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2013-03-13 09:45:24 PM  

Marcintosh: If my source is correct, between now and December 14th 2012 we've killed more people than all the real "Gun Fights" in the west.

Good jorb 'Murica

Citation-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_West_gunfights

Princess Ryans Knickers: Only criminals should have background checks and be kept from having guns.. oh wait, what's that you say? He wasn't a criminal until AFTER he got the guns just like all the rest of the mass shooters?


OK, so a drunk driver only becomes a criminal AFTER he/she is caught.  Do we do some sort of DNA test to check for a predisposition to alcohol gene before we give him/her a license?  What if, they don't ever get that driver's license and go out and kill someone while drunk driving, or just mis-handling the car?

You're right, let's just ban all automobiles.

/because those bans on alcohol, cocaine and heroin made them all disappear, amiright?
 
2013-03-13 09:45:40 PM  
Clearly the cops should stop shooting guns at criminals and start throwing laws at them, the more laws, the less often this happens right?
 
2013-03-13 09:46:29 PM  

boxster: In the state, hmm


"Best fried chicken"
 
2013-03-13 09:47:00 PM  

Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.

So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!

My firearms are not allowed in the state of New York because I am not on the list of people with firearms to be confiscated at a later date.

Wow. You are fierce. I bet you get all the ladies with your knowledge of scopes and NY gun laws.


I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, KILLED MANY MEN and loved only one woman with a passion a FLEA like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. NOW, GO HOME, BOY!


1/10
 
2013-03-13 09:47:24 PM  
Caps lock is an anagram and spoonerism for laps cock.  Which is ironic because anyone who uses caps lock inappropriately unrepentantly laps cock.
 
2013-03-13 09:47:26 PM  
This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.
 
2013-03-13 09:49:10 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: and the people ought to have fewer and fewer and fewer.


Actually right now the trend is for fewer and fewer people to stockpile more and more guns. Only something like 30% of the country actually own guns and the rate is like an average of 6 per owner.
 
2013-03-13 09:49:21 PM  

js34603: Except the well regulated part, not that big on the regulations. But the tough talk and a lot of guns, he's ALL over that.


I'd love to see it work the way Volunteer Fire Departments work in rural areas, which while being all-volunteer, are regulated in the since of a hierarchical structure, training, community support (including evil, evil taxes!), standards, qualifications, etc. As for me, I only have a shotgun and an antique rifle, the former of which was last fired 2 years ago when wifey found a nasty, mean snake in the garden!
 
2013-03-13 09:49:33 PM  

Caffandtranqs: the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it


Agreed.

So why is a bunch of derp about guns all that ever comes up when we talk about violence in this country?
 
2013-03-13 09:50:13 PM  

2wolves: tallen702: It's not like the counter was set high anyway. 2 days isn't a long time.... Oh wait... you didn't realize that 11 were shot in inner-city and predominately black DC two days ago? Link

America doesn't have a gun problem. America has a problem with white folk getting shot.

Come down to the rez. We'll protect you, you miserable piece of filth.


Oh, I'll be alright. MSP finally gave the "proceed" on my FAL receiver after 7 goddamned weeks. I figure between that and everything else in the main safe and the Mak in the biometric in the bedroom, I'm pretty well protected right here.
 
2013-03-13 09:50:58 PM  
I don't get why people think little "close knit" communities would be immune to this type of violence (as opposed to drug/gang violence which it really seems they should be immune to).

People in little rural communities are less progressive. They are less accepting of other ways of life. People who are ostracized or bullied become depressed. For example, the bullying of LGBT people has caused them to have a high suicide rate. Thanks, bullies.

More seriously: NO COMMUNITY IS IMMUNE TO MENTAL ILLNESS.
 
2013-03-13 09:51:24 PM  
America.  fark YEAH!
 
2013-03-13 09:51:26 PM  

Ned Stark: Caffandtranqs: the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it

Agreed.

So why is a bunch of derp about guns all that ever comes up when we talk about violence in this country?


Clap. Clap. Clap.
 
2013-03-13 09:51:41 PM  

Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.


Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.
 
2013-03-13 09:52:43 PM  
The problem with freedom, is that some people make poor choices with their freedom.    S
 
2013-03-13 09:53:31 PM  

Giltric: Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.

Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.


Lol bootstraps is pretty much all your 'personal responsibility" garbage deserves.
 
2013-03-13 09:54:25 PM  
If the average American slips on some ice or dumps their coffee in their lap, they're suing someone, but they expect to be given the responsibility of owning a firearm without question.
 
