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2013-03-13 08:32:12 PM
9 votes:
It's not like the counter was set high anyway. 2 days isn't a long time.... Oh wait... you didn't realize that 11 were shot in inner-city and predominately black DC two days ago? Link

America doesn't have a gun problem. America has a problem with white folk getting shot.
2013-03-13 09:10:50 PM
8 votes:
Peki:

Yup. These are the lessons we get to learn from the "FU got mine" generation (for clarity, I'm referring to Boomers). Young adults, especially males, who are looking into their future and not very optimistic, tend to make the future not so optimistic for everyone else.


My wife, who is this soft-spoken, touchy-feely Japanese national, walked in the door a few weeks ago and said to me, "You know, I understand now why some people in America go crazy and start shooting everyone. There's no way to talk to anyone in power anymore. You can't argue with them. You can't explain your situation to them."

She had just gotten a parking ticket on a meter that had expired less than three minutes before she got back to the car. She got there as the officer was writing the ticket, and was pleading with her not to give her the ticket, but she said the woman just ignored her. She has this complaint about bus drivers who won't answer questions about the route. She has this complaint about government officials who make the process of renewing her visa a massive headache.

At first I was like, "Well, you should make sure to get back to your car with plenty of time before the meter expires." But then I thought about it for a bit.

She's mostly right. As Americans we have all this freedom, but the minute you try to talk to anyone who isn't employed in the private sector, you just get stonewalled, or worse. I've somehow internalized all of the frustration I've felt at the post office, DMV, traffic stops, public transportation, and any other run-ins with "officials" and those employed by public agencies.

My wife lived in Vietnam for a number of years while doing business there. You can basically talk to any official and explain the circumstances of your situation, and they will at least listen to you, more often taking your circumstances into account. I've seen the same in Laos and Cambodia. Ironically, these are "non-free" countries.

I think she has a point. There's a desperation in this country that comes from living in a democratic system, but one in which individual voices are squelched and ignored, and everyone's circumstances have to be pushed into a cookie cutter so that they can be processed as efficiently as possible.

Too much words. Sorry.
2013-03-13 08:29:45 PM
7 votes:
You mean all those draconian gun control laws didn't work?
2013-03-13 08:34:38 PM
3 votes:

lordargent: [ww4.hdnux.com image 628x407]

Haters gonna hate.


Wow. That cop is FABULOUS.

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


Four Dead. EMS1 is reporting 6 in critical condition, some others are wounded.

To avoid turning this into a debate, my thoughts go out to the family and people involved in this shooting. And to the Responders, Trauma team, and people caring for these victims.
2013-03-13 08:29:16 PM
3 votes:
Well it had been literal HOURS since the last gun thread so it was bound to happen.
2013-03-13 10:00:53 PM
2 votes:

Ned Stark: Caffandtranqs: the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it

Agreed.

So why is a bunch of derp about guns all that ever comes up when we talk about violence in this country?


Because we are a violent people.  We have been starting fights with people all over the world that has not wanted to give up their lunch money.  We are mean to each other.  We kill each other.  Our behavior speaks of our culture.  Entertainment in all forms is merely a mirror of this.  Just stating what I think.
2013-03-13 09:47:26 PM
2 votes:
This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.
2013-03-13 09:25:52 PM
2 votes:

Cup_O_Jo: I think we need to discuss the word "mass" when it comes to shooting. I mean technically it was in  a public area and there were lots of bullets BUT--------Only 2 people were killed. So really is that mass? In my opinion it is not.


The opinion of someone who lives on socialized medicine but hates socialized medicine is probably not an opinion most people would take seriously.
2013-03-13 09:11:11 PM
2 votes:
I really hope this well trained SWAT officer does not enocoonter the suspect and a gunfight ensues....his EOTech is mounted backwards.

