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2013-03-13 11:31:27 PM

GUTSU: So to be perfectly clear, you don't care about children killed by cars? Well okay then.


So, to be perfectly clear, you have nothing to back up your idiotic position.  Well okay then.
 
2013-03-13 11:31:36 PM
jso2897:
That stat ...

I like your brand of nihilism, it's refreshing. Tell me, have you heard of Chaos Undivided? They're always looking for converts.
 
2013-03-13 11:33:10 PM

alcoda: Yeah I know what a safety word is. Just don't get the serial killer part. I mean, It's not as if a killer would tell a victim the only phrase that could stop their murder. Maybe I'm stupid.


Just thought the idea of them having a safety word might be amusing in a Scary Movie type of way. Some people have a strong sense of gallows humor I guess. welcometofark.jpg/etc/etc.
 
2013-03-13 11:33:54 PM

vudukungfu: Mrbogey: Benjamin Orr: So.... Since he was an old man with a shotgun.... Should we expect this to quietly fade away from view or be the incident used to pass SAFE2 NY gun control bugaloo part 2?

If you outlaw iron pipes with a screw set on the end of them, then only outlaws will have metal pipes with a screw set on the end of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Va87gB_4AI

Why are these guys always fat?


Why is it that I always watch old black and white Twilight Zone episodes and I can still be amazed at how many future stars appeared in them?
 
2013-03-13 11:34:43 PM

boxster: GUTSU: So to be perfectly clear, you don't care about children killed by cars? Well okay then.

So, to be perfectly clear, you have nothing to back up your idiotic position.  Well okay then.


It's okay if you think guns are somehow more dangerous than cars, even though statistically they aren't. Tell the truth, you don't care about the children... you just don't like guns. Come on, the truth will set you free.
 
2013-03-13 11:36:53 PM

jso2897: Thank you. Lack of sleep and antihistamines aren't helping. I own Yeats complete works - and yes, I should read more Elliot. But, he depresses me, as I mentioned. I'm not sure I care to know all he has to teach.


Eliot can be depressing as hell -- but also funny too, as in "Sweeney Agonistes". His more redemptive and enlightening stuff however is in more developed works such as the "Four Quartets". He was obviously a melancholic type, but was at least partially rescued from it by his late- found faith in Christianity.
 
2013-03-13 11:37:15 PM

boxster: Benjamin Orr: Well this guy killed 27 people and injured 34.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrollton,_Kentucky_bus_collision

But I guess you are ok with more people dying from car accidents per year as long as they die 2 or 3 at a time.

The fact that you had to go back 25 years is pretty interesting.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_Grubman

It happens but it is far easier to claim "oops" when intentionally running someone over with a car then it is when you shoot them with a gun.

Just a hunch but I would wager that to some whites in the it would be considered sporting to run over some random black guy walking along the road in the South.
 
2013-03-13 11:37:35 PM

Bigdogdaddy: Most of the "gun nuts" I know have not been inside a church in years.


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2013-03-13 11:38:41 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Benjamin Orr: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

What about drunk drivers? Do they count?

How many drunk drivers kill 20 children in 5 minutes?


So now it's a matter of timing? Really?
 
2013-03-13 11:39:56 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Benjamin Orr: So.... Since he was an old man with a shotgun.... Should we expect this to quietly fade away from view or be the incident used to pass SAFE2 NY gun control bugaloo part 2?

Following the Port Arthur massacre in Australia back in the 90s the government of that country outlawed all semi- automatic rifles, semi- automatic and pump- action shotguns... but rates of violent crime in that country have continued to rise, and now the usual suspects down there are saying that the remaining legal kinds of firearms (mostly single- shot and bolt- action types) should be outlawed.

Make no mistake: so-called "gun control" (or the even more Orwellian- termed "gun safety") is an incremental process on the way towards the complete abolition of civilian firearms ownership. Once they take your 30-round magazine, they will take your 10- round magazine next (which is already happening in New York State); and once the magazine- capacity restrictions inevitably fail to prevent the next mass shooting, eventually even the 5- round magazine will be too much for the authorities to tolerate, so that the single- shot will be your only choice... until that, in turn, is abolished. You have to resist these people at every step, and never let them gain even an inch.