2013-03-13 09:55:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: EvilRacistNaziFascist: and the people ought to have fewer and fewer and fewer.

Actually right now the trend is for fewer and fewer people to stockpile more and more guns. Only something like 30% of the country actually own guns and the rate is like an average of 6 per owner.


Over 2 million background checks per month in the last three months. If you buy multiple firearms at a time you get one background check...and out of that over 2 million background checks per month number the FBI claims a conservative 25% as first time buyers. Other groups rate it at higher than 40% being first time buyers....so at least over 1 million brand new, first time firearms owners in the last 3 months.
 
2013-03-13 09:57:18 PM  

Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.


If this is true, what bearing does it have on gun owners in those parts of the First World where there is relatively little economic disparity, and where a high rate of gun ownership can easily co-exist with a low rate of crime?

/P.S. the meaningless monosyllable "derp" is not an argument for or against anything
 
2013-03-13 09:57:39 PM  

Ned Stark: Giltric: Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.

Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.

Lol bootstraps is pretty much all your 'personal responsibility" garbage deserves.



So you think this killers firearms should be smelted into ingots and he should be let go? It is the guns fault not his?
 
2013-03-13 09:58:07 PM  
The first Fark submissions on this were at around noon, and it took this long to greenlight one?

The situation is still going on by the way. They still don't have the guy in custody.

tulolb-744392546.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com
Kurt Myers.

Wow, Fark is  chock full of fail today.
I guess he didn't have a funny enough hat.

Here is a link to the local news coverage.
http://www.9wsyr.com/content/news/breakingnews/Man-suspected-in-fire -4 -shooting-deaths-in/qzeUmKZusEquHSQ8BhkaYQ.cspx
 
2013-03-13 09:58:16 PM  

spidermilk: I don't get why people think little "close knit" communities would be immune to this type of violence (as opposed to drug/gang violence which it really seems they should be immune to).

People in little rural communities are less progressive. They are less accepting of other ways of life. People who are ostracized or bullied become depressed. For example, the bullying of LGBT people has caused them to have a high suicide rate. Thanks, bullies.

More seriously: NO COMMUNITY IS IMMUNE TO MENTAL ILLNESS.


How uncultured and stereotypical of you. "Rural communities are less progressive" really? Is that why the majority of hate crimes occur in cities? "less accepting of other ways of life" nah we accept other ways of life, we just realize that OUR way of life is just fine also. Since it is OUR neighborhoods and OUR counties, maybe others should make an effort to conform.

"For example, the bullying of LGBT people has caused them to have a high suicide rate"

Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed, being as how nature itself rules that breeding should be the prime motive of a creature, human or other wise, and LGBT are unable to do so. Or maybe its the fact that trans people live at odds with themselves..but I guess its easy to blame everyone but the person who ultimately kills themselves. That would be politically uncorrect, and we cant have that.
 
2013-03-13 09:58:30 PM  
Oh well. Flip the calendar cards back to 0, fellas.
 
2013-03-13 09:59:30 PM  

Giltric: Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.


Can anyone translate this into English for me?
 
2013-03-13 09:59:49 PM  

Giltric: I really hope this well trained SWAT officer does not enocoonter the suspect and a gunfight ensues....his EOTech is mounted backwards.

You are not able to see the reticle looking through the EOTech from that direction...there is a 100% chance he has nver fired that rifle while looking through the scope....and if he hasn't fired that rifle with that scope on it it would not be zeroed and he has as much a chance as shooting some citizen crossing the street a half mile away as he does the suspect.


Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.
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http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

/better believe it's obligatory
 
2013-03-13 10:00:00 PM  

Giltric: Ned Stark: Giltric: Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.

Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.

Lol bootstraps is pretty much all your 'personal responsibility" garbage deserves.


So you think this killers firearms should be smelted into ingots and he should be let go? It is the guns fault not his?


Yep. It's not like Ive spent a couple of dozen threads sticking up for gun rights or anything.
 
2013-03-13 10:00:53 PM  

Ned Stark: Caffandtranqs: the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it

Agreed.

So why is a bunch of derp about guns all that ever comes up when we talk about violence in this country?


Because we are a violent people.  We have been starting fights with people all over the world that has not wanted to give up their lunch money.  We are mean to each other.  We kill each other.  Our behavior speaks of our culture.  Entertainment in all forms is merely a mirror of this.  Just stating what I think.
 
2013-03-13 10:01:00 PM  

gilgamesh23: Peki: We're so farking paranoid about the ONE guy getting food stamps who drives a BMW that the people who ACTUALLY need help but are in farked up situations CAN'T get help because the paperwork is so damned complicated.