You are not able to see the reticle looking through the EOTech from that direction...there is a 100% chance he has nver fired that rifle while looking through the scope....and if he hasn't fired that rifle with that scope on it it would not be zeroed and he has as much a chance as shooting some citizen crossing the street a half mile away as he does the suspect.


Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.
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2013-03-13 08:57:48 PM
2 votes:
Look on the bright side. Obama might have some more dead kids to exploit and use as props in the next state of the union, being the classy guy that he is, right democrats? This tragedy would just be another great win for you, you scumbag pieces of sh*t.
2013-03-13 08:57:14 PM
2 votes:
I call BS. New York State has the strictest gun laws in the state.

Maybe they need to reduce the magazine size limit even further.
2013-03-13 08:35:20 PM
2 votes:
I'm just glad to see the cop running with the shotgun didn't have his finger on the trigger.
2013-03-13 08:34:48 PM
2 votes:
The fact that this is basically considered "background noise" in the USA is telling, isn't it?
2013-03-13 08:32:26 PM
2 votes:
so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?
2013-03-13 08:32:16 PM
2 votes:
Did the gunman use a Glock AK-15 assault missle with high capacity clip?
2013-03-13 08:25:58 PM
2 votes:
My buddy was a witness to this shooting. He's pretty shaken up about it.
2013-03-14 12:43:53 AM
1 votes:

Pete_T_Mann: A lot of stuff about whether guns are or aren't losing popularity.


Peter - I'm sorry - I don't agree, but either way, it is a trivial issue to me, and I am only responding to you out of courtesy - believe what you wish to believe. In the greater scheme of things, it doesn't matter. If guns were our biggest problem, and our only concerns regarding freedom is that some guy from the government might try to take it away from us, we'd be a society (and a species) in far, far better shape. Put bluntly - we got 99 problems, and guns ain't one.
2013-03-14 12:24:54 AM
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: I'm pretty sure that if and when we all line up to cheer the Antichrist, or Big Brother, or Paris Hilton that the heavily armed will be right there cheering along with the rest of us.

Well, no. I won't, for one; and I doubt that I'm unique in being repelled by much of our contemporary culture and political life.

I know it is not enough for you that I don't want to take your guns away - I know that you insist that I share your fantasies about their non-existent power. I apologize - I can't. But hey - keep 'em. In the end , they won't make any difference

Just out of curiosity, jso2897, how do you think the future is going to unfold in the US over the next fifty years or so? The comments you've made on this thread seem to suggest that you don't share in the limitless optimism of those Farkers who believe that everything will be fine so long as the Democrats remain in power.


It doesn't have much to do with politics. The current popularity of the Democrats (which I think will increase, for a while) is more of a reaction to the recent excesses of the Neoconservatives than any particular measure of their merits. I don't see politics as the main thing that is changing our lives right now - I am more concerned about technology. And I think that the changes technology is bringing are going to make politics pale to insignificance in the future we are looking at right now. We are a species about a million years old , more or less - and in the last hundred years, the way we live has turned into something that doesn't bear much relationship to what we have evolved in - and I really wonder if we can adapt and r5etain the parts of our humanity that we value.
We have created a world in which more and more material wealth is created by fewer and fewer people, and more and more of us simply have nothing to do with ourselves beyond what amuses us - society needs fewer and fewer of us to function. I don't know if that's a good thing, or a bad thing, or whether we can adapt to that at all. We've created a world where a person can eschew any and all actual interaction with other humans - and yet have the entire world at his fingertips. Again - maybe good, maybe bad - who knows? But I'm seeing some cracks in the structure. Without he necessity of the ape-pack to define us, and ensure our survival, what will define us? When existence ceases to be a struggle, what outlet will our innate need to struggle against the universe take? I'm not ready to panic, but I'm not confident of a good outcome, either. It's easy to laugh at the crap one sees on 4chan, or the worst of what we see here - but there are a lot of people these days that seem to be simply seething with existential terror and rage - despite the fact that we are safer, more entertained, and fed than we have ever been - and maybe it's not all that funny.
It's early in the game. What will we be like after a century of this, or two? We have been given much that generations and generations of humans have desired, and never had - and assuming that we will be happier because we get what we desired is a rash assumption, at best - humans often are not at all happy when we get what we desire.
The gun debate often turns to the subject of freedom - and freedom is a good thing. But all the guns in the world (or for that matter, any illusory "safety" that might result from the lack of them) will be of little use to us
if we become creatures who don't value freedom or even know what it is, or what it's for. It won't matter whether the government, or any political faction, abuse or defend our freedom if we cease to value it, or live lives in whose context it even matters.
It might be more appropriate for us to fear Ryan Seacrest far more than we do Barack Obama or Mitt Romney, or whoever their counterparts in the future may be. There's a reason they didn't bother to make President Camacho a Democrat or a Republican - in the context of Idiocracy, it didn't matter.
2013-03-14 12:19:03 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: I know, things would be so much better if the Republicans were back in charge right?


