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2013-03-14 12:20:31 PM  
Shadowknight:  Mount and Blade series.

Will check it out, thanks
 
2013-03-14 12:26:12 PM  

dragonchild: Eddie Ate Dynamite: What you just described still happens constantly, it's simply good placement of a stationary gun. Once you've found a good spot to put that stationary gun it will continue to be a good spot whenever that map comes up. So even the dumbest can stumble into winning tactics eventually, simply through trial and error, or monkey-see monkey-do.

Think that didn't happen?  Not only did others steal my roommate's ideas; on more than one occasion someone claimed to have invented it in his presence (even though the gun was positioned in the exact same spot, not even in the opposite corner or something).  Thing is, he was also always the first one to break down his own tactics.  A few days after he put a sentry gun in the water, he was taken out by. . . an underwater sentry gun.  After a few tries he'd found a way to defeat it, and over time several different ways, at which point the monkeys caught on and it became a non-viable tactic.  At that point he was already doing something else.  Again. . . he ate brats for lunch.

But whatever; I was curious about CoD because most complaints didn't seem to differentiate between gameplay and gamer.  Or at least, the shallowness of the game isn't immediately obvious from the complaints.  It's a non-issue for me because my game time is now so limited that any game with an extended learning curve is more unfeasible than anything.


How many times did you blow your friend?
 
2013-03-14 12:31:21 PM  

enforcerpsu: Wittenberg Dropout: I worked on Modern Warfare 1 and can honestly say that that was the best game ever with the best devs ever. Worked on several AAA titles later and they still don't matchup.

MW1 on the PC was a deep and interesting shooter. It wasn't as deep as some of the more traditional FPS games but it was definitely interesting.


Every single CoD since MW1 has been a Hollywood cash grab. They are terrible games and have created a sub culture of childish, whiney, mediocre players who wouldnt last 6 seconds in a game like natural selection or even counter strike.


Every time I see someone use the "MW" shorthand, I get excited it might be about MechWarrior rather than some crappy console shooter.
 
2013-03-14 12:34:10 PM  

Shadowknight: BurningMan03: That's what I was getting at.  Like I said, I've been a console guy my whole life, and Goldeneye was the first game that I can remember where my friends would have get-togethers just so we could all play the game.  It grew the genre in a way that Doom or Wolfenstein never could because of them being PC based.  If you go solely off of console FPS shooters, they haven't changed all that much.  I never played UT, Half-Life, or Counter-strike, although I had friends who were really, really good at CS.

With that being said, I'm glad to have you here to diagnose MY taste in video games.  I'll be sure to re-examine everything I've ever thought about the games I like.

You should.  Because you are missing out on a wealth of REALLY great games in favor of playing the blandest of games.


The fact that I don't play PC based FPS games has nothing to do with my dislike of the format.  Nor do I harbor any bias against PC games.  It's a monetary factor.  I don't have the money to build my own gaming PC or purchase an Alienware setup.  I have a MacBook Pro and a 6 year old desktop which can't be upgraded other than adding 2 GB of RAM.

I'm well aware of the fact that a lot of the console games don't hold a candle to the PC counterpart.  I just happen to prefer consoles because that's what I grew up playing.  I started out with the NES and have upgraded to the newer systems as they come out.  Having a new HD plasma TV certainly helps me want to keep it that way.
 
2013-03-14 12:36:01 PM  

BHShaman: Shadowknight:  Mount and Blade series.

Will check it out, thanks


Got Mount and Blade for like 6 bucks on a Steam sale about a year ago. Time played was about 200 hours. 200 glorious hours for $6.

If you like the idea of charging across a plain on a heavy courser and watching your lance drop into the chest of the opposing general, instantly removing him from the battle, while all the other soldiers clash around you, then it's a good purchase.

If you don't like that, you're obviously some kind of weirdo, but you could also play as an archer or heavy foot soldier or some other variant.
 
2013-03-14 12:38:29 PM  

kab: theurge14:
"I really suck at using console controllers but I won't admit it."

Translation:   I can't kill anyone without aim assist.


Wrong.  I do both.  A mouse and keyboard is not an iron sight on a gun.  Get over yourself.
 
2013-03-14 01:03:39 PM  
SuperChuck:
Every time I see someone use the "MW" shorthand, I get excited it might be about MechWarrior rather than some crappy console shooter.

GC Council and ADL Represent!!
 
