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2013-03-14 02:10:41 AM  

Shadow Blasko: SpiderQueenDemon: There's a thing called a Dark n' Stormy, which is rum and ginger beer, that I've been coming back and ordering happily for weeks.

Strangely enough, I think Dark & Stormy's were mentioned on QC once...

And they are quite tasty!


One of my regular favorites, and the reason I make sure to keep some ginger beer on hand!
 
2013-03-14 02:10:56 AM  
I read the headline and thought "Wow, someone invented a bar where women can go in and get douches of different 'flavors,' so-to-speak, based on their personal preferences and physiological needs (but mostly trendiness and wacky names), and can hang out together and decompress and talk just like a real bar" and then I RTFA and say what it really was and oh my God I have to fill out patent and copyright applications RIGHT NOW AND I CALL DIBS AND AIIIIEEEEE
 
2013-03-14 02:11:02 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Highball glass
a couple ice cubes. Fill most of the glass with anejo rum
top it off by waving the coke gun in the general vicinity of the glass
drink
repeat until drunk


It depends on what my plans are that night..

Just socializing, Rum and Coke, Preferably diet coke, and Blackheart, but I'll happily take Sailor, or Captain.

Dancing... Double shot of captain, neat, water on the side.

Bad night? Just hand me the damned bottle of Kraken and gimme a coke on the side, and I'll bring back what I don't drink.
 
2013-03-14 02:11:08 AM  

Soupysales: OFFENDING DRINK: The Long Island iced tea is "pure gluttony," says Ward. Ordering one "is admitting that you want as much booze as possible, without a conception of what it is."

APPROVED DRINK: "If you want to get bombed right away, order a zombie," he says. "It's boozier than a Long Island iced tea and really delicious."

I don't get why one is acceptable and the other isn't. If this guy actually exists, I hope his urethra gets infested with spiders.


Or his head eaten by that Zombie he insists you order instead of the safe Long Island Ice Tea!
 
2013-03-14 02:11:33 AM  
If you order a vodka soda, you're too young to drink.
 
2013-03-14 02:13:33 AM  

GoSurfing: I will make it my life mission to travel to these establishments and request a Miller High Life, my favorite beverage. Come at me bro.

/Miller Low Life. Because I am one.


Mine as well.
 
2013-03-14 02:13:45 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: NY Post.  Yeah, not buying it.




Not buying what? Do u think they made up all those quotes?
 
2013-03-14 02:13:59 AM  

Soupysales: OFFENDING DRINK: The Long Island iced tea is "pure gluttony," says Ward. Ordering one "is admitting that you want as much booze as possible, without a conception of what it is."

APPROVED DRINK: "If you want to get bombed right away, order a zombie," he says. "It's boozier than a Long Island iced tea and really delicious."

I don't get why one is acceptable and the other isn't. If this guy actually exists, I hope his urethra gets infested with spiders.


Because the zombie actually balances out the flavors instead of dumping as many random types of booze together as you can?

You do not go to places like this to get hammered. You go there for the best goddamn tasting cocktail you've had in your life. Vodka anything is antithetical to that. It shouldn't surprise you that people who work balancing drinks to have absolute perfect balances of flavor (seriously, some of these places get out the eyedropper) are gonna be offended when you ignore all the drinks they've spent a lot of time and effort getting absolutely perfect and ask for something flavorless you get at a dive bar because it's impossible to screw up.
 
2013-03-14 02:14:27 AM  

doglover: If you order a vodka soda, you're too young to drink.


Or you want something different. I am 44 and still like some vodka and rc cola. I also like high end stuff . ymmv.
 
2013-03-14 02:17:30 AM  
www.nypost.com

Shea Berry says she got snubbed for ordering a vodka martini at Prime Meats.

There's so much wrong with this.... I can't be on her side.
 
2013-03-14 02:19:01 AM  

alienated: vodka and rc cola


But that's a highball. Soda has no flavor. Vodka has no flavor. A vodka soda would be flavorless fizz.
 