Ah no, I never said that. I only suggested that things weren't automatically going to be fine just because the Democrats were in charge. You need to review your basic logic, pal. As it happens, the only difference between the Republicans and Democrats is that the Republicans would take a couple of extra years to destroy the US economy.

I don't think the next 50 years are going to be as dramatic as people try to make it sound myself.

Good for you. I've no doubt you also believe that the government can continue to expand indefinitely in scope without at some point becoming tyrannical; that it can indefinitely print money without that radically devaluing the value of the dollar and its purchasing power for the average consumer; and that the vast demographic shifts within your country -- with a population increasingly fractured along ethnic lines and an ever- burgeoning elderly population living off an ever- shrinking younger one -- can sustain your present standard of living. I wish you all the joy of your optimism; God knows it's better than confronting your future honestly.
2013-03-14 12:11:50 AM
1 votes:

boxster: GUTSU: Dead kids only count if someone intentionally killed them. Kids killed in a hit and run? fark them. Juat admit you hate guns, come on, I'll understand.

A hit and run is intentional, dumbass.  Here's a clue:  "run".

You're not helping your cause.


So every hit and run is intentional? Hit and run, just means someone fled the scene not that they planned it. Of course this is just you deflecting. Come on, all that you have to do is tell the truth, just say it. "I hate guns" just do it, we all know you're thinking it.
2013-03-14 12:04:14 AM
1 votes:

boxster: Benjamin Orr: First one I found on google....

So we are back to it being ok as long as the deaths from drunk driving are spread out over more events?

Nope, we're still at asking for data showing that cars are used as weapons as much or more than guns are, all other things being equal.

While you're busy changing the subject, cars are one of the most regulated and restricted products sold in the United States, and drivers are required to register, provide proof of insurance, follow traffic laws, etc.  Move to a new state, and the new agency usually checks your prior record before issuing you a license.

So, you're OK with guns and gun owners facing the same levels of regulation?  Nope, 'cause cars ain't in the Constitution!


Dead kids only count if someone intentionally killed them. Kids killed in a hit and run? fark them. Juat admit you hate guns, come on, I'll understand.
2013-03-13 11:59:26 PM
1 votes:

jso2897: Not important. If you want to think that guns are growing in popularity among Americans, think it. It doesn't matter. Society is getting safer anyway, statistically, and I think that safety is about the least of our worries - at least, the immediate, personal sort of safety. What worries me - and I'll say it again, one last time - is a populace who only believe that they can lose their freedom to be human by having it taken from them.
Guns are fine - have all you want. Just don't think they'll make you safe, or free, or.....anything, really.
I'm pretty sure that if and when we all line up to cheer the Antichrist, or Big Brother, or Paris Hilton that the heavily armed will be right there cheering along with the rest of us.
I know it is not enough for you that I don't want to take your guns away - I know that you insist that I share your fantasies about their non-existent power. I apologize - I can't. But hey - keep 'em. In the end , they won't make any difference.


