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(Environmental Health News)   The world's largest DDT deposit has suddenly and mysteriously shrunk by 90%. That's good. Except it might be because of global warming. That's bad. Or it might have diffused into the Pacific. That's scary   (environmentalhealthnews.org) divider line 130
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2013-03-13 08:07:26 PM
isn't that what TERRENCE MCKENNA SMOKED?

mmmm guap seekie peepie!!

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2013-03-13 08:11:53 PM
The Pacific is also cursed.
 
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2013-03-13 08:13:25 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: isn't that what TERRENCE MCKENNA SMOKED?

mmmm guap seekie peepie!!

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I think the acronym you're looking for is DMT.
 
2013-03-13 08:25:37 PM
R.I.P. DDP

slam.canoe.ca
 
2013-03-13 08:27:23 PM
DDT is completely safe for human consumption and the banning of its use has indirectly resulted in 30,000,000 deaths due to the consequent mosquito population explosion.
 
2013-03-13 08:27:52 PM

kronicfeld: The Pacific is also cursed.


This is cursed; that's cursed. It's always about curses with you!
 
2013-03-13 08:27:53 PM
Dilution is good for poisons, not bad. Besides this from the people who gave birth to the people who brought you the giant floating Pacific and Atlantic trash patches.
 
2013-03-13 08:30:22 PM
Well, I did hear that Jake the Snake was making a comeback.  That could explain it.
 
2013-03-13 08:30:55 PM

Arthen: DDT is completely safe for human consumption and the banning of its use has indirectly resulted in 30,000,000 deaths due to the consequent mosquito population explosion.


Oh look this bullshiat again.
 
2013-03-13 08:31:36 PM
Some scientists have protested that the laboratory animal studies done in 1969 (and which led to the banning of DDT in much of the developed world) which showed that DDT caused an increase in liver cancer was inconsistent with observations in the wild, given that DDT had been used widely during the preceding three decades with no increase in liver cancer in any of the human populations among whom it had been sprayed.When the World Health Organization investigated the 1969 mouse study, they found that both experimental and control groups had developed a surprising number of tumors. Further investigation revealed that the food fed to both groups were moldy and contained aflatoxin, a carcinogen. When the tests were repeated using uncontaminated foods, neither group developed abnormal numbers of tumors.A DDT study of quail which produced thinner eggshells was flawed by an abnormally low amount of calcium in the diet.Thin eggshells can be caused by many factors, including calcium deficiencies and high temperatures. Investigation is complicated by the global cooling of 1945-1975 being during the same period, what is more relevant is the actual weather over habitat and migration areas. From  http://www.worldofmolecules.com/pesticides/ddt.htm
 
2013-03-13 08:31:53 PM
The toppings contain potassium benzoate....
 
2013-03-13 08:32:40 PM

encyclopediaplushuman: Dilution is good for poisons, not bad. Besides this from the people who gave birth to the people who brought you the giant floating Pacific and Atlantic trash patches.


Not if homeopathy is true - diluting DDT in the Pacific Ocean will make it so impossibly strong no one can possibly survive! Even one molecule of ocean water now could kill every mosquito on the planet - just think about what it would do to a person!
 
2013-03-13 08:32:42 PM
This is good news... for... Bunnicula.
 
2013-03-13 08:34:08 PM

GAT_00: Oh look this bullshiat again.


Refute my point with sources or GTFO
 
2013-03-13 08:35:02 PM
oi45.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-13 08:36:40 PM

Arthen: From http://www.worldofmolecules.com/pesticides/ddt.htm


Also from your page: Some or all of this text has been obtained from Wikipedia

Of course, the citations are all removed so you can't determine what is and what isn't.

The myth that DDT is harmless has been harped by the right for 40 years, simply because it was opposed by environmentalists.  There is no actual proof to the claims that DDT is completely harmless and had no environmental effects aside from the annihilation of mosquitoes.
 
2013-03-13 08:36:58 PM

HighZoolander: encyclopediaplushuman: Dilution is good for poisons, not bad. Besides this from the people who gave birth to the people who brought you the giant floating Pacific and Atlantic trash patches.

Not if homeopathy is true - diluting DDT in the Pacific Ocean will make it so impossibly strong no one can possibly survive! Even one molecule of ocean water now could kill every mosquito on the planet - just think about what it would do to a person!


