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2013-03-13 08:25:58 PM  
My buddy was a witness to this shooting. He's pretty shaken up about it.
 
2013-03-13 08:28:02 PM  
Between this and the CA gun thread a few down I suspect we will be witnessing a mass goalpost migration.
 
2013-03-13 08:29:16 PM  
Well it had been literal HOURS since the last gun thread so it was bound to happen.
 
2013-03-13 08:29:24 PM  
img2u.info

Where have I seen this guy? Hmmmm.... I know!

citizented.com

(yes, welcome to fark and all that)
 
2013-03-13 08:29:45 PM  
You mean all those draconian gun control laws didn't work?
 
2013-03-13 08:30:55 PM  
But...guns!
 
2013-03-13 08:32:04 PM  
ww4.hdnux.com

Haters gonna hate.
 
2013-03-13 08:32:12 PM  
It's not like the counter was set high anyway. 2 days isn't a long time.... Oh wait... you didn't realize that 11 were shot in inner-city and predominately black DC two days ago? Link

America doesn't have a gun problem. America has a problem with white folk getting shot.
 
2013-03-13 08:32:16 PM  
Did the gunman use a Glock AK-15 assault missle with high capacity clip?
 
2013-03-13 08:32:26 PM  
so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?
 
2013-03-13 08:32:30 PM  
But I was assured guns don't kill people.
 
2013-03-13 08:33:46 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: But I was assured guns don't kill people.


They don't. Bullets do.  Well, technically, the lack of oxygenated blood getting to the proper organs, tissue damage, and infection do.
 
2013-03-13 08:33:50 PM  
 
2013-03-13 08:34:14 PM  
 
2013-03-13 08:34:38 PM  

lordargent: [ww4.hdnux.com image 628x407]

Haters gonna hate.


Wow. That cop is FABULOUS.

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


Four Dead. EMS1 is reporting 6 in critical condition, some others are wounded.

To avoid turning this into a debate, my thoughts go out to the family and people involved in this shooting. And to the Responders, Trauma team, and people caring for these victims.
 
2013-03-13 08:34:43 PM  
Been following this story on the local news outlets here in Utica, was wondering how long it'd take to show up on here.
 
2013-03-13 08:34:48 PM  
The fact that this is basically considered "background noise" in the USA is telling, isn't it?
 
2013-03-13 08:35:07 PM  
it's just like marijuana.
hitting your head against on the wall, etc..
 
2013-03-13 08:35:07 PM  

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?
 
2013-03-13 08:35:15 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: But I was assured guns don't kill people.


Guns don't, bullets do.

But generally, people kill people.  What tool they use is a different topic.
 
2013-03-13 08:35:20 PM  
I'm just glad to see the cop running with the shotgun didn't have his finger on the trigger.
 
2013-03-13 08:35:22 PM  
If everyone wore a personal force shield, this wouldn't be an issue.
 
2013-03-13 08:35:41 PM  
Locked down a college?  A shooting happens at a freaking barber shop off campus, and they force adults who are going deep into debt for their education to be locked in a room?

Treating adults like children?  Priceless.
 
2013-03-13 08:35:53 PM  

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


He shot at least 12 people, does it not count as a mass shooting if only four die?
 
2013-03-13 08:36:02 PM  

Yogimus: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: But I was assured guns don't kill people.

They don't. Bullets do.  Well, technically, the lack of oxygenated blood getting to the proper organs, tissue damage, and infection do.


I prefer, "Guns don't kill people, momentum does."
 
2013-03-13 08:36:15 PM  

hardinparamedic: lordargent: [ww4.hdnux.com image 628x407]

Haters gonna hate.

Wow. That cop is FABULOUS.

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Four Dead. EMS1 is reporting 6 in critical condition, some others are wounded.

To avoid turning this into a debate, my thoughts go out to the family and people involved in this shooting. And to the Responders, Trauma team, and people caring for these victims.


Ah, ok. My reading comprehension was a bit sub-par as I was skimming the story.
 
2013-03-13 08:36:47 PM  
Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.
 
2013-03-13 08:37:33 PM  
 
2013-03-13 08:38:57 PM  

halB: Locked down a college?  A shooting happens at a freaking barber shop off campus, and they force adults who are going deep into debt for their education to be locked in a room?

Treating adults like children?  Priceless.


Better than getting sued by one of the parents of those "adults who are going deep into debt" for not trying to protect them when the shooter decided to wander onto campus.
 
2013-03-13 08:39:51 PM  

lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?