2013-03-14 01:20:31 PM  

BHShaman: Shadowknight:  Mount and Blade series.

Will check it out, thanks


The Warband Expansion is totally worth it. With Fire & Sword, not so much. Firearms fundamentally change the gameplay and not really in a good way.

Although if you ever wanted to lead a charge of Polish Reiters or direct the fire of Swedish Arquebusiers, then you might want to give it a shot. Just letting you know it doesn't grab you in the same way Warband did.
 
2013-03-14 01:36:23 PM  

manimal2878: How many times did you blow your friend?


Once, but I needed a ride reaaallly bad.
 / homophobic idiot is idiot
 
2013-03-14 01:53:57 PM  

Katolu: doglover: There needs to be more medieval FPS stuff. Recreate the Fall of Rome or something like that. Crossbows and swords and slings and daggers....

Ahhhh, Heretic. I loved that game.


TF2 has some fun medieval maps.
 
2013-03-14 02:30:38 PM  

SuperChuck: enforcerpsu: Wittenberg Dropout: I worked on Modern Warfare 1 and can honestly say that that was the best game ever with the best devs ever. Worked on several AAA titles later and they still don't matchup.

MW1 on the PC was a deep and interesting shooter. It wasn't as deep as some of the more traditional FPS games but it was definitely interesting.


Every single CoD since MW1 has been a Hollywood cash grab. They are terrible games and have created a sub culture of childish, whiney, mediocre players who wouldnt last 6 seconds in a game like natural selection or even counter strike.

Every time I see someone use the "MW" shorthand, I get excited it might be about MechWarrior rather than some crappy console shooter.


Join MechWarrior Online, help take back the abbreviation for giant robot awesomeness.
 
2013-03-14 02:32:03 PM  
 
2013-03-14 02:42:58 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: SuperChuck: enforcerpsu: Wittenberg Dropout: I worked on Modern Warfare 1 and can honestly say that that was the best game ever with the best devs ever. Worked on several AAA titles later and they still don't matchup.

MW1 on the PC was a deep and interesting shooter. It wasn't as deep as some of the more traditional FPS games but it was definitely interesting.


Every single CoD since MW1 has been a Hollywood cash grab. They are terrible games and have created a sub culture of childish, whiney, mediocre players who wouldnt last 6 seconds in a game like natural selection or even counter strike.

Every time I see someone use the "MW" shorthand, I get excited it might be about MechWarrior rather than some crappy console shooter.

Join MechWarrior Online, help take back the abbreviation for giant robot awesomeness.


Lemme know when they're out of beta. Though what I really want is a good single player game, not a online pay to win monstrosity
 
2013-03-14 02:43:50 PM  
BraveNewCheneyWorld: Arma III laughs at call of duty
 
[media.pcgamer.com image 627x319]


   This!  Finally someone mentions the best online multiplayer in existence. That there, ladies and gents, is a screenshot of actual gameplay and it's just been released as an alpha.  Not really happy that devs now use us as free alpha/beta testers, but with a game as complicated and true to real life physics I know the feedback isn't going to ruin the game like "omg teh m-60 is too overpowered, nerf it!!!"
 
2013-03-14 02:45:56 PM  
Been playing online since the Doom days, and IMHO the experience peaked with Day of Defeat.  I did OK in CS, but I loved DoD.

Can't say there's really an online game now that I *have* to play.  Been doing Borderlands 2 and MW3 for a few months now, but in B2 it gets old comparing guns, and with MW3 lag is the critical criteria.
 
2013-03-14 03:03:13 PM  
Is this the thread where all the people with slow reaction times blame lag for the reason for their deaths and low K/D?
 
2013-03-14 03:06:46 PM  
Regenerating health has been the downfall of the FPS. THAT is what has eliminated any need for skill
 
2013-03-14 03:11:05 PM  

TNel: Is this the thread where all the people with slow reaction times blame lag for the reason for their deaths and low K/D?


Hi, Vonderhaar.  You are correct, despite mountains of evidence of killcams not showing the same thing as in-game action, it's all the complaining noobs fault for being noobs.
 
2013-03-14 03:13:31 PM  

The Incredible Sexual Egg: Regenerating health has been the downfall of the FPS. THAT is what has eliminated any need for skill


Play Hardcore mode then.  Black Ops 2 has it's faults and to me the big 3 are: Quick Scope, Shotguns, and knife;  If they fixed those 3 things then it would be a really good game.  I play BO2 a lot but those things burn my ass all the time, ok wait let's add in spawn points.  I can't tell you how many times I've loaded in and died immediately because I spawned right in front of an enemy.
 