Government agencies have a perverse level of risk aversion because the public will jump down their throats if someone who didn't deserve help gets their depraved hands on a handout. We don't forgive if the government screws up. We get angry and we demand hearings and investigations. We blame the agency, not the perpetrator of the fraud.


Yup. Best part is when the fraud doesn't even exist (see voter fraud). I've been to several social services offices and have yet to see the guy in the BMW that the right-wingers claim are so prevalent. Maybe it was like that in the 90s, but a good portion of the people I see trying to get help can't even read the 11 pages of forms they want you to fill out, let alone have any kind of ID, etc. Hell, I HAVE almost all of those things, can read and write, even have two college degrees in different fields, and I *still* can't get help.

We blame the government and the people who are legitimately on the dole, not the perpetrator of the fraud or the people who made the decisions that farked the country so badly that made more people needed to go on the dole.
 
2013-03-13 10:02:02 PM  

Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: EvilRacistNaziFascist: and the people ought to have fewer and fewer and fewer.

Actually right now the trend is for fewer and fewer people to stockpile more and more guns. Only something like 30% of the country actually own guns and the rate is like an average of 6 per owner.

Over 2 million background checks per month in the last three months. If you buy multiple firearms at a time you get one background check...and out of that over 2 million background checks per month number the FBI claims a conservative 25% as first time buyers. Other groups rate it at higher than 40% being first time buyers....so at least over 1 million brand new, first time firearms owners in the last 3 months.


And? that's less than .03% of the current US population.
 
2013-03-13 10:02:28 PM  

whatshisname: If the average American slips on some ice or dumps their coffee in their lap, they're suing someone, but they expect to be given the responsibility of owning a firearm without question.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-13 10:03:39 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Ned Stark: Caffandtranqs: the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it

Agreed.

So why is a bunch of derp about guns all that ever comes up when we talk about violence in this country?

Because we are a violent people.  We have been starting fights with people all over the world that has not wanted to give up their lunch money.  We are mean to each other.  We kill each other.  Our behavior speaks of our culture.  Entertainment in all forms is merely a mirror of this.  Just stating what I think.


Seems like some pretty smart things to think.
 
2013-03-13 10:03:49 PM  

Ned Stark: Giltric: Ned Stark: Giltric: Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.

Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.

Lol bootstraps is pretty much all your 'personal responsibility" garbage deserves.


So you think this killers firearms should be smelted into ingots and he should be let go? It is the guns fault not his?

Yep. It's not like Ive spent a couple of dozen threads sticking up for gun rights or anything.



I try not to color code people. I want every post to be fresh and not have a bias towards a poister based on things they have said in the past.

What sort of sticking up for rights have you done? Any compromises? Limits on ownership or magazine capacities? Are things good the way they are?
 
2013-03-13 10:04:18 PM  
I have a question,  Giltric:do you support universal background checks? Are you a member of the NRA? If so, why?
 
2013-03-13 10:04:36 PM  

taxandspend: lostcat: Peki:


I think she has a point. There's a d ...



Funny, I get the same treatment when trying to talk to:

Airline Employees
Time Warner Customer Service
Best Buy Sales People
Apple Computers when my Protection Plan is near expiration
Bank of America


Yes, it's true there are rude people in customer service. At least in most of those cases I have the option of moving my business to a competitor.

I also think that this bad customer service is the result of what they can get away with because we've all come to expect bad service. Then when we get good service we're blown away. I could tell you amazing stories about consistently good service from ANA (All Nippon Airways), Vietnam Air and NOK (Thai airline) agents who have bent over backwards to help me.

Once, when flying ANA to Vietnam, I realized as I checked in that my return ticket was AFTER the expiration of my Vietnam visa. The ANA agent actually booked me on an earlier flight back, and then told me that she would ensure my original seat was held, so as soon as I got past Vietnamese border control I could call and cancel the return flight and go back to my original flight. It worked without a hitch. I can guarantee you that if I'd been on United that day I would not have flown.
 
2013-03-13 10:04:48 PM  

dmax: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Shame on you, even by trolling, by trying to minimize the wrongness of this. I get that it's Fark, and that it's the internets.
But shame on you anyway.

Somewhere I know there's someone who's lost a friend or family member because of this "freedom" paranoia. Their kid or dad or sister is dead because folks want to impede action by arguing about nomenclature or legalese or obscure historical points.