Well, everybody needs a hobby. Obsessions are good, actually - they keep  people busy. I, for one, have nothing to gain by taking your guns away - it would be a waste of time and money that would neither make my life safer or better in any way. I have far more intractable and worrisome concerns.
 
2013-03-13 11:40:04 PM
The safe word is fluggaenkdechioebolsen
 
2013-03-13 11:40:47 PM

Godscrack: Bigdogdaddy: Most of the "gun nuts" I know have not been inside a church in years.

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There used to be arguments over why soldiers from the 17/1800s closed their eyes when firing muskets....was it from the flash of the gunpowder or was it because they were religious and if they did not see them shoot the adversary they did not commit a sin or something.
 
2013-03-13 11:41:06 PM

GUTSU: jso2897:
That stat ...

I like your brand of nihilism, it's refreshing. Tell me, have you heard of Chaos Undivided? They're always looking for converts.


I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member. I'm a Groucho Marxist.
 
2013-03-13 11:41:28 PM

Godscrack: Bigdogdaddy: Most of the "gun nuts" I know have not been inside a church in years.

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www.cosplayhouse.com
 
2013-03-13 11:42:23 PM

Giltric: There used to be arguments over why soldiers from the 17/1800s closed their eyes when firing muskets


Now they get a free ticket by just going to confession.
 
2013-03-13 11:43:02 PM

jso2897: GUTSU: jso2897:
That stat ...

I like your brand of nihilism, it's refreshing. Tell me, have you heard of Chaos Undivided? They're always looking for converts.

I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member. I'm a Groucho Marxist.


Well, Papa Nurgle counts everyone as family. He's very forgiving.
 
2013-03-13 11:44:03 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: Thank you. Lack of sleep and antihistamines aren't helping. I own Yeats complete works - and yes, I should read more Elliot. But, he depresses me, as I mentioned. I'm not sure I care to know all he has to teach.

Eliot can be depressing as hell -- but also funny too, as in "Sweeney Agonistes". His more redemptive and enlightening stuff however is in more developed works such as the "Four Quartets". He was obviously a melancholic type, but was at least partially rescued from it by his late- found faith in Christianity.


Resolved - when I finish the massive tome on the history of American Art I am now reading*, I'm off to the library for some Elliot. Let's face it - I'm depressed anyway, I may as well do it with style.

*American Visions - Robert Hughes - helluva read.
 
2013-03-13 11:44:10 PM

Benjamin Orr: The safe word is fluggaenkdechioebolsen


it is better to have your partner use non verbal communication like crossing their eyes instead of using a safe word when practicing sexual asphixiation.
 
2013-03-13 11:47:07 PM

Giltric: Benjamin Orr: The safe word is fluggaenkdechioebolsen

it is better to have your partner use non verbal communication like crossing their eyes instead of using a safe word when practicing sexual asphixiation.


Or just stop when they start turning into a smurf.
 
2013-03-13 11:48:26 PM

doglover: Godscrack: Bigdogdaddy: Most of the "gun nuts" I know have not been inside a church in years.

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What Would Jesus Shoot?
U.S. Guns in Afghanistan and Iraq Bear Biblical Inscriptions Praising Christ
CBS News - January 20, 2010
 
2013-03-13 11:50:00 PM
Know what one of the worst parts about the Newtown CT massacre is? We have to relive this farking thread every time there's a shooting, Same bullshiat spouted by (pick whatever side you're on)

Nobodys mind gets changed.
 
2013-03-13 11:50:38 PM

Mazzic518: DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?


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For shooting things.  You should read the Joe Pickett books by CJ Box.  Game wardens are often involved in gunfights and national-level conspiracy.
 
2013-03-13 11:50:58 PM

lostcat: LoneWolf343: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

Because people get shot every day. That shouldn't be happening. It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it, goddammit.

