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2013-03-13 10:54:56 PM

GoldSpider: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The AR-15 is simply one weapon that has been stigmatized by emotional incontinents due to the fact that it looks scary, even though it is very far from being the most powerful legal firearm available.

Imagine what they would say if they knew most deer rifles can penetrate armor.


Or what a creative soul could load into a a bunch of 12 gauge shells with nothing but a pocket knife and ten minutes.
 
2013-03-13 10:55:29 PM

Benjamin Orr: willfullyobscure: if it ends up that this dude had an AyHurr-Furfteen type weapon, I am NEVER going to let you tards live it down. It's gonna be great.

And if he used a shotgun?


btw.... He did use a shotgun

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/nyregion/four-killed-in-shootings-i n -upstate-new-york.html
 
2013-03-13 10:55:37 PM

Evil High Priest: First they came for the cheese. But I was not a cheese..


...or a bucket of Amish-produced raw milk.
 
2013-03-13 10:56:17 PM

Evil High Priest: Ah. "Wayne". The most popular serial killer name.


Don't tell anyone, but my serial killer 'safety word' is 'Scooby-Doo'. It's like a get out of jail for free card.
 
2013-03-13 10:57:33 PM

GUTSU: boxster: GUTSU: So you don't care about all the children killed in car accidents? Or do you just ignore them because you can't use their dead bodies as a platform against gun ownership?

How many were killed intentionally?  I'm sure you have stats since you think the comparison is apt.

What's the percentage of gun owners that are also mass murders?


Nope, wrong again.  The relevant question would be what percentage of gun owners use their guns to intentionally kill other people.

The related relevant question is what percentage of car owners - or drivers, for that matter - use their cars to intentionally kill other people.

"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.
 
2013-03-13 10:58:16 PM
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2013-03-13 10:58:20 PM

GoldSpider: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The AR-15 is simply one weapon that has been stigmatized by emotional incontinents due to the fact that it looks scary, even though it is very far from being the most powerful legal firearm available.

Imagine what they would say if they knew most deer rifles can penetrate armor.


Yeah. There are plenty of videos on youtube showing .308 or .30-06 rifles blowing apart concrete blocks from 100 yards away.

.223 pretty much bounces off at that range.

But AR-15 scary and bad.
 
2013-03-13 10:59:37 PM

Benjamin Orr: btw.... He did use a shotgun


A Biden Special?
 
2013-03-13 11:00:00 PM

GoldSpider: Imagine what they would say if they knew most deer rifles can penetrate armor.


Give them credit. Most know this. It takes a lot of effort to ignore it. Don't denigrate their work.

Benjamin Orr: Benjamin Orr: willfullyobscure: if it ends up that this dude had an AyHurr-Furfteen type weapon, I am NEVER going to let you tards live it down. It's gonna be great.

And if he used a shotgun?

btw.... He did use a shotgun

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/nyregion/four-killed-in-shootings-i n -upstate-new-york.html


After Newtown there was a farker who chimed in about how if Lanza had a shotgun things would have turned out differently... because children apparently get +5 AC to shotgun.
 
2013-03-13 11:00:04 PM

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The ratings would be through the roof.
 
2013-03-13 11:00:06 PM

Peki: dr_blasto: Evil High Priest: EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: So - keep your guns. They, and you, are no threat to me.

That's great, but could you write to Sen. Feinstein to let her know that? Thanks.

But as for your freedoms - you'd better guard them closely, and don't assume that when they are taken that it will be by some guy in jackboots kicking in your front door. As Yeats so depressingly pointed out, not all worlds end with bangs - sometimes, they end in whimpers.

I don't disagree that western civilization is going down the sh*tter in large part due to the stupefied apathy of the citizenry. Guns are for free men, but how free are we when we let State agencies dictate what kinds of lightbulbs we can use or what kinds of cheeses we can eat, when online companies are gathering our data freely and sharing it with the government, or when we censor ourselves from speaking plainly in everyday conversation because we are worried that someone might be offended and we might be reprimanded, fired or even prosecuted? How free are we when our traditional deference towards the police and the military has mutated into a cringing servility towards all forms of authority, no matter how they treat us? But no matter, there is always something on TV to watch and some food to stuff our faces with -- until one day there won't be, of course, and we'll wonder what the hell happened while we were choosing not to notice.

