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2013-03-13 11:48:44 PM  
He looks like the guy from those Infiniti commercials back in the 90s, who was also a James Bond villain in the forgettable "Tomorrow Never Dies"
 
2013-03-13 11:53:43 PM  
According to "The Silence,"

Doctor!!!
 
2013-03-13 11:57:23 PM  
Really? We're surprised that a senior member of one of the most corrupt organizations on this planet may have a skeleton or two in his closet? Hell, I'd wager that absolutely none of the cardinals are innocent of harbouring sexual predators, so what's a kidnapping or two then?
 
2013-03-14 12:02:29 AM  
There is no way someone gets that high in an organization such as the Catholic Church and has no skeletons in their closet.
 
2013-03-14 12:05:57 AM  
obligatory
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2013-03-14 12:06:51 AM  
Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?
 
2013-03-14 12:13:06 AM  
it's too early yet to say which way this one is gonna jump.
 
2013-03-14 12:14:39 AM  
Pope goes the weasel
 
2013-03-14 12:22:58 AM  
First Jesuit pope ever. That probably won't garner much discussion.
 
2013-03-14 12:23:24 AM  
The priests were found "drugged and seminude, in a field"

As Catholic scandals go, I have to say I like any Pope who has a scandal attached to him that sounds like it should start with "Two Jesuits walk into a bar..."
 
2013-03-14 12:27:05 AM  
It's always something.

/I am jack's complete lack of surprise
 
2013-03-14 12:27:08 AM  
Nobody crosses Frankie Hats.
 
2013-03-14 12:28:52 AM  
His last name looks like 'Beer Goggles'
 
2013-03-14 12:29:06 AM  
I just wanna know which Star Wars character we'll be using to mock him.
 
2013-03-14 12:29:35 AM  
And so it begins...
/first to say it!
 
2013-03-14 12:30:25 AM  
not seeing the issue here

he tried to protect his people during a time of strife, and when two got "Arrested" for breaking the "law of the land" he got in to the dictators inner circle to get his people released
 
2013-03-14 12:30:39 AM  

Gwendolyn: There is no way someone gets that high in an organization such as the Catholic Church and has no skeletons in their closet.


I'm not even Catholic and I have a few dead hookers I mean skeletons in my closet
 
2013-03-14 12:31:14 AM  

MadSkillz: He looks like the guy from those Infiniti commercials back in the 90s, who was also a James Bond villain in the forgettable "Tomorrow Never Dies"


I was going to say he looks like the bad guy in The Adventures of Baron Von Munchausen. Turns out it's the same guy.
llamabutchers.mu.nu
Good call.
 
2013-03-14 12:31:16 AM  

Triumph: First Jesuit pope ever. That probably won't garner much discussion.


I thought Jesuits weren't supposed to be homophobic bigots.
 
2013-03-14 12:31:30 AM  
I'm curious, when and how do papal candidates get 'vetted' for these sorts of shenanigans? Is every Cardinal subjected to a certain amount of scrutiny? Is it possible for someone to move up the ranks peacefully without getting themselves entangled in an internal scrum that would require a thorough muckraking?
 
2013-03-14 12:31:51 AM  
"They surfaced five months later, drugged and seminude, in a field,"

So wrong that i laughed at that.
 
2013-03-14 12:32:11 AM  
TFA: Per the, "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery." Bergoglio discussed the incident with Sergio Rubin, his authorized biographer.

This is idiotic. First off, 'effectively handed them over' is not the same as sold them out. Simply because the Cardinal was smart enough to keep his mouth shut does not make him a villain in any regard (except for the James Bond-ish way). Secondly, the two priests didn't die. And thirdly, What was the Cardinal supposed to do? Actively work against the ruling military junta? This is stupid media bullshiat at its finest.
 
2013-03-14 12:33:39 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-14 12:33:56 AM  
So is it too early for a "Lighten up Francis" reference?
 
2013-03-14 12:35:23 AM  
Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.
 
2013-03-14 12:36:02 AM  

phlegmmo: obligatory
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Headline has it right.
 
2013-03-14 12:36:43 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


Irish need not apply.
 
2013-03-14 12:37:37 AM  

Yaxe: TFA: Per the, "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery." Bergoglio discussed the incident with Sergio Rubin, his authorized biographer.

This is idiotic. First off, 'effectively handed them over' is not the same as sold them out. Simply because the Cardinal was smart enough to keep his mouth shut does not make him a villain in any regard (except for the James Bond-ish way). Secondly, the two priests didn't die. And thirdly, What was the Cardinal supposed to do? Actively work against the ruling military junta? This is stupid media bullshiat at its finest.



Please. This is Fark. What do you think you're doing? Take that logic shiat to The Economist letters section.
 
2013-03-14 12:38:09 AM  
Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.
 
2013-03-14 12:38:32 AM  

Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?


Homophobic Hitler youth who possibly raped children (or at the very least, helped cover for the people who did) to homophobic Pinochet stooge who possibly kidnapped two men (or at the very least, sold them out to the people who did). Yep, that Catholic Church sure knows how to resonate with the people of today!
 
2013-03-14 12:38:40 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


You are right. We should follow the Catholics example and be more tolerant of different lifestyles.
 
2013-03-14 12:38:47 AM  

phlegmmo: obligatory
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This adds so much to the discussion, thanks Grammaristas!
 
2013-03-14 12:39:24 AM  
If this is all they can dig up on this guy, I'm actually encouraged.

From the sounds of the article, he merely kept his mouth shut to the ruling party about his 'subversive' activities, and when the two got grabbed, went out of his way to get them released.
 
2013-03-14 12:39:34 AM  
At this point I think we should be making lists of who in the Catholic Church  hasn't done something horribly bad previously...
 
2013-03-14 12:39:38 AM  

Bermuda59: So is it too early for a "Lighten up Francis" reference?


Prolly by a day or two. He has to stick his Pravdas in his mouth first.
 
2013-03-14 12:39:58 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


It's not just Catholics.  We mock Mormons too
 
2013-03-14 12:40:00 AM  
Wow, I went to church back in the '77 to '85 era, I bet this pope totally farking "gets it"
 
2013-03-14 12:40:11 AM  

farkingismybusiness: MadSkillz: He looks like the guy from those Infiniti commercials back in the 90s, who was also a James Bond villain in the forgettable "Tomorrow Never Dies"

I was going to say he looks like the bad guy in The Adventures of Baron Von Munchausen. Turns out it's the same guy.
[llamabutchers.mu.nu image 475x336]
Good call.


It's Mr. Dark (he's so much hotter with a beard.)

I think he looks like this Ed Wynn.
 
2013-03-14 12:40:55 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...
 
2013-03-14 12:40:55 AM  

farkingismybusiness: MadSkillz: He looks like the guy from those Infiniti commercials back in the 90s, who was also a James Bond villain in the forgettable "Tomorrow Never Dies"

I was going to say he looks like the bad guy in The Adventures of Baron Von Munchausen. Turns out it's the same guy.
[llamabutchers.mu.nu image 475x336]
Good call.


I still think of him as the Infinity spokesman. I still hear his breathless voiceover for the "incredible i30" in my head every time I see an Infinity dealer.
 
2013-03-14 12:41:50 AM  

farkingismybusiness: MadSkillz: He looks like the guy from those Infiniti commercials back in the 90s, who was also a James Bond villain in the forgettable "Tomorrow Never Dies"

I was going to say he looks like the bad guy in The Adventures of Baron Von Munchausen. Turns out it's the same guy.
[llamabutchers.mu.nu image 475x336]
Good call.


I can't be the only one who remembers him in Jumpin' Jack Flash.

/I'm not even that old
 
2013-03-14 12:42:21 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: phlegmmo: obligatory
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Headline has it right.


Yeah, but not originally.  And now my post makes me look like an idiot.


"Bra-VO."
www.movievillains.com
 
2013-03-14 12:44:39 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

It's not just Catholics.  We mock Mormons too


So do I. Raised as one- I know the best jokes.
 
2013-03-14 12:45:48 AM  

Peki: I can't be the only one who remembers him in Jumpin' Jack Flash.

/I'm not even that old


I remember him in that. I loved that movie as a kid.
 