SARCASM

Try reading it again as if I were someone who thinks tjat guns in the hands over anyone who can afford them is not a brilliant idea.


I can't read inflection through text, dude.

doglover: LoneWolf343: It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it,

YES IT WOULD.

Your "doing something" wouldn't stop the violence. You're focusing on the effects, not the cause. Come back with something that targets the source of the problem and is based on facts not emotions and smart people will agree with you.


Tell that to Australia.
 
2013-03-13 11:51:08 PM

jaytkay: doglover: Godscrack: Bigdogdaddy: Most of the "gun nuts" I know have not been inside a church in years.

[img560.imageshack.us image 577x578]

[www.cosplayhouse.com image 800x351]

What Would Jesus Shoot?
U.S. Guns in Afghanistan and Iraq Bear Biblical Inscriptions Praising Christ
CBS News - January 20, 2010


Oh man. I had forgotten about that little bit of retardation.
 
2013-03-13 11:51:50 PM
jso2897: I'm pretty sure that if and when we all line up to cheer the Antichrist, or Big Brother, or Paris Hilton that the heavily armed will be right there cheering along with the rest of us.

Well, no. I won't, for one; and I doubt that I'm unique in being repelled by much of our contemporary culture and political life.

I know it is not enough for you that I don't want to take your guns away - I know that you insist that I share your fantasies about their non-existent power. I apologize - I can't. But hey - keep 'em. In the end , they won't make any difference

Just out of curiosity, jso2897, how do you think the future is going to unfold in the US over the next fifty years or so? The comments you've made on this thread seem to suggest that you don't share in the limitless optimism of those Farkers who believe that everything will be fine so long as the Democrats remain in power.
 
2013-03-13 11:54:00 PM

diaphoresis: It's a 3.5 hr drive from NYC. It's 4 people (dunno that I would call it Mass Shootings).  Media focuses on this because... it's a slow news day and the current federal administration is trying to pound a way to get rid of guns...

Why was this even a story? If the dude killed vestial virgins, then it would a story.


I didn't even see this in the news. Popeapalozza sucked up all the airtime on the news stations today.

News stations don't bother on reporting these now unless there's more than 10 people involved.
 
2013-03-13 11:55:38 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Just out of curiosity, jso2897, how do you think the future is going to unfold in the US over the next fifty years or so? The comments you've made on this thread seem to suggest that you don't share in the limitless optimism of those Farkers who believe that everything will be fine so long as the Democrats remain in power.


I know, things would be so much better if the Republicans were back in charge right?

I don't think the next 50 years are going to be as dramatic as people try to make it sound myself.
 
2013-03-13 11:57:20 PM
Yes, YOU WILL BEG the gubbermint to take your guns.

And yes, the gubbermint will happily oblige.

And this will cause a HUGE rift in the political spectrum - and all of the Lefty Liberal Gun Grabbers WILL be voted out of office - only to be replaced by the hard-core Right-Wing Conservative Douchebags that you HATE, and that will enact laws that you utterly DESPISE.

But you know what? There won't be a damn thing you can do about it - because you BEGGED the gubbermint to take from you the only card you had to play.

Do you think "they" would actually reinstate "rights" that effectively weaken their position?

LOL!

Elitist Authoritarian asshats don't give a shiat about principle or politics, they want POWER, and that means a strong ruling class and a subservient peasant class.

Enjoy.
 
2013-03-13 11:58:15 PM

LoneWolf343: Tell that to Australia.


Where only the bad guys have guns. You wanna live there, you go right ahead.
 
2013-03-13 11:58:31 PM

Mrtraveler01: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Just out of curiosity, jso2897, how do you think the future is going to unfold in the US over the next fifty years or so? The comments you've made on this thread seem to suggest that you don't share in the limitless optimism of those Farkers who believe that everything will be fine so long as the Democrats remain in power.

I know, things would be so much better if the Republicans were back in charge right?

I don't think the next 50 years are going to be as dramatic as people try to make it sound myself.


It will be pretty much like the last 50 years, only with more of everything.

Unless that zombie apocalypse happens, then it will be like the last 50 years only with way more awesome.
 