2013-03-14 03:14:40 PM  

TNel: The Incredible Sexual Egg: Regenerating health has been the downfall of the FPS. THAT is what has eliminated any need for skill

Play Hardcore mode then.  Black Ops 2 has it's faults and to me the big 3 are: Quick Scope, Shotguns, and knife;  If they fixed those 3 things then it would be a really good game.  I play BO2 a lot but those things burn my ass all the time, ok wait let's add in spawn points.  I can't tell you how many times I've loaded in and died immediately because I spawned right in front of an enemy.


Small maps are a major problem. Gunfight in a broom closet.
 
2013-03-14 03:17:21 PM  

theurge14: TNel: Is this the thread where all the people with slow reaction times blame lag for the reason for their deaths and low K/D?

Hi, Vonderhaar.  You are correct, despite mountains of evidence of killcams not showing the same thing as in-game action, it's all the complaining noobs fault for being noobs.


Who is this Vonderhaar?  I've played for 10 days and some change according to my combat record and there has been very few killcams that I would say are different than in game.  Lag has a part in it but most of the time the game will host migrate to level off the field.  If you have a crap connection or a bunch of people are streaming when you are playing then that's not the games fault.
 
2013-03-14 03:17:49 PM  

TNel: I can't tell you how many times I've loaded in and died immediately because I spawned right in front of an enemy.


Yes, because when I think of "challenge" or "skill", I think of this:
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/167/085/avgn-starev il .gif
 
2013-03-14 03:18:45 PM  

Treygreen13: TNel: The Incredible Sexual Egg: Regenerating health has been the downfall of the FPS. THAT is what has eliminated any need for skill

Play Hardcore mode then.  Black Ops 2 has it's faults and to me the big 3 are: Quick Scope, Shotguns, and knife;  If they fixed those 3 things then it would be a really good game.  I play BO2 a lot but those things burn my ass all the time, ok wait let's add in spawn points.  I can't tell you how many times I've loaded in and died immediately because I spawned right in front of an enemy.

Small maps are a major problem. Gunfight in a broom closet.


Stop playing ground war then.  There are only a few maps that I would classify as too small, Nuketown (OMG I'm about to uninstall that map from my console) and Hijacked but other than that the rest are fine for 12 people or less.
 
2013-03-14 03:24:30 PM  

BurningMan03: Shadowknight: BurningMan03: That's what I was getting at.  Like I said, I've been a console guy my whole life, and Goldeneye was the first game that I can remember where my friends would have get-togethers just so we could all play the game.  It grew the genre in a way that Doom or Wolfenstein never could because of them being PC based.  If you go solely off of console FPS shooters, they haven't changed all that much.  I never played UT, Half-Life, or Counter-strike, although I had friends who were really, really good at CS.

With that being said, I'm glad to have you here to diagnose MY taste in video games.  I'll be sure to re-examine everything I've ever thought about the games I like.

You should.  Because you are missing out on a wealth of REALLY great games in favor of playing the blandest of games.

The fact that I don't play PC based FPS games has nothing to do with my dislike of the format.  Nor do I harbor any bias against PC games.  It's a monetary factor.  I don't have the money to build my own gaming PC or purchase an Alienware setup.  I have a MacBook Pro and a 6 year old desktop which can't be upgraded other than adding 2 GB of RAM.

I'm well aware of the fact that a lot of the console games don't hold a candle to the PC counterpart.  I just happen to prefer consoles because that's what I grew up playing.  I started out with the NES and have upgraded to the newer systems as they come out.  Having a new HD plasma TV certainly helps me want to keep it that way.


   You are aware all new gpu's have hdmi out jacks right?  Just spent $2000 to upgrade my 4yr old desktop and Arma lll looks damn sexy on my 42" lcd tv
 
2013-03-14 03:28:18 PM  

pyrotek85: It seems to be a complete reboot. From what I've read they've even removed the fantasy aspects too.


I'm actually fine with that, as long as it's respectfully done.
 