2013-03-14 12:46:32 AM  
"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

Good enough for me. Put him in jail.

Seriously, this is the dirt you found?
 
2013-03-14 12:46:43 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.



It's not like Farkers assert that every single priest in a pedophile.
 
2013-03-14 12:47:08 AM  
"We always said in an admiring way, that the Jesuits have formed the greatest intelligence service in the world, always have." - CIA Agent/Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt
 
2013-03-14 12:47:41 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


Well, there is no end of good material.

Here, try this:


One day little Johnny, the altar boy, walks in on father Benefacto masturbating.
"What are you doing, father?"
"Masturbating", says the priest. "You'll be doing this soon."
"Why's that father?"
"Because my wrist is killing me!"


 
2013-03-14 12:47:47 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


Misuse of the word "bigotry" is popular again I see.
 
2013-03-14 12:47:58 AM  

katerbug72: I think he looks like this Ed Wynn.
www.latimes.com



FTFM
/the new pope isn't creepy looking like the last one
 
2013-03-14 12:48:39 AM  

Weaver95: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...


You said 'rape' thrice...
 
2013-03-14 12:48:49 AM  

LordOfThePings: "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

Good enough for me. Put him in jail.

Seriously, this is the dirt you found?


Evidence doesn't matter. He's a Catholic, therefore by definition he's at the very least a kiddie-fiddler. Throw him in jail and swallow the key, says I.
 
2013-03-14 12:48:59 AM  

Weaver95: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...


Plus who knows how many people have died of aids in Africa because of condom bans.
 
2013-03-14 12:49:01 AM  

milsorgen: phlegmmo: obligatory
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This adds so much to the discussion, thanks Grammaristas!


Unless a mod changed it, the headline is fine as it is.
 
2013-03-14 12:49:52 AM  
Still my favorite Catholic ....

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-14 12:50:12 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-14 12:50:51 AM  

Peki: farkingismybusiness: MadSkillz: He looks like the guy from those Infiniti commercials back in the 90s, who was also a James Bond villain in the forgettable "Tomorrow Never Dies"

I was going to say he looks like the bad guy in The Adventures of Baron Von Munchausen. Turns out it's the same guy.
[llamabutchers.mu.nu image 475x336]
Good call.

I can't be the only one who remembers him in Jumpin' Jack Flash.

/I'm not even that old


That movie is only two years older than Munchausen. It's just that nobody likes Whoopi Goldberg.
 
2013-03-14 12:51:04 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Weaver95: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...

Plus who knows how many people have died of aids in Africa because of condom bans.

 
2013-03-14 12:51:32 AM  

iron_city_ap: Nobody crosses Frankie Hats.


Frankie Hats?

You owe me a keyboard.
 
2013-03-14 12:52:06 AM  
www.trektoday.com
/as seen on "Pope Space Nine"
//hot as a wormhole
 
2013-03-14 12:53:42 AM  

Weaver95: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...


I don't think people ever had respect for the Roman Catholic Church. They ruled nonbelievers with fear of death, and their followers with fear of damnation. Now that they can't publicly execute anyone who doesn't follow them the floodgates have opened wide.

/followers, sadly, still afraid of damnation
//it's extortion
 
2013-03-14 12:53:51 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Plus who knows how many people have died of aids in Africa because of condom bans.


Yeah, I'm sure the real problem is that the men contracting AIDS by f*cking around on their wives were too pious to strap on a rubber johnny while they were doing it. Doubtless it's all the Church's fault that they opted to break the Church's teachings on sexual fidelity and abstinence outside marriage.
 
2013-03-14 12:54:41 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Homophobic Hitler youth

Youth ... possibly kidnapped helped kidnap two men ...

/FTFM.
//When is Fark going to get an edit button?
///Also, if the allegations are true, it's not as bad as Pope Sidious' role in the rape scandals, but that doesn't make it alright.
 
2013-03-14 12:54:44 AM  

Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?


I thought Pinochet was Chile?
 
2013-03-14 12:57:25 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.


Anybody care to bet whether he'd be alive if he had endorsed their work to a bunch of psychopathic CIA-trained gangsters? Having a hard time getting too outraged here.
 
2013-03-14 12:59:21 AM  

Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?


Fluorescent Testicle: Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?

Homophobic Hitler youth who possibly raped children (or at the very least, helped cover for the people who did) to homophobic Pinochet stooge who possibly kidnapped two men (or at the very least, sold them out to the people who did). Yep, that Catholic Church sure knows how to resonate with the people of today!


You know how I know you're too young to remember Pinochet?
 
2013-03-14 12:59:45 AM  

GrogSmash: If this is all they can dig up on this guy, I'm actually encouraged.

From the sounds of the article, he merely kept his mouth shut to the ruling party about his 'subversive' activities, and when the two got grabbed, went out of his way to get them released.


Yes, clearly this:

Both men were freed after Bergoglio took extraordinary, behind-the-scenes action to save them - including persuading dictator Jorge Videla's family priest to call in sick so that he could say Mass in the junta leader's home, where he privately appealed for mercy. His intervention likely saved their lives, but Bergoglio never shared the details until Rubin interviewed him for the 2010 biography.

Is tantamount to kidnapping, raping, murdering and eating the victims all by himself. What a monster.
 
2013-03-14 01:01:30 AM  
J. Frank Parnell:
I don't think people ever had respect for the Roman Catholic Church. They ruled nonbelievers with fear of death, and their followers with fear of damnation. Now that they can't publicly execute anyone who doesn't follow them the floodgates have opened wide.

/followers, sadly, still afraid of damnation
//it's extortion


no, the church could honestly have claimed to have been a moral authority in world.  But then when we found out about the pedophilia cover up and the financial scandals it was over.  the Church lost whatever moral high ground they once had.  They've lost the right (if ever they had it in the first place) to tell other people how to live their lives or what was right and wrong.

which doesn't mean the Church won't try to recover.  i'm not sure how you go about rebuilding trust and respect in the wake of all these scandals...but I expect them to try anyway.  they've lasted THIS long, so they've gotta have some idea on how to survive.  but it wont be easy and they wont' rebuild without taking serious losses in the process.
 
2013-03-14 01:02:17 AM  

Surpheon: I thought Pinochet was Chile?


Oh, whoops, you're right. Didn't even think to double-check that one. :P
 
2013-03-14 01:02:51 AM  
There's a new pope? Sorry, was staring at the banner ad (still am ... and so are you)

www.eonline.com
 
2013-03-14 01:04:02 AM  

LibertyHiller: You know how I know you're too young to remember Pinochet?


Yeah, he said Pinochet and I just assumed he'd checked. Mea culpa.
 
2013-03-14 01:04:11 AM  

Surpheon: Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?

I thought Pinochet was Chile?


He was. Argentina's 70s war criminal/dictator was Jorge Rafael Videla. Not to be confused with Uruguay's  Juan María Bordaberry, Paraguay's Alfredo Stroessner, Bolivia's Hugo Banzer, or Brazil's Emílio Garrastazu Médici...
 
2013-03-14 01:04:58 AM  

Weaver95: they've lasted THIS long, so they've gotta have some idea on how to survive.


I think the answer is surprisingly simple.

They wait. In the end, the church will still be here, and their accusers won't. Arrest a priest, execute a nun, won't matter in the end, and the faithful might even be more faithful for the martyrs. They don't necessarily need numbers at this point, just endurance.

There is something to be said for having such a long-term experience of the world.
 
2013-03-14 01:05:01 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


Ratzinger was a disgrace in how he actively shielded pedophile priests before he was pope. Deep down in my gut, I know there was a scandal that caused him to step down, not health issues.

Pope Francis on the other hand, leaves me cautiously optimistic. I mostly like the cut of his gib, especially in regards to his concern for the sick and the poor. His stance on gays isn't something I agree with, but at the same time I'm not sure how you can be a Cardinal and not have to toe the party line from Rome to a certain extent, despite what you may personally believe. Maybe things will be a little different now that he has the infallibility.

I'm reserving judgement, but my first gut feeling is that Francis is genuinely a good human being, so he could be a real force for good, unlike Ratzinger who just screamed scumbag from day one.
 