If it's the truth, I'd take a dropper to the ocean in no time at all.
 
2013-03-13 08:37:20 PM

Arthen: GAT_00: Oh look this bullshiat again.

Refute my point with sources or GTFO


No, GAT's right, you're nuts.
 
2013-03-13 08:39:50 PM
One thing we can't argue about:  the bad rap that DDT got gave us a beautiful stanza in "Big Yellow Taxi."
 
2013-03-13 08:42:18 PM
No more shark week?
 
2013-03-13 08:42:22 PM

Arthen: Some scientists have protested that the laboratory animal studies done in 1969 (and which led to the banning of DDT in much of the developed world) which showed that DDT caused an increase in liver cancer was inconsistent with observations in the wild, given that DDT had been used widely during the preceding three decades with no increase in liver cancer in any of the human populations among whom it had been sprayed.When the World Health Organization investigated the 1969 mouse study, they found that both experimental and control groups had developed a surprising number of tumors. Further investigation revealed that the food fed to both groups were moldy and contained aflatoxin, a carcinogen. When the tests were repeated using uncontaminated foods, neither group developed abnormal numbers of tumors.A DDT study of quail which produced thinner eggshells was flawed by an abnormally low amount of calcium in the diet.Thin eggshells can be caused by many factors, including calcium deficiencies and high temperatures. Investigation is complicated by the global cooling of 1945-1975 being during the same period, what is more relevant is the actual weather over habitat and migration areas. From  http://www.worldofmolecules.com/pesticides/ddt.htm


This seems like a load of crap. But why do you care anyway?
Do you have some kind of personal stake in whether or not DDT is dangerous to humans?
 
2013-03-13 08:43:56 PM

Arthen: DDT is completely safe for human consumption and the banning of its use has indirectly resulted in 30,000,000 deaths due to the consequent mosquito population explosion.


Refreshing Mickey Slim
 
2013-03-13 08:47:50 PM

Via Infinito: Do you have some kind of personal stake in whether or not DDT is dangerous to humans?


Actually yes I do, as a nurse public health is very important to me and the banning of DDT was a stupid decision that should be re examined.
 
2013-03-13 08:48:22 PM
videogamecritic.com

What about the giant mushrooms?
 
2013-03-13 08:51:14 PM
Like they taught me in chemistry class: dilution is the solution to pollution.
 
2013-03-13 08:51:24 PM
Despite how ridiculously unethical it would be considered today the effect of DDT on humans via oral ingestion was actually tested on prisoners in 1956.  They ate it.  Like a LOT of it.  And were fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul6nVS0wZ8U
 
2013-03-13 08:52:58 PM
One theory is that it's a statistical fluke, that when researchers retrieved the new sediment samples from the ocean floor, they somehow missed all the hot spots of DDT.


Or how about this theory.  "The original estimate (since it cannot be directly measured) was set at a level to assure that somebody someplace would get a nice contract to cleanup the chemicals and have a nice bit leftover.  Cleaning up 15 tons as opposed to 110 tons doesn't make for much profit.

Oh, looky here...

DDT deposit in the ocean off Los Angeles County has rapidly shrunk, shocking experts and casting doubt on the need to mount a controversial $60-million Superfund cleanup, according to new data.

Looks like somebody forgot to give the memo to the people collecting the new samples on how much they were "supposed to find."
 
2013-03-13 08:54:40 PM

Arthen: Via Infinito: Do you have some kind of personal stake in whether or not DDT is dangerous to humans?

Actually yes I do, as a nurse public health is very important to me and the banning of DDT was a stupid decision that should be re examined.


Well, since Wikipedia was good enough source for you before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT#Effects_on_human_health
 
2013-03-13 08:54:43 PM

noitsnot: No, GAT's right, you're nuts.


Because I care that a useful pesticide can't be used because of the efforts of a few misguided environmental zealots?
 
2013-03-13 08:55:26 PM
i229.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-13 08:58:32 PM

Arthen: noitsnot: No, GAT's right, you're nuts.

Because I care that a useful pesticide can't be used because of the efforts of a few misguided environmental zealots?


Except it's not banned worldwide, and IS still allowed to be used in nations that have severe malaria problems. GUESS WHAT? Mosquitos can evolve resistance, too! WHO'D HAVE THOUGHT.
 
2013-03-13 08:59:06 PM

GAT_00: Arthen: Via Infinito: Do you have some kind of personal stake in whether or not DDT is dangerous to humans?