No, he's right. You're citing bad statics, assuming that you're going off the GSS survey. The director is a gun control advocate. Here's a link to a more reputable gallop poll from 2011

 http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/Self-Reported-Gun-Ownership-Highe st- 1993.aspx


And these estimates are low. There have been other polls that included questions like " would you tell a stranger that you owned a gun?" with 50% responding "no", and they fit the demographic to own a gun. Gun owners arent much into admitting it now to anonymous people, I wouldn't. Well, at least not on the phone.  Gun grabbers like to promote the diminishing amount of owners buying more guns idea. It makes them feel that they have the support of more of the population, and it fits in with the gun nut hoarding stereotype.

Also, there is pretty strong anecdotal evidence. I know about 4 people who have just gotten their first guns, and I'm pretty hard pressed to think of any guys I know well that don't own any. That coupled with the fact that the internet is sold out of guns and even farking 90$ Nagant revolvers have sold out is pretty compelling that gun ownership just took a steep rise.

As to your freedom point, sure. Both sides are basically a bunch of jackasses that want to force you to live how they think you should and are happy to burden people with more laws and take away choices, no matter their rhetoric. I've said quite few times that I with people were as vocal about their rights in general as gun owners are about gun rights.
2013-03-13 11:51:50 PM
1 votes:
jso2897: I'm pretty sure that if and when we all line up to cheer the Antichrist, or Big Brother, or Paris Hilton that the heavily armed will be right there cheering along with the rest of us.

Well, no. I won't, for one; and I doubt that I'm unique in being repelled by much of our contemporary culture and political life.

I know it is not enough for you that I don't want to take your guns away - I know that you insist that I share your fantasies about their non-existent power. I apologize - I can't. But hey - keep 'em. In the end , they won't make any difference

Just out of curiosity, jso2897, how do you think the future is going to unfold in the US over the next fifty years or so? The comments you've made on this thread seem to suggest that you don't share in the limitless optimism of those Farkers who believe that everything will be fine so long as the Democrats remain in power.
2013-03-13 11:26:17 PM
1 votes:

Benjamin Orr: So.... Since he was an old man with a shotgun.... Should we expect this to quietly fade away from view or be the incident used to pass SAFE2 NY gun control bugaloo part 2?


Following the Port Arthur massacre in Australia back in the 90s the government of that country outlawed all semi- automatic rifles, semi- automatic and pump- action shotguns... but rates of violent crime in that country have continued to rise, and now the usual suspects down there are saying that the remaining legal kinds of firearms (mostly single- shot and bolt- action types) should be outlawed.

Make no mistake: so-called "gun control" (or the even more Orwellian- termed "gun safety") is an incremental process on the way towards the complete abolition of civilian firearms ownership. Once they take your 30-round magazine, they will take your 10- round magazine next (which is already happening in New York State); and once the magazine- capacity restrictions inevitably fail to prevent the next mass shooting, eventually even the 5- round magazine will be too much for the authorities to tolerate, so that the single- shot will be your only choice... until that, in turn, is abolished. You have to resist these people at every step, and never let them gain even an inch.
2013-03-13 11:10:53 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The AR-15 is simply one weapon that has been stigmatized by emotional incontinents due to the fact that it looks scary, even though it is very far from being the most powerful legal firearm available.

Imagine what they would say if they knew most deer rifles can penetrate armor.


Holy crap you guys have armored deer there?
2013-03-13 10:58:20 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The AR-15 is simply one weapon that has been stigmatized by emotional incontinents due to the fact that it looks scary, even though it is very far from being the most powerful legal firearm available.

Imagine what they would say if they knew most deer rifles can penetrate armor.


Yeah. There are plenty of videos on youtube showing .308 or .30-06 rifles blowing apart concrete blocks from 100 yards away.