2013-03-14 02:21:54 AM  
Approves of this article
 
2013-03-14 02:22:45 AM  
Damn, image fail.  Nevermind.
 
2013-03-14 02:23:43 AM  

cptjeff: APPROVED DRINK: "If you want to get bombed right away, order a zombie," he says. "It's boozier than a Long Island iced tea and really delicious."

I don't get why one is acceptable and the other isn't. If this guy actually exists, I hope his urethra gets infested with spiders.

Because the zombie actually balances out the flavors instead of dumping as many random types of booze together as you can?

You do not go to places like this to get hammered. You go there for the best goddamn tasting cocktail you've had in your life. Vodka anything is antithetical to that. It shouldn't surprise you that people who work balancing drinks to have absolute perfect balances of flavor (seriously, some of these places get out the eyedropper) are gonna be offended when you ignore all the drinks they've spent a lot of time and effort getting absolutely perfect and ask for something flavorless you get at a dive bar because it's impossible to screw up.


Notice the "if you want to get bombed right away" part. But paying attention to that would be silly. However, I do apologize for wanting to drink the way I want to drink. You and all the PHD mixologists obviously know better than me what I should be imbibing to make myself a better person.
 
2013-03-14 02:26:56 AM  
The only time I was forced to drink something I didn't want at a bar was at Coyote Ugly's in Nashville. The bartender chick made me do a shot of Fireball. Mind you, I was already drunk from the many other bars we were in that night so I was probably easily swayed.
 
2013-03-14 02:27:11 AM  

doglover: alienated: vodka and rc cola

But that's a highball. Soda has no flavor. Vodka has no flavor. A vodka soda would be flavorless fizz.


Not all vodka lacks flavour. I brought a bottle from Poland to a fark party that has a single stalk of bison grass. It is... unique. Some folks like it, some did not.
And rc cola has a distinct taste . Im not from the south but I have always preferred it, aside from mexican coke, when I choose to drink a cola. Next you will be calling me a n00b for liking grey goose and Hawaiian Punch ...
 
2013-03-14 02:27:51 AM  

Soupysales: cptjeff: APPROVED DRINK: "If you want to get bombed right away, order a zombie," he says. "It's boozier than a Long Island iced tea and really delicious."

I don't get why one is acceptable and the other isn't. If this guy actually exists, I hope his urethra gets infested with spiders.

Because the zombie actually balances out the flavors instead of dumping as many random types of booze together as you can?

You do not go to places like this to get hammered. You go there for the best goddamn tasting cocktail you've had in your life. Vodka anything is antithetical to that. It shouldn't surprise you that people who work balancing drinks to have absolute perfect balances of flavor (seriously, some of these places get out the eyedropper) are gonna be offended when you ignore all the drinks they've spent a lot of time and effort getting absolutely perfect and ask for something flavorless you get at a dive bar because it's impossible to screw up.

Notice the "if you want to get bombed right away" part. But paying attention to that would be silly. However, I do apologize for wanting to drink the way I want to drink. You and all the PHD mixologists obviously know better than me what I should be imbibing to make myself a better person.


If you want to just get hammered, whatever. But the point is to either do it with some class or do it somewhere else. Fine dining and fast food are not the same thing. High end cocktail bars and dive bars are not the same thing either. Just like I do not go to a dive bar expecting a menu of fine scotches, I do not expect jello shots at a place that prides itself on high quality drinks, a refined atmosphere, and charges $15 a pop.
 
2013-03-14 02:28:02 AM  
Pretty sure the markets will decide if this is a trend or not.
 
2013-03-14 02:28:23 AM  
If a bar won't serve me my whisky on the rocks, I take my business elsewhere.

I doubt I'd last a minute in one of these hipster joints.
 
2013-03-14 02:28:39 AM  
Okay, so who's snubbing who here?
 