First they came for the cheese. But I was not a cheese..

How much cheese, in pounds, did they come for?

Ten pounds?


Sounds about right to me.
 
2013-03-13 11:01:10 PM
Benjamin Orr: btw.... He did use a shotgun

Listen you dirty right-wing bastard, if the shotgun is good enough for Joe Biden then it's good enough for me.
 
2013-03-13 11:01:45 PM

Benjamin Orr: Benjamin Orr: willfullyobscure: if it ends up that this dude had an AyHurr-Furfteen type weapon, I am NEVER going to let you tards live it down. It's gonna be great.

And if he used a shotgun?

btw.... He did use a shotgun

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/nyregion/four-killed-in-shootings-i n -upstate-new-york.html



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2013-03-13 11:01:58 PM

Mrbogey: because children apparently get +5 AC to shotgun.


I lawled.
 
2013-03-13 11:04:15 PM

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2013-03-13 11:04:26 PM

lostcat: She's mostly right. As Americans we have all this freedom


the sooner you realize this is not true, and that you've been lied to, the better off you'll be.
 
2013-03-13 11:05:22 PM
boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.
 
2013-03-13 11:07:18 PM

GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.


Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.
 
2013-03-13 11:08:01 PM
So.... Since he was an old man with a shotgun.... Should we expect this to quietly fade away from view or be the incident used to pass SAFE2 NY gun control bugaloo part 2?
 
2013-03-13 11:08:29 PM

Peki: atomicmask: Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed,

Going against a gay person's nature to act straight? That would surely cause depression.

Depression because being gay is against nature? (when there are over 14,000 species that have documented occurrences of homosexual encounters, and only one that practices homophobia?) Nope.

I'm bi. The only time I have ever been "depressed" was a) when I couldn't figure wtf I was because the only words batted around at the time were gay and straight, and I knew I wasn't either, and b) whenever I've had discrimination because of who I am (not just because I'm bi, but because of other things about me too).

If you're straight, try practicing a homosexual lifestyle. You'll find out just how much against our nature it is for us to "just act straight." Now, go sit in the corner until you can learn to behave like a decent human being.


How the fark did this cool gun thread turn into a gay/straight (oh, and let's not forget those bi's) bullshiatfest?
 
2013-03-13 11:09:27 PM

boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.


What about drunk drivers? Do they count?
 
2013-03-13 11:10:43 PM

John Buck 41: Peki: atomicmask: Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed,

Going against a gay person's nature to act straight? That would surely cause depression.

Depression because being gay is against nature? (when there are over 14,000 species that have documented occurrences of homosexual encounters, and only one that practices homophobia?) Nope.

I'm bi. The only time I have ever been "depressed" was a) when I couldn't figure wtf I was because the only words batted around at the time were gay and straight, and I knew I wasn't either, and b) whenever I've had discrimination because of who I am (not just because I'm bi, but because of other things about me too).

If you're straight, try practicing a homosexual lifestyle. You'll find out just how much against our nature it is for us to "just act straight." Now, go sit in the corner until you can learn to behave like a decent human being.

How the fark did this cool gun thread turn into a gay/straight (oh, and let's not forget those bi's) bullshiatfest?


Well there was a gay thread earlier that got all gunny. 's only fair.
 
2013-03-13 11:10:53 PM

GoldSpider: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The AR-15 is simply one weapon that has been stigmatized by emotional incontinents due to the fact that it looks scary, even though it is very far from being the most powerful legal firearm available.

Imagine what they would say if they knew most deer rifles can penetrate armor.


Holy crap you guys have armored deer there?
 
2013-03-13 11:11:07 PM

Benjamin Orr: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

What about drunk drivers? Do they count?


Sure.  Provide some stats on how many drivers intentionally kill other people with cars while drunk vs. the number of gun owners intentionally kill other people with guns while drunk and let's see how they look.
 
2013-03-13 11:11:22 PM

Benjamin Orr: So.... Since he was an old man with a shotgun.... Should we expect this to quietly fade away from view or be the incident used to pass SAFE2 NY gun control bugaloo part 2?


If you outlaw iron pipes with a screw set on the end of them, then only outlaws will have metal pipes with a screw set on the end of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Va87gB_4AI
 
2013-03-13 11:11:43 PM

boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.