.223 pretty much bounces off at that range.

But AR-15 scary and bad.
2013-03-13 10:57:33 PM
1 votes:

GUTSU: boxster: GUTSU: So you don't care about all the children killed in car accidents? Or do you just ignore them because you can't use their dead bodies as a platform against gun ownership?

How many were killed intentionally?  I'm sure you have stats since you think the comparison is apt.

What's the percentage of gun owners that are also mass murders?


Nope, wrong again.  The relevant question would be what percentage of gun owners use their guns to intentionally kill other people.

The related relevant question is what percentage of car owners - or drivers, for that matter - use their cars to intentionally kill other people.

"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.
2013-03-13 10:34:24 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Has anyone responded to the point that NYC has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, yet they failed to prevent this incident nonetheless?


Because it didn't happen in NYC?
2013-03-13 10:21:22 PM
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it,


YES IT WOULD.

Your "doing something" wouldn't stop the violence. You're focusing on the effects, not the cause. Come back with something that targets the source of the problem and is based on facts not emotions and smart people will agree with you.
2013-03-13 10:11:05 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: I have a question, Giltric:do you support universal background checks? Are you a member of the NRA? If so, why?


"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the NRA?"
2013-03-13 10:05:57 PM
1 votes:

atomicmask: Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed,


Going against a gay person's nature to act straight? That would surely cause depression.

Depression because being gay is against nature? (when there are over 14,000 species that have documented occurrences of homosexual encounters, and only one that practices homophobia?) Nope.

I'm bi. The only time I have ever been "depressed" was a) when I couldn't figure wtf I was because the only words batted around at the time were gay and straight, and I knew I wasn't either, and b) whenever I've had discrimination because of who I am (not just because I'm bi, but because of other things about me too).

If you're straight, try practicing a homosexual lifestyle. You'll find out just how much against our nature it is for us to "just act straight." Now, go sit in the corner until you can learn to behave like a decent human being.
2013-03-13 10:04:48 PM
1 votes:

dmax: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Shame on you, even by trolling, by trying to minimize the wrongness of this. I get that it's Fark, and that it's the internets.
But shame on you anyway.

Somewhere I know there's someone who's lost a friend or family member because of this "freedom" paranoia. Their kid or dad or sister is dead because folks want to impede action by arguing about nomenclature or legalese or obscure historical points.

All that stuff falls away when you remember that there are not-quite-sane people out there who can't parse subtleties and can easily access high-powered deadly weapons. And kill someone that doesn't deserve it. (So that Farkers can post our own version of gallows humor)


True - but if you look at the statistics, you can see that America's love affair with the gun is waning. The percentage of Americans who own guns and households that have them is dwindling year by year.
Statistically, it's safer to live in this country than it has ever been. And I am not really that worried about people having guns, or even thinking that guns can protect their freedoms.
What worries me is that a lot of people assume that guns (which may confer some ability to resist physical force) CAN protect our freedoms in today's worlds. It makes the assumption that when and if our freedoms are taken, it will be by physical force.
I have a mental image of a person, and I have no doubt that he exists. He sits in his house, secure with his closet full of guns. His television is tuned to American Idol. He sits there, soaking up whatever the people with real power want to feed him, while blunting his mind with Bud Light and prescription drugs. Tomorrow, he will rise and go to the soul-killing job he hates, while the AM radio shock jock bludgeons his mind with yet more nonsense. He grinds his way through his empty day, killing his own soul while he enriches his masters.
And then, he goes home and repeats the cycle. Day after day, month after month, year after year. Every so often, he goes to the polls and elects some empty suit that the same TV that rots his mind daily tells him to.
And someday, inevitably, without anyone ever forcibly "taking" it - all his freedom, manhood, and reason for living is gone - and his guns still sit moldering in the closet, unused, because there was never anybody to use them on.
Smart crooks don't do violent crime - they become con artists. Why would anybody use force to take from his victim what that victim can be tricked into relinquishing without a fight? And tyrants are just another type of criminal - the smart ones don't use force, and no gun will ever stop them.
So - keep your guns. They, and you, are no threat to me. But as for your freedoms - you'd better guard them closely, and don't assume that when they are taken that it will be by some guy in jackboots kicking in your front door. As Yeats so depressingly pointed out, not all worlds end with bangs - sometimes, they end in whimpers.
2013-03-13 09:59:30 PM
1 votes:

Giltric: Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.