2013-03-14 01:06:32 AM  

Bermuda59: So is it too early for a "Lighten up Francis" reference?



Yes!

That was supposed to be MY joke, dammit!
 
2013-03-14 01:08:08 AM  
Don't Cry for Me,  Argentina.
 
2013-03-14 01:08:57 AM  
"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

He didn't do that, hombre.  Know how I know?You're not dead.
 
2013-03-14 01:10:32 AM  

Mad_Radhu: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

Ratzinger was a disgrace in how he actively shielded pedophile priests before he was pope. Deep down in my gut, I know there was a scandal that caused him to step down, not health issues.

Pope Francis on the other hand, leaves me cautiously optimistic. I mostly like the cut of his gib, especially in regards to his concern for the sick and the poor. His stance on gays isn't something I agree with, but at the same time I'm not sure how you can be a Cardinal and not have to toe the party line from Rome to a certain extent, despite what you may personally believe. Maybe things will be a little different now that he has the infallibility.

I'm reserving judgement, but my first gut feeling is that Francis is genuinely a good human being, so he could be a real force for good, unlike Ratzinger who just screamed scumbag from day one.


The way it works is that you don't get to be a cardinal without toeing the party line. All of the electing cardinals were named to the College by John Paul II or Benedict XVI. The process self-selects for line-toers.
 
2013-03-14 01:10:38 AM  

kiwimoogle84: It's always something.

/I am jack's complete lack of surprise

imgix.8tracks.com

/The only reason they still have power is land holdings and Central and South America. I wonder how much drug money is laundered through South American Parishes.
 
2013-03-14 01:10:54 AM  

Peki: Weaver95: they've lasted THIS long, so they've gotta have some idea on how to survive.

I think the answer is surprisingly simple.

They wait. In the end, the church will still be here, and their accusers won't. Arrest a priest, execute a nun, won't matter in the end, and the faithful might even be more faithful for the martyrs. They don't necessarily need numbers at this point, just endurance.

There is something to be said for having such a long-term experience of the world.


You mean their illusion of the world shrouded in the vatican bubble?
 
2013-03-14 01:11:04 AM  

Triumph: First Jesuit pope ever. That probably won't garner much discussion.


I think technically he is  a former Jesuit, as he has had to renounce his community.  OTOH, they are "God's Marines", so maybe they share that approach.  "Once a Jesuit, always a Jesuit."?
 
2013-03-14 01:11:31 AM  

Mad_Radhu: I'm reserving judgement, but my first gut feeling is that Francis is genuinely a good human being, so he could be a real force for good, unlike Ratzinger who just screamed scumbag from day one.


He broke from tradition within the first five minutes of his papacy when he asked the people to pray for him first. I think it bodes well for the future of the church, but I'm cautious too. I remember reading an article that was suggesting from day 1 that Benedict would be a short, transitional pope, as the Vatican knew it had no chance of giving JP II's successor a chance at a decent legacy. If the Vatican's lucky, the pedophilia scandal will quiet and be left as part of Benedict's legacy. Whether it was a scandal, or that the Vatican is finally ready to make some substantive changes, or that they are just looking for a younger face that will relate (but not really) to the younger crowd? That we won't know until further down the line.

I like the implications for social justice, even if reproductive and LGBT rights are left on the clothes line a little longer.
 
2013-03-14 01:11:38 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.


Well, some Catholics believe they can be accomplices to murder by providing health insurance that includes contraceptives to their employees.
 
2013-03-14 01:13:25 AM  

rustypouch: Weaver95: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...

You said 'rape' thrice...


I guess Weaver95 likes rape.

/the sheriff is near?
 
2013-03-14 01:14:03 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.

Well, some Catholics believe they can be accomplices to murder by providing health insurance that includes contraceptives to their employees.


and some non-catholics eat people, and commit mass murder.
 
2013-03-14 01:14:44 AM  
Looks like it's all taken care of.
History catches up with you quick once you're in the limelight.

Breaking News
 
2013-03-14 01:15:51 AM  
every sperm, pope frank

www.eyeonsoaps.com
 
2013-03-14 01:16:09 AM  
Hey, he's Argentinian.  Ex-Pope Joey the Rat will be in good hands.   Argentines how to treat old retired Nazis.
 
2013-03-14 01:17:05 AM  

Farxist Marxist: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

Well, there is no end of good material.

Here, try this:


One day little Johnny, the altar boy, walks in on father Benefacto masturbating.
"What are you doing, father?"
"Masturbating", says the priest. "You'll be doing this soon."
"Why's that father?"
"Because my wrist is killing me!"


The coffee stains end 5 feet, 2 inches past the tip of my nose... a new record!

+12
 
2013-03-14 01:19:28 AM  

farkingismybusiness: MadSkillz: He looks like the guy from those Infiniti commercials back in the 90s, who was also a James Bond villain in the forgettable "Tomorrow Never Dies"

I was going to say he looks like the bad guy in The Adventures of Baron Von Munchausen. Turns out it's the same guy.
[llamabutchers.mu.nu image 475x336]
Good call.


www.hotflick.net
You stupid shiate!
 
2013-03-14 01:19:36 AM  

Peki: I like the implications for social justice,


By which you mean the forcible redistribution of wealth...

even if reproductive and LGBT rights

And by "reproductive rights" you of course mean the right to prevent reproduction.

are left on the clothes line a little longer.

Along with the weasel words of the Left, let's hope.
 
2013-03-14 01:20:01 AM  

Weaver95: no, the church could honestly have claimed to have been a moral authority in world. But then when we found out about the pedophilia cover up and the financial scandals it was over. the Church lost whatever moral high ground they once had. They've lost the right (if ever they had it in the first place) to tell other people how to live their lives or what was right and wrong.


It's always been a blatantly corrupt and 'evil' institution. Really. The only thing happening recently is another generation is realizing it, but can speak freely without fear of death or torture by them.

I feel like i should clarify i don't level the same kind of hatred at anyone who believes in god, and that's not what this is about.
 
2013-03-14 01:20:03 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


Not here on fark. The bigotry is curtailed.
 
2013-03-14 01:20:21 AM  

Weaver95: DECADES of kiddie rape


Centuries.
 
2013-03-14 01:23:02 AM  

Vectron: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


It's not like Farkers assert that every single priest in a pedophile.


Just that the ones that aren't did a bang up job of covering for their chum. Not to say that pesos don't exist in equal numbers in protestant churches, or any other faith. They just had organizational muscle.
 
2013-03-14 01:24:53 AM  

erik-k: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.

Anybody care to bet whether he'd be alive if he had endorsed their work to a bunch of psychopathic CIA-trained gangsters? Having a hard time getting too outraged here.


This.  The junta was killing nuns and torturing priests in 1976.  The military would have rolled right over the Jesuits.
 
2013-03-14 01:25:14 AM  
This means Richard Dawkins is automatically Pope and Bergoglio has to karaoke "What If God Was One Of Us" from the Sistine Chapel balcony.
 
2013-03-14 01:26:39 AM  

gadian: Weaver95: DECADES of kiddie rape

Centuries.


Proof? My understanding is that the kiddie- fiddler priest problem in the Catholic Church is mostly postwar and coincidental with the rise of homosexual influence within the seminaries and subsequently the priesthood (which is why almost none of the Church's sex scandals involve the abuse of young girls). Naturally, if you have any proof to the contrary I'd be interested to hear it.
 
2013-03-14 01:26:53 AM  

Surpheon: Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?

I thought Pinochet was Chile?


Apparently the story of Juan Peron and his obscure wife is a mystery tale worthy of Paul Harvey.
 
2013-03-14 01:27:56 AM  

Popular Opinion: BarkingUnicorn: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.

Well, some Catholics believe they can be accomplices to murder by providing health insurance that includes contraceptives to their employees.

and some non-catholics eat people, and commit mass murder.


What's your point?   Mine is that Catholics are very good at finding sins where none exist (just like Farkers).
 
2013-03-14 01:28:15 AM  

Fano: Just that the ones that aren't did a bang up job of covering for their chum. Not to say that pesos don't exist in equal numbers in protestant churches, or any other faith. They just had organizational muscle.