2013-03-13 11:58:31 PM

John Buck 41: Know what one of the worst parts about the Newtown CT massacre is? We have to relive this farking thread every time there's a shooting, Same bullshiat spouted by (pick whatever side you're on)

Nobodys mind gets changed.


That - and the concern that both sides are investing way too much import in a relatively trivial matter while far worse and more profound things are going wrong with us and our society that we aren't even aware of.
 
2013-03-13 11:58:47 PM

Gyrfalcon: WhoopAssWayne: alcoda: WhoopAssWayne: Evil High Priest: Ah. "Wayne". The most popular serial killer name.

Don't tell anyone, but my serial killer 'safety word' is 'Scooby-Doo'. It's like a get out of jail for free card.

What is a serial killer safety word?

/for serial

Well, if you're serial about it, here's urban dictionary's definition of a safety word. Seems like Scooby-Doo would be a good choice. What harm could sweet, sweet Scoob ever do to you?

That has raised such a hysterical image of a dominatrix's dungeon in my mind, with her submissive on all fours yelling "Scooooby-dooooo!" in Scooby's voice.

+1 and a Scooby Snack.



VELMA!

I knew it.
 
2013-03-13 11:59:25 PM

Benjamin Orr: First one I found on google....

So we are back to it being ok as long as the deaths from drunk driving are spread out over more events?


Nope, we're still at asking for data showing that cars are used as weapons as much or more than guns are, all other things being equal.

While you're busy changing the subject, cars are one of the most regulated and restricted products sold in the United States, and drivers are required to register, provide proof of insurance, follow traffic laws, etc.  Move to a new state, and the new agency usually checks your prior record before issuing you a license.

So, you're OK with guns and gun owners facing the same levels of regulation?  Nope, 'cause cars ain't in the Constitution!
 
2013-03-13 11:59:26 PM

jso2897: Not important. If you want to think that guns are growing in popularity among Americans, think it. It doesn't matter. Society is getting safer anyway, statistically, and I think that safety is about the least of our worries - at least, the immediate, personal sort of safety. What worries me - and I'll say it again, one last time - is a populace who only believe that they can lose their freedom to be human by having it taken from them.
Guns are fine - have all you want. Just don't think they'll make you safe, or free, or.....anything, really.
I'm pretty sure that if and when we all line up to cheer the Antichrist, or Big Brother, or Paris Hilton that the heavily armed will be right there cheering along with the rest of us.
I know it is not enough for you that I don't want to take your guns away - I know that you insist that I share your fantasies about their non-existent power. I apologize - I can't. But hey - keep 'em. In the end , they won't make any difference.


No, he's right. You're citing bad statics, assuming that you're going off the GSS survey. The director is a gun control advocate. Here's a link to a more reputable gallop poll from 2011

 http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/Self-Reported-Gun-Ownership-Highe st- 1993.aspx


And these estimates are low. There have been other polls that included questions like " would you tell a stranger that you owned a gun?" with 50% responding "no", and they fit the demographic to own a gun. Gun owners arent much into admitting it now to anonymous people, I wouldn't. Well, at least not on the phone.  Gun grabbers like to promote the diminishing amount of owners buying more guns idea. It makes them feel that they have the support of more of the population, and it fits in with the gun nut hoarding stereotype.

Also, there is pretty strong anecdotal evidence. I know about 4 people who have just gotten their first guns, and I'm pretty hard pressed to think of any guys I know well that don't own any. That coupled with the fact that the internet is sold out of guns and even farking 90$ Nagant revolvers have sold out is pretty compelling that gun ownership just took a steep rise.

As to your freedom point, sure. Both sides are basically a bunch of jackasses that want to force you to live how they think you should and are happy to burden people with more laws and take away choices, no matter their rhetoric. I've said quite few times that I with people were as vocal about their rights in general as gun owners are about gun rights.
 
2013-03-14 12:04:14 AM

boxster: Benjamin Orr: First one I found on google....

So we are back to it being ok as long as the deaths from drunk driving are spread out over more events?