Actually yes I do, as a nurse public health is very important to me and the banning of DDT was a stupid decision that should be re examined.

Well, since Wikipedia was good enough source for you before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT#Effects_on_human_health


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2013-03-13 09:00:04 PM
What a shrunken DDT deposit looks like

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2013-03-13 09:00:06 PM
By the way, first result for 'DDT is safe myth' is Free Republic link about how utterly harmless DDT is.

Just in case you wonder who says things like that.
 
2013-03-13 09:01:13 PM

Arthen: noitsnot: No, GAT's right, you're nuts.

Because I care that a useful pesticide can't be used because of the efforts of a few misguided environmental zealots?


DDT was never banned worldwide. Mosquito resistance to DDT and the effectiveness of cheaper malaria prevention tactics has dropped the demand for DDT quite a bit over the years.
 
2013-03-13 09:01:30 PM
From the farking Stockholm Convention:

[Annex B] Part II
DDT (1,1,1-trichloro-2,2-bis(4-chlorophenyl)ethane)

1. The production and use of DDT shall be eliminated except for Parties that have notified the Secretariat of their intention to produce and/or use it. A DDT Register is hereby established and shall be available to the public. The Secretariat shall maintain the DDT Register.

2. Each Party that produces and/or uses DDT shall restrict such production and/or use for disease vector control in accordance with the World Health Organization recommendations and guidelines on the use of DDT and when locally safe, effective and affordable alternatives are not available to the Party in question.

3. In the event that a Party not listed in the DDT Register determines that it requires DDT for disease vector control, it shall notify the Secretariat as soon as possible in order to have its name added forthwith to the DDT Register. It shall at the same time notify the World Health Organization.

4. Every three years, each Party that uses DDT shall provide to the Secretariat and the World Health Organization information on the amount used, the conditions of such use and its relevance to that Party's disease management strategy, in a format to be decided by the Conference of the Parties in consultation with the World Health Organization.

5. With the goal of reducing and ultimately eliminating the use of DDT, the Conference of the Parties shall encourage:
(a) Each Party using DDT to develop and implement an action plan as part of the implementation plan specified in Article 7. That action plan shall include:
(i) Development of regulatory and other mechanisms to ensure that DDT use is restricted to disease vector control;
(ii) Implementation of suitable alternative products, methods and strategies, including resistance management strategies to ensure the continuing effectiveness of these alternatives;
(iii) Measures to strengthen health care and to reduce the incidence of the disease.
(b) The Parties, within their capabilities, to promote research and development of safe alternative chemical and non-chemical products, methods and strategies for Parties using DDT, relevant to the conditions of those countries and with the goal of decreasing the human and economic burden of disease. Factors to be promoted when considering alternatives or combinations of alternatives shall include the human health risks and environmental implications of such alternatives. Viable alternatives to DDT shall pose less risk to human health and the environment, be suitable for disease control based on conditions in the Parties in question and be supported with monitoring data.

6. Commencing at its first meeting, and at least every three years thereafter, the Conference of the Parties shall, in consultation with the World Health Organization, evaluate the continued need for DDT for disease vector control on the basis of available scientific, technical, environmental and economic information, including:
(a) The production and use of DDT and the conditions set out in paragraph 2;
(b) The availability, suitability and implementation of the alternatives to DDT; and
(c) Progress in strengthening the capacity of countries to transfer safely to reliance on such alternatives.

7. A Party may, at any time, withdraw its name from the DDT Registry upon written notification to the Secretariat. The withdrawal shall take effect on the date specified in the notification.
 
2013-03-13 09:02:43 PM
When I was a kid growing up in Long Beach, California, I remember going to the beach one summer and all the pelicans were gone. A couple years later, women on the block where my family lived, including my grandmother, developed breast cancer, way ahead of the national norm. Don't tell me that DDT wasn't the culprit.
 
2013-03-13 09:03:20 PM

Arthen: noitsnot: No, GAT's right, you're nuts.

Because I care that a useful pesticide can't be used because of the efforts of a few misguided environmental zealots?


DDT is moderately toxic, just like any PCB, and like any halogenated hydrocarbon you shouldn't ingest it if you value your liver.  You certainly can't say it's "completely safe for human consumption".  That's nuts.
 
