin, dealership, Savini spoke with a man who identified himself as the manager and said, "Everything was done legally."


See, only a sociopath doesn't understand there is a difference between morality and legality.
 
2013-03-14 06:29:32 AM
yes
 
2013-03-14 06:30:42 AM

m00: Ah-ha! Here is the problem

"It's morally wrong what they did and how they did it," said Barb Tinker. "They exploited the elderly people."

At the Kenosha, Wisconsin, dealership, Savini spoke with a man who identified himself as the manager and said, "Everything was done legally."

See, only a sociopath doesn't understand there is a difference between morality and legality.


no, an idiot doesn't understand. A sociopath doesn't care.
 
2013-03-14 06:33:07 AM
I don't find the car salesman morally wrong of anything. The brother is the sleaze who is taking advantage of dying old people and the banks are morons for approving loans their customers can't logically pay off before death. The salesman has to feed his family, too -- and if some young guy comes in and says he wants a $42k SUV and that his parents are gonna sign for him -- that deal is getting done. Is it the salesman responsibility to be a family councilor and look for red flags other than legal ones? Fark off, everyone wants to blame salespeople for their horrible judgement. Like they extort people.

/former salesman
//current government employee
 
2013-03-14 06:34:11 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: m00: Ah-ha! Here is the problem

"It's morally wrong what they did and how they did it," said Barb Tinker. "They exploited the elderly people."

At the Kenosha, Wisconsin, dealership, Savini spoke with a man who identified himself as the manager and said, "Everything was done legally."

See, only a sociopath doesn't understand there is a difference between morality and legality.

no, an idiot doesn't understand. A sociopath doesn't care.


This.

A good person is moral regardless of the law.

A sociopath is whatever they want regardless of morality or law.

An idiot thinks law = morality.
 
2013-03-14 06:36:18 AM
I just took a book out of the library. The sociopath next door. By Martha Stout.
 
2013-03-14 06:40:56 AM
Caveat Emptor.
 
2013-03-14 06:42:28 AM
image.lyricspond.com
 
2013-03-14 06:43:24 AM

Shirley Ujest: I just took a book out of the library. The sociopath next door. By Martha Stout.


She sounds fat.
 
2013-03-14 06:47:01 AM

PunGent: Shirley Ujest: I just took a book out of the library. The sociopath next door. By Martha Stout.

She sounds fat.


Compared to her editor, Amber Ale, she is.
 
2013-03-14 06:56:19 AM

thamike: ecmoRandomNumbers: One of the things I find most frustrating about being an atheist is that there is no hell.

Try Morgantown, WV.


High fives and bro-fists for you.
 
2013-03-14 07:05:31 AM
I once went commando to work.  What does that mean?
 
2013-03-14 07:08:18 AM

irgunner: I don't find the car salesman morally wrong of anything. The brother is the sleaze who is taking advantage of dying old people and the banks are morons for approving loans their customers can't logically pay off before death. The salesman has to feed his family, too -- and if some young guy comes in and says he wants a $42k SUV and that his parents are gonna sign for him -- that deal is getting done. Is it the salesman responsibility to be a family councilor and look for red flags other than legal ones? Fark off, everyone wants to blame salespeople for their horrible judgement. Like they extort people.

/former salesman
//current government employee


I agree the salesman was blameless. If he refused, you would hear shouts about freedom and such things. He doesn't know the family history, he isn't a councillor, he sells cars.
 
2013-03-14 07:15:21 AM
Only hot water he should be in is with the bank, who is probably not going to be doing business with him in the future.

But anyway, I came for this and it looks like I'll have to do it myself...

i676.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-14 07:20:00 AM
I seem to recall an incident where a salesman sold the same car 4 or 5 times to an old man with dementia. The old guy got it in his head that he wanted a car, and the sales guy sold it to him. Next day he drives the new car to the dealership forgetting that he just bought it. So the salesman sold him the same car over and over.

The family found out about this and took it to the news, and the dealership offered to refund the money like the nice people they were.
 
2013-03-14 07:25:00 AM

thamike: Did he knock a hundred dollars off that Trucoat?