How is it not a problem because people get shot every day?

I mean, that seems really farked up that because we lose almost 20k people to gun violence (excluding suicde) every year that it somehow simply doesn't matter that 4 people are dead, six are in critical condition, and several others got transported with non-life threatening injuries. 4, 40, whatever... we're slowly flushing our future away with mindless violence.
 
2013-03-13 08:40:16 PM  

lordargent: [ww4.hdnux.com image 628x407]

Haters gonna hate.


LOLZ
 
2013-03-13 08:41:56 PM  

firefly212: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

How is it not a problem because people get shot every day?

I mean, that seems really farked up that because we lose almost 20k people to gun violence (excluding suicde) every year that it somehow simply doesn't matter that 4 people are dead, six are in critical condition, and several others got transported with non-life threatening injuries. 4, 40, whatever... we're slowly flushing our future away with mindless violence.


Agreed. The problem isn't guns but rather a lack of general civility between Americans. Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.
 
2013-03-13 08:42:23 PM  

firefly212: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

He shot at least 12 people, does it not count as a mass shooting if only four die?


You have to draw the line somewhere.  I propose 10 dead and at least 25 wounded for qualification.
 
2013-03-13 08:45:12 PM  

MNguy: firefly212: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

He shot at least 12 people, does it not count as a mass shooting if only four die?

You have to draw the line somewhere.  I propose 10 dead and at least 25 wounded for qualification.


Jared Lee Loughner would be heartbroken.
 
2013-03-13 08:45:35 PM  

tallen702: It's not like the counter was set high anyway. 2 days isn't a long time.... Oh wait... you didn't realize that 11 were shot in inner-city and predominately black DC two days ago? Link

America doesn't have a gun problem. America has a problem with white folk getting shot.


Obviously Americans don't care about that shooting. If they did it would have been covered in a national newspaper that reported daily events.

/they'd probably call it The U.S. Today or something like that
 
2013-03-13 08:46:07 PM  

Tillmaster: Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.


ever try Utica's favorite recipe, steamed hams?

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-13 08:46:09 PM  

lordargent: [ww4.hdnux.com image 628x407]

Haters gonna hate.


Your post needs to be captioned in that pic.
 
2013-03-13 08:46:13 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.


Exactly. Guns aren't more dangerous than any other object.

That's why the Marines gave up firearms years ago. They now carry golf clubs. It's saved the taxpayer millions.
 
2013-03-13 08:46:37 PM  
It's always dangerous when everybody's sleeping
 
2013-03-13 08:46:47 PM  
Christian gun nuts celebrate another victory!
 
2013-03-13 08:46:53 PM  
So 4 = mass now? In what Catholic church did you get shiat out from subby?   Or was this in Massachusetts?
 
2013-03-13 08:47:12 PM  
I can see Westboro protesting this in support of gun control: GOD  HATES MAGS!!!
 
2013-03-13 08:47:43 PM  

TerminalEchoes: firefly212: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

How is it not a problem because people get shot every day?

I mean, that seems really farked up that because we lose almost 20k people to gun violence (excluding suicde) every year that it somehow simply doesn't matter that 4 people are dead, six are in critical condition, and several others got transported with non-life threatening injuries. 4, 40, whatever... we're slowly flushing our future away with mindless violence.

Agreed. The problem isn't guns but rather a lack of general civility between Americans. Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.


Yup. These are the lessons we get to learn from the "FU got mine" generation (for clarity, I'm referring to Boomers). Young adults, especially males, who are looking into their future and not very optimistic, tend to make the future not so optimistic for everyone else.
 
2013-03-13 08:49:48 PM  
Haha libs!! Only four people innocent people were murdered so guns are awesome!
 
2013-03-13 08:52:11 PM  

lordargent: [ww4.hdnux.com image 628x407]

Haters gonna hate.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

If ever there was a photo begging to be shopped...
 
2013-03-13 08:53:02 PM  

firefly212: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

How is it not a problem because people get shot every day?

I mean, that seems really farked up that because we lose almost 20k people to gun violence (excluding suicde) every year that it somehow simply doesn't matter that 4 people are dead, six are in critical condition, and several others got transported with non-life threatening injuries. 4, 40, whatever... we're slowly flushing our future away with mindless violence.


I was intentionally keeping my sarcasm turned down as low as possible.
 
2013-03-13 08:54:56 PM  
This is pretty farked up.

/Can't wait for summer when it heats up out there.
 
