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2013-03-13 09:25:13 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: But I was assured guns don't kill people.


Well they MIGHT if thrown just right by a very strong person and it hits them just right.
 
2013-03-13 09:25:21 PM  

Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.


So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!
 
2013-03-13 09:25:52 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: I think we need to discuss the word "mass" when it comes to shooting. I mean technically it was in  a public area and there were lots of bullets BUT--------Only 2 people were killed. So really is that mass? In my opinion it is not.


The opinion of someone who lives on socialized medicine but hates socialized medicine is probably not an opinion most people would take seriously.
 
2013-03-13 09:26:06 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: 2wolves: So you're in favor of disbanding the U.S.'s standing military.

As a matter of fact I am, sort of. I think we could disband the Air Force, Marines, Army, and Naval Surface Warfare fleets (carriers, etc). The Air's Force's ICBM units would be rolled into the Navy. That would give us our Strategic Nuclear Forces (ICBM, Subs/SLBMs) for the big boys, Special Forces/SEALS (for the tarrists), and Naval Intelligence as our sole military intelligence unit. I'm guessing roughly a 80% reduction in military spending, but that may be very conservative.


I'm not exactly a proponent of any kind of arms race, but at the same time if we scaled back that much, how long do you think it would be until some other country came for our natural resources? We still have a LOT compared to many nations...

That's always the first reason I invade in RTS's - need more stone/wood/etc...
 
2013-03-13 09:26:48 PM  

Zeno-25: Four people counts as a mass shooting these days? Talk about lowering the bar. Whatever you can attention whore to further your agenda, I guess.


That's twice as many as were killed by firearms in Japan in the entire year of 2006.
 
2013-03-13 09:27:01 PM  

Old enough to know better: Ah, just another brave sacrifice on the alter of Liberty, eh gun owners?


Yeah, whenever people are charged with vehicular homicide I feel real guilty for driving a car.
 
2013-03-13 09:27:56 PM  

Godscrack: Christian gun nuts celebrate another victory!


0/10
 
2013-03-13 09:28:16 PM  

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


It was only a civilian who did it.  It's not like he was a trigger happy gang of pigs
 
2013-03-13 09:28:18 PM  
ww3.hdnux.com
I've seen him before...

Oh yeah!
5wordmoviereviews.files.wordpress.com
Dorothy brigade. Sharpshooter.
 
2013-03-13 09:28:23 PM  

Peki: TerminalEchoes: firefly212: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

How is it not a problem because people get shot every day?

I mean, that seems really farked up that because we lose almost 20k people to gun violence (excluding suicde) every year that it somehow simply doesn't matter that 4 people are dead, six are in critical condition, and several others got transported with non-life threatening injuries. 4, 40, whatever... we're slowly flushing our future away with mindless violence.

Agreed. The problem isn't guns but rather a lack of general civility between Americans. Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.

Yup. These are the lessons we get to learn from the "FU got mine" generation (for clarity, I'm referring to Boomers). Young adults, especially males, who are looking into their future and not very optimistic, tend to make the future not so optimistic for everyone else.


Wasn't this a sixty something year old shooter?
 
2013-03-13 09:29:17 PM  

jaytkay: Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.

So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!


My firearms are not allowed in the state of New York because I am not on the list of people with firearms to be confiscated at a later date.
 
2013-03-13 09:29:24 PM  
This wouldn't have happened if the victims each had an AK-47 and missile launcher.  (Am I doing that right, NRA?)

Zeno-25: Four people counts as a mass shooting these days? Talk about lowering the bar. Whatever you can attention whore to further your agenda, I guess.


That anyone is so desensitized as to dismiss four people as too few to count as a mass shooting indicates a serious problem.
 
2013-03-13 09:29:27 PM  
2 things.

1.Why is this in a San Francisco newspaper website?

2. FTA--The mayor described his village as close-knit and friendly, "the kind of place where you'd say, 'Oh, it would never happen here.'"

This IS scary, 'cos there are so, SO many small towns that describe themselves this way. I live in a burg of about 5000 and we fit that demo perfectly.
 