2013-03-14 03:28:19 PM  

TNel: Treygreen13: TNel: The Incredible Sexual Egg: Regenerating health has been the downfall of the FPS. THAT is what has eliminated any need for skill

Play Hardcore mode then.  Black Ops 2 has it's faults and to me the big 3 are: Quick Scope, Shotguns, and knife;  If they fixed those 3 things then it would be a really good game.  I play BO2 a lot but those things burn my ass all the time, ok wait let's add in spawn points.  I can't tell you how many times I've loaded in and died immediately because I spawned right in front of an enemy.

Small maps are a major problem. Gunfight in a broom closet.

Stop playing ground war then.  There are only a few maps that I would classify as too small, Nuketown (OMG I'm about to uninstall that map from my console) and Hijacked but other than that the rest are fine for 12 people or less.


I don't. I play Planetside 2 or Battlefield 3. Both of those have large maps. Large maps are good.
 
2013-03-14 03:29:41 PM  
I never got into "realistic" historic or modern shooters. I've played Day of Defeat and still play Counterstrike occasionally (that barely counts) but even back in the day BF1942 never grabbed me the way the unreal or half life series did. I used to be insanely good at UT, and even did CAL with CSS for a while, but nowadays most of my FPS time is spent playing TF2 (hatsssssss), and a few single player ones like Bioshock and hybrids like Borderlands, or mass effect. The only historical shooter I've played in recent memory is Dino D-day.

And even with TF2 I probably spend 10x as much time trading as I do playing, only game I've ever made money off of, I rarely buy games on steam anymore even, just trade for them through various tf2 item wheeling and dealing.

Think I might have to play some original UT when I get home, 20:1 nightmare mode bits @ 200% gamespeed and see if I've still got it.
 
2013-03-14 03:36:15 PM  

bifford: I think the first Operation Flashpoint game was the most gripping and emotionally moving games I've ever played.


Have you tried Spec ops: The Line? Absolutely amazing take on the "Heart of Darkness" tale. Be warned, there are some extremely visceral moments that will make anyone cringe.
 
2013-03-14 03:38:07 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: pyrotek85: It seems to be a complete reboot. From what I've read they've even removed the fantasy aspects too.

I'm actually fine with that, as long as it's respectfully done.


Yeah, I just fear it won't be. I feel like by removing the fantasy elements the Thief universe changes too much, and it might as well be a new franchise altogether IMO. It'll probably be a decent game on it's own, but like Deadly Shadows it'll likely pale in comparison to the originals.
 
2013-03-14 03:38:31 PM  

gaspode: How could we have guessed mike lowell would be a COD player, and on top of that one who is convinced being 'good' at that POS makes him a strategic genius?


How the hell did you come to that conclusion?  Did you even read anything I wrote?

Mike_LowELL: But the problem is, none of the games I listed are the class of anything. StarCraft II is an average RTS. Call of Duty (outside of some exceptions) is mostly putrid shiat.

 
2013-03-14 03:51:27 PM  

Shadowknight: some_beer_drinker: doglover: There needs to be more medieval FPS stuff. Recreate the Fall of Rome or something like that. Crossbows and swords and slings and daggers....

i like this idea. i would play that. awesome gore potential.

You guys should look up the Mount and Blade series.  It's not the prettiest thing in the world, but few things can match the exhilaration of plunking that guy just right through his face mask with a cross bow and dropping him off a horse.


Beat me to it.  Been playing that game on and off for years... 3rd person, but a fantastic game... charging through a line of infantry with a lance and heavy warhorse leading your cavalry is about as bad ass as I've ever felt in a video game.
 
2013-03-14 04:09:24 PM  
being a long time gamer i've seen a lot happen and i do know what he's talking about with the thing he calls "skill gap compression"

A great example is BF2 -BF3

2 was  slow paced, low kill count,  high intensity level game(every kill/death matters), and way harder to hit people.

3 is fast paced, but low intensity(you get killed/get a kill within a few seconds every time you spawn and you respawn in a matter of 5 seconds or less. If you did get killed it's not that big a deal whatever point you were guarding/capping can be reached by EVERYONE on the map in just a couple seconds, and you will be back there too in less than 10 seconds if you want to be. Seems like so much less is at stake that it could just be an arena map with no cap points to bother with.
High kill counts, but kills are easy to get just point in that direction and hold down M1. not only are there good odds that you can see and fire at someone no matter where you are within 1-2 seconds of spawning, but "aiming"  is practically done by the computer for me it seems(that was  head shot?).

i did play RO and RO2 a bit thought they came off just a little too hardcore in some ways.
I like that you need to deploy a machine gun to use it, but i don't like that you can absolutely not fire it at all until it's deployed.
Pretty sure if i rounded the trench corner and as faced with the choice of putting my arms out of socket for pulling the trigger or get killed for not, it's going to be an easy choice to make.