2013-03-13 08:55:27 PM  

TerminalEchoes: firefly212: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

How is it not a problem because people get shot every day?

I mean, that seems really farked up that because we lose almost 20k people to gun violence (excluding suicde) every year that it somehow simply doesn't matter that 4 people are dead, six are in critical condition, and several others got transported with non-life threatening injuries. 4, 40, whatever... we're slowly flushing our future away with mindless violence.

Agreed. The problem isn't guns but rather a lack of general civility between Americans. Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.


And what happens if they take away the internets. WHAT THEN???
 
2013-03-13 08:55:46 PM  
How long has it been since we've gone  twelve hourswithout a mass shooting?
 
2013-03-13 08:56:31 PM  
Am I the only one who read the headline and thought - 'omg - someone shot the new pope'...

/prolly just me
 
2013-03-13 08:57:12 PM  
Repeat?

Oh.  Right.
 
2013-03-13 08:57:14 PM  
I call BS. New York State has the strictest gun laws in the state.

Maybe they need to reduce the magazine size limit even further.
 
2013-03-13 08:57:48 PM  
Look on the bright side. Obama might have some more dead kids to exploit and use as props in the next state of the union, being the classy guy that he is, right democrats? This tragedy would just be another great win for you, you scumbag pieces of sh*t.
 
2013-03-13 08:58:16 PM  
It's a 3.5 hr drive from NYC. It's 4 people (dunno that I would call it Mass Shootings).  Media focuses on this because... it's a slow news day and the current federal administration is trying to pound a way to get rid of guns...

Why was this even a story? If the dude killed vestial virgins, then it would a story.
 
2013-03-13 08:59:10 PM  
Ill just leave this here:

"These swine had no chance against us. It is appalling that they even resisted." He did not say what was
actually on his mind. A ragged band of Jews with a few guns and no military training whatsoever had
managed to hold off the best efforts of the German Army. This fact went counter to everything the General
had ever known about Jews. He briefly wondered how they had accomplished this feat and who had been
leading them, then pushed the disturbing thoughts out of his mind and returned to more immediate tasks.
The general's unease was well-founded, and the Warsaw ghetto resistance would be a valuable history
lesson for anyone who studied it. With less than twenty weapons, a starving band of resisters had held off
the German Army for twenty-seven days and nights before being defeated.
When the German Army had conquered the entire country of Poland in 1939, it had taken them sixteen
days."

-Unintended Consequences
 
2013-03-13 08:59:31 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Did the gunman use a Glock AK-15 assault missle with high capacity clip?


He exercised his second amendment right to be an asshole.
 
2013-03-13 09:02:07 PM  

tallen702: It's not like the counter was set high anyway. 2 days isn't a long time.... Oh wait... you didn't realize that 11 were shot in inner-city and predominately black DC two days ago? Link

America doesn't have a gun problem. America has a problem with white folk getting shot.


Come down to the rez. We'll protect you, you miserable piece of filth.
 
2013-03-13 09:04:10 PM  

SirEattonHogg: I call BS. New York State has the strictest gun laws in the state.

Maybe they need to reduce the magazine size limit even further.


In the state, hmm?
 
2013-03-13 09:05:56 PM  

boxster: SirEattonHogg: I call BS. New York State has the strictest gun laws in the state.

Maybe they need to reduce the magazine size limit even further.

In the state, hmm?


in the state
 
2013-03-13 09:06:17 PM  
Ah, just another brave sacrifice on the alter of Liberty, eh gun owners?
 
2013-03-13 09:06:34 PM  
Four people counts as a mass shooting these days? Talk about lowering the bar. Whatever you can attention whore to further your agenda, I guess.
 
2013-03-13 09:07:47 PM  

lordargent: [ww4.hdnux.com image 628x407]

Haters gonna hate.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-13 09:08:10 PM  

Old enough to know better: Ah, just another brave sacrifice on the alter of Liberty, eh gun owners?


Damn skippy, you lily livered pansy. Go cry me a river.
 
2013-03-13 09:08:33 PM  
Todd300: "-Unintended Consequences "

Not sure what that little bit from the book has to do with this shooting.