2013-03-13 09:29:33 PM  
Where does an economically depressed town get all this money for their law enforcement gear?
 
2013-03-13 09:29:47 PM  

ghare: Another one, proving that that people who most want guns are the mentally ill.


Anybody who wants any so-called "freedom" is mentally ill. What we really need is the freedom to let the State micromanage every aspect of our lives. Are you with me?
 
2013-03-13 09:30:12 PM  

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


Shame on you, even by trolling, by trying to minimize the wrongness of this. I get that it's Fark, and that it's the internets.
But shame on you anyway.

Somewhere I know there's someone who's lost a friend or family member because of this "freedom" paranoia. Their kid or dad or sister is dead because folks want to impede action by arguing about nomenclature or legalese or obscure historical points.

All that stuff falls away when you remember that there are not-quite-sane people out there who can't parse subtleties and can easily access high-powered deadly weapons. And kill someone that doesn't deserve it. (So that Farkers can post our own version of gallows humor)
 
2013-03-13 09:30:29 PM  

davidphogan: Peki: TerminalEchoes: firefly212: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

How is it not a problem because people get shot every day?

I mean, that seems really farked up that because we lose almost 20k people to gun violence (excluding suicde) every year that it somehow simply doesn't matter that 4 people are dead, six are in critical condition, and several others got transported with non-life threatening injuries. 4, 40, whatever... we're slowly flushing our future away with mindless violence.

Agreed. The problem isn't guns but rather a lack of general civility between Americans. Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.

Yup. These are the lessons we get to learn from the "FU got mine" generation (for clarity, I'm referring to Boomers). Young adults, especially males, who are looking into their future and not very optimistic, tend to make the future not so optimistic for everyone else.

Wasn't this a sixty something year old shooter?


This is a gun thread, dude. Everyone is just gonna talk about what they imagine to be true.
 
2013-03-13 09:30:50 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: But I was assured guns don't kill people.

Well they MIGHT if thrown just right by a very strong person and it hits them just right.


Pistol whip someone right behind the ear, that'll do it. Also you could probably kill someone by... never mind, I've said too much.
 
2013-03-13 09:31:28 PM  

Godscrack: Christian gun nuts celebrate another victory!


Most of the "gun nuts" I know have not been inside a church in years.  I never thought you'd be a troll.
 
2013-03-13 09:31:57 PM  

ladyfortuna: I'm not exactly a proponent of any kind of arms race, but at the same time if we scaled back that much, how long do you think it would be until some other country came for our natural resources? We still have a LOT compared to many nations...


We'd have the nukes - intercontinental ballistic missiles and the submarine launched missiles. There's no way any country is going to take us on at any kind of scale. Eisenhower talked extensively about this new state of of affairs (post nuclear weapons) both inside and out of his presidency. Military/industrial complex was just a part of it (the spending.) Our homeland will not be systematically attacked by any power capable of doing any real harm as long as we possess these weapons. I highly recommend reading him post-war - he just nails it - what we are spending now is just insane given the reality.
 
2013-03-13 09:32:29 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Old enough to know better: Ah, just another brave sacrifice on the alter of Liberty, eh gun owners?

Another dumbass expecting the state to protect him. I'm sure the officer will be very sympathetic in his report if something bad happens to you.


Watch out we got a badass here guys. He must be part of the well regulated militia we hear so much about.

Except the well regulated part, not that big on the regulations. But the tough talk and a lot of guns, he's ALL over that.
 
2013-03-13 09:33:01 PM  

Tillmaster: Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.


Please. Google the Tri Willow Nursery murders in 1979 in Rome NY. Stuff happens everywhere.
 
2013-03-13 09:34:05 PM  

Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.

So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!

My firearms are not allowed in the state of New York because I am not on the list of people with firearms to be confiscated at a later date.


Wow. You are fierce. I bet you get all the ladies with your knowledge of scopes and NY gun laws.
 
2013-03-13 09:34:07 PM  
DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?


www.fbastard.com
 
2013-03-13 09:34:11 PM  
boxster:   I call BS. New York State has the strictest gun laws in the state.

Maybe they need to reduce the magazine size limit even further.


In the state, hmm?