I still think BF2/2142 was the pinnacle  of multiplayer FPS games that has yet to be reached again.
 
2013-03-14 04:18:53 PM  

BurningMan03: That's what I was getting at.  Like I said, I've been a console guy my whole life, and Goldeneye was the first game that I can remember where my friends would have get-togethers just so we could all play the game.  It grew the genre in a way that Doom or Wolfenstein never could because of them being PC based.  If you go solely off of console FPS shooters, they haven't changed all that much.  I never played UT, Half-Life, or Counter-strike, although I had friends who were really, really good at CS.

With that being said, I'm glad to have you here to diagnose MY taste in video games.  I'll be sure to re-examine everything I've ever thought about the games I like.


Well, I can't blame you on that front.  Though I was a PC loyalist for years, the life of a family man has shrunk my budget as well as available play space to keep a large desktop system.  My computer room has been downgraded to a gaming laptop, and even my new laptop isn't what I'd call a gaming system.  It's more designed around photo editing (lots of memory and CPU, not so much in the GPU).  So most of my gaming, FPS included, is done on the PS3.  

I'm just saying that I can't get why just running around shooting at anything that moves being enjoyable.  I had to stop playing Rainbow 6 games (one of my favorite series out there) because what was suppose to be a tactical, cover based system turned into people just running around with a shotgun and blasting players and hostages alike.

As far as your "must reevaluate my preferences," get down off your cross.  It was a joke, so calm down.  Though you REALLY should expand your horizons.  A lot of the games the guy in the article worked on are still out there, and can be played on fairly inexpensive laptops.
 
2013-03-14 04:42:33 PM  

PvtStash: being a long time gamer i've seen a lot happen and i do know what he's talking about with the thing he calls "skill gap compression"

A great example is BF2 -BF3

2 was  slow paced, low kill count,  high intensity level game(every kill/death matters), and way harder to hit people.

3 is fast paced, but low intensity(you get killed/get a kill within a few seconds every time you spawn and you respawn in a matter of 5 seconds or less. If you did get killed it's not that big a deal whatever point you were guarding/capping can be reached by EVERYONE on the map in just a couple seconds, and you will be back there too in less than 10 seconds if you want to be. Seems like so much less is at stake that it could just be an arena map with no cap points to bother with.
High kill counts, but kills are easy to get just point in that direction and hold down M1. not only are there good odds that you can see and fire at someone no matter where you are within 1-2 seconds of spawning, but "aiming"  is practically done by the computer for me it seems(that was  head shot?).

i did play RO and RO2 a bit thought they came off just a little too hardcore in some ways.
I like that you need to deploy a machine gun to use it, but i don't like that you can absolutely not fire it at all until it's deployed.
Pretty sure if i rounded the trench corner and as faced with the choice of putting my arms out of socket for pulling the trigger or get killed for not, it's going to be an easy choice to make.


I still think BF2/2142 was the pinnacle  of multiplayer FPS games that has yet to be reached again.


  I disagree. It was Battlefield Vietnam.  Playing co-op and dropping napalm on 50 NVA regulars from a low level F-4 Phantom.... aaaaah, good times.
 
2013-03-14 04:42:40 PM  
Well this seems as good a place as any to ask, so forgive itf it ends up TL; and you DR.

I used to like FPSes, but quit them ages ago. Right when Quake came out. Partially at the time it was because they went full 3D keyboard and mouse instead of keyboard alone, which I found awkward but mainly because every shooter I saw was another dark, po-faced, increasingly realistic game. Over time it became worse, all I saw were games with real weapons, real locations, real soldiers.

Not for me at all. I like my shooters ridiculous and cartoonish and completely over the top with varied locations to explore, with bizarre and fantastic weapons and with colours as bright as a Sega arcade racer.

I like Duke Nukem 3D and Rise of the Triad and Shadow Warrior, games filled with absurdity and pop-culture references, ideally games with a sense of humour about them or at least a distorted, unreal atmosphere.