Oh, so children killed accidentally by cars don't count? Shouldn't you want to ban cars and pools? Both of them kill far, far more children than guns do annually. If you don't campaign to stop the sale, production, and distribution of motor-vehicles and pools you honestly don't care about the deaths of children... or you're somehow biased against firearms.
 
2013-03-13 11:13:13 PM

tallen702: The "dwindling households with guns" one always makes me chuckle a bit. Firearms sales are at all time highs


The actual statistic: Households with guns 1974-51%  2010-37%. The fact that the dwindling number of people who own guns panic buying them in great numbers doesn't change the demographic trend of diminishing interest in guns. Not that we are arguing about it, since you stated that your opinion is based on anecdotal evidence. But it it only part of the reason that I don't really care about gun control, one way or the other. As I said -you are welcome to your guns - neither you or them are or ever could be a threat to me. Anyway, I am a gun owner myself, and not a hypocrite. If they pass a few gun control laws - I don't care either.
You missed maybe 98% of the point I was making - that the idea that when and if our freedoms are taken from us, it will be by force, or that guns will even have anything to do with it. Guns do not equal freedom - they are just a tool of, or against, physical force. Handy in some situations, but no guarantee of freedom.
Now maybe you can look around this country today and think that the only threat to your freedom is some jackbooted thug from the government - in my view, that's the least of our worries. I think it is far more likely that when the day comes that we all line up to cheer Big Brother, that the NRA and it's members will be lustily cheering and waving their guns in the air in approval, along with everybody else.
Nobody has to "take" our freedom if we have forgotten what it is. Freedom is a state of mind, not a pile of worthless possessions - not guns, or any THING else. You could have an arsenal, and still be a slave - as long as you don't know it.Guns are useful tools - and only that. They will not make or keep you free, or brave, or happy, or a man. Believe that they (or any other THING) will at your own peril.
But hey - keep your guns. Neither they nor you frighten me in the least.
 
2013-03-13 11:14:47 PM

GUTSU: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

Oh, so children killed accidentally by cars don't count? Shouldn't you want to ban cars and pools? Both of them kill far, far more children than guns do annually. If you don't campaign to stop the sale, production, and distribution of motor-vehicles and pools you honestly don't care about the deaths of children... or you're somehow biased against firearms.


They are biased against intent.

I don't agree with it at all, but its hardly an utterly nonsensical point of view.
 
2013-03-13 11:15:18 PM

Benjamin Orr: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

What about drunk drivers? Do they count?


How many drunk drivers kill 20 children in 5 minutes?
 
2013-03-13 11:15:52 PM

boxster: Benjamin Orr: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

What about drunk drivers? Do they count?

Sure.  Provide some stats on how many drivers intentionally kill other people with cars while drunk vs. the number of gun owners intentionally kill other people with guns while drunk and let's see how they look.


So if you get drunk and then drive a 3000 pound machine around and plow into a bus full of nuns bottle feeding baby monkeys... That is just an unfortunate accident that nobody could have seen coming?
 
2013-03-13 11:16:35 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Evil High Priest: Ah. "Wayne". The most popular serial killer name.

Don't tell anyone, but my serial killer 'safety word' is 'Scooby-Doo'. It's like a get out of jail for free card.


What is a serial killer safety word?

/for serial
 
2013-03-13 11:16:38 PM

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


Yeah, give it another week and one person and a dog will be a massacre.
 
2013-03-13 11:18:26 PM

jso2897: tallen702: The "dwindling households with guns" one always makes me chuckle a bit. Firearms sales are at all time highs