2013-03-14 02:29:26 AM  

Iczer: I'm kind of in the same vein as a few snobby TV food personalities are in this type of setup:

The chef/bartender has done their craft for "X" years and finally has control (normally) over the menu, they know what they chose and why in each and every item. If you want to order something from them and start going off like my sister and telling them to hold everything but the meat, they have a bit of a right to get irked with you. There's a reason Japan has so many great foods, it's ingrained into their culture that asking for subsitutions/whatnot is seen as a slap in the face to the chef.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omakase


As a chef, that would be terrific for me. As a paying customer, it's not so great. I really don't care if the chef likes the food better a different way. He's not the one paying for it and eating it. If you don't want to take my money and serve me what I'm asking for, why are you a professional chef? If you just want to cook what you like, how you like, and the consumer of that food be damned, cook for free.
 
2013-03-14 02:29:47 AM  

alienated: Next you will be calling me a n00b for liking grey goose and Hawaiian Punch ...


Protip: Costco vodka will save you a lot of money if you are trying to get highschool girls drunk like this.
 
2013-03-14 02:30:30 AM  

Strongbeerrules: Okay, so who's snubbing who here?


"who's snubbing whom here"
 
2013-03-14 02:30:55 AM  
"Years ago, when mixology was a cause, it was edgy. Now it's not," Meehan says.

No.  Just... no.  It was never a cause, it was never edgy, and being a douche about it was never appropriate.  And putting aside that having this as your thing is somehow even less cool than painting warhammer minis for a hobby, even, what the fark is wrong with you?

If you are the owner/manager and you don't like something, there's no problem with not stocking it, or instructing your tenders to up-sell to something with a higher markup.   But when you do so, the correct response when someone asks for it is "we don't sell that.  Anything else?", not "we don't sell that, you ignorant swine".  You see, with the first way, you convey the information and yet you still have a customer.  You can proceed to be a douche if they really want more clarification.

Trocadero: But vodka sodas are moron drinks...


As someone that can tell you what brand of gin is in a martini without mental effort (and usually the proportion of dry to sweet as well, depending how many I've had)... no, no they aren't.  Just because I mostly drink things that were 'traditional' before my grandfather was born doesn't mean you can't enjoy your bud lite or natty ice or whatever.

Additionally, anyone who can't make the connection between the popularity of energy drinks in the mid '00s and this, and work out the probable age of people drinking vodka/soda now does not really have a lot of room to talk about other people being morons (not directed at you, couple other people in this thread, though....).

//Thirdly, my ability to make fine distinctions between alcoholic drinks makes me an alcoholic, not a hip and cool dude or whatever.
 
2013-03-14 02:33:45 AM  

alienated: doglover: alienated: vodka and rc cola

But that's a highball. Soda has no flavor. Vodka has no flavor. A vodka soda would be flavorless fizz.

Not all vodka lacks flavour. I brought a bottle from Poland to a fark party that has a single stalk of bison grass. It is... unique. Some folks like it, some did not.


Zubrowka is the exception that proves the rule. It stands out from other high end vodkas because it's pretty much the only one that actually does have an interesting flavor. Here's a factoid that should be telling: The vast majority of "premium" vodka made in the US is distilled by two industrial manufacturers, shipped to the "distillery" where it's watered down to the desired strength and put in a fancy bottle. You're paying for the marketing.
 
2013-03-14 02:34:19 AM  

untaken_name: Iczer: I'm kind of in the same vein as a few snobby TV food personalities are in this type of setup:

The chef/bartender has done their craft for "X" years and finally has control (normally) over the menu, they know what they chose and why in each and every item. If you want to order something from them and start going off like my sister and telling them to hold everything but the meat, they have a bit of a right to get irked with you. There's a reason Japan has so many great foods, it's ingrained into their culture that asking for subsitutions/whatnot is seen as a slap in the face to the chef.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omakase

As a chef, that would be terrific for me. As a paying customer, it's not so great. I really don't care if the chef likes the food better a different way. He's not the one paying for it and eating it. If you don't want to take my money and serve me what I'm asking for, why are you a professional chef? If you just want to cook what you like, how you like, and the consumer of that food be damned, cook for free.