/has a copy
//read multiple times
 
2013-03-13 09:08:36 PM  

Todd300: Ill just leave this here:

"These swine had no chance against us. It is appalling that they even resisted." He did not say what was
actually on his mind. A ragged band of Jews with a few guns and no military training whatsoever had
managed to hold off the best efforts of the German Army. This fact went counter to everything the General
had ever known about Jews. He briefly wondered how they had accomplished this feat and who had been
leading them, then pushed the disturbing thoughts out of his mind and returned to more immediate tasks.
The general's unease was well-founded, and the Warsaw ghetto resistance would be a valuable history
lesson for anyone who studied it. With less than twenty weapons, a starving band of resisters had held off
the German Army for twenty-seven days and nights before being defeated.
When the German Army had conquered the entire country of Poland in 1939, it had taken them sixteen
days."

-Unintended Consequences


For God's sake, why?
 
2013-03-13 09:08:46 PM  
Hey, who's got a factory in the next town over (Ilian)? Remington Arms.
 
2013-03-13 09:08:56 PM  
Bbbbut New York is a gun-free zone. Nanny Bloomberg PROMISED!
 
2013-03-13 09:08:57 PM  

BGates: You mean all those draconian gun control laws didn't work?


Dear BGates, The right to bear arms is draconian, agreed. Sincerely, the rest of the unarmed world.
 
2013-03-13 09:09:03 PM  

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


according to this criteria. yes
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map

The shooter took the lives of at least four people. An FBI crime classification report identifies an individual as a mass murderer-versus a spree killer or a serial killer-if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location.
The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, both of which involved two shooters.)
The shootings occured in a public place. (Except in the case of a party in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included.
 
2013-03-13 09:09:36 PM  

vudukungfu: This is pretty farked up.

/Can't wait for summer when it heats up out there.


farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-03-13 09:09:51 PM  

Old enough to know better: Ah, just another brave sacrifice on the alter of Liberty, eh gun owners?


Another dumbass expecting the state to protect him. I'm sure the officer will be very sympathetic in his report if something bad happens to you.
 
2013-03-13 09:10:15 PM  

firefly212: MNguy: firefly212: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

He shot at least 12 people, does it not count as a mass shooting if only four die?

You have to draw the line somewhere.  I propose 10 dead and at least 25 wounded for qualification.

Jared Lee Loughner would be heartbroken.


Welp.  Sorry Jared.  Not every ball player can make it to the Hall of Fame.
 
2013-03-13 09:10:33 PM  

libranoelrose: lordargent: [ww4.hdnux.com image 628x407]

Haters gonna hate.

[i.imgur.com image 628x407]


My God... it's full of win.
 
2013-03-13 09:10:50 PM  
Peki:

Yup. These are the lessons we get to learn from the "FU got mine" generation (for clarity, I'm referring to Boomers). Young adults, especially males, who are looking into their future and not very optimistic, tend to make the future not so optimistic for everyone else.


My wife, who is this soft-spoken, touchy-feely Japanese national, walked in the door a few weeks ago and said to me, "You know, I understand now why some people in America go crazy and start shooting everyone. There's no way to talk to anyone in power anymore. You can't argue with them. You can't explain your situation to them."

She had just gotten a parking ticket on a meter that had expired less than three minutes before she got back to the car. She got there as the officer was writing the ticket, and was pleading with her not to give her the ticket, but she said the woman just ignored her. She has this complaint about bus drivers who won't answer questions about the route. She has this complaint about government officials who make the process of renewing her visa a massive headache.

At first I was like, "Well, you should make sure to get back to your car with plenty of time before the meter expires." But then I thought about it for a bit.

She's mostly right. As Americans we have all this freedom, but the minute you try to talk to anyone who isn't employed in the private sector, you just get stonewalled, or worse. I've somehow internalized all of the frustration I've felt at the post office, DMV, traffic stops, public transportation, and any other run-ins with "officials" and those employed by public agencies.

My wife lived in Vietnam for a number of years while doing business there. You can basically talk to any official and explain the circumstances of your situation, and they will at least listen to you, more often taking your circumstances into account. I've seen the same in Laos and Cambodia. Ironically, these are "non-free" countries.

I think she has a point. There's a desperation in this country that comes from living in a democratic system, but one in which individual voices are squelched and ignored, and everyone's circumstances have to be pushed into a cookie cutter so that they can be processed as efficiently as possible.

Too much words. Sorry.
 
2013-03-13 09:11:06 PM  
This is more like a spree killing.
 
2013-03-13 09:11:11 PM  
I really hope this well trained SWAT officer does not enocoonter the suspect and a gunfight ensues....his EOTech is mounted backwards.

You are not able to see the reticle looking through the EOTech from that direction...there is a 100% chance he has nver fired that rifle while looking through the scope....and if he hasn't fired that rifle with that scope on it it would not be zeroed and he has as much a chance as shooting some citizen crossing the street a half mile away as he does the suspect.


Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.
statepolitics.lohudblogs.com
 
2013-03-13 09:11:24 PM  

uttertosh: BGates: You mean all those draconian gun control laws didn't work?

Dear BGates, The right to bear arms is draconian, agreed. Sincerely, the rest of the unarmed world.


OH! Sorry... That's the joke dot jay peg, ahm ah rite?
 
2013-03-13 09:12:42 PM  

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


I was wondering the same thing.

4, really?
 
2013-03-13 09:13:51 PM  

Phony_Soldier: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

I was wondering the same thing.

4, really?


What's the official tally of dead and wounded that you need?
 
2013-03-13 09:14:01 PM  
Jeez, it would seem like the cops could just use one of these

i641.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-13 09:14:14 PM  
media.merchantcircle.com
 
2013-03-13 09:15:06 PM  

LesserEvil: Where have I seen this guy? Hmmmm.... I know!

(yes, welcome to fark and all that)


No militarization of the police there, no siree
 
2013-03-13 09:15:11 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Old enough to know better: Ah, just another brave sacrifice on the alter of Liberty, eh gun owners?

Another dumbass expecting the state to protect him. I'm sure the officer will be very sympathetic in his report if something bad happens to you.


So you're in favor of disbanding the U.S.'s standing military.

Good to know you are ready to repel the coming invasion by those bloody Welsh!
 
2013-03-13 09:16:08 PM  
Oh America... You silly farkers...
 
2013-03-13 09:17:25 PM  

Giltric: I really hope this well trained SWAT officer does not enocoonter the suspect and a gunfight ensues....his EOTech is mounted backwards.

You are not able to see the reticle looking through the EOTech from that direction...there is a 100% chance he has nver fired that rifle while looking through the scope....and if he hasn't fired that rifle with that scope on it it would not be zeroed and he has as much a chance as shooting some citizen crossing the street a half mile away as he does the suspect.


Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.
[statepolitics.lohudblogs.com image 300x225]


Yea, but he looks cool and in control, don't he?
 
2013-03-13 09:18:23 PM  

hardinparamedic: To avoid turning this into a debate in my head, my thoughts go out to the family and people involved in this shooting.


ftfy
 
2013-03-13 09:18:23 PM  

TerminalEchoes: firefly212: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

How is it not a problem because people get shot every day?

I mean, that seems really farked up that because we lose almost 20k people to gun violence (excluding suicde) every year that it somehow simply doesn't matter that 4 people are dead, six are in critical condition, and several others got transported with non-life threatening injuries. 4, 40, whatever... we're slowly flushing our future away with mindless violence.

Agreed. The problem isn't guns but rather a lack of general civility between Americans. Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.


That reminds me, I need to pick up a baseball bat.

/for the zombies, duh.
//no ammo
 
2013-03-13 09:18:53 PM  

Giltric: I really hope this well trained SWAT officer does not enocoonter the suspect and a gunfight ensues....his EOTech is mounted backwards.

You are not able to see the reticle looking through the EOTech from that direction...there is a 100% chance he has nver fired that rifle while looking through the scope....and if he hasn't fired that rifle with that scope on it it would not be zeroed and he has as much a chance as shooting some citizen crossing the street a half mile away as he does the suspect.


Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.
[statepolitics.lohudblogs.com image 300x225]



Its a style choice, like mounting iron sights backwards...

i209.photobucket.com

/facepalm
 
2013-03-13 09:19:09 PM  

Mrbogey: Giltric: I really hope this well trained SWAT officer does not enocoonter the suspect and a gunfight ensues....his EOTech is mounted backwards.

You are not able to see the reticle looking through the EOTech from that direction...there is a 100% chance he has nver fired that rifle while looking through the scope....and if he hasn't fired that rifle with that scope on it it would not be zeroed and he has as much a chance as shooting some citizen crossing the street a half mile away as he does the suspect.


Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.
[statepolitics.lohudblogs.com image 300x225]

Yea, but he looks cool and in control, don't he?


Like the farking Duke of New York. A-number-1
 
2013-03-13 09:20:09 PM  

Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.


Agents of the State are beyond criticism or reproach, teatard -- they are simply better than we are, that's why they can be trusted with AR-15s and we can't. I for one am grateful that our superiors have our best interests at heart.
 
2013-03-13 09:20:27 PM  
God bless these people and their friends and families who sacrificed so much for the Second Amendment.
 