The actual statistic: Households with guns 1974-51%  2010-37%. The fact that the dwindling number of people who own guns panic buying them in great numbers doesn't change the demographic trend of diminishing interest in guns. Not that we are arguing about it, since you stated that your opinion is based on anecdotal evidence. But it it only part of the reason that I don't really care about gun control, one way or the other. As I said -you are welcome to your guns - neither you or them are or ever could be a threat to me. Anyway, I am a gun owner myself, and not a hypocrite. If they pass a few gun control laws - I don't care either.
You missed maybe 98% of the point I was making - that the idea that when and if our freedoms are taken from us, it will be by force, or that guns will even have anything to do with it. Guns do not equal freedom - they are just a tool of, or against, physical force. Handy in some situations, but no guarantee of freedom.
Now maybe you can look around this country today and think that the only threat to your freedom is some jackbooted thug from the government - in my view, that's the least of our worries. I think it is far more likely that when the day comes that we all line up to cheer Big Brother, that the NRA and it's members will be lustily cheering and waving their guns in the air in approval, along with everybody else.
Nobody has to "take" our freedom if we have forgotten what it is. Freedom is a state of mind, not a pile of worthless possessions - not guns, or any THING else. You could have an arsenal, and still be a slave - as long as you don't know it.Guns are useful tools - and only that. They will not make or keep you free, or brave, or happy, or a man. Believe that they (or any other THING) will at your own peril.
But hey - keep your guns. Neither they nor you frighten me in the least.


That statistic is hilariously skewed, if you looked at the graph gun ownership for whatever reason mysteriously dropped during 1994 and during other not-so-friendly to gun owner years, only to jump back up later.
Also, who the fark would tell someone doing a phone or house survey that they own guns?
 
2013-03-13 11:19:22 PM

jaytkay: tallen702: I know it's anecdotal, but all of my gun-owning friends spend more time doing things with their families, getting out and about on the weekends, and enjoying their lives than most of my non-gun-owning friends.

Not anecdotal: Men who murder their families and then kill themselves after a barricade situation are nearly 100% gun owners.


Anti-gunners are nearly 100% void of common sense.
 
2013-03-13 11:20:24 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: As Yeats so depressingly pointed out, not all worlds end with bangs - sometimes, they end in whimpers.

Just FYI it was T.S. Eliot who said that. Yeats was the one who is frequently quoted for his famous phrase "the best lack all conviction / while the worst are full of a passionate intensity". The best of the Modernist poets had a hell of a lot to teach us about ourselves as we journey through our limited lives; for anyone who wants to get into poetry but doesn't know where to begin, I'd recommend an anthology of Eliot's and Yeats's complete works to get you started -- you won't regret it.


Thank you. Lack of sleep and antihistamines aren't helping. I own Yeats complete works - and yes, I should read more Elliot. But, he depresses me, as I mentioned. I'm not sure I care to know all he has to teach.
 
2013-03-13 11:20:39 PM

alcoda: WhoopAssWayne: Evil High Priest: Ah. "Wayne". The most popular serial killer name.

Don't tell anyone, but my serial killer 'safety word' is 'Scooby-Doo'. It's like a get out of jail for free card.

What is a serial killer safety word?

/for serial


Well, if you're serial about it, here's urban dictionary's definition of a safety word. Seems like Scooby-Doo would be a good choice. What harm could sweet, sweet Scoob ever do to you?
 
2013-03-13 11:20:46 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Benjamin Orr: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

What about drunk drivers? Do they count?

How many drunk drivers kill 20 children in 5 minutes?


Well this guy killed 27 people and injured 34.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrollton,_Kentucky_bus_collision

But I guess you are ok with more people dying from car accidents per year as long as they die 2 or 3 at a time.
 
2013-03-13 11:21:19 PM

Mrbogey: Benjamin Orr: So.... Since he was an old man with a shotgun.... Should we expect this to quietly fade away from view or be the incident used to pass SAFE2 NY gun control bugaloo part 2?

If you outlaw iron pipes with a screw set on the end of them, then only outlaws will have metal pipes with a screw set on the end of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Va87gB_4AI


Why are these guys always fat?
 
2013-03-13 11:24:34 PM

GUTSU: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

Oh, so children killed accidentally by cars don't count? Shouldn't you want to ban cars and pools? Both of them kill far, far more children than guns do annually. If you don't campaign to stop the sale, production, and distribution of motor-vehicles and pools you honestly don't care about the deaths of children... or you're somehow biased against firearms.


I have no problem with firearms.  I own several and have been a gun owner since I was a kid.  I have a problem with idiotic comparisons that make zero sense.  Comparing vehicle deaths to gun deaths is one of the dumbest arguments people can make, and it makes them look ridiculous.  On top of that, they, just like you did, try to have it both ways.  Yes, let's compare all vehicle deaths to just gun deaths via "mass murder".  That makes perfect sense.