And don't forget the public schools! All those teacher- student sex relationships we read about almost every week on Fark are proof that public education in itself is evil.
 
2013-03-14 01:29:36 AM  
Wow, horrible kidnappings in yet another CIA run dictatorship?

Wow the USA is aggravating.
 
2013-03-14 01:29:57 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Triumph: First Jesuit pope ever. That probably won't garner much discussion.

I thought Jesuits weren't supposed to be homophobic bigots.


Surprise!  Lip service to win hearts and minds != True indication of agenda.

They're Catholics.  They may say things - lie - to bring souls to God, but that is forgivable as long as they are "saving" souls.  Never trust the religious.  For a variety of reasons.
 
2013-03-14 01:30:40 AM  

PatGund: Hey, he's Argentinian.  Ex-Pope Joey the Rat will be in good hands.   Argentines how to treat old retired Nazis.


Was he one of the boys from brazil

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-14 01:31:02 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


I like, almost love , one Catholic. She had her diamond jubilee anniversary a while back. Why yes, she is a nun, and a caring human being. The rest of them ? Meh.
 
2013-03-14 01:31:08 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


I hate all idiotic superstitions equally, numbnuts.
 
2013-03-14 01:31:56 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Well, some Catholics believe they can be accomplices to murder by providing health insurance that includes contraceptives to their employees.


The bottom line is that, whatever you might think of their opinions, they shouldn't be compelled to do anything -- least of all have to outrage their consciences by having to provide coverage for contraception when it already costs next to nothing.
 
2013-03-14 01:33:22 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway . . .


Transubstantiated on the other hand might stick.

 
2013-03-14 01:34:08 AM  

GrogSmash: If this is all they can dig up on this guy, I'm actually encouraged.

From the sounds of the article, he merely kept his mouth shut to the ruling party about his 'subversive' activities, and when the two got grabbed, went out of his way to get them released.


^^^^This.

/atheist
//former catholic
///good on the church for selecting a latino pope
////slashies
 
2013-03-14 01:35:27 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: gadian: Weaver95: DECADES of kiddie rape

Centuries.

Proof? My understanding is that the kiddie- fiddler priest problem in the Catholic Church is mostly postwar and coincidental with the rise of homosexual influence within the seminaries and subsequently the priesthood (which is why almost none of the Church's sex scandals involve the abuse of young girls). Naturally, if you have any proof to the contrary I'd be interested to hear it.


I don't have a link handy but I'll be able to fetch one in a few hours.  I recall a few articles where the Cardinals and such met as early as the 1400's to officially discuss Priest misconduct with children.
 
2013-03-14 01:37:49 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Fano: Just that the ones that aren't did a bang up job of covering for their chum. Not to say that pesos don't exist in equal numbers in protestant churches, or any other faith. They just had organizational muscle.

And don't forget the public schools! All those teacher- student sex relationships we read about almost every week on Fark are proof that public education in itself is evil.


The coverup made things worse than the original crime. Do public schools routinely move pederast teachers to other districts? Probably.

Heck, I made the point in my previous post that there weren't any more pedos in the Catholic faith that the religious population as a whole.
 
2013-03-14 01:38:33 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Peki: I like the implications for social justice,

By which you mean the forcible redistribution of wealth...

even if reproductive and LGBT rights

And by "reproductive rights" you of course mean the right to prevent reproduction.


Actually, I don't. I mean the right TO have a child, in the manner of one's choosing, as well as the right to NOT have a child. Neither right is very well supported in the U.S. at the moment. Next time on Assumption Disjunction!

findthefish: You mean their illusion of the world shrouded in the vatican bubble?


Heh. They do sound a bit like the Teatards.
 
2013-03-14 01:38:56 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: There's a new pope? Sorry, was staring at the banner ad (still am ... and so are you)

[www.eonline.com image 560x415]


That is not Debra Monk
 
2013-03-14 01:40:23 AM  

Mad_Radhu: I'm reserving judgement, but my first gut feeling is that Francis is genuinely a good human being, so he could be a real force for good, unlike Ratzinger who just screamed scumbag from day one.


I really hope you're right, but the Church really hasn't earned any sort of benefit of the doubt here.

What I would like to see is him (well, his spokespeople) address and explain what really happened. If he does that and it turns out that the allegations are false or that he was trying to cover for them rather than sell them out, then I'll take back my insomnia-based biatch-snark. I usually try not to lean towards either side in he-said-she-said situations, but the Church has all the trustworthiness of a grapefruit. :P
 
2013-03-14 01:41:07 AM  
Two priests advocate violent government overthrow, another who remembers what Jesus said about living by the sword refuses to support their idea. That's a scandal alright.
 
2013-03-14 01:42:49 AM  
Yaxe:  And thirdly, What was the Cardinal supposed to do? Actively work against the ruling military junta?

WWJD?
 
2013-03-14 01:43:10 AM  
www.hotflick.net
 
2013-03-14 01:43:12 AM  

Fano: Apparently the story of Juan Peron and his obscure wife is a mystery tale worthy of Paul Harvey.


It wasn't Peron, either. Apparently it was a military junta, and I can't seem to find whether or not they had a leader.
 
2013-03-14 01:43:44 AM  
I always thought the penalty for being a homosexual in the RCC was compulsary entrance into the Jesuit order.
 
2013-03-14 01:56:18 AM  

Bermuda59: So is it too early for a "Lighten up Francis" reference?


Too early? I've been WAITING for it!
 
2013-03-14 01:59:43 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Doubtless it's all the Church's fault that they opted to break the Church's teachings on sexual fidelity and abstinence outside marriage.


Those teachings have a definite effect, or the Church wouldn't waste its breath.

That means people die as a result.
 
2013-03-14 02:00:36 AM  

ideamaster: [www.hotflick.net image 850x478]



goddamned your a genius, you are the first one in this thread to post that picture.

oh shiat, kyle busch blew another motor. i guess he elected a new pope.
 
2013-03-14 02:03:55 AM  
First Jesuit pope ever. That probably won't garner much discussion.

That's the factoid I find most interesting. Why no Jesuits before? Why one now?
 
2013-03-14 02:18:47 AM  
Well you can take the Pope out of Argentina...
 
2013-03-14 02:29:46 AM  

Yaxe:  And thirdly, What was the Cardinal supposed to do? Actively work against the ruling military junta? This is stupid media bullshiat at its finest.


Just had to comment on this: YES, that's exactly what he should have done, if he wanted to retain moral authority. Instead, he chose self-preservation, and his physical authority over his morals. I don't doubt that the situation was complicated, but ultimately cooperation or collaboration with murderous dictators is always wrong. Especially if you're in a position of power and influence and might be able to do something about it.

I don't really blame him (I'd do the same), but then again I don't claim to be the representative of the supreme moral authority for all humanity. I'd be more impressed with the church if more of these guys (bishops, cardinals, and popes) were among the ones dying for their beliefs. But in reality they are just another structure designed to dominate and control. That's why they have almost never directly confronted evil governments in recent memory...their main concern is power, not standing up for the things they claim to believe in. Funny how Catholicism preaches moral absolutes for us lowly individuals (especially when it comes to sex), but suddenly sees moral complexity and grey areas when it comes to the behavior of the church leadership.

It's not that the world isn't morally ambiguous often: it certainly is. But it's the double standard that truly exposes the RCC as the con game that it is. I actually find it sickening that so many people fawningly adore what basically amounts to a modern feudal monarchy. That an organization like the Catholic Church can still draw the respect of millions actually makes me queasy.
 
2013-03-14 02:32:38 AM  

Mnemia: Just had to comment on this: YES, that's exactly what he should have done, if he wanted to retain moral authority.


I'm not familiar with the details of the situation, but it appears that he in fact did work against the junta.  Both you and Yaxe appear to be equating "actively" with "publicly", which isn't necessarily the case.
 
2013-03-14 02:42:11 AM  

chrylis: Mnemia: Just had to comment on this: YES, that's exactly what he should have done, if he wanted to retain moral authority.

I'm not familiar with the details of the situation, but it appears that he in fact did work against the junta.  Both you and Yaxe appear to be equating "actively" with "publicly", which isn't necessarily the case.