Hey, you never posted a mistake on Fark?  Okay, it's late in the day fehr crying out loud.
 
2013-03-13 09:34:26 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: ghare: Another one, proving that that people who most want guns are the mentally ill.

Anybody who wants any so-called "freedom" is mentally ill. What we really need is the freedom to let the State micromanage every aspect of our lives. Are you with me?


I read an article that said a dude pushed his girlfriend off a cliff. OK actually I just read the headline but still.

Sure it was only one person but one death is a tragedy. Many deaths is a statistic.
 
2013-03-13 09:34:43 PM  

Special ED209: [ww3.hdnux.com image 628x457]
I've seen him before...

Oh yeah!
[5wordmoviereviews.files.wordpress.com image 450x300]
Dorothy brigade. Sharpshooter.


DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?
 
2013-03-13 09:34:57 PM  

ladyfortuna: WhoopAssWayne: 2wolves: So you're in favor of disbanding the U.S.'s standing military.

As a matter of fact I am, sort of. I think we could disband the Air Force, Marines, Army, and Naval Surface Warfare fleets (carriers, etc). The Air's Force's ICBM units would be rolled into the Navy. That would give us our Strategic Nuclear Forces (ICBM, Subs/SLBMs) for the big boys, Special Forces/SEALS (for the tarrists), and Naval Intelligence as our sole military intelligence unit. I'm guessing roughly a 80% reduction in military spending, but that may be very conservative.

I'm not exactly a proponent of any kind of arms race, but at the same time if we scaled back that much, how long do you think it would be until some other country came for our natural resources? We still have a LOT compared to many nations...

That's always the first reason I invade in RTS's - need more stone/wood/etc...


The only country that has a decent chance of messing with us in a ground war on our turf is China, and that's just a pure numbers game. When we're spending more than almost ALL of the other countries IN THE WORLD combined??? Yeah, we can afford to cut. . . a lot. . .

Also, if you need to invade because you're short on resources, then how are you going to get the resources to finish the war? To reference another post on this thread, it's not like we're Poland and can be taken over in 16 days. Much better would be to do an economic war, which is what I suspect is actually going on right now. If you look at the housing market, first time buyers are NOT the ones snapping up land; it's foreign investors, usually Chinese and Japanese. They might just move everyone over, and then, surprise, we're a colony of China now.
 
2013-03-13 09:35:32 PM  

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


Eh, its more a function of style than success rate.

Did they fire randomly upon strangers or near strangers? mass shooting.
Did they soot some people who they personally had something against? not mass.
 
2013-03-13 09:35:35 PM  

Mazzic518: DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?


[www.fbastard.com image 628x457]


His patch and hat say 'police' and the crest on the hat is state police, so... [quizzicaldog.jpg]
 
2013-03-13 09:36:01 PM  

Mazzic518: DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?


[www.fbastard.com image 628x457]


gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net
 
2013-03-13 09:37:45 PM  

Freud's Cigar: Tillmaster: Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.

Please. Google the Tri Willow Nursery murders in 1979 in Rome NY. Stuff happens everywhere.


Before my time, as it happens, but I hear you.
 
2013-03-13 09:37:53 PM  
Only criminals should have background checks and be kept from having guns.. oh wait, what's that you say? He wasn't a criminal until AFTER he got the guns just like all the rest of the mass shooters?
 
2013-03-13 09:38:09 PM  
If my source is correct, between now and December 14th 2012 we've killed more people than all the real "Gun Fights" in the west.

Good jorb 'Murica

Citation-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_West_gunfights
 
2013-03-13 09:38:48 PM  

Marcintosh: If my source is correct, between now and December 14th 2012 we've killed more people than all the real "Gun Fights" in the west.

Good jorb 'Murica

Citation-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_West_gunfights


But what about per capita?!?!
 
2013-03-13 09:39:07 PM  
My thoughts and prayers go out to the doctors and first responders and near by wild-life and the guys that have to clean up all the blood and poop and to the manufacturers of the bullets and their families and friends and their parents and the folks who love them.
 
2013-03-13 09:39:23 PM  

Freud's Cigar: Tillmaster: Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.

