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2013-03-14 12:48:39 AM  

Weaver95: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...


You said 'rape' thrice...
 
2013-03-14 12:48:49 AM  

LordOfThePings: "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

Good enough for me. Put him in jail.

Seriously, this is the dirt you found?


Evidence doesn't matter. He's a Catholic, therefore by definition he's at the very least a kiddie-fiddler. Throw him in jail and swallow the key, says I.
 
2013-03-14 12:48:59 AM  

Weaver95: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...


Plus who knows how many people have died of aids in Africa because of condom bans.
 
2013-03-14 12:49:01 AM  

milsorgen: phlegmmo: obligatory
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This adds so much to the discussion, thanks Grammaristas!


Unless a mod changed it, the headline is fine as it is.
 
2013-03-14 12:49:52 AM  
Still my favorite Catholic ....

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-14 12:50:12 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-14 12:50:51 AM  

Peki: farkingismybusiness: MadSkillz: He looks like the guy from those Infiniti commercials back in the 90s, who was also a James Bond villain in the forgettable "Tomorrow Never Dies"

I was going to say he looks like the bad guy in The Adventures of Baron Von Munchausen. Turns out it's the same guy.
[llamabutchers.mu.nu image 475x336]
Good call.

I can't be the only one who remembers him in Jumpin' Jack Flash.

/I'm not even that old


That movie is only two years older than Munchausen. It's just that nobody likes Whoopi Goldberg.
 
2013-03-14 12:51:04 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Weaver95: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...

Plus who knows how many people have died of aids in Africa because of condom bans.

 
2013-03-14 12:51:32 AM  

iron_city_ap: Nobody crosses Frankie Hats.


Frankie Hats?

You owe me a keyboard.
 
2013-03-14 12:52:06 AM  
www.trektoday.com
/as seen on "Pope Space Nine"
//hot as a wormhole
 
2013-03-14 12:53:42 AM  

Weaver95: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...


I don't think people ever had respect for the Roman Catholic Church. They ruled nonbelievers with fear of death, and their followers with fear of damnation. Now that they can't publicly execute anyone who doesn't follow them the floodgates have opened wide.

/followers, sadly, still afraid of damnation
//it's extortion
 
2013-03-14 12:53:51 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Plus who knows how many people have died of aids in Africa because of condom bans.


Yeah, I'm sure the real problem is that the men contracting AIDS by f*cking around on their wives were too pious to strap on a rubber johnny while they were doing it. Doubtless it's all the Church's fault that they opted to break the Church's teachings on sexual fidelity and abstinence outside marriage.
 
2013-03-14 12:54:41 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Homophobic Hitler youth

Youth ... possibly kidnapped helped kidnap two men ...

/FTFM.
//When is Fark going to get an edit button?
///Also, if the allegations are true, it's not as bad as Pope Sidious' role in the rape scandals, but that doesn't make it alright.
 
2013-03-14 12:54:44 AM  

Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?


I thought Pinochet was Chile?
 
2013-03-14 12:57:25 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.


Anybody care to bet whether he'd be alive if he had endorsed their work to a bunch of psychopathic CIA-trained gangsters? Having a hard time getting too outraged here.
 
2013-03-14 12:59:21 AM  

Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?


Fluorescent Testicle: Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?

Homophobic Hitler youth who possibly raped children (or at the very least, helped cover for the people who did) to homophobic Pinochet stooge who possibly kidnapped two men (or at the very least, sold them out to the people who did). Yep, that Catholic Church sure knows how to resonate with the people of today!


You know how I know you're too young to remember Pinochet?
 
2013-03-14 12:59:45 AM  

GrogSmash: If this is all they can dig up on this guy, I'm actually encouraged.

From the sounds of the article, he merely kept his mouth shut to the ruling party about his 'subversive' activities, and when the two got grabbed, went out of his way to get them released.


Yes, clearly this:

Both men were freed after Bergoglio took extraordinary, behind-the-scenes action to save them - including persuading dictator Jorge Videla's family priest to call in sick so that he could say Mass in the junta leader's home, where he privately appealed for mercy. His intervention likely saved their lives, but Bergoglio never shared the details until Rubin interviewed him for the 2010 biography.

Is tantamount to kidnapping, raping, murdering and eating the victims all by himself. What a monster.
 
2013-03-14 01:01:30 AM  
J. Frank Parnell:
I don't think people ever had respect for the Roman Catholic Church. They ruled nonbelievers with fear of death, and their followers with fear of damnation. Now that they can't publicly execute anyone who doesn't follow them the floodgates have opened wide.

/followers, sadly, still afraid of damnation
//it's extortion


no, the church could honestly have claimed to have been a moral authority in world.  But then when we found out about the pedophilia cover up and the financial scandals it was over.  the Church lost whatever moral high ground they once had.  They've lost the right (if ever they had it in the first place) to tell other people how to live their lives or what was right and wrong.

which doesn't mean the Church won't try to recover.  i'm not sure how you go about rebuilding trust and respect in the wake of all these scandals...but I expect them to try anyway.  they've lasted THIS long, so they've gotta have some idea on how to survive.  but it wont be easy and they wont' rebuild without taking serious losses in the process.
 