No, cause he didn't get the finders fee.
 
2013-03-14 07:34:38 AM
Yes, the dealership was partly to blame but here is the REAL culprit:

FTFA:Barb Tinker says her brother, David McMurray, was the one who wanted the SUV. She says he secretly took their elderly mother from Illinois to the Wisconsin dealership.

I am no fan of car dealers.  They are generally sleazebags and you have to be extremely careful with them, but it was family that ulitmately was to blame for this one.

/Farking Loser
 
2013-03-14 07:35:46 AM
I've dealt with Palmen many times. They are not out to rip you off.

Dude was a sleaze trying for a truck for free
 
2013-03-14 07:48:35 AM

Cold_Sassy: but it was family that ulitmately was to blame for this one.


Yep, I have to go with this as well.  Sounds like the car dealership probably made the right play, if nothing else for publicity problems, but it's clear who the real ass-clown of this story is.
 
2013-03-14 07:49:48 AM

irgunner: I don't find the car salesman morally wrong of anything. The brother is the sleaze who is taking advantage of dying old people and the banks are morons for approving loans their customers can't logically pay off before death. The salesman has to feed his family, too -- and if some young guy comes in and says he wants a $42k SUV and that his parents are gonna sign for him -- that deal is getting done. Is it the salesman responsibility to be a family councilor and look for red flags other than legal ones? Fark off, everyone wants to blame salespeople for their horrible judgement. Like they extort people.

/former salesman
//current government employee


there is a grey area here as it states the man was "in hospice", as we don't know if he was actually under hospice care in a Hospital. but many States have clear laws against signing contracts in a Hospital by a person under sedation or in other circumstances. bells and whistles should have gone off for the salesman, but of course there is a probability that he did not know he was participating in a morally reprehensible act from which he would profit.
 
2013-03-14 07:54:12 AM
Sounds like the son scammed everyone, to me.
 
2013-03-14 08:01:02 AM
1- came for the Used Cars reference... very happy.
2- Did the guy run accross to the next state and hide in hotel?

That's what I thought they did when in trouble?
 
2013-03-14 08:01:54 AM
Its a car dealership. The state is irrelevant, they're all scum.
 
2013-03-14 08:11:20 AM
Ok that's unscrupulous but that's nothing new, the question is WHY?  Why "scam" a financed car onto someone who OBVIOUSLY had no capabilities or intention of ever making a payment on it?  Seems like a business model doomed to failure.
 
2013-03-14 08:13:46 AM
The asshole kid did this, not the dealership.  Plus the dealership set everything right when they could have really screwed these people over.

/cheese
 
2013-03-14 08:20:29 AM

Mitch Mitchell: I once went commando to work.  What does that mean?


you are too lazy to do enough laundry and your drawers must have smelled something foul
 
2013-03-14 08:38:04 AM
FTFA: He died three weeks after the family says a Palmen Motors employee went to the couple's home to get the dying man's signature on a contract.

See, here is the problem with saying the salesman was 'unaware' of anything wrong with the deal. He went to their house. And saw nothing? Nothing at all that might make him say, "Hmmm".? Sorry, I am not buying it. Having been around many friends and family who were dying at home with Hospice there as well, the house looks like a mini hospital.

Yes, the brother/son is a scumbag, but so was the salesman for drooling over a sale more than being a human being and saying "Something is fishy here.

/Yes, the dealershiop made things right.... after an investigative news crew was standing at their door...
// this may be why I am still unemployed... I just can't lower myself to the 'lack of humanity' level it takes to be a salesman in our current economy.
/// which is why I find it funny when I see all the ads for retail stores and the like where they crow about 'customer satisfaction' being their number one priority. That is a lie and they know it. Profit is their number one priority... why not just be honest about it?
 
2013-03-14 09:04:21 AM
Because of our investigation, an attorney for Palmen Motors called CBS 2 tonight to say they regret the way this transaction turned out. They are now going to buy the car back, pay off the loan and make the family whole for all they lost in the transaction.

Whoa, they can bring back the dead father?
 