Nope, we're still at asking for data showing that cars are used as weapons as much or more than guns are, all other things being equal.

While you're busy changing the subject, cars are one of the most regulated and restricted products sold in the United States, and drivers are required to register, provide proof of insurance, follow traffic laws, etc.  Move to a new state, and the new agency usually checks your prior record before issuing you a license.

So, you're OK with guns and gun owners facing the same levels of regulation?  Nope, 'cause cars ain't in the Constitution!


Dead kids only count if someone intentionally killed them. Kids killed in a hit and run? fark them. Juat admit you hate guns, come on, I'll understand.
 
2013-03-14 12:05:04 AM

jso2897: John Buck 41: Know what one of the worst parts about the Newtown CT massacre is? We have to relive this farking thread every time there's a shooting, Same bullshiat spouted by (pick whatever side you're on)

Nobodys mind gets changed.

That - and the concern that both sides are investing way too much import in a relatively trivial matter while far worse and more profound things are going wrong with us and our society that we aren't even aware of.


Even though I'm not sure which side of the gun debate you're on, you just got favorited. In bright green, for now, until I figure you out.
 
2013-03-14 12:05:21 AM
LoneWolf343: doglover: LoneWolf343: It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it,

YES IT WOULD.

Your "doing something" wouldn't stop the violence. You're focusing on the effects, not the cause. Come back with something that targets the source of the problem and is based on facts not emotions and smart people will agree with you.

Tell that to Australia.


Look at those numbers. Do they support your claim that gun violence would not happen if we would just "let you do something about it," or do they support everyone else's claim that violence would still occur?

Your own data prove you wrong.
 
2013-03-14 12:06:05 AM

jso2897: I have far more intractable and worrisome concerns.


If this is true you should know that you always have the option of sharing those concerns with others here, and of finding out if any of us are able to give you worthwhile advice about them... at the very least, we can commiserate with whatever it is you are going through.
 
2013-03-14 12:06:15 AM

Mrtraveler01: I don't think the next 50 years are going to be as dramatic as people try to make it sound myself.


The last 10 or 12 have been pretty damn dramatic to me when you start adding up what we've lost and what's on the table to go next. As a 70s kid, I'm still not quite believing how much we've lost in 12 years - it just doesn't seem possible.

Remote murder by drone - no trial - no questions asked?
No fair and speedy trials for the gitmo bunch?
10 year-olds with BB guns being arrested for terrorism?
2nd amendment on the chopping block again?
Illegal wiretapping - completely ignored by the 3 branches, media, AND people?

Your boy Obama has as much culpability as Bush in all of this. He promised to turn it all around, failed, then started expanding on it. Again...... I just can't f****ing believe it. It just happened so fast.
 
2013-03-14 12:06:48 AM

GUTSU: Dead kids only count if someone intentionally killed them. Kids killed in a hit and run? fark them. Juat admit you hate guns, come on, I'll understand.


A hit and run is intentional, dumbass.  Here's a clue:  "run".

You're not helping your cause.
 
2013-03-14 12:11:50 AM

boxster: GUTSU: Dead kids only count if someone intentionally killed them. Kids killed in a hit and run? fark them. Juat admit you hate guns, come on, I'll understand.

A hit and run is intentional, dumbass.  Here's a clue:  "run".

You're not helping your cause.


So every hit and run is intentional? Hit and run, just means someone fled the scene not that they planned it. Of course this is just you deflecting. Come on, all that you have to do is tell the truth, just say it. "I hate guns" just do it, we all know you're thinking it.
 
2013-03-14 12:14:16 AM

jso2897: That - and the concern that both sides are investing way too much import in a relatively trivial matter while far worse and more profound things are going wrong with us and our society that we aren't even aware of.


Whatever it is, i'm sure the liberals are to blame, somehow.
 
2013-03-14 12:18:59 AM

Mrtraveler01: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Just out of curiosity, jso2897, how do you think the future is going to unfold in the US over the next fifty years or so? The comments you've made on this thread seem to suggest that you don't share in the limitless optimism of those Farkers who believe that everything will be fine so long as the Democrats remain in power.