2013-03-13 09:21:11 PM  

Sweaty Dynamite: Jeez, it would seem like the cops could just use one of these

[i641.photobucket.com image 400x266]


Thank you for this. It means that I didn't have to go look for my own pic of it.
 
2013-03-13 09:21:58 PM  
And we all know who the real winnersi.imgur.com are in any gun thread, don't we??
 
2013-03-13 09:22:14 PM  

lostcat: Peki:

Yup. These are the lessons we get to learn from the "FU got mine" generation (for clarity, I'm referring to Boomers). Young adults, especially males, who are looking into their future and not very optimistic, tend to make the future not so optimistic for everyone else.


My wife, who is this soft-spoken, touchy-feely Japanese national, walked in the door a few weeks ago and said to me, "You know, I understand now why some people in America go crazy and start shooting everyone. There's no way to talk to anyone in power anymore. You can't argue with them. You can't explain your situation to them."

She had just gotten a parking ticket on a meter that had expired less than three minutes before she got back to the car. She got there as the officer was writing the ticket, and was pleading with her not to give her the ticket, but she said the woman just ignored her. She has this complaint about bus drivers who won't answer questions about the route. She has this complaint about government officials who make the process of renewing her visa a massive headache.

At first I was like, "Well, you should make sure to get back to your car with plenty of time before the meter expires." But then I thought about it for a bit.

She's mostly right. As Americans we have all this freedom, but the minute you try to talk to anyone who isn't employed in the private sector, you just get stonewalled, or worse. I've somehow internalized all of the frustration I've felt at the post office, DMV, traffic stops, public transportation, and any other run-ins with "officials" and those employed by public agencies.

My wife lived in Vietnam for a number of years while doing business there. You can basically talk to any official and explain the circumstances of your situation, and they will at least listen to you, more often taking your circumstances into account. I've seen the same in Laos and Cambodia. Ironically, these are "non-free" countries.

I think she has a point. There's a desperatio ...


Nope, wasn't too long. My fiancé just paid a parking ticket that said "expired meter" in an area that has no meter because he knew it would pointless to fight it. Also, how can he fight it when he's working 60-70 hours week between school and his career? (He's a musician, so it's not like these are normal business hours either) I can't work because of mental health issues (PTSD + two sleep disorders), but trying to access any kind of social services is a nightmare because they want three letters from my employer stating how much I earned, when I worked, and when I quit. I worked for Bank of America through a temp agency: temp agency says I have to go to BofA, BofA says I have to go to the temp agency, and of course no one at the social services offices gives a damn about the argument between the temp agency and BofA. At this point I'm waiting for the location to close so I can go back to social services and say "Can't get you the paperwork you need because the company closed, sorry." We're so farking paranoid about the ONE guy getting food stamps who drives a BMW that the people who ACTUALLY need help but are in farked up situations CAN'T get help because the paperwork is so damned complicated. And then we wonder why there are so many homeless on the street, why so many mentally ill people are freaking out, why so many suicides. . . . .

Sorry for the rant, but this is sort of a personal issue for me. I don't understand why the people in power (whoever that actually is) haven't figured out that if you seriously depress the living situation of a large group of people, especially a majority of a country, violence will occur, and their power will do little to protect them from it (see Mubarak, etc.).
 
2013-03-13 09:22:35 PM  

2wolves: So you're in favor of disbanding the U.S.'s standing military.


As a matter of fact I am, sort of. I think we could disband the Air Force, Marines, Army, and Naval Surface Warfare fleets (carriers, etc). The Air's Force's ICBM units would be rolled into the Navy. That would give us our Strategic Nuclear Forces (ICBM, Subs/SLBMs) for the big boys, Special Forces/SEALS (for the tarrists), and Naval Intelligence as our sole military intelligence unit. I'm guessing roughly a 80% reduction in military spending, but that may be very conservative.

2wolves: Good to know you are ready to repel the coming invasion by those bloody Welsh!


Never turn your back on them!
 
2013-03-13 09:22:42 PM  

libranoelrose: lordargent: [ww4.hdnux.com image 628x407]

Haters gonna hate.

[i.imgur.com image 628x407]


Thanks.

//gun nut
 
2013-03-13 09:22:51 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.

Agents of the State are beyond criticism or reproach, teatard -- they are simply better than we are, that's why they can be trusted with AR-15s and we can't. I for one am grateful that our superiors have our best interests at heart.


Another one, proving that that people who most want guns are the mentally ill.
 