All that stuff falls away when you remember that there are not-quite-sane people out there who can't parse subtleties and can easily access high-powered deadly weapons. And kill someone that doesn't deserve it. (So that Farkers can post our own version of gallows humor)


True - but if you look at the statistics, you can see that America's love affair with the gun is waning. The percentage of Americans who own guns and households that have them is dwindling year by year.
Statistically, it's safer to live in this country than it has ever been. And I am not really that worried about people having guns, or even thinking that guns can protect their freedoms.
What worries me is that a lot of people assume that guns (which may confer some ability to resist physical force) CAN protect our freedoms in today's worlds. It makes the assumption that when and if our freedoms are taken, it will be by physical force.
I have a mental image of a person, and I have no doubt that he exists. He sits in his house, secure with his closet full of guns. His television is tuned to American Idol. He sits there, soaking up whatever the people with real power want to feed him, while blunting his mind with Bud Light and prescription drugs. Tomorrow, he will rise and go to the soul-killing job he hates, while the AM radio shock jock bludgeons his mind with yet more nonsense. He grinds his way through his empty day, killing his own soul while he enriches his masters.
And then, he goes home and repeats the cycle. Day after day, month after month, year after year. Every so often, he goes to the polls and elects some empty suit that the same TV that rots his mind daily tells him to.
And someday, inevitably, without anyone ever forcibly "taking" it - all his freedom, manhood, and reason for living is gone - and his guns still sit moldering in the closet, unused, because there was never anybody to use them on.
Smart crooks don't do violent crime - they become con artists. Why would anybody use force to take from his victim what that victim can be tricked into relinquishing without a fight? And tyrants are just another type of criminal - the smart ones don't use force, and no gun will ever stop them.
So - keep your guns. They, and you, are no threat to me. But as for your freedoms - you'd better guard them closely, and don't assume that when they are taken that it will be by some guy in jackboots kicking in your front door. As Yeats so depressingly pointed out, not all worlds end with bangs - sometimes, they end in whimpers.
 
2013-03-13 10:05:57 PM  

atomicmask: Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed,


Going against a gay person's nature to act straight? That would surely cause depression.

Depression because being gay is against nature? (when there are over 14,000 species that have documented occurrences of homosexual encounters, and only one that practices homophobia?) Nope.

I'm bi. The only time I have ever been "depressed" was a) when I couldn't figure wtf I was because the only words batted around at the time were gay and straight, and I knew I wasn't either, and b) whenever I've had discrimination because of who I am (not just because I'm bi, but because of other things about me too).

If you're straight, try practicing a homosexual lifestyle. You'll find out just how much against our nature it is for us to "just act straight." Now, go sit in the corner until you can learn to behave like a decent human being.
 
2013-03-13 10:06:52 PM  

spidermilk: the bullying of LGBT people has caused them to have a high suicide rate.


I think that's got a something to do with it, but correlation and causation... Link
 
2013-03-13 10:07:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I have a question,  Giltric:do you support universal background checks? Are you a member of the NRA? If so, why?


Do you support background checks for violent video games? And did you really attend and graduate from Duke, given your username, or are you just posing?
 
2013-03-13 10:08:18 PM  

Giltric: Ned Stark: Giltric: Ned Stark: Giltric: Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.

Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.

Lol bootstraps is pretty much all your 'personal responsibility" garbage deserves.


So you think this killers firearms should be smelted into ingots and he should be let go? It is the guns fault not his?

Yep. It's not like Ive spent a couple of dozen threads sticking up for gun rights or anything.


I try not to color code people. I want every post to be fresh and not have a bias towards a poister based on things they have said in the past.

What sort of sticking up for rights have you done? Any compromises? Limits on ownership or magazine capacities? Are things good the way they are?


I think universal background checks are an alright idea. I think magazine limits are dumb but give little enough of a shiat that if I were the big burrito in congress I would be willing to trade it for something good. I flatly oppose further bans of types of firearms.
 
2013-03-13 10:11:05 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I have a question, Giltric:do you support universal background checks? Are you a member of the NRA? If so, why?


"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the NRA?"
 
2013-03-13 10:11:27 PM  

Peki: atomicmask: Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed,

Going against a gay person's nature to act straight? That would surely cause depression.

Depression because being gay is against nature? (when there are over 14,000 species that have documented occurrences of homosexual encounters, and only one that practices homophobia?) Nope.

I'm bi. The only time I have ever been "depressed" was a) when I couldn't figure wtf I was because the only words batted around at the time were gay and straight, and I knew I wasn't either, and b) whenever I've had discrimination because of who I am (not just because I'm bi, but because of other things about me too).

If you're straight, try practicing a homosexual lifestyle. You'll find out just how much against our nature it is for us to "just act straight." Now, go sit in the corner until you can learn to behave like a decent human being.