It's a different dining experience. It's not a sit down and order thing. It's a go and enjoy the specially prepared full course meal and restaurant ambience and immediate contact with the chef thing.

Not better, not worse. Just different. The food will usually be very good.
 
2013-03-14 02:34:30 AM  

cptjeff: If you want to just get hammered, whatever. But the point is to either do it with some class or do it somewhere else. Fine dining and fast food are not the same thing. High end cocktail bars and dive bars are not the same thing either. Just like I do not go to a dive bar expecting a menu of fine scotches, I do not expect jello shots at a place that prides itself on high quality drinks, a refined atmosphere, and charges $15 a pop.


Since when was getting hammered classy? Is the guy who does it on artisan gin really better than the guy who does it on Jack Daniels?

Here's the thing: Yes, some people just aren't sophisticated enough to know all the ins and outs of the new mixology movement, but do they really deserve to be mocked and denigrated by the bartender serving them?
 
2013-03-14 02:35:37 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If a bar won't serve me my whisky on the rocks, I take my business elsewhere.

I doubt I'd last a minute in one of these hipster joints.


These places absolutely would serve you whiskey on the rocks. Generally, they have a selection of very nice whiskeys.
 
2013-03-14 02:36:24 AM  
I love stories where every single person in the article deserves repeated punches to the groin:

* the "craft" proprietor taking pride in showing up his customers;
* the milquetoast customers afraid to return the insult;
* the hipsters supporting these places, because they're hipsters;
* and the dead father because he won't feel it.

Barkeep, a fresh round of cockpunches for the house, and two for yourself!
 
2013-03-14 02:37:00 AM  

giftedmadness: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: NY Post.  Yeah, not buying it.

Not buying what? Do u think they made up all those quotes?


Seriously?  A handful of quotes from some random friends makes some kind big cultural event?  C'mon, dude.
 
2013-03-14 02:37:12 AM  

Soupysales: cptjeff: If you want to just get hammered, whatever. But the point is to either do it with some class or do it somewhere else. Fine dining and fast food are not the same thing. High end cocktail bars and dive bars are not the same thing either. Just like I do not go to a dive bar expecting a menu of fine scotches, I do not expect jello shots at a place that prides itself on high quality drinks, a refined atmosphere, and charges $15 a pop.

Since when was getting hammered classy? Is the guy who does it on artisan gin really better than the guy who does it on Jack Daniels?

Here's the thing: Yes, some people just aren't sophisticated enough to know all the ins and outs of the new mixology movement, but do they really deserve to be mocked and denigrated by the bartender serving them?


If they're not interested in drinking a quality drink, they shouldn't be in that bar. Believe it or not, those places aren't hurting for business and don't need yours- they have enough customers who actually appreciate the product.
 
2013-03-14 02:37:43 AM  

cptjeff: factoryconnection: Knowing how I feel when people request really banal, played-out covers at gigs, I'd feel the same way these c*nty bartenders do. However, because I like keeping a party (and tips) going, I'll play their stupid request for "Blister in the Sun" with a smile and some joking around.

Would they sh*t on me for asking for bourbon with a twist of lemon? Probably but that is freaking good.

No, and they'd probably give you a pretty nice bourbon.

The disdain is for idiots who go into a craft cocktail bar and order something without taste. Your "premium" vodka is a marketing scam, not a quality drink. And they're not going to serve you a Bud Light.

The Snow Dog: When you work for tips, you'd be an idiot to try and make your customers feel abused. W

These guys are not working for tips in a dive bar. These guys are making $15 cocktails for a clientele that generally appreciates nuance in flavor and aren't ordering vodka tonics or light beer.

GuyCaballero: "vodka soda" is code for "get me drunk fast, here's my money." Every bartender knows it, loves making them because they're easy, and knows you'll be back soon.

While it's perfectly reasonable to hate the people they talk about in this article, they're a rare breed. Most barkeeps love a fast order and a good tip. Just keep it rolling and there's no problem.

These guys ain't even close to working in that kind of bar. I've been to the kind of bar these guys work at- you pay though the nose, and you order off the menu, or ask for a serious drink, not a vodka strawberry friz. And what you get is goddamn wonderful.