Agreed.   Public action often gets you nowhere but the executioner's block.  If you can do more to subvert it covertly, do things covertly.
 
2013-03-14 02:44:33 AM  

Yaxe: TFA: Per the, "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery." Bergoglio discussed the incident with Sergio Rubin, his authorized biographer.

This is idiotic. First off, 'effectively handed them over' is not the same as sold them out. Simply because the Cardinal was smart enough to keep his mouth shut does not make him a villain in any regard (except for the James Bond-ish way). Secondly, the two priests didn't die. And thirdly, What was the Cardinal supposed to do? Actively work against the ruling military junta? This is stupid media bullshiat at its finest.


You mean like Jesus did?  Yeah, that would be bad.
 
2013-03-14 02:56:43 AM  

Weaver95: it's too early yet to say which way this one is gonna jump.


It's gonna go nowhere.  Though there may be some interesting references to DS9 and that time they found out Kai Opaka sacrificed her own son to the Cardassians.

He kept his head down and survived, just like the church did during WWII, just like they would again if threatened by fascists.  A strike against him?  Maybe, but a minor one.  It merely proves what we already knew, his "reformer" credentials are exceedingly relative.
 
2013-03-14 03:04:47 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: gadian: Weaver95: DECADES of kiddie rape

Centuries.

Proof? My understanding is that the kiddie- fiddler priest problem in the Catholic Church is mostly postwar and coincidental with the rise of homosexual influence within the seminaries and subsequently the priesthood (which is why almost none of the Church's sex scandals involve the abuse of young girls). Naturally, if you have any proof to the contrary I'd be interested to hear it.


"The Book of Gomorrah" was written by St. Peter Damian in 1051.  It detailed many sexual sins committed by clergy, including pederasty.  Linked article also describes punishments devised by St. Basil of Cesarea (322-379AD), for the cleric or monk caught making sexual advances (kissing) or sexually molesting young boys or men.  No need for punishments for crimes that haven't happened.
 
2013-03-14 03:09:36 AM  

Weaver95: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...


Don't forget the slavery in Ireland. Some people don't like that whole slavery thing.
Oh and there's the Hospitals of Misery thing in India too.
 
2013-03-14 03:11:12 AM  

gadian: EvilRacistNaziFascist: gadian: Weaver95: DECADES of kiddie rape

Centuries.

Proof? My understanding is that the kiddie- fiddler priest problem in the Catholic Church is mostly postwar and coincidental with the rise of homosexual influence within the seminaries and subsequently the priesthood (which is why almost none of the Church's sex scandals involve the abuse of young girls). Naturally, if you have any proof to the contrary I'd be interested to hear it.

I don't have a link handy but I'll be able to fetch one in a few hours.  I recall a few articles where the Cardinals and such met as early as the 1400's to officially discuss Priest misconduct with children.


Don't bother, I got it covered back to the 4th Century.
 
2013-03-14 03:19:54 AM  
Let's keep this meme going!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-14 03:24:15 AM  

cloud_van_dame: First Jesuit pope ever. That probably won't garner much discussion.

That's the factoid I find most interesting. Why no Jesuits before? Why one now?


Well, they've only been around for about 550 years, so that cuts them out of the running for 3/4 of the the time the Church has existed. The do have some strict conservative members, but most of them break pretty liberal (relatively speaking, at least). Also, they tend to be much more likely to openly question Church Dogma due to the fact that each and every one is highly educated. The order actually got suppressed for about ten years in the late 18th century.
 
2013-03-14 03:26:39 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Yaxe: TFA: Per the, "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery." Bergoglio discussed the incident with Sergio Rubin, his authorized biographer.

This is idiotic. First off, 'effectively handed them over' is not the same as sold them out. Simply because the Cardinal was smart enough to keep his mouth shut does not make him a villain in any regard (except for the James Bond-ish way). Secondly, the two priests didn't die. And thirdly, What was the Cardinal supposed to do? Actively work against the ruling military junta? This is stupid media bullshiat at its finest.

You mean like Jesus did?  Yeah, that would be bad.


Jesus had a mission, which was to die three years after he came out in opposition to the status quo.  This Cardinal's mission was different and longer-term.
 
2013-03-14 03:34:43 AM  

phlegmmo: obligatory
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x268]


STFU, FLOWER!!

image.shutterstock.com
 
2013-03-14 03:36:26 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.


Maybe if you read about how he ducked & dodged and avoided even giving any testimony, that tells you he knows he's damn farking guilty.
 
2013-03-14 04:07:08 AM  

thenumber5: not seeing the issue here

he tried to protect his people during a time of strife, and when two got "Arrested" for breaking the "law of the land" he got in to the dictators inner circle to get his people released


And for this act of valor he will be excoriated by the HuffPo and Fark, bastions of virtue both.
 
2013-03-14 04:10:02 AM  

Yaxe: TFA: Secondly, the two priests didn't die.


Man, can this guy (who everyone here just learned existed 13 hours ago and have dismissed accordingly) do ANYthing right?  He "hands [them] over to death squads" and no death happens? I'm sure there's nothing wrong with the media narrative here, it must be that the guy is a soulless creep.
 
2013-03-14 04:13:34 AM  

MrEricSir: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

Misuse of the word "bigotry" is popular again I see.

Ghastly: Weaver95: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

oh there might be a bit of that here and there, but to be honest I think people simply lost respect for the Church after they covered up kiddie rape and got involved in various tax dodging schemes.  How are we supposed to take the church seriously now?  they covered up DECADES of kiddie rape.  they knew it was wrong and did it anyway.  you cannot claim to be any sort of moral authority after being complicit in covering up the rape of who knows how many children...

Don't forget the slavery in Ireland. Some people don't like that whole slavery thing.
Oh and there's the Hospitals of Misery thing in India too.


The nonpartisan report on Ireland just came out a few weeks ago.  Shockingly, the slavery thing was all but debunked.
 
2013-03-14 04:17:47 AM  
Huffington Post has updated their story. Depending on whom you talk to, Francis either conspired with the junta in the kidnapping of the two priests, or he intervened with the junta to save their lives.

On the basis that Francis was once a Jesuit, my guess is that he did both.
 
2013-03-14 04:42:04 AM  
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
Mind blown.
 
2013-03-14 04:49:22 AM  

Mnemia: I don't really blame him (I'd do the same), but then again I don't claim to be the representative of the supreme moral authority for all humanity. I'd be more impressed with the church if more of these guys (bishops, cardinals, and popes) were among the ones dying for their beliefs. But in reality they are just another structure designed to dominate and control. That's why they have almost never directly confronted evil governments in recent memory...their main concern is power, not standing up for the things they claim to believe in. Funny how Catholicism preaches moral absolutes for us lowly individuals (especially when it comes to sex), but suddenly sees moral complexity and grey areas when it comes to the behavior of the church leadership.


You realize, of course, that the ones out there dying for their beliefs are seldom able to rise far enough in the power structure to become cardinals and popes? Speaking out against a fascist military junta, getting sent to a concentration camp and executed for the things you believe in, while absolutely moral and noble, is going to tend to prevent your being elected Pope later on, even if the guy who DOES become Pope is slightly less moral than the guy rotting in a shallow grave somewhere in Colombia.

I realize the point you're trying to make, despite the snarkiness in the above paragraph; but you do see the inherent contradiction in what you're saying, I hope. Standing up for one's beliefs is relatively easy in America or most of Europe; directly confronting an "evil government" as you say where that evil government makes a practice of killing its foes is not. Survival in such an area means moderating and compromising and often choosing to be silent so that the evil can be reported on or so that, as apparently in this case, the evil leader can be appealed to when necessary. Suppose the then-Cardinal had been tagged as a rabble-rouser and troublemaker when he needed to be able to step in and get the junta to free the priests? They'd be dead, is what would have happened. It may have meant playing along with the junta earlier; but that is also a part of leadership, unfortunately. At least in today's complex world.

It would, of course, be nicer if the Cardinal had stood up in the Plaza and demanded the junta had released his brother priests and shouted his outrage over the conduct of the junta; that might have worked in 1500 when people still believed in the power of the Church to send your soul to Hell. Today, it would have gotten the Cardinal a spot in the ditch next to the bodies of the other two priests, I'm afraid. As it is, morality coexists uneasily with pragmatism.
 