Only one that pratices homophobia? Are you implying that you 100% understand the nature of animal aggression and its motives? Chimps have violent fights, they have wars, in fact, they turn on their own sometimes without being provoked. You can not state for a fact that humans are the only ones that practice "homophobia" Yes, depression because a gay acts strait is another example of acting against your nature, but acting against NATURE in general is denying your drive to breed. Some are not born with that drive, I am not stating that a lack of drive or homosexuality is not another facet of nature, but the law of nature is simple, you need food, water shelter, socialization, and a drive to breed. it is the core of all living things. If you are somehow wired to not breed, it can be classified as a defect, and should be. Acknowledgement of this does not make someone a bully, it is a truth. If someone can come to grips with themselves on this issue fine and good, I hope that most can, but lets not say "BULLYING IS THE REASON' when in fact it could be nothing more then a realization of the above, that homosexuality can be viewed as a genetic defect that goes against the rules of survival and nature.
 
2013-03-13 10:11:40 PM  

spidermilk: People in little rural communities are less progressive. They are less accepting of other ways of life. People who are ostracized or bullied become depressed. For example, the bullying of LGBT people has caused them to have a high suicide rate. Thanks, bullies.


Hmm, I've lived in a little rural community for 15 years and I've never heard of anyone locally killing themselves for any reason, let alone because of anti- LGBTQQ2SOMGWTF bullying. It must be because Billy-Joe-Bob-Cletus and his sister-wife hid all the bodies (before celebrating with a hoedown over a jug of moonshine, of course).
 
2013-03-13 10:14:20 PM  
libranoelrose: Haters gonna hate.

I just got home, couldn't have done a better job myself :D
 
2013-03-13 10:14:42 PM  
Herkimer, huh?  Seems appropriate.  Not the first mass killing associated with the name...

www.schenectadyhistory.org


// cheap shot, I know...
 
2013-03-13 10:14:48 PM  

ladyfortuna: Mazzic518: DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?


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His patch and hat say 'police' and the crest on the hat is state police, so... [quizzicaldog.jpg]


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2013-03-13 10:15:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I have a question,  Giltric:do you support universal background checks? Are you a member of the NRA? If so, why?


No i do not support universal background checks in its current potential form because it is linked to mandatory registration. The Schumer UBC bill also makes it a felony for me to go on a business trip while leaving my firearms at home with my wife even if they are in a safe. I am currently a meber of the NRA. I let my membership lapse years ago but became a member again in January because they are the most capable group with the deepest pockets when it comes to 2nd amendment issues and democrats started pushing the gun control agenda again.
 
2013-03-13 10:16:34 PM  

SpdrJay: If everyone wore a personal force shield, this wouldn't be an issue.


Until some jerk invents lasguns. Then we're all doomed.
 
2013-03-13 10:17:52 PM  

Flash_NYC: Marcintosh: If my source is correct, between now and December 14th 2012 we've killed more people than all the real "Gun Fights" in the west.

Good jorb 'Murica

Citation-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_West_gunfights
Princess Ryans Knickers: Only criminals should have background checks and be kept from having guns.. oh wait, what's that you say? He wasn't a criminal until AFTER he got the guns just like all the rest of the mass shooters?

OK, so a drunk driver only becomes a criminal AFTER he/she is caught.  Do we do some sort of DNA test to check for a predisposition to alcohol gene before we give him/her a license?  What if, they don't ever get that driver's license and go out and kill someone while drunk driving, or just mis-handling the car?

You're right, let's just ban all automobiles.

/because those bans on alcohol, cocaine and heroin made them all disappear, amiright?


So, Strawman much?
 
2013-03-13 10:18:42 PM  

Peki: atomicmask: Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed,

Going against a gay person's nature to act straight? That would surely cause depression.

Depression because being gay is against nature? (when there are over 14,000 species that have documented occurrences of homosexual encounters, and only one that practices homophobia?) Nope.

I'm bi. The only time I have ever been "depressed" was a) when I couldn't figure wtf I was because the only words batted around at the time were gay and straight, and I knew I wasn't either, and b) whenever I've had discrimination because of who I am (not just because I'm bi, but because of other things about me too).

If you're straight, try practicing a homosexual lifestyle. You'll find out just how much against our nature it is for us to "just act straight." Now, go sit in the corner until you can learn to behave like a decent human being.


Um, 14,000?  Or is it more like 1500 have been observed and it's been well documented for 500?
 
2013-03-13 10:19:24 PM  

lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?


Because people get shot every day. That shouldn't be happening. It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it, goddammit.
 
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