Please. Google the Tri Willow Nursery murders in 1979 in Rome NY. Stuff happens everywhere.


Stuff like this that doesn't involve mass shootings happens all the time in central NY. Hell, we had some morons try to outrun some troopers and then pull off on a farm road and take potshots at them on the route I take to school. Last I heard they were getting some serious time for that, since it's a higher felony to attempt/kill law enforcement in NY... Been several other crazy things just since I moved here a few years ago.

/the boonies
//the white trash
///and the booze...
 
2013-03-13 09:40:08 PM  
News is reporting that there was an argument in the barber shop prior to the shooting......witnesses are claiming it went something like this


You must be out your goddamn mind! Joe Louis, the greatest boxer that ever lived.  I'll be with you boys in a minute. He was badder than Cassius Clay, he was badder than Sugar Ray, and that new boy-what's his name? Mike Tyson?-looks like a bulldog; he was badder than him, too.

Vait a minute. Vat about Rocky Marciano

Oh, there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin' 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out they ass. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano! Rocky Marciano! Let me tell you something, once and for all-Rocky Marciano was good; but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't shiat.

He beat Joe Louis' ass.

That's right, he did whoop Joe Louis' ass.

Joe Louis was 75 years old when they fought.

I don't know how old he was, but he got his ass whooped.

Joe Louis had come out of retirement to fight Rocky Marciano the minute he was 76 years old. Joe Louis was always lying about his age. He lied about his age all the time. One time Frank Sinatra came in here and sat in this chair. I said Frank 'you hang out with Joe Louis, just between me and you, how old is Joe Louis?' You know what Frank told me, he said "Hey, Joe Louis is 137 years old." A hundred and thirty-seven years old!

Oh. Man, you lying, you ain't never meet no Frank Sinatra.

Fark you, (gunsots) fark you,(gunshots) and fark you!(more gunshots) Who's next?!
 
2013-03-13 09:40:35 PM  

davidphogan: Peki: TerminalEchoes: firefly212: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

How is it not a problem because people get shot every day?

I mean, that seems really farked up that because we lose almost 20k people to gun violence (excluding suicde) every year that it somehow simply doesn't matter that 4 people are dead, six are in critical condition, and several others got transported with non-life threatening injuries. 4, 40, whatever... we're slowly flushing our future away with mindless violence.

Agreed. The problem isn't guns but rather a lack of general civility between Americans. Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.

Yup. These are the lessons we get to learn from the "FU got mine" generation (for clarity, I'm referring to Boomers). Young adults, especially males, who are looking into their future and not very optimistic, tend to make the future not so optimistic for everyone else.

Wasn't this a sixty something year old shooter?


My point can still stand. It's not like seniors are getting the better end of the stick these days. You mess with people, they will mess with you back.

/yes, made an assumption about the shooter's age, but not without cause. Wasn't the DC sniper older too (not the kid, the other one)?
 
2013-03-13 09:40:47 PM  

Tillmaster: Freud's Cigar: Tillmaster: Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.

Please. Google the Tri Willow Nursery murders in 1979 in Rome NY. Stuff happens everywhere.

Before my time, as it happens, but I hear you.


Google Rome, NY 1999. Yeah shiat happens.
 
2013-03-13 09:41:17 PM  
I thought all weapons with large magazines were illegal in new york.
 
2013-03-13 09:41:55 PM  

Giltric: News is reporting that there was an argument in the barber shop prior to the shooting......witnesses are claiming it went something like this


You must be out your goddamn mind! Joe Louis, the greatest boxer that ever lived.  I'll be with you boys in a minute. He was badder than Cassius Clay, he was badder than Sugar Ray, and that new boy-what's his name? Mike Tyson?-looks like a bulldog; he was badder than him, too.

Vait a minute. Vat about Rocky Marciano

Oh, there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin' 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out they ass. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano! Rocky Marciano! Let me tell you something, once and for all-Rocky Marciano was good; but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't shiat.

He beat Joe Louis' ass.

That's right, he did whoop Joe Louis' ass.

Joe Louis was 75 years old when they fought.

I don't know how old he was, but he got his ass whooped.