2013-03-13 09:22:54 PM  
I think we need to discuss the word "mass" when it comes to shooting. I mean technically it was in  a public area and there were lots of bullets BUT--------Only 2 people were killed. So really is that mass? In my opinion it is not.
 
2013-03-13 09:23:00 PM  
Folks who are against widespread high-capacity guns: "See - this has to stop. How can we address this?"
Folks who are for widespread high-capacity guns: "Shut up you baby asswipe pieces of shiat. You sound like an idiot."
 
2013-03-13 09:25:05 PM  
 
2013-03-13 09:25:13 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: But I was assured guns don't kill people.


Well they MIGHT if thrown just right by a very strong person and it hits them just right.
 
2013-03-13 09:25:21 PM  

Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.


So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!
 
2013-03-13 09:25:52 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: I think we need to discuss the word "mass" when it comes to shooting. I mean technically it was in  a public area and there were lots of bullets BUT--------Only 2 people were killed. So really is that mass? In my opinion it is not.


The opinion of someone who lives on socialized medicine but hates socialized medicine is probably not an opinion most people would take seriously.
 
2013-03-13 09:26:06 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: 2wolves: So you're in favor of disbanding the U.S.'s standing military.

As a matter of fact I am, sort of. I think we could disband the Air Force, Marines, Army, and Naval Surface Warfare fleets (carriers, etc). The Air's Force's ICBM units would be rolled into the Navy. That would give us our Strategic Nuclear Forces (ICBM, Subs/SLBMs) for the big boys, Special Forces/SEALS (for the tarrists), and Naval Intelligence as our sole military intelligence unit. I'm guessing roughly a 80% reduction in military spending, but that may be very conservative.


I'm not exactly a proponent of any kind of arms race, but at the same time if we scaled back that much, how long do you think it would be until some other country came for our natural resources? We still have a LOT compared to many nations...

That's always the first reason I invade in RTS's - need more stone/wood/etc...
 
2013-03-13 09:26:48 PM  

Zeno-25: Four people counts as a mass shooting these days? Talk about lowering the bar. Whatever you can attention whore to further your agenda, I guess.


That's twice as many as were killed by firearms in Japan in the entire year of 2006.
 
2013-03-13 09:27:01 PM  

Old enough to know better: Ah, just another brave sacrifice on the alter of Liberty, eh gun owners?


Yeah, whenever people are charged with vehicular homicide I feel real guilty for driving a car.
 
2013-03-13 09:27:56 PM  

Godscrack: Christian gun nuts celebrate another victory!


I live with my mom
 
2013-03-13 09:28:16 PM  

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


It was only a civilian who did it.  It's not like he was a trigger happy gang of pigs
 
2013-03-13 09:28:18 PM  
ww3.hdnux.com
I've seen him before...

Oh yeah!
5wordmoviereviews.files.wordpress.com
Dorothy brigade. Sharpshooter.
 
2013-03-13 09:28:23 PM  

Peki: TerminalEchoes: firefly212: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

How is it not a problem because people get shot every day?

I mean, that seems really farked up that because we lose almost 20k people to gun violence (excluding suicde) every year that it somehow simply doesn't matter that 4 people are dead, six are in critical condition, and several others got transported with non-life threatening injuries. 4, 40, whatever... we're slowly flushing our future away with mindless violence.

Agreed. The problem isn't guns but rather a lack of general civility between Americans. Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.

Yup. These are the lessons we get to learn from the "FU got mine" generation (for clarity, I'm referring to Boomers). Young adults, especially males, who are looking into their future and not very optimistic, tend to make the future not so optimistic for everyone else.


Wasn't this a sixty something year old shooter?
 
2013-03-13 09:29:17 PM  

jaytkay: Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.

So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!


My firearms are not allowed in the state of New York because I am not on the list of people with firearms to be confiscated at a later date.
 
2013-03-13 09:29:24 PM  
This wouldn't have happened if the victims each had an AK-47 and missile launcher.  (Am I doing that right, NRA?)

Zeno-25: Four people counts as a mass shooting these days? Talk about lowering the bar. Whatever you can attention whore to further your agenda, I guess.


That anyone is so desensitized as to dismiss four people as too few to count as a mass shooting indicates a serious problem.
 
2013-03-13 09:29:27 PM  
2 things.

1.Why is this in a San Francisco newspaper website?

2. FTA--The mayor described his village as close-knit and friendly, "the kind of place where you'd say, 'Oh, it would never happen here.'"