I know, things would be so much better if the Republicans were back in charge right?



Oh, don't you worry.

If the Libs succeed in disarming the populace, the Repubs WILL regain power. And retain it.

Not that they'll restore any "rights". No, not at all.

Why would they?

Nothing would thrill power-hungry Republicans more than to be handed unlimited power over a populace that has been rendered defenseless.

Horrorshow, baby.

Horrorshow.
 
2013-03-14 12:19:03 AM

Mrtraveler01: I know, things would be so much better if the Republicans were back in charge right?


Ah no, I never said that. I only suggested that things weren't automatically going to be fine just because the Democrats were in charge. You need to review your basic logic, pal. As it happens, the only difference between the Republicans and Democrats is that the Republicans would take a couple of extra years to destroy the US economy.

I don't think the next 50 years are going to be as dramatic as people try to make it sound myself.

Good for you. I've no doubt you also believe that the government can continue to expand indefinitely in scope without at some point becoming tyrannical; that it can indefinitely print money without that radically devaluing the value of the dollar and its purchasing power for the average consumer; and that the vast demographic shifts within your country -- with a population increasingly fractured along ethnic lines and an ever- burgeoning elderly population living off an ever- shrinking younger one -- can sustain your present standard of living. I wish you all the joy of your optimism; God knows it's better than confronting your future honestly.
 
2013-03-14 12:24:54 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: I'm pretty sure that if and when we all line up to cheer the Antichrist, or Big Brother, or Paris Hilton that the heavily armed will be right there cheering along with the rest of us.

Well, no. I won't, for one; and I doubt that I'm unique in being repelled by much of our contemporary culture and political life.

I know it is not enough for you that I don't want to take your guns away - I know that you insist that I share your fantasies about their non-existent power. I apologize - I can't. But hey - keep 'em. In the end , they won't make any difference

Just out of curiosity, jso2897, how do you think the future is going to unfold in the US over the next fifty years or so? The comments you've made on this thread seem to suggest that you don't share in the limitless optimism of those Farkers who believe that everything will be fine so long as the Democrats remain in power.


It doesn't have much to do with politics. The current popularity of the Democrats (which I think will increase, for a while) is more of a reaction to the recent excesses of the Neoconservatives than any particular measure of their merits. I don't see politics as the main thing that is changing our lives right now - I am more concerned about technology. And I think that the changes technology is bringing are going to make politics pale to insignificance in the future we are looking at right now. We are a species about a million years old , more or less - and in the last hundred years, the way we live has turned into something that doesn't bear much relationship to what we have evolved in - and I really wonder if we can adapt and r5etain the parts of our humanity that we value.
We have created a world in which more and more material wealth is created by fewer and fewer people, and more and more of us simply have nothing to do with ourselves beyond what amuses us - society needs fewer and fewer of us to function. I don't know if that's a good thing, or a bad thing, or whether we can adapt to that at all. We've created a world where a person can eschew any and all actual interaction with other humans - and yet have the entire world at his fingertips. Again - maybe good, maybe bad - who knows? But I'm seeing some cracks in the structure. Without he necessity of the ape-pack to define us, and ensure our survival, what will define us? When existence ceases to be a struggle, what outlet will our innate need to struggle against the universe take? I'm not ready to panic, but I'm not confident of a good outcome, either. It's easy to laugh at the crap one sees on 4chan, or the worst of what we see here - but there are a lot of people these days that seem to be simply seething with existential terror and rage - despite the fact that we are safer, more entertained, and fed than we have ever been - and maybe it's not all that funny.
It's early in the game. What will we be like after a century of this, or two? We have been given much that generations and generations of humans have desired, and never had - and assuming that we will be happier because we get what we desired is a rash assumption, at best - humans often are not at all happy when we get what we desire.
The gun debate often turns to the subject of freedom - and freedom is a good thing. But all the guns in the world (or for that matter, any illusory "safety" that might result from the lack of them) will be of little use to us
if we become creatures who don't value freedom or even know what it is, or what it's for. It won't matter whether the government, or any political faction, abuse or defend our freedom if we cease to value it, or live lives in whose context it even matters.
It might be more appropriate for us to fear Ryan Seacrest far more than we do Barack Obama or Mitt Romney, or whoever their counterparts in the future may be. There's a reason they didn't bother to make President Camacho a Democrat or a Republican - in the context of Idiocracy, it didn't matter.
 