Joe Louis had come out of retirement to fight Rocky Marciano the minute he was 76 years old. Joe Louis was always lying about his age. He lied about his age all the time. One time Frank Sinatra came in here and sat in this chair. I said Frank 'you hang out with Joe Louis, just between me and you, how old is Joe Louis?' You know what Frank told me, he said "Hey, Joe Louis is 137 years old." A hundred and thirty-seven years old!

Oh. Man, you lying, you ain't never meet no Frank Sinatra.

Fark you, (gunsots) fark you,(gunshots) and fark you!(more gunshots) Who's next?!


justifiable homicide, clearly.
 
2013-03-13 09:42:23 PM  

jaytkay: Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.

So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!

My firearms are not allowed in the state of New York because I am not on the list of people with firearms to be confiscated at a later date.

Wow. You are fierce. I bet you get all the ladies with your knowledge of scopes and NY gun laws.



I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, KILLED MANY MEN and loved only one woman with a passion a FLEA like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. NOW, GO HOME, BOY!
 
2013-03-13 09:43:08 PM  

Peki: The only country that has a decent chance of messing with us in a ground war on our turf is China, and that's just a pure numbers game.


Part of the beauty of the reductions I proposed is that we could no longer face them in a numbers game / infantry battle. We would have no conventional forces - just the nuclear deterrent. It would protect our homeland and also prevent us from "getting into a land war in asia" or anywhere else.
 
2013-03-13 09:44:04 PM  

potterydove: I thought all weapons with large magazines were illegal in new york.


No, large magazines  aboutweapons were banned. 
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2013-03-13 09:44:29 PM  

willfullyobscure: And we all know who the real winners[i.imgur.com image 604x768] are in any gun thread, don't we??


Drew Curtis?
 
2013-03-13 09:44:32 PM  

Peki: We're so farking paranoid about the ONE guy getting food stamps who drives a BMW that the people who ACTUALLY need help but are in farked up situations CAN'T get help because the paperwork is so damned complicated.


Government agencies have a perverse level of risk aversion because the public will jump down their throats if someone who didn't deserve help gets their depraved hands on a handout. We don't forgive if the government screws up. We get angry and we demand hearings and investigations. We blame the agency, not the perpetrator of the fraud.
 
2013-03-13 09:44:48 PM  

js34603: Watch out we got a badass here guys. He must be part of the well regulated militia we hear so much about. Except the well regulated part, not that big on the regulations. But the tough talk and a lot of guns, he's ALL over that.


The government ought to have more and more and more guns (and bullets, of course) and the people ought to have fewer and fewer and fewer. This is because guns are inherently destructive, except in the hands of the government, in which case they become a valuable tool for enforcing the common good; and because people cannot be trusted to own guns responsibly, unless those same people manage to get a job with a government agency, in which case you can be assured they will only ever use their guns against you in your best interest. Simple really.
 
2013-03-13 09:45:06 PM  

ladyfortuna: Freud's Cigar: Tillmaster: Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.

Please. Google the Tri Willow Nursery murders in 1979 in Rome NY. Stuff happens everywhere.

Stuff like this that doesn't involve mass shootings happens all the time in central NY. Hell, we had some morons try to outrun some troopers and then pull off on a farm road and take potshots at them on the route I take to school. Last I heard they were getting some serious time for that, since it's a higher felony to attempt/kill law enforcement in NY... Been several other crazy things just since I moved here a few years ago.

/the boonies
//the white trash
///and the booze...



 I used to live in that area, back in the day of the Tri Willow etc.

Sigh. No place is safe anymore. But if you are living in the Utica/Rome area, please leave. I hate to see any Farker that close to the Evil Vortex.
 
2013-03-13 09:45:14 PM  

Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.

So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!

My firearms are not allowed in the state of New York because I am not on the list of people with firearms to be confiscated at a later date.

Wow. You are fierce. I bet you get all the ladies with your knowledge of scopes and NY gun laws.


I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, KILLED MANY MEN and loved only one woman with a passion a FLEA like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. NOW, GO HOME, BOY!


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

/Twice in three days!
\\wait, slashies or backslashies?
 
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