I thought that Postal 2 would work for me, as it had a lot of promise. I like the mundane missions, the odd weapons and the comical set pieces. I didn't even mind the loading times, but what killed it for me is that

A) the whole premise is that you play a maniacal killer who goes on a rampage while doing ordinary things, but the fact that you spend most of the game being attacked without provocation and thus defending yourself from killers instead of being the killer totally undermines that and

B) most of the time you can't even defend yourself without the polis creeping up on you and putting an immediate stop to the game by throwing you in jail.

It utterly ruined it for me to the point where even being able to pish on Gary Coleman until he vomits wasn't worth it.

So, Farkers, is there something out there that might work for me? I have a laptop that was a pretty good gaming machine seven years ago, a PS2, a PSP and a DS. Also an iphone but I'll be damned if I'm going to play an FPS without any hardware controls. I'd prefer to go with the PC as I think I'll more easily grow accustomed to keyboard and mouse than flailing around trying to aim with a wee thumbstick. But that's me.

In short, I want more of this:

www.duke4.net
 resolution-magazine.co.uk
media.giantbomb.com
YAY, FUN!


and less of this


i199.photobucket.com
pcmedia.ign.com
BOO, NOT FUN!
 
2013-03-14 04:46:19 PM  
Sear

Gordon Bennett: So, Farkers, is there something out there that might work for me?


Serious Sam 3 might work for you... bright colors, cartoony monsters...

A little darker but good one from a few years ago was Painkiller... sorta dark and gritty looking, but the weapons would fit right into Hexen....
 
2013-03-14 04:47:49 PM  
Though SS1 and SS2 were even brighter and more goofy...
 
2013-03-14 04:48:58 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Well this seems as good a place as any to ask, so forgive itf it ends up TL; and you DR.

I used to like FPSes, but quit them ages ago. Right when Quake came out. Partially at the time it was because they went full 3D keyboard and mouse instead of keyboard alone, which I found awkward but mainly because every shooter I saw was another dark, po-faced, increasingly realistic game. Over time it became worse, all I saw were games with real weapons, real locations, real soldiers.

Not for me at all. I like my shooters ridiculous and cartoonish and completely over the top with varied locations to explore, with bizarre and fantastic weapons and with colours as bright as a Sega arcade racer.

I like Duke Nukem 3D and Rise of the Triad and Shadow Warrior, games filled with absurdity and pop-culture references, ideally games with a sense of humour about them or at least a distorted, unreal atmosphere.

I thought that Postal 2 would work for me, as it had a lot of promise. I like the mundane missions, the odd weapons and the comical set pieces. I didn't even mind the loading times, but what killed it for me is that

A) the whole premise is that you play a maniacal killer who goes on a rampage while doing ordinary things, but the fact that you spend most of the game being attacked without provocation and thus defending yourself from killers instead of being the killer totally undermines that and

B) most of the time you can't even defend yourself without the polis creeping up on you and putting an immediate stop to the game by throwing you in jail.

It utterly ruined it for me to the point where even being able to pish on Gary Coleman until he vomits wasn't worth it.

So, Farkers, is there something out there that might work for me? I have a laptop that was a pretty good gaming machine seven years ago, a PS2, a PSP and a DS. Also an iphone but I'll be damned if I'm going to play an FPS without any hardware controls. I'd prefer to go with the PC as I think I'll more easily grow ...


Serious Sam maybe. Just be prepared to fight 300 of something at a time. It takes some getting used to. The new one is just meh. But it has the one-liners and madcap gameplay that you're describing.

On Console, Timesplitters had a lot of real fun stuff. You could maybe find an emulator or dust off an old console.
 
2013-03-14 04:50:44 PM  
Oh, also Team Fortress 2. Obviously it's multiplayer only but it's ridiculously madcap, gameplay is pretty easy to pick up, and oozes character.
 
2013-03-14 04:52:25 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Well this seems as good a place as any to ask, so forgive itf it ends up TL; and you DR.


Another +1 for Serious Sam, oh and maybe Borderlands since its definitely a self-aware game that throws humour and whacky encounters into the mix quite often.
 
2013-03-14 04:57:30 PM  

SuperChuck: , mediocre players who wouldnt last 6 seconds in a game like natural selection or even counter strike.

Every time I see someone use the "MW" shorthand, I get excited it might be about MechWarrior rather than some crappy console shooter.


Sadly I'm more proud of my .38 KDR in Mechwarrior Online than my average 1.2 KDR in Modern Warfare's and Black Ops'.
 
2013-03-14 04:58:23 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Gordon Bennett: Well this seems as good a place as any to ask, so forgive itf it ends up TL; and you DR.