Nope, sorry, doesn't work that way.  Either put them on equal terms - how many times are they used as weapons to intentionally kill people - or the comparison is invalid.  It just makes you look like an idiot.
 
2013-03-13 11:24:43 PM

Gyrfalcon: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Yeah, give it another week and one person and a dog will be a massacre.


A fella can't murder 3 or 4 neighbors these days without the LIEBERALS going all "massacre!" and "carnage!"

Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-03-13 11:26:17 PM

Benjamin Orr: So.... Since he was an old man with a shotgun.... Should we expect this to quietly fade away from view or be the incident used to pass SAFE2 NY gun control bugaloo part 2?


Following the Port Arthur massacre in Australia back in the 90s the government of that country outlawed all semi- automatic rifles, semi- automatic and pump- action shotguns... but rates of violent crime in that country have continued to rise, and now the usual suspects down there are saying that the remaining legal kinds of firearms (mostly single- shot and bolt- action types) should be outlawed.

Make no mistake: so-called "gun control" (or the even more Orwellian- termed "gun safety") is an incremental process on the way towards the complete abolition of civilian firearms ownership. Once they take your 30-round magazine, they will take your 10- round magazine next (which is already happening in New York State); and once the magazine- capacity restrictions inevitably fail to prevent the next mass shooting, eventually even the 5- round magazine will be too much for the authorities to tolerate, so that the single- shot will be your only choice... until that, in turn, is abolished. You have to resist these people at every step, and never let them gain even an inch.
 
2013-03-13 11:26:18 PM

Benjamin Orr: cameroncrazy1984: Benjamin Orr: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

What about drunk drivers? Do they count?

How many drunk drivers kill 20 children in 5 minutes?

Well this guy killed 27 people and injured 34.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrollton,_Kentucky_bus_collision

But I guess you are ok with more people dying from car accidents per year as long as they die 2 or 3 at a time.


Actually, how do you calculate how long it takes to kill someone with a car? From impact, or from the actual collision? Depending how long he was on the road his Kill-to-Minute ratio could have been more than 20 in 5 minutes.
 
2013-03-13 11:27:43 PM

vudukungfu: Mrbogey: Benjamin Orr: So.... Since he was an old man with a shotgun.... Should we expect this to quietly fade away from view or be the incident used to pass SAFE2 NY gun control bugaloo part 2?

If you outlaw iron pipes with a screw set on the end of them, then only outlaws will have metal pipes with a screw set on the end of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Va87gB_4AI

Why are these guys always fat?



There is a high probability that anyone you see on youtube is drunk, fat, poor or all three.

/statistical parameters of the population or something
 
2013-03-13 11:27:57 PM

WhoopAssWayne: alcoda: WhoopAssWayne: Evil High Priest: Ah. "Wayne". The most popular serial killer name.

Don't tell anyone, but my serial killer 'safety word' is 'Scooby-Doo'. It's like a get out of jail for free card.

What is a serial killer safety word?

/for serial

Well, if you're serial about it, here's urban dictionary's definition of a safety word. Seems like Scooby-Doo would be a good choice. What harm could sweet, sweet Scoob ever do to you?


Yeah I know what a safety word is. Just don't get the serial killer part. I mean, It's not as if a killer would tell a victim the only phrase that could stop their murder. Maybe I'm stupid.
 
2013-03-13 11:28:15 PM

GUTSU: jso2897: tallen702: The "dwindling households with guns" one always makes me chuckle a bit. Firearms sales are at all time highs

The actual statistic: Households with guns 1974-51%  2010-37%. The fact that the dwindling number of people who own guns panic buying them in great numbers doesn't change the demographic trend of diminishing interest in guns. Not that we are arguing about it, since you stated that your opinion is based on anecdotal evidence. But it it only part of the reason that I don't really care about gun control, one way or the other. As I said -you are welcome to your guns - neither you or them are or ever could be a threat to me. Anyway, I am a gun owner myself, and not a hypocrite. If they pass a few gun control laws - I don't care either.
You missed maybe 98% of the point I was making - that the idea that when and if our freedoms are taken from us, it will be by force, or that guns will even have anything to do with it. Guns do not equal freedom - they are just a tool of, or against, physical force. Handy in some situations, but no guarantee of freedom.
Now maybe you can look around this country today and think that the only threat to your freedom is some jackbooted thug from the government - in my view, that's the least of our worries. I think it is far more likely that when the day comes that we all line up to cheer Big Brother, that the NRA and it's members will be lustily cheering and waving their guns in the air in approval, along with everybody else.
Nobody has to "take" our freedom if we have forgotten what it is. Freedom is a state of mind, not a pile of worthless possessions - not guns, or any THING else. You could have an arsenal, and still be a slave - as long as you don't know it.Guns are useful tools - and only that. They will not make or keep you free, or brave, or happy, or a man. Believe that they (or any other THING) will at your own peril.
But hey - keep your guns. Neither they nor you frighten me in the least.