2013-03-14 12:24:57 AM

GUTSU: So every hit and run is intentional? Hit and run, just means someone fled the scene not that they planned it. Of course this is just you deflecting. Come on, all that you have to do is tell the truth, just say it. "I
hate guns" just do it, we all know you're thinking it.


Deflection, ha ha.  So says the master.

How many intentional hit-and-runs result in death vs. how many intentional shootings result in death?

That's relevant.  Comparing all vehicle deaths to shooting deaths is not.

I love you guys.  By your logic, every drunk-driving death is a murder and just like shooting someone intentionally.  But, but, drunk drivers kill as many people as guns do!!

Even then, you're wrong.  You guys always conveniently forget that drunk drivers often kill only themselves.

So, is that murder or suicide?
 
2013-03-14 12:39:47 AM

DrExplosion: LoneWolf343: doglover: LoneWolf343: It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it,

YES IT WOULD.

Your "doing something" wouldn't stop the violence. You're focusing on the effects, not the cause. Come back with something that targets the source of the problem and is based on facts not emotions and smart people will agree with you.

Tell that to Australia.

Look at those numbers. Do they support your claim that gun violence would not happen if we would just "let you do something about it," or do they support everyone else's claim that violence would still occur?

Your own data prove you wrong.


How adorable. You think you're reading.
 
2013-03-14 12:43:53 AM

Pete_T_Mann: A lot of stuff about whether guns are or aren't losing popularity.


Peter - I'm sorry - I don't agree, but either way, it is a trivial issue to me, and I am only responding to you out of courtesy - believe what you wish to believe. In the greater scheme of things, it doesn't matter. If guns were our biggest problem, and our only concerns regarding freedom is that some guy from the government might try to take it away from us, we'd be a society (and a species) in far, far better shape. Put bluntly - we got 99 problems, and guns ain't one.
 
2013-03-14 12:43:56 AM

boxster: GUTSU: So every hit and run is intentional? Hit and run, just means someone fled the scene not that they planned it. Of course this is just you deflecting. Come on, all that you have to do is tell the truth, just say it. "I
hate guns" just do it, we all know you're thinking it.

Deflection, ha ha.  So says the master.

How many intentional hit-and-runs result in death vs. how many intentional shootings result in death?

That's relevant.  Comparing all vehicle deaths to shooting deaths is not.

I love you guys.  By your logic, every drunk-driving death is a murder and just like shooting someone intentionally.  But, but, drunk drivers kill as many people as guns do!!

Even then, you're wrong.  You guys always conveniently forget that drunk drivers often kill only themselves.

So, is that murder or suicide?


So a child killed intentionally by a gun, is worse than being killed by a car accidentally? Would 2 children killed by cars be worse? Or would that still not matter?

Still waiting for you to admit that you hate guns, I honestly don't know why you just don't come out and say it.
 
2013-03-14 12:49:38 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: I have far more intractable and worrisome concerns.

If this is true you should know that you always have the option of sharing those concerns with others here, and of finding out if any of us are able to give you worthwhile advice about them... at the very least, we can commiserate with whatever it is you are going through.


It does cheer me up to argue and talk with people on Fark. But the concerns I have for humanity, I will probably carry to my grave. I'm old, and I personally have the great fortune to have a pretty nice life, and the options to enjoy what's left of it in peace. The important answers to my questions are hidden in the future - and we humans are horrible at predicting the future. Human life is changing so fast, now, that the issue of whether we can or will change with it successfully simply can't be even partially answered until it happens. Those of you who are young though - I would suggest you fasten your seat belts, because I suspect that you are in for one weird and bumpy ride.
 
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