Gyrfalcon: "How to drive away your high-end clientele in only one night."

I mean, really. You might attract the hipster/preppy chic crowd, but you're going to lose all the lawyers and brokers and middle-management who just want their vodak and sodas and basic gin-and-tonics; and once your "artisanal gin" is no longer ironically trendy enough, the hipsters will find someplace else and the guys wi ...


So why would they only serve crappy well liquor as in some of the examples?

Also: 20% of an expensive cocktail is far better than 20% of a PBR at a dive bar.

Also: what kind of bar are these bartenders at that they have time to dick around coming to a consensus on what farking drink to make? If your bar is worth a flying fark you have people waiting. Are you bartending to make money or are you bartending to shed your amateur diva status go full on pro retar-diva?

You like abuse?
Your NSFW act's gone out of style!
Well kick yourself in the c*nt!
Also: It sounds like you dont understand what you read. You're just basically reiterating what Gyrfalcon said and saying he's wrong for making the same point. You're an idiot.
 
2013-03-14 02:38:02 AM  
: Here ya go, one champagne cocktail.
: Oh, thank you.
: I thought only hookers drank those things?
: Well, I know Mom sure likes 'em.
 
2013-03-14 02:38:06 AM  
I'm a bartender in Manhattan, so I'm getting a... newspaper so I can check out the classifieds.
 
2013-03-14 02:38:08 AM  

untaken_name: Iczer: I'm kind of in the same vein as a few snobby TV food personalities are in this type of setup:

The chef/bartender has done their craft for "X" years and finally has control (normally) over the menu, they know what they chose and why in each and every item. If you want to order something from them and start going off like my sister and telling them to hold everything but the meat, they have a bit of a right to get irked with you. There's a reason Japan has so many great foods, it's ingrained into their culture that asking for subsitutions/whatnot is seen as a slap in the face to the chef.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omakase

As a chef, that would be terrific for me. As a paying customer, it's not so great. I really don't care if the chef likes the food better a different way. He's not the one paying for it and eating it. If you don't want to take my money and serve me what I'm asking for, why are you a professional chef? If you just want to cook what you like, how you like, and the consumer of that food be damned, cook for free.


Jack agrees with you.

www.filmsquish.com

/so do I :)
 
2013-03-14 02:38:13 AM  

cptjeff: AverageAmericanGuy: If a bar won't serve me my whisky on the rocks, I take my business elsewhere.

I doubt I'd last a minute in one of these hipster joints.

These places absolutely would serve you whiskey on the rocks. Generally, they have a selection of very nice whiskeys.


Hmm. Sounds like my kind of place, then.

*strokes handlebar moustache*
 
2013-03-14 02:38:45 AM  

cptjeff: is like going into Chez Paul in Jorts and trying to order pop tarts. Don't.


Agreed. Why would you want to go to some crappy restaurant where they care what you're wearing as if that affects your ability to eat, and besides that, their "fancy chef" can't even make a simple pastry? Sounds horrible.
 
2013-03-14 02:39:40 AM  

alienated: doglover: alienated: vodka and rc cola

But that's a highball. Soda has no flavor. Vodka has no flavor. A vodka soda would be flavorless fizz.

Not all vodka lacks flavour. I brought a bottle from Poland to a fark party that has a single stalk of bison grass. It is... unique. Some folks like it, some did not.
And rc cola has a distinct taste . Im not from the south but I have always preferred it, aside from mexican coke, when I choose to drink a cola. Next you will be calling me a n00b for liking grey goose and Hawaiian Punch ...


Vodka is fine in Russia and you're gulping, just like straight white rum is fine if you're stuck on a ship.

If you want a cocktail, and you're willing to go to a bar with an actual bartender, order a drink that's got a reason to exist.

A martini, for example, is NOT a fishbowl full of cold vodak.
 
2013-03-14 02:40:07 AM  
3 fingers of Laphroaig Quarter-Cask, Neat.  Fark it up, and you'll get a penny in the water glass.
 