2013-03-13 09:04:29 PM

GAT_00: Well, since Wikipedia was good enough source for you before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT#Effects_on_human_health


I'm guessing you didn't actually bother to read that or you wouldn't be quite so smug.

1) LD50 of 113 mg/kgisn't surprising as just about everything you can find on earth has a LD50, for instance table sugar has a LD50 of 29,700 mg/kg that doesn't mean we shouldn't spray it on stagnant pools to kill mosquitoes with it, that's how much you have to eat to have a 50% chance of death.

2)DDT and DDE have been linked to diabetes.  You know what else has a much stronger link to diabetes?  Table sugar.

3)  DDT and DDE, like other organochlorines, have been shown to have xenoestrogenic activity.  That's scary right?  Well that just means they MIGHT be similar enough to hormones to act like a hormone on the body.  The organic compounds that this is true for is vast and includes such horrors as chocolate.
 
2013-03-13 09:06:40 PM

noitsnot: DDT is moderately toxic, just like any PCB, and like any halogenated hydrocarbon you shouldn't ingest it if you value your liver.  You certainly can't say it's "completely safe for human consumption".  That's nuts.


It would be if they didn't literally feed it to people and determined it was safe within the accepted exposure levels.
 
2013-03-13 09:06:41 PM

Arthen: noitsnot: No, GAT's right, you're nuts.

Because I care that a useful pesticide can't be used because of the efforts of a few misguided environmental zealots?


Mosquitoes developed resistance to DDT because of continued agricultural use, where it otherwise would've been useful if specifically used for malaria.
 
2013-03-13 09:06:54 PM

Arthen: GAT_00: Well, since Wikipedia was good enough source for you before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT#Effects_on_human_health

I'm guessing you didn't actually bother to read that or you wouldn't be quite so smug.

1) LD50 of 113 mg/kgisn't surprising as just about everything you can find on earth has a LD50, for instance table sugar has a LD50 of 29,700 mg/kg that doesn't mean we shouldn't spray it on stagnant pools to kill mosquitoes with it, that's how much you have to eat to have a 50% chance of death.

2)DDT and DDE have been linked to diabetes.  You know what else has a much stronger link to diabetes?  Table sugar.

3)  DDT and DDE, like other organochlorines, have been shown to have xenoestrogenic activity.  That's scary right?  Well that just means they MIGHT be similar enough to hormones to act like a hormone on the body.  The organic compounds that this is true for is vast and includes such horrors as chocolate.


Not a single thing in that post proved that DDT is perfectly safe.
 
2013-03-13 09:09:04 PM
you down with ddt?

yeah, you know me

/got nothing
 
2013-03-13 09:09:43 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: From the farking Stockholm Convention:

[Annex B] Part II
DDT (1,1,1-trichloro-2,2-bis(4-chlorophenyl)ethane)


-ethane?
yikes it's not even in the PiHKAL family
 
2013-03-13 09:11:12 PM

GAT_00: By the way, first result for 'DDT is safe myth' is Free Republic link about how utterly harmless DDT is.

Just in case you wonder who says things like that.


You sir are truly contributing to the conversation.
 
2013-03-13 09:13:37 PM
Thank you Rachel Carson for the deaths of millions due to malaria and other insect borne diseases.
 
2013-03-13 09:13:40 PM

Arthen: GAT_00: By the way, first result for 'DDT is safe myth' is Free Republic link about how utterly harmless DDT is.

Just in case you wonder who says things like that.

You sir are truly contributing to the conversation.


And neither are you by spouting absolute lies and falsehoods like DDT is perfectly safe.
 
2013-03-13 09:16:00 PM

Arthen: noitsnot: DDT is moderately toxic, just like any PCB, and like any halogenated hydrocarbon you shouldn't ingest it if you value your liver.  You certainly can't say it's "completely safe for human consumption".  That's nuts.

It would be if they didn't literally feed it to people and determined it was safe within the accepted exposure levels.


Strange that there's no mention of that in the wiki article.  You should add it and see how that goes.  Be sure to specify whatever these "accepted exposure levels" are.
 
2013-03-13 09:17:16 PM
But does it come with a free frogurt?
 
2013-03-13 09:19:40 PM
rikkidoxx (farkied: DDT derptard): Thank you Rachel Carson for the deaths of millions due to malaria and other insect borne diseases.

Lookie here, another idiot sounding off on a book he hasn't read.
 
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