2013-03-14 05:03:28 AM  
"They surfaced five months later, drugged and seminude, in a field,"


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-14 05:06:16 AM  
Pope is coming out?
 
2013-03-14 05:12:43 AM  
So his parents are Italians yet he is an outsider?
 
2013-03-14 05:27:36 AM  

phlegmmo: obligatory
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x268]


congrats on your understanding of proper apostrophe usage that you learned from a cartoon.

Your home town is probably so proud.  Its probably planning a big "Home of Phlegmmo - Apostrophe Professional" sign to put at It's entrance.  I'ts really a shame than no sane people you know cares.
 
2013-03-14 05:59:50 AM  

katerbug72: katerbug72: I think he looks like this Ed Wynn.
[www.latimes.com


Reminds me of Yogi Berra, actually. Even started out kinda sounding like him, in that "wherever I came from, here I am" way.

/New pope has only got one lung, pass it on
// Papa One Lung Frank
///POLF to his pals
//// Slashies
 
2013-03-14 06:06:27 AM  
Call me old fashioned, but is it too much to expect that God's infallible representative on earth would take a principled Jesus-like stand against killing and repression rather than doing nothing, or worse, even participating in it??
 
2013-03-14 06:20:16 AM  
Being a martyr is great for the history books, but affects little change in the present.
 
2013-03-14 06:26:58 AM  
Why do the popes always have to look like super villains?
 
2013-03-14 06:37:28 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


So's your mother.
 
2013-03-14 06:56:09 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: erik-k: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.

Anybody care to bet whether he'd be alive if he had endorsed their work to a bunch of psychopathic CIA-trained gangsters? Having a hard time getting too outraged here.

This.  The junta was killing nuns and torturing priests in 1976.  The military would have rolled right over the Jesuits.


Meh. I expect a certain willingness to die for what one believes is right. It takes no courage to remain silent for one's safety. Courage to follow one's convictions is a quality that we should demand in religious leaders.
 
2013-03-14 06:59:37 AM  

qualtrough: Call me old fashioned, but is it too much to expect that God's infallible representative on earth would take a principled Jesus-like stand against killing and repression rather than doing nothing, or worse, even participating in it??


you don't read much, do you :)
 
2013-03-14 06:59:37 AM  

The Rev. Numbers: "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

He didn't do that, hombre.  Know how I know?You're not dead.


Lolwut
 
2013-03-14 07:02:42 AM  

Bontesla: BarkingUnicorn: erik-k: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.

Anybody care to bet whether he'd be alive if he had endorsed their work to a bunch of psychopathic CIA-trained gangsters? Having a hard time getting too outraged here.

This.  The junta was killing nuns and torturing priests in 1976.  The military would have rolled right over the Jesuits.

Meh. I expect a certain willingness to die for what one believes is right. It takes no courage to remain silent for one's safety. Courage to follow one's convictions is a quality that we should demand in religious leaders.


There's a beautiful speech on this in the novel, Sharks and Little Fishes, where a clergyman is giving the reasons he's not speaking out more against the Nazis and the young navy officer tells him "I believe less than one per cent of the clergy, protestant or catholic, are in prison. What would you think of an infantry regiment where only one man in a hundred was willing to risk his life? You call yourself a Protestant, man of God- then protest!"
 
2013-03-14 07:05:13 AM  

Yaxe: TFA: Per the, "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery." Bergoglio discussed the incident with Sergio Rubin, his authorized biographer.

This is idiotic. First off, 'effectively handed them over' is not the same as sold them out. Simply because the Cardinal was smart enough to keep his mouth shut does not make him a villain in any regard (except for the James Bond-ish way). Secondly, the two priests didn't die. And thirdly, What was the Cardinal supposed to do? Actively work against the ruling military junta? This is stupid media bullshiat at its finest.


and fourth:the claims he was responsible are teneous at best but it IS clear he saved ther priests lives:
Both men were freed after Bergoglio took extraordinary, behind-the-scenes action to save them - including persuading dictator Jorge Videla's family priest to call in sick so that he could say Mass in the junta leader's home, where he privately appealed for mercy. His intervention likely saved their lives, but Bergoglio never shared the details until Rubin interviewed him for the 2010 biography.
 
2013-03-14 07:09:52 AM  
Yawn. Wouldn't be surprised if there were several potential articles written, one for whichever cardinal was elected so there would be a story ready-made on the new pope.
 
2013-03-14 07:18:16 AM  

Yaxe: TFA: Per the, "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery." Bergoglio discussed the incident with Sergio Rubin, his authorized biographer.

This is idiotic. First off, 'effectively handed them over' is not the same as sold them out. Simply because the Cardinal was smart enough to keep his mouth shut does not make him a villain in any regard.

"

All that is required for evil to flourish is for good men to remain silent"

Besides, anyone who's surprised about the Catholic hierarchy being comfortable with dictators was NOT paying attention in the 20th century.
 
2013-03-14 07:19:36 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.


In the right circumstances, you can be legally AND morally accomplice to kidnapping for "simply saying nothing".

You should read more.
 
2013-03-14 07:23:04 AM  

Bontesla: BarkingUnicorn: erik-k: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Has anyone noticed that this article is basically about throwing a bunch of unsubstantiated sh*t at the Pope in case any of it sticks? Nothing was ever proved, but we get to basically tar and feather this guy anyway, because as TFA says:

"Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work."

In other words, you can be accused of being an accomplice to kidnapping simply by not saying anything. Incredible.

Anybody care to bet whether he'd be alive if he had endorsed their work to a bunch of psychopathic CIA-trained gangsters? Having a hard time getting too outraged here.

This.  The junta was killing nuns and torturing priests in 1976.  The military would have rolled right over the Jesuits.

Meh. I expect a certain willingness to die for what one believes is right. It takes no courage to remain silent for one's safety. Courage to follow one's convictions is a quality that we should demand in religious leaders.


especially if you believe in an afterlife, and that one of the best way to to get to heaven is to die a martyr.
he is either a coward or an unbeliever
 
2013-03-14 07:25:19 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Fano: Apparently the story of Juan Peron and his obscure wife is a mystery tale worthy of Paul Harvey.

It wasn't Peron, either. Apparently it was a military junta, and I can't seem to find whether or not they had a leader.


Jorge Rafael Videla; he was in the junta with Emilio Massera and  Orlando Ramón Agosti, but was the one who was de facto President of Argentina.
 
2013-03-14 07:36:06 AM  
Firstly, he's accused of this. And the accusation as has been touched on multiple times amounts to 'he got two men caught by a dictatorship... by not expressly commanding A DICTATOR to release them and/or actively supporting everything the aforementioned CAPTURED BY DICTATOR priests said. So ya. Based on the fact they aren't dead, and that this is an accusation... i'll have to say I'm somewhat more prone to be on Francis' side at this time.

Surely there are more facts to this than presented, but just the way it reads is like slander. Accused of "SENDING (by inaction that would result in harm likely befalling him) two priests INTO THE HANDS OF DEATH SQUADS (who didn't kill the priests) WHICH RESULTED IN THEM GETTING JAILED (which they were released from)" is really, really, really bad form.

HOWEVER... It looks to me like the 'saved them through plea' might itself be the other side of the coin. Is that not, correct me if I'm wrong, is that not from the Former Cardinal's autobiography? Is that really an unbiased source of information? Do we have more than his assertion that that is how everything played out? There may have been other reasons. It's just all... such shoddiness.

That said; still more in line with Francis than the other, until such time that further evidence or additional facts surface.
 
2013-03-14 07:41:47 AM  
Whar red shoes, whar?
 
2013-03-14 07:47:48 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Triumph: First Jesuit pope ever. That probably won't garner much discussion.

I thought Jesuits weren't supposed to be homophobic bigots.


No, they're supposed to be, but they use SCIENCE to back it up.

Or something.
 
2013-03-14 07:51:40 AM  

phlegmmo: JohnAnnArbor: phlegmmo: obligatory
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Headline has it right.

Yeah, but not originally.  And now my post makes me look like an idiot.