Can anyone translate this into English for me?
2013-03-13 09:54:25 PM
1 votes:
If the average American slips on some ice or dumps their coffee in their lap, they're suing someone, but they expect to be given the responsibility of owning a firearm without question.
2013-03-13 09:51:41 PM
1 votes:

Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.


Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.
2013-03-13 09:45:24 PM
1 votes:

Marcintosh: If my source is correct, between now and December 14th 2012 we've killed more people than all the real "Gun Fights" in the west.

Good jorb 'Murica

Citation-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_West_gunfights

Princess Ryans Knickers: Only criminals should have background checks and be kept from having guns.. oh wait, what's that you say? He wasn't a criminal until AFTER he got the guns just like all the rest of the mass shooters?


OK, so a drunk driver only becomes a criminal AFTER he/she is caught.  Do we do some sort of DNA test to check for a predisposition to alcohol gene before we give him/her a license?  What if, they don't ever get that driver's license and go out and kill someone while drunk driving, or just mis-handling the car?

You're right, let's just ban all automobiles.

/because those bans on alcohol, cocaine and heroin made them all disappear, amiright?
2013-03-13 09:44:48 PM
1 votes:

js34603: Watch out we got a badass here guys. He must be part of the well regulated militia we hear so much about. Except the well regulated part, not that big on the regulations. But the tough talk and a lot of guns, he's ALL over that.


The government ought to have more and more and more guns (and bullets, of course) and the people ought to have fewer and fewer and fewer. This is because guns are inherently destructive, except in the hands of the government, in which case they become a valuable tool for enforcing the common good; and because people cannot be trusted to own guns responsibly, unless those same people manage to get a job with a government agency, in which case you can be assured they will only ever use their guns against you in your best interest. Simple really.
2013-03-13 09:44:29 PM
1 votes:

willfullyobscure: And we all know who the real winners[i.imgur.com image 604x768] are in any gun thread, don't we??


Drew Curtis?
2013-03-13 09:42:23 PM
1 votes:

jaytkay: Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.

So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!

My firearms are not allowed in the state of New York because I am not on the list of people with firearms to be confiscated at a later date.

Wow. You are fierce. I bet you get all the ladies with your knowledge of scopes and NY gun laws.



I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, KILLED MANY MEN and loved only one woman with a passion a FLEA like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. NOW, GO HOME, BOY!
2013-03-13 09:34:43 PM
1 votes:

Special ED209: [ww3.hdnux.com image 628x457]
I've seen him before...

Oh yeah!
[5wordmoviereviews.files.wordpress.com image 450x300]
Dorothy brigade. Sharpshooter.


DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?
2013-03-13 09:34:07 PM
1 votes:
DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?


www.fbastard.com
2013-03-13 09:29:24 PM
1 votes:
This wouldn't have happened if the victims each had an AK-47 and missile launcher.  (Am I doing that right, NRA?)

Zeno-25: Four people counts as a mass shooting these days? Talk about lowering the bar. Whatever you can attention whore to further your agenda, I guess.


That anyone is so desensitized as to dismiss four people as too few to count as a mass shooting indicates a serious problem.
2013-03-13 09:28:18 PM
1 votes:
ww3.hdnux.com
I've seen him before...

Oh yeah!
5wordmoviereviews.files.wordpress.com
Dorothy brigade. Sharpshooter.
2013-03-13 09:27:56 PM
1 votes:

Godscrack: Christian gun nuts celebrate another victory!