2013-03-14 01:02:17 AM  

Surpheon: I thought Pinochet was Chile?


Oh, whoops, you're right. Didn't even think to double-check that one. :P
 
2013-03-14 01:02:51 AM  
There's a new pope? Sorry, was staring at the banner ad (still am ... and so are you)

www.eonline.com
 
2013-03-14 01:04:02 AM  

LibertyHiller: You know how I know you're too young to remember Pinochet?


Yeah, he said Pinochet and I just assumed he'd checked. Mea culpa.
 
2013-03-14 01:04:11 AM  

Surpheon: Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?

I thought Pinochet was Chile?


He was. Argentina's 70s war criminal/dictator was Jorge Rafael Videla. Not to be confused with Uruguay's  Juan María Bordaberry, Paraguay's Alfredo Stroessner, Bolivia's Hugo Banzer, or Brazil's Emílio Garrastazu Médici...
 
2013-03-14 01:04:58 AM  

Weaver95: they've lasted THIS long, so they've gotta have some idea on how to survive.


I think the answer is surprisingly simple.

They wait. In the end, the church will still be here, and their accusers won't. Arrest a priest, execute a nun, won't matter in the end, and the faithful might even be more faithful for the martyrs. They don't necessarily need numbers at this point, just endurance.

There is something to be said for having such a long-term experience of the world.
 
2013-03-14 01:05:01 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


Ratzinger was a disgrace in how he actively shielded pedophile priests before he was pope. Deep down in my gut, I know there was a scandal that caused him to step down, not health issues.

Pope Francis on the other hand, leaves me cautiously optimistic. I mostly like the cut of his gib, especially in regards to his concern for the sick and the poor. His stance on gays isn't something I agree with, but at the same time I'm not sure how you can be a Cardinal and not have to toe the party line from Rome to a certain extent, despite what you may personally believe. Maybe things will be a little different now that he has the infallibility.

I'm reserving judgement, but my first gut feeling is that Francis is genuinely a good human being, so he could be a real force for good, unlike Ratzinger who just screamed scumbag from day one.
 
2013-03-14 01:06:32 AM  

Bermuda59: So is it too early for a "Lighten up Francis" reference?



Yes!

That was supposed to be MY joke, dammit!
 
2013-03-14 01:08:08 AM  
Don't Cry for Me,  Argentina.
 
2013-03-14 01:08:57 AM  
"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

He didn't do that, hombre.  Know how I know?You're not dead.
 
2013-03-14 01:10:32 AM  

Mad_Radhu: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

Ratzinger was a disgrace in how he actively shielded pedophile priests before he was pope. Deep down in my gut, I know there was a scandal that caused him to step down, not health issues.

Pope Francis on the other hand, leaves me cautiously optimistic. I mostly like the cut of his gib, especially in regards to his concern for the sick and the poor. His stance on gays isn't something I agree with, but at the same time I'm not sure how you can be a Cardinal and not have to toe the party line from Rome to a certain extent, despite what you may personally believe. Maybe things will be a little different now that he has the infallibility.

I'm reserving judgement, but my first gut feeling is that Francis is genuinely a good human being, so he could be a real force for good, unlike Ratzinger who just screamed scumbag from day one.


The way it works is that you don't get to be a cardinal without toeing the party line. All of the electing cardinals were named to the College by John Paul II or Benedict XVI. The process self-selects for line-toers.
 
2013-03-14 01:10:38 AM  

kiwimoogle84: It's always something.

/I am jack's complete lack of surprise

imgix.8tracks.com

/The only reason they still have power is land holdings and Central and South America. I wonder how much drug money is laundered through South American Parishes.
 
2013-03-14 01:10:54 AM  

Peki: Weaver95: they've lasted THIS long, so they've gotta have some idea on how to survive.

I think the answer is surprisingly simple.

They wait. In the end, the church will still be here, and their accusers won't. Arrest a priest, execute a nun, won't matter in the end, and the faithful might even be more faithful for the martyrs. They don't necessarily need numbers at this point, just endurance.

There is something to be said for having such a long-term experience of the world.


You mean their illusion of the world shrouded in the vatican bubble?
 
2013-03-14 01:11:04 AM  

Triumph: First Jesuit pope ever. That probably won't garner much discussion.


I think technically he is  a former Jesuit, as he has had to renounce his community.  OTOH, they are "God's Marines", so maybe they share that approach.  "Once a Jesuit, always a Jesuit."?
 
2013-03-14 01:11:31 AM  

Mad_Radhu: I'm reserving judgement, but my first gut feeling is that Francis is genuinely a good human being, so he could be a real force for good, unlike Ratzinger who just screamed scumbag from day one.


He broke from tradition within the first five minutes of his papacy when he asked the people to pray for him first. I think it bodes well for the future of the church, but I'm cautious too. I remember reading an article that was suggesting from day 1 that Benedict would be a short, transitional pope, as the Vatican knew it had no chance of giving JP II's successor a chance at a decent legacy. If the Vatican's lucky, the pedophilia scandal will quiet and be left as part of Benedict's legacy. Whether it was a scandal, or that the Vatican is finally ready to make some substantive changes, or that they are just looking for a younger face that will relate (but not really) to the younger crowd? That we won't know until further down the line.