That statistic i ...


Not important. If you want to think that guns are growing in popularity among Americans, think it. It doesn't matter. Society is getting safer anyway, statistically, and I think that safety is about the least of our worries - at least, the immediate, personal sort of safety. What worries me - and I'll say it again, one last time - is a populace who only believe that they can lose their freedom to be human by having it taken from them.
Guns are fine - have all you want. Just don't think they'll make you safe, or free, or.....anything, really.
I'm pretty sure that if and when we all line up to cheer the Antichrist, or Big Brother, or Paris Hilton that the heavily armed will be right there cheering along with the rest of us.
I know it is not enough for you that I don't want to take your guns away - I know that you insist that I share your fantasies about their non-existent power. I apologize - I can't. But hey - keep 'em. In the end , they won't make any difference.
 
2013-03-13 11:28:26 PM

Benjamin Orr: Well this guy killed 27 people and injured 34.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrollton,_Kentucky_bus_collision

But I guess you are ok with more people dying from car accidents per year as long as they die 2 or 3 at a time.


The fact that you had to go back 25 years is pretty interesting.
 
2013-03-13 11:28:42 PM

boxster: GUTSU: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

Oh, so children killed accidentally by cars don't count? Shouldn't you want to ban cars and pools? Both of them kill far, far more children than guns do annually. If you don't campaign to stop the sale, production, and distribution of motor-vehicles and pools you honestly don't care about the deaths of children... or you're somehow biased against firearms.

I have no problem with firearms.  I own several and have been a gun owner since I was a kid.  I have a problem with idiotic comparisons that make zero sense.  Comparing vehicle deaths to gun deaths is one of the dumbest arguments people can make, and it makes them look ridiculous.  On top of that, they, just like you did, try to have it both ways.  Yes, let's compare all vehicle deaths to just gun deaths via "mass murder".  That makes perfect sense.

Nope, sorry, doesn't work that way.  Either put them on equal terms - how many times are they used as weapons to intentionally kill people - or the comparison is invalid.  It just makes you look like an idiot.


So to be perfectly clear, you don't care about children killed by cars? Well okay then.
 
2013-03-13 11:29:47 PM

jaytkay: TerminalEchoes: Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.

Exactly. Guns aren't more dangerous than any other object.

That's why the Marines gave up firearms years ago. They now carry golf clubs. It's saved the taxpayer millions.


You're putting words in my mouth. 1/10
 
2013-03-13 11:30:14 PM

WhoopAssWayne: alcoda: WhoopAssWayne: Evil High Priest: Ah. "Wayne". The most popular serial killer name.

Don't tell anyone, but my serial killer 'safety word' is 'Scooby-Doo'. It's like a get out of jail for free card.

What is a serial killer safety word?

/for serial

Well, if you're serial about it, here's urban dictionary's definition of a safety word. Seems like Scooby-Doo would be a good choice. What harm could sweet, sweet Scoob ever do to you?


That has raised such a hysterical image of a dominatrix's dungeon in my mind, with her submissive on all fours yelling "Scooooby-dooooo!" in Scooby's voice.

+1 and a Scooby Snack.
 
2013-03-13 11:31:11 PM

boxster: Benjamin Orr: Well this guy killed 27 people and injured 34.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrollton,_Kentucky_bus_collision

But I guess you are ok with more people dying from car accidents per year as long as they die 2 or 3 at a time.

The fact that you had to go back 25 years is pretty interesting.


First one I found on google....

So we are back to it being ok as long as the deaths from drunk driving are spread out over more events?
 
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