0/10
2013-03-13 09:27:01 PM
1 votes:

Old enough to know better: Ah, just another brave sacrifice on the alter of Liberty, eh gun owners?


Yeah, whenever people are charged with vehicular homicide I feel real guilty for driving a car.
2013-03-13 09:26:48 PM
1 votes:

Zeno-25: Four people counts as a mass shooting these days? Talk about lowering the bar. Whatever you can attention whore to further your agenda, I guess.


That's twice as many as were killed by firearms in Japan in the entire year of 2006.
2013-03-13 09:25:05 PM
1 votes:
2013-03-13 09:23:00 PM
1 votes:
Folks who are against widespread high-capacity guns: "See - this has to stop. How can we address this?"
Folks who are for widespread high-capacity guns: "Shut up you baby asswipe pieces of shiat. You sound like an idiot."
2013-03-13 09:20:27 PM
1 votes:
God bless these people and their friends and families who sacrificed so much for the Second Amendment.
2013-03-13 09:11:24 PM
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uttertosh: BGates: You mean all those draconian gun control laws didn't work?

Dear BGates, The right to bear arms is draconian, agreed. Sincerely, the rest of the unarmed world.


OH! Sorry... That's the joke dot jay peg, ahm ah rite?
2013-03-13 09:09:51 PM
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Old enough to know better: Ah, just another brave sacrifice on the alter of Liberty, eh gun owners?


Another dumbass expecting the state to protect him. I'm sure the officer will be very sympathetic in his report if something bad happens to you.
2013-03-13 09:08:57 PM
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BGates: You mean all those draconian gun control laws didn't work?


Dear BGates, The right to bear arms is draconian, agreed. Sincerely, the rest of the unarmed world.
2013-03-13 09:08:56 PM
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Bbbbut New York is a gun-free zone. Nanny Bloomberg PROMISED!
2013-03-13 09:08:10 PM
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Old enough to know better: Ah, just another brave sacrifice on the alter of Liberty, eh gun owners?


Damn skippy, you lily livered pansy. Go cry me a river.
2013-03-13 08:52:11 PM
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lordargent: [ww4.hdnux.com image 628x407]

Haters gonna hate.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

If ever there was a photo begging to be shopped...
2013-03-13 08:49:48 PM
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Haha libs!! Only four people innocent people were murdered so guns are awesome!
2013-03-13 08:46:47 PM
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Christian gun nuts celebrate another victory!
2013-03-13 08:46:13 PM
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TerminalEchoes: Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.


Exactly. Guns aren't more dangerous than any other object.

That's why the Marines gave up firearms years ago. They now carry golf clubs. It's saved the taxpayer millions.
2013-03-13 08:42:23 PM
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firefly212: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

He shot at least 12 people, does it not count as a mass shooting if only four die?


You have to draw the line somewhere.  I propose 10 dead and at least 25 wounded for qualification.
2013-03-13 08:36:47 PM
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Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.
2013-03-13 08:35:53 PM
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Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


He shot at least 12 people, does it not count as a mass shooting if only four die?
2013-03-13 08:35:15 PM
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The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: But I was assured guns don't kill people.


Guns don't, bullets do.

But generally, people kill people.  What tool they use is a different topic.
2013-03-13 08:35:07 PM
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Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?
2013-03-13 08:33:46 PM
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The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: But I was assured guns don't kill people.


They don't. Bullets do.  Well, technically, the lack of oxygenated blood getting to the proper organs, tissue damage, and infection do.
2013-03-13 08:29:24 PM
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img2u.info

Where have I seen this guy? Hmmmm.... I know!

citizented.com

(yes, welcome to fark and all that)
2013-03-13 08:28:02 PM
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Between this and the CA gun thread a few down I suspect we will be witnessing a mass goalpost migration.
 
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