2013-03-14 09:55:36 AM
payattention:
// this may be why I am still unemployed... I just can't lower myself to the 'lack of humanity' level it takes to be a salesman in our current economy.
/// which is why I find it funny when I see all the ads for retail stores and the like where they crow about 'customer satisfaction' being their number one priority. That is a lie and they know it. Profit is their number one priority... why not just be honest about it?


I was fired from Palmen after working there for a month because I was "not aggressive enough" and "not greedy enough." I told them "Thank you" and walked out.

/Nevermind that they hired me to only sell new cars a month after Cash for Clunkers ended and I went days without even seeing a potential customer walk on the lot.
 
2013-03-14 10:09:26 AM

m00: Ah-ha! Here is the problem

"It's morally wrong what they did and how they did it," said Barb Tinker. "They exploited the elderly people."

At the Kenosha, Wisconsin, dealership, Savini spoke with a man who identified himself as the manager and said, "Everything was done legally."

See, only a sociopath doesn't understand there is a difference between morality and legality.


Except it wasn't done legally.
 
2013-03-14 11:25:13 AM

Russ1642: m00: Ah-ha! Here is the problem

"It's morally wrong what they did and how they did it," said Barb Tinker. "They exploited the elderly people."

At the Kenosha, Wisconsin, dealership, Savini spoke with a man who identified himself as the manager and said, "Everything was done legally."

See, only a sociopath doesn't understand there is a difference between morality and legality.

Except it wasn't done legally.


What's important is that they thought it was done legally.  I mean, they said so right there.  It makes everything all better when you think you're doing stuff legally.  (I feel comfortable using legal jargon in everyday life.)
 
2013-03-14 12:04:15 PM

Sid_6.7: /unapologetic atheist


The funny part is there's no formal study for atheist apologists.  But Christian apologists have a formal course of study....

Makes you think for a while

/I'm with you
 
2013-03-14 12:55:16 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: One of the things I find most frustrating about being an atheist is that there is no hell.


No. The idea of hell keeps quite a few people in line. The frustrating thing is the vast number of athiests, claiming to be believers, who prey.
 
2013-03-14 01:19:29 PM

Dear Jerk: ecmoRandomNumbers: One of the things I find most frustrating about being an atheist is that there is no hell.

No. The idea of hell keeps quite a few people in line. The frustrating thing is the vast number of athiests, claiming to be believers, who prey.


Mostly on the weak and infirm.
 
2013-03-14 01:37:43 PM
Salesman said she did not seem to be suffering from dementia but daughter says she is yet article cites a quote from the 90 year old who apparently wasn't demented at the interview time?

Yes the brother is the culprit but if the son took his mom to the dealer and she agreed to buy a car and there did not seem to be an issue... meh. Seems the daughter thought she was OK enough for an interview

Spouses can sign for spouses with the right information. My mother did that to my dad... A BUNCH of times :-/
 
2013-03-14 02:07:26 PM
Is this not the target demographic for SUV owners? It would seem so by watching most of them drive.
 
2013-03-14 02:15:14 PM
This is on the brother for exploiting his own mother and the bank for allowing the loan to go through.
I strongly dislike car dealerships and their salesforce, but this is not their fault and certainly not morally wrong of them.
 
2013-03-14 03:25:35 PM

sloshed_again: I've dealt with Palmen many times. They are not out to rip you off.

Dude was a sleaze trying for a truck for free


Nailed it right there. When I sold cars this happened all the time. Son/daughter/grandchild wants car, doesn't have the income/credit to get it, gets grammy to cosign. Half the time the old folks knew full well what was going to happen and just didn't care. From what I read, the dealership did the right thing. The son is a sleazeball and deserves whatever he gets.

Like someone else said, don't blame the salesman. He's just trying to make a living, and if the deal isn't breaking any laws, it's all good. I know that just because something's legal doesn't make it ethical, but you still have to pay the rent somehow.
 
2013-03-14 05:32:23 PM

ManifestDestiny: thamike: ecmoRandomNumbers: One of the things I find most frustrating about being an atheist is that there is no hell.

Try Morgantown, WV.

High fives and bro-fists for you.


Ah Marshall man!  We used to give you guys alcohol poisoning.

/by accident!
 
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