2013-03-14 02:44:10 AM  

cptjeff: If they're not interested in drinking a quality drink, they shouldn't be in that bar. Believe it or not, those places aren't hurting for business and don't need yours- they have enough customers who actually appreciate the product.


Ok, I'm fairly certain we will never have a meeting of the minds on this topic. I take solace in knowing that I will never run into you at a bar, as your classiness and refined tastes are far superior to mine, so I will just maintain my station at the fun bars where the bartenders and clientele aren't coonts.
 
2013-03-14 02:46:38 AM  

The Snow Dog: Also: what kind of bar are these bartenders at that they have time to dick around coming to a consensus on what farking drink to make? If your bar is worth a flying fark you have people waiting. Are you bartending to make money or are you bartending to shed your amateur diva status go full on pro retar-diva?


A very different type than you've ever been to, apparently.

Here's the thing: I've been to these places. I like them, because I like a well made drink. There are not 40 people piled up waiting for another shot of cheap whiskey as fast as you can get it to them- they're sitting at tables sipping a drink that will last at least half an hour and talking at a human volume with their friends. The music is just loud enough to keep other people's conversations mostly indistinct. When you need a new drink, a waiter comes by, and you wait for it. Bartenders actually do have time to spend with each customer. Drinks are expensive, and they're not relying on volume and lots of tips.

And low grade probably means Smirnoff or whatnot there. They're not talking Popov unless they just keep it around for cleaning. Or for giving to stupid people. Or the Post could be exaggerating. They do that.
 
2013-03-14 02:49:48 AM  
Ultimately the power is yours.  Walk out and spend your $ elsewhere, like in a dive bar w/ character(s).
 
2013-03-14 02:51:32 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: untaken_name: Iczer: I'm kind of in the same vein as a few snobby TV food personalities are in this type of setup:

The chef/bartender has done their craft for "X" years and finally has control (normally) over the menu, they know what they chose and why in each and every item. If you want to order something from them and start going off like my sister and telling them to hold everything but the meat, they have a bit of a right to get irked with you. There's a reason Japan has so many great foods, it's ingrained into their culture that asking for subsitutions/whatnot is seen as a slap in the face to the chef.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omakase

As a chef, that would be terrific for me. As a paying customer, it's not so great. I really don't care if the chef likes the food better a different way. He's not the one paying for it and eating it. If you don't want to take my money and serve me what I'm asking for, why are you a professional chef? If you just want to cook what you like, how you like, and the consumer of that food be damned, cook for free.

It's a different dining experience. It's not a sit down and order thing. It's a go and enjoy the specially prepared full course meal and restaurant ambience and immediate contact with the chef thing.

Not better, not worse. Just different. The food will usually be very good.


That's a very valid point. I really should have clarified that it was the "asking for substitutions is a slap in the face of the chef" line I was responding to. I have absolutely no problem with intentionally submitting yourself to the whims of the chef - even in a normal restaurant. My problem is with a regular restaurant where the chef refuses to accommodate reasonable requests. For example, cilantro is an extremely popular food where I live. I absolutely despise it. I don't care how good it tastes to the chef, I don't want to eat it, and if you bring me a plate with cilantro on it, especially after I've requested it be left off, I am leaving and not paying for that meal. I'll pay for whatever drinks I've consumed, and go eat somewhere else. And I will never go back to that restaurant. Hear that, Pho Cong Ly? (Yeah I know, they don't care)
 
2013-03-14 02:53:02 AM  

avratt: Ultimately the power is yours.  Walk out and spend your $ elsewhere, like in a dive bar w/ character(s).


That's another point. When you take the time to go out to faux secret bar in Chinatown, and they don't have exactly what you want but offer you a pricey alternative, WHAT THE HELL DID YOU EXPECT!?
 