"Bra-VO."
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It is the admin's primary responsibility to approve and manage headlines.  It's their secondary duty to f*ck with Farkers at every possible convenience.  ;)
 
2013-03-14 07:51:48 AM  

poorcku: qualtrough: Call me old fashioned, but is it too much to expect that God's infallible representative on earth would take a principled Jesus-like stand against killing and repression rather than doing nothing, or worse, even participating in it??

you don't read much, do you :)


Yes, I do. In fact, I read about six different articles about this issue today. His claims to have helped were issued well after the fact, and there is a strong possibility that he may indeed have assisted the military. In any case, I like to think that Jesus would have taken a strong, principled, and public stand AT THE TIME, regardless of the consequences, and I expect that his Daddy's representative on earth would do the same. Sorry if I hold popes to a higher standard than normal folk.
 
2013-03-14 07:53:48 AM  

Iczer: At this point I think we should be making lists of who in the Catholic Church  hasn't done something horribly bad previously...


1. Find blank sheet of paper
2. Hold it in front of you
3. Profit!
 
2013-03-14 08:05:44 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: gadian: Weaver95: DECADES of kiddie rape

Centuries.

Proof? My understanding is that the kiddie- fiddler priest problem in the Catholic Church is mostly postwar and coincidental with the rise of homosexual influence within the seminaries and subsequently the priesthood (which is why almost none of the Church's sex scandals involve the abuse of young girls). Naturally, if you have any proof to the contrary I'd be interested to hear it.


The what of what? This would make a nice tag if I already didn't have you farkied as "Breivik was right in his ideology"
 
2013-03-14 08:24:27 AM  

Fano: Surpheon: Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?

I thought Pinochet was Chile?

Apparently the story of Juan Peron and his obscure wife is a mystery tale worthy of Paul Harvey.


Pinouché.
 
2013-03-14 08:29:46 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


They have only themselves to blame
 
2013-03-14 08:31:41 AM  

qualtrough: Sorry if I hold popes to a higher standard than normal folk.


Oh, but for someone who doesn't know what ex cathedra means but then have the audacity to use it is a sentence or to say that the pope is God's representative on Earth, you surely have high standards.
 
2013-03-14 08:32:45 AM  

Crewmannumber6: They have only themselves to blame


what the f**** have I done, you intolerant bastard.
 
2013-03-14 08:40:17 AM  

The5thElement: GrogSmash: If this is all they can dig up on this guy, I'm actually encouraged.

From the sounds of the article, he merely kept his mouth shut to the ruling party about his 'subversive' activities, and when the two got grabbed, went out of his way to get them released.

^^^^This.

/atheist
//former catholic
///good on the church for selecting a latino pope
////slashies


Latino? He may be "from" Argentina but both of his parents are Italian immigrants.
 
2013-03-14 09:11:31 AM  

poorcku: Crewmannumber6: They have only themselves to blame

what the f**** have I done, you intolerant bastard.


Not you, the bureaucracy that governs you.

This is the one that hits closest to home for me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_asylum
 
2013-03-14 09:13:49 AM  

Cornelius Dribble: Huffington Post has updated their story. Depending on whom you talk to, Francis either conspired with the junta in the kidnapping of the two priests, or he intervened with the junta to save their lives.

On the basis that Francis was once a Jesuit, my guess is that he did both.


Francisco saved their lives, and we have always been at war with Eurasia.

The sheep must be kept docile.
 
2013-03-14 09:43:25 AM  

kiwimoogle84: It's always something.

/I am jack's complete lack of surprise


you either die a hero or live long long enough to see yourself become the villain.

/i am jack's colon
//i get cancer, i kill jack.
 
2013-03-14 09:44:43 AM  

Yaxe: TFA: Per the, "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery." Bergoglio discussed the incident with Sergio Rubin, his authorized biographer.

This is idiotic. First off, 'effectively handed them over' is not the same as sold them out. Simply because the Cardinal was smart enough to keep his mouth shut does not make him a villain in any regard (except for the James Bond-ish way). Secondly, the two priests didn't die. And thirdly, What was the Cardinal supposed to do? Actively work against the ruling military junta? This is stupid media bullshiat at its finest.


I stopped reading when I got to that part. I'll need something more substantial in order to properly hate the new pope.
 
2013-03-14 10:04:06 AM  

Mad_Radhu: splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.

Ratzinger was a disgrace in how he actively shielded pedophile priests before he was pope. Deep down in my gut, I know there was a scandal that caused him to step down, not health issues.

Pope Francis on the other hand, leaves me cautiously optimistic. I mostly like the cut of his gib, especially in regards to his concern for the sick and the poor. His stance on gays isn't something I agree with, but at the same time I'm not sure how you can be a Cardinal and not have to toe the party line from Rome to a certain extent, despite what you may personally believe. Maybe things will be a little different now that he has the infallibility.

I'm reserving judgement, but my first gut feeling is that Francis is genuinely a good human being, so he could be a real force for good, unlike Ratzinger who just screamed scumbag from day one.


Basically, this.

I'm willing to give the guy a chance. He's a Jesuit, so he's somewhat open to reason. I know that's not going to placate the Dawkinites of the world (nothing but the Vatican being burned to the ground would), but they're not interested in any improvement whatsoever anyways.
 
2013-03-14 10:39:02 AM  

Hallows_Eve: katerbug72: katerbug72: I think he looks like this Ed Wynn.
[www.latimes.com

Reminds me of Yogi Berra, actually. Even started out kinda sounding like him, in that "wherever I came from, here I am" way.

/New pope has only got one lung, pass it on
// Papa One Lung Frank
///POLF to his pals
//// Slashies


Wow, yep. Quite a resemblance there.
 
2013-03-14 10:53:07 AM  

splohn: Let the smearing continue.  Anti-Catholic bigotry is popular again I see.


Posting facts is bigotry?

You delicate flower.
 
2013-03-14 11:01:37 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: gadian: Weaver95: DECADES of kiddie rape

Centuries.

Proof? My understanding is that the kiddie- fiddler priest problem in the Catholic Church is mostly postwar and coincidental with the rise of homosexual influence within the seminaries and subsequently the priesthood (which is why almost none of the Church's sex scandals involve the abuse of young girls). Naturally, if you have any proof to the contrary I'd be interested to hear it.


Since 18% of the KNOWN child victims were female, your theory is at least 18% crap.
 
2013-03-14 11:03:23 AM  

Keshire: Yaxe: TFA: Per the, "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery." Bergoglio discussed the incident with Sergio Rubin, his authorized biographer.

This is idiotic. First off, 'effectively handed them over' is not the same as sold them out. Simply because the Cardinal was smart enough to keep his mouth shut does not make him a villain in any regard (except for the James Bond-ish way). Secondly, the two priests didn't die. And thirdly, What was the Cardinal supposed to do? Actively work against the ruling military junta? This is stupid media bullshiat at its finest.

I stopped reading when I got to that part. I'll need something more substantial in order to properly hate the new pope.


How about if he maintains diplomatic immunity for child molesters and their enablers?

Would that do it?
 
2013-03-14 11:34:12 AM  

Yaxe: And thirdly, What was the Cardinal supposed to do? Actively work against the ruling military junta? This is stupid media bullshiat at its finest.


I'm not sure I hold him much at fault for what happened, as telling them to quit putting themselves in danger or they'd be on their own is pretty much self sufficient for his involvement.  However, that being said, yes.  The general premise is yes, good people are obligated to resist and publicly denounce horrible things, regardless of the consequences to themselves.  Forgetting that is why so many people have problems with the catholic (small c/universal) church right now; we do a crap job of publicly denouncing evil our own does, let alone evil done by authorities that have power over us and the ability to punish us for our choices.
 
2013-03-14 11:36:42 AM  

Surpheon: Therion: Hey, Hitler youth to Pinochet stooge is making progress, right?

I thought Pinochet was Chile?


That was after he became a real boy and just put on a sweater
 
2013-03-14 11:40:18 AM  

poorcku: qualtrough: Sorry if I hold popes to a higher standard than normal folk.

Oh, but for someone who doesn't know what ex cathedra means but then have the audacity to use it is a sentence or to say that the pope is God's representative on Earth, you surely have high standards.