I like the implications for social justice, even if reproductive and LGBT rights are left on the clothes line a little longer.
 
2013-03-14 01:11:38 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.


Well, some Catholics believe they can be accomplices to murder by providing health insurance that includes contraceptives to their employees.
 
2013-03-14 01:13:25 AM  

rustypouch: Weaver95: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...

You said 'rape' thrice...


I guess Weaver95 likes rape.

/the sheriff is near?
 
2013-03-14 01:14:03 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.

Well, some Catholics believe they can be accomplices to murder by providing health insurance that includes contraceptives to their employees.


and some non-catholics eat people, and commit mass murder.
 
2013-03-14 01:14:44 AM  
Looks like it's all taken care of.
History catches up with you quick once you're in the limelight.

Breaking News
 
2013-03-14 01:15:51 AM  
every sperm, pope frank

www.eyeonsoaps.com
 
2013-03-14 01:16:09 AM  
Hey, he's Argentinian.  Ex-Pope Joey the Rat will be in good hands.   Argentines how to treat old retired Nazis.
 
2013-03-14 01:17:05 AM  

Farxist Marxist: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

Well, there is no end of good material.

Here, try this:


One day little Johnny, the altar boy, walks in on father Benefacto masturbating.
"What are you doing, father?"
"Masturbating", says the priest. "You'll be doing this soon."
"Why's that father?"
"Because my wrist is killing me!"


The coffee stains end 5 feet, 2 inches past the tip of my nose... a new record!

+12
 
2013-03-14 01:19:28 AM  

farkingismybusiness: MadSkillz: He looks like the guy from those Infiniti commercials back in the 90s, who was also a James Bond villain in the forgettable "Tomorrow Never Dies"

I was going to say he looks like the bad guy in The Adventures of Baron Von Munchausen. Turns out it's the same guy.
[llamabutchers.mu.nu image 475x336]
Good call.


www.hotflick.net
You stupid shiate!
 
2013-03-14 01:19:36 AM  

Peki: I like the implications for social justice,


By which you mean the forcible redistribution of wealth...

even if reproductive and LGBT rights

And by "reproductive rights" you of course mean the right to prevent reproduction.

are left on the clothes line a little longer.

Along with the weasel words of the Left, let's hope.
 
2013-03-14 01:20:01 AM  

Weaver95: no, the church could honestly have claimed to have been a moral authority in world. But then when we found out about the pedophilia cover up and the financial scandals it was over. the Church lost whatever moral high ground they once had. They've lost the right (if ever they had it in the first place) to tell other people how to live their lives or what was right and wrong.


It's always been a blatantly corrupt and 'evil' institution. Really. The only thing happening recently is another generation is realizing it, but can speak freely without fear of death or torture by them.

I feel like i should clarify i don't level the same kind of hatred at anyone who believes in god, and that's not what this is about.
 
2013-03-14 01:20:03 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


Not here on fark. The bigotry is curtailed.
 
2013-03-14 01:20:21 AM  

Weaver95: DECADES of kiddie rape


Centuries.
 
2013-03-14 01:23:02 AM  

Vectron: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


It's not like Farkers assert that every single priest in a pedophile.


Just that the ones that aren't did a bang up job of covering for their chum. Not to say that pesos don't exist in equal numbers in protestant churches, or any other faith. They just had organizational muscle.
 
2013-03-14 01:24:53 AM  

erik-k: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.

Anybody care to bet whether he'd be alive if he had endorsed their work to a bunch of psychopathic CIA-trained gangsters? Having a hard time getting too outraged here.


This.  The junta was killing nuns and torturing priests in 1976.  The military would have rolled right over the Jesuits.
 
2013-03-14 01:25:14 AM  
This means Richard Dawkins is automatically Pope and Bergoglio has to karaoke "What If God Was One Of Us" from the Sistine Chapel balcony.
 
2013-03-14 01:26:39 AM  

gadian: Weaver95: DECADES of kiddie rape

Centuries.


Proof? My understanding is that the kiddie- fiddler priest problem in the Catholic Church is mostly postwar and coincidental with the rise of homosexual influence within the seminaries and subsequently the priesthood (which is why almost none of the Church's sex scandals involve the abuse of young girls). Naturally, if you have any proof to the contrary I'd be interested to hear it.
 
2013-03-14 01:26:53 AM  

Surpheon: Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?

I thought Pinochet was Chile?


Apparently the story of Juan Peron and his obscure wife is a mystery tale worthy of Paul Harvey.
 
2013-03-14 01:27:56 AM  

Popular Opinion: BarkingUnicorn: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.

Well, some Catholics believe they can be accomplices to murder by providing health insurance that includes contraceptives to their employees.

and some non-catholics eat people, and commit mass murder.


What's your point?   Mine is that Catholics are very good at finding sins where none exist (just like Farkers).
 
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