2013-03-14 02:56:21 AM  

untaken_name: That's a very valid point. I really should have clarified that it was the "asking for substitutions is a slap in the face of the chef" line I was responding to. I have absolutely no problem with intentionally submitting yourself to the whims of the chef - even in a normal restaurant. My problem is with a regular restaurant where the chef refuses to accommodate reasonable requests. For example, cilantro is an extremely popular food where I live. I absolutely despise it. I don't care how good it tastes to the chef, I don't want to eat it, and if you bring me a plate with cilantro on it, especially after I've requested it be left off, I am leaving and not paying for that meal. I'll pay for whatever drinks I've consumed, and go eat somewhere else. And I will never go back to that restaurant. Hear that, Pho Cong Ly? (Yeah I know, they don't care)


I get that. Going overboard like Sally in When Harry Met Sally is one thing, but asking that a particular ingredient be left out or for a preparation to be done a special (common) way is something restaurants and chefs ought to be able to grin and bear.

I will make exceptions for someone ordering a steak well done at a high end restaurant, though. Those people need to be shown out the door and given directions to IHOP.
 
2013-03-14 02:56:57 AM  

doglover: avratt: Ultimately the power is yours.  Walk out and spend your $ elsewhere, like in a dive bar w/ character(s).

That's another point. When you take the time to go out to faux secret bar in Chinatown, and they don't have exactly what you want but offer you a pricey alternative, WHAT THE HELL DID YOU EXPECT!?


You can't claim ignorance when you find pee pee in your rum and Coke.
 
2013-03-14 02:57:07 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: cptjeff: AverageAmericanGuy: If a bar won't serve me my whisky on the rocks, I take my business elsewhere.

I doubt I'd last a minute in one of these hipster joints.

These places absolutely would serve you whiskey on the rocks. Generally, they have a selection of very nice whiskeys.

Hmm. Sounds like my kind of place, then.

*strokes handlebar moustache*


Boy do I have a place for you. If you're ever in DC...

Built around one guy's ridiculous collection of scotch- one of the largest selections in the world, apparently.

Soupysales: cptjeff: If they're not interested in drinking a quality drink, they shouldn't be in that bar. Believe it or not, those places aren't hurting for business and don't need yours- they have enough customers who actually appreciate the product.

Ok, I'm fairly certain we will never have a meeting of the minds on this topic. I take solace in knowing that I will never run into you at a bar, as your classiness and refined tastes are far superior to mine, so I will just maintain my station at the fun bars where the bartenders and clientele aren't coonts.


I have no problem with other types of bars. I often wind up in dive bars, irish pubs, whatever. I'm not above a good beer and a decent burger. But I don't go into a 4 star restaurant expecting it to be McDonalds. A high end steakhouse ain't gonna serve you chicken nuggets, you have to act appropriately for the setting.
 
2013-03-14 02:58:16 AM  
There are too many consumers out there who are willing to give up a little of the self-importaint "individuality" and "choice" of the have-it-your-way culture in order to experiance something expertly crafted and delicious for your pissy bullshiat to matter to anyone running these establishments.

If you want a bigmac, go to one of the thousands of McDonalds in NYC

If you want a Vodka-Soda, go to one of the thousands of run-of-the-mill bars all over NYC

If you want an well crafted, delicious Hamburger, go to Bonnie's in Brooklyn.

If you want a tasty, thoughtout cocktail, go to a real cocktail bar.

Not every business should have to cater to your every desire - there are enough of us out there who are interested and excited to learn about things beyond our knowledge to keep places like this going - those of us who respect expertise over our own predilections and taste.

 I don't see any use for being snooty for the sake of it, but if someone comes into your business and demands a product that you do not offer, I don't have a problem with you showing them the door...
 
2013-03-14 02:58:52 AM  
There is a very simple solution to this bad bartender problem; drink at another bar.  Life is too short to fark around with some jack-hole who won't serve you the drink you order. They're charging about 600% markup on the product so get it right or adios.
 
2013-03-14 03:00:11 AM  

cptjeff: Boy do I have a place for you. If you're ever in DC...

Built around one guy's ridiculous collection of scotch- one of the largest selections in the world, apparently.


Man, I miss DC.
 
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