Another +1 for Serious Sam, oh and maybe Borderlands since its definitely a self-aware game that throws humour and whacky encounters into the mix quite often.


Yes, I will definitely try out Serious Sam, that looks like what I'm looking for. I'll also take a look at the others recommended to see what I can run. Many thanks to all for the recommendations.
 
2013-03-14 05:28:44 PM  

PhDemented: Though SS1 and SS2 were even brighter and more goofy...


SS2 does NOT exist.

/I know, I know
//I had it, hated it
///SSFE and SSSE HD was more worth it.
 
2013-03-14 05:30:36 PM  

log_jammin: what eves console kiddie!!


I play AWSD on a laptop keyboard & mouse.
 
2013-03-14 05:39:46 PM  

RoLleRKoaSTeR: PhDemented: Though SS1 and SS2 were even brighter and more goofy...

SS2 does NOT exist.

/I know, I know
//I had it, hated it
///SSFE and SSSE HD was more worth it.


Been a while, can't remember which was which with all the different versions.  I remember playing one that was fun, but which one... <shrug>
 
2013-03-14 06:56:15 PM  
Somewhere upthread people mentioned momentum.  I just want to say that in Halo 4 it bugs the crap out of me.  You spawn, near and facing a teammate, start sprinting forward, he's sprinting toward you, you bump noggins, and you fly back 10 feet.  I should be better at avoiding them, but  they should be better at avoiding me!
 
2013-03-14 07:10:57 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Gordon Bennett: Well this seems as good a place as any to ask, so forgive itf it ends up TL; and you DR.

Another +1 for Serious Sam, oh and maybe Borderlands since its definitely a self-aware game that throws humour and whacky encounters into the mix quite often.


I'll throw in a suggestion for unreal tournament, the original or maybe 2004.  It's somewhat realistic(not cartoony), but you can play as aliens or robots and it has my favorite set of weapons in a FPS.
 
2013-03-14 07:39:53 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: God-is-a-Taco: At least we have Thief 4 to look forward to, right?

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/03/13/meet-the-n ew -garrett-from-thief.aspx

Haha just kidding.

I still believe!

Only major disappointment so far is that they didn't go with a female thief, as the ending to Deadly Shadows implied the torch had been passed to a young girl.


Never tried it, but someone made a very slick, huge mod for Thief II where you played as a female thief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZadVCb8Dpc
 
2013-03-14 07:56:25 PM  
Also, that pic of Thief 4's Garrett as a run-of-the-mill serious business tough guy ninja with eyeliner instead of a haggard, cynical, possibly alcoholic medieval cutpurse with a cybernetic eye does depress the fark out of me.

/never did explain why Garrett is always out of cash, must be a gambler or alchy.
 
2013-03-14 08:42:19 PM  

theurge14: Every day I keep telling myself this is the last day I play Black Ops 2.  The lag is terrible, half the time is spent "migrating hosts", the hitmarkers are awful, the guns are inconsistent, the quickscoping is ridiculous, nobody plays objectives they just camp and boost their KD, everytime I join a Ground War game it's already in progress and some goober on their team is 76-2 with every single scorestreak up at the same time.   And yet I still keep popping in the disc and playing it... I don't know why.

Oh, and the single player campaign reeks.  Boring old guy in wheelchair who cusses unnecessarily too much telling stories to retarded looking young guy who cusses unnecessarily too much.  Yawn.

As a diversion the last week and a half I played the new Tomb Raider and was floored at how great the game was.  The differences in quality of the game didn't fully reveal themselves until I beat Tomb Raider and popped Black Ops 2 back in... ugh, wow.   Treyarch you're terrible.


These.

PanicMan: Same here. It's because it's designed to take advantage of the non-thinking, primeval, pleasure parts of your brain. And after a long stressful day, I kind of need that.

I kind of want it, too. It lets me shut out all the other crap. I may only get a few minutes before I'm interruped with a real world obligation, so I can't play anything deep or complicated. It's a bad habit.


And this.

I have a co-dependent relationship with COD MW3 and any COD game made by Treyarch. But due to schedules and shiat, it's the fastest way to get some gaming jollies before I have to do other stuff. A friend of mine keeps trying to get me into BF3, but he's a griefer, and I'm really not into camping on a hill a 1/4-mile away from the objectives and just sniping people.

Of course, I play on a PS3, so my opinions are pretty much meaningless anyway.
 
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