The issue of how I characterized his role in the Catholic Church and whether or not that is 100% with how the Church cares to describe it pales in comparison to the really important issue here, which is how can the church appoint someone to this position who remained silent at a time that called out for action (at best), and may even have been complicit in gross immorality (at worst)? You need to prepare yourself, because in the days and weeks to come more details are going to come out, such as the following:


In 1977, the De le Cuadra family, which lost five members, including a pregnant woman, to state security forces, appealed to the Jesuit leadership in Rome for desperately-needed protection. According to the Associated Press, the Jesuits in turn urged Bergoglio to help the family. Bergoglio assigned an underling to the case, who returned with a note from a colonel stating that the slain woman, who like many other 'Dirty War' victims was kept alive just long enough so that she could give birth, had her baby given to a family "too important" to remove it from. The colonel's letter is written proof that Bergoglio knew about the regime's practice of stealing babies from its victims, yet the archbishop testified in 2010 that he had no knowledge of stolen babies until after the military regime fell.


Source: http://morallowground.com/2013/03/13/the-sins-of-pope-francis-jorge-be rgoglios-shameful-role-in-argentinas-us-backed-dirty-war/
 
2013-03-14 11:43:15 AM  

poorcku: qualtrough: Sorry if I hold popes to a higher standard than normal folk.

Oh, but for someone who doesn't know what ex cathedra means but then have the audacity to use it is a sentence or to say that the pope is God's representative on Earth, you surely have high standards.


BTW, I didn't use 'ex cathedra' in a sentence.
 
2013-03-14 11:43:28 AM  

WaitWhatWhy: cloud_van_dame: First Jesuit pope ever. That probably won't garner much discussion.

That's the factoid I find most interesting. Why no Jesuits before? Why one now?

Well, they've only been around for about 550470 years, so that cuts them out of the running for 3/4 of the the time the Church has existed. The do have some strict conservative members, but most of them break pretty liberal (relatively speaking, at least). Also, they tend to be much more likely to openly question Church Dogma due to the fact that each and every one is highly educated. The order actually got suppressed for about ten years in the late 18th century.


FTFY
 
2013-03-14 11:44:28 AM  

Mr Guy: Yaxe: And thirdly, What was the Cardinal supposed to do? Actively work against the ruling military junta? This is stupid media bullshiat at its finest.

I'm not sure I hold him much at fault for what happened, as telling them to quit putting themselves in danger or they'd be on their own is pretty much self sufficient for his involvement.  However, that being said, yes.  The general premise is yes, good people are obligated to resist and publicly denounce horrible things, regardless of the consequences to themselves.  Forgetting that is why so many people have problems with the catholic (small c/universal) church right now; we do a crap job of publicly denouncing evil our own does, let alone evil done by authorities that have power over us and the ability to punish us for our choices.


If we look at both Jesus (Render unto Caesar what is Caesars) and St.Augustine (Christians must serve both the wicked and the good), the actual moral dictate of Christianity is "serve the government despite it's wickedness". Obviously  the best form of that government should be a king or tyrant (Aquinas), but ultimately, the Christian moral doctrine is aimed toward surviving, not dying like martyrs a la St. Paul. This is important, firstly because the new Pope actually appealed directly to the dictators to get those priests back alive, but secondly, this is also why we don't read about him as a beatified dead guy murdered when the military Junta took power in 1976 - it's (supposedly) part of Catholic dogma to avoid playing politics (obviously, loosely followed).

So, is the new Pope some evil guy who stood by and did nothing while his friends suffered? No.
 
2013-03-14 11:55:16 AM  
Who you gonna believe?
Government prosecutors? Or, the clergy?

/spins People's Cube
 
2013-03-14 12:22:13 PM  

Yaxe: If we look at both Jesus (Render unto Caesar what is Caesars) and St.Augustine (Christians must serve both the wicked and the good), the actual moral dictate of Christianity is "serve the government despite it's wickedness".

 Obviously  the best form of that government should be a king or tyrant (Aquinas), but ultimately, the Christian moral doctrine is aimed toward surviving, not dying like martyrs a la St. Paul.

The church is bound by what is right, not what is legal.  It is their obligation to work with anyone, in the bounds of any legal system, so long as it is right to do so.  There's no mandate for self preservation.  There is only one calling for the Christian, doing what is right in all circumstances.  Becoming pope is not necessarily an endorsement of his previous decisions.  Likewise, it is valid to discuss whether or not the church was obligated to act, and his rationale for not doing so.  It's still a dodge to say that one person was abandoned, but others were saved.  Sin is factual, not a judgment call. We, as humans in a linear time frame of reference bound by a deterministic universe are not always able to correctly determine what sin is. Fortunately, sin is forgiven, but lessons should still be learned from it.  It seems likely to me that he knew his endorsement wasn't worth anything, and so "protecting" them meant telling them to stop putting themselves at risk.  That's a valid viewpoint.  I understand how others feel that he chose self preservation over doing what's right, and think that if he had, and they had harmed him, it may have provoked changes sooner.
 
2013-03-14 01:27:29 PM  

qualtrough: The issue of how I characterized his role in the Catholic Church and whether or not that is 100% with how the Church cares to describe it pales in comparison to the really important issue here,


But it is the very point of the matter since it shows that whom we are dealing here with is not a person interested in having a normal, fact-based discussion. No, we are dealing with someone who either possesses superficial knowledge or worse, engages in a vitriolic attack based on some dubious anti-catholic sentiment. Thank you.
 
2013-03-14 03:04:28 PM  
Cool!! The Papacy has just moved from the 14th Century to the 15th!

MEH.

They should let Berlusconi choose the Pope.
 
2013-03-14 03:14:25 PM  

Gyrfalcon: GrogSmash: If this is all they can dig up on this guy, I'm actually encouraged.

From the sounds of the article, he merely kept his mouth shut to the ruling party about his 'subversive' activities, and when the two got grabbed, went out of his way to get them released.

Yes, clearly this:

Both men were freed after Bergoglio took extraordinary, behind-the-scenes action to save them - including persuading dictator Jorge Videla's family priest to call in sick so that he could say Mass in the junta leader's home, where he privately appealed for mercy. His intervention likely saved their lives, but Bergoglio never shared the details until Rubin interviewed him for the 2010 biography.

Is tantamount to kidnapping, raping, murdering and eating the victims all by himself. What a monster.


Let's see if I read that right. The source for his claim of this extraordinary story is his biographer's interview with him?

Oh yeah, that settles it. Incontrovertible fact, case closed.
 
2013-03-14 06:06:42 PM  

Flaming Yawn: Cool!! The Papacy has just moved from the 14th Century to the 15th!

MEH.

They should let Berlusconi choose be the Pope.

 
2013-03-14 09:40:55 PM  

Keshire: Yaxe: TFA: Per the, "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery." Bergoglio discussed the incident with Sergio Rubin, his authorized biographer.

This is idiotic. First off, 'effectively handed them over' is not the same as sold them out. Simply because the Cardinal was smart enough to keep his mouth shut does not make him a villain in any regard (except for the James Bond-ish way). Secondly, the two priests didn't die. And thirdly, What was the Cardinal supposed to do? Actively work against the ruling military junta? This is stupid media bullshiat at its finest.

I stopped reading when I got to that part. I'll need something more substantial in order to properly hate the new pope.


No response, eh?

I can see why...it's not really a defensible position, is it?

Personally, I give the new Pope a month to learn the ropes.
If he hasn't rescinded diplomatic immunity for child molestors by then, it's business as usual.
 
2013-03-15 09:24:19 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Orange pope is best pope?
 
2013-03-15 10:19:45 AM  
The only problem I see with him using Francis is that the only men I know in Houston who call themselves Francis, wear heels.
 
2013-03-15 04:16:28 PM  

Qaiwolf: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x267]

Orange pope is best pope?


They didn't explain it on the TV miniseries IIRC, but Jesuit missionaries in Japan decided to wear those awesome orange silk cassocks so they'd look as good or better than Buddhist priests, because Japanese didn't take Catholic missionaries seriously, especially when they dressed humbly in black.
 
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