This IS scary, 'cos there are so, SO many small towns that describe themselves this way. I live in a burg of about 5000 and we fit that demo perfectly.
 
2013-03-13 09:29:33 PM  
Where does an economically depressed town get all this money for their law enforcement gear?
 
2013-03-13 09:29:47 PM  

ghare: Another one, proving that that people who most want guns are the mentally ill.


Anybody who wants any so-called "freedom" is mentally ill. What we really need is the freedom to let the State micromanage every aspect of our lives. Are you with me?
 
2013-03-13 09:30:12 PM  

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


Shame on you, even by trolling, by trying to minimize the wrongness of this. I get that it's Fark, and that it's the internets.
But shame on you anyway.

Somewhere I know there's someone who's lost a friend or family member because of this "freedom" paranoia. Their kid or dad or sister is dead because folks want to impede action by arguing about nomenclature or legalese or obscure historical points.

All that stuff falls away when you remember that there are not-quite-sane people out there who can't parse subtleties and can easily access high-powered deadly weapons. And kill someone that doesn't deserve it. (So that Farkers can post our own version of gallows humor)
 
2013-03-13 09:30:29 PM  

davidphogan: Peki: TerminalEchoes: firefly212: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

How is it not a problem because people get shot every day?

I mean, that seems really farked up that because we lose almost 20k people to gun violence (excluding suicde) every year that it somehow simply doesn't matter that 4 people are dead, six are in critical condition, and several others got transported with non-life threatening injuries. 4, 40, whatever... we're slowly flushing our future away with mindless violence.

Agreed. The problem isn't guns but rather a lack of general civility between Americans. Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.

Yup. These are the lessons we get to learn from the "FU got mine" generation (for clarity, I'm referring to Boomers). Young adults, especially males, who are looking into their future and not very optimistic, tend to make the future not so optimistic for everyone else.

Wasn't this a sixty something year old shooter?


This is a gun thread, dude. Everyone is just gonna talk about what they imagine to be true.
 
2013-03-13 09:30:50 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: But I was assured guns don't kill people.

Well they MIGHT if thrown just right by a very strong person and it hits them just right.


Pistol whip someone right behind the ear, that'll do it. Also you could probably kill someone by... never mind, I've said too much.
 
2013-03-13 09:31:28 PM  

Godscrack: Christian gun nuts celebrate another victory!


Most of the "gun nuts" I know have not been inside a church in years.  I never thought you'd be a troll.
 
2013-03-13 09:31:57 PM  

ladyfortuna: I'm not exactly a proponent of any kind of arms race, but at the same time if we scaled back that much, how long do you think it would be until some other country came for our natural resources? We still have a LOT compared to many nations...


We'd have the nukes - intercontinental ballistic missiles and the submarine launched missiles. There's no way any country is going to take us on at any kind of scale. Eisenhower talked extensively about this new state of of affairs (post nuclear weapons) both inside and out of his presidency. Military/industrial complex was just a part of it (the spending.) Our homeland will not be systematically attacked by any power capable of doing any real harm as long as we possess these weapons. I highly recommend reading him post-war - he just nails it - what we are spending now is just insane given the reality.
 
2013-03-13 09:32:29 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Old enough to know better: Ah, just another brave sacrifice on the alter of Liberty, eh gun owners?

Another dumbass expecting the state to protect him. I'm sure the officer will be very sympathetic in his report if something bad happens to you.


Watch out we got a badass here guys. He must be part of the well regulated militia we hear so much about.

Except the well regulated part, not that big on the regulations. But the tough talk and a lot of guns, he's ALL over that.
 
2013-03-13 09:33:01 PM  

Tillmaster: Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.


Please. Google the Tri Willow Nursery murders in 1979 in Rome NY. Stuff happens everywhere.
 
2013-03-13 09:34:05 PM  

Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.

So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!

My firearms are not allowed in the state of New York because I am not on the list of people with firearms to be confiscated at a later date.


Wow. You are fierce. I bet you get all the ladies with your knowledge of scopes and NY gun laws.
 
2013-03-13 09:34:07 PM  
DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?


www.fbastard.com
 
2013-03-13 09:34:11 PM  
boxster:   I call BS. New York State has the strictest gun laws in the state.

Maybe they need to reduce the magazine size limit even further.


In the state, hmm?


Hey, you never posted a mistake on Fark?  Okay, it's late in the day fehr crying out loud.
 
2013-03-13 09:34:26 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: ghare: Another one, proving that that people who most want guns are the mentally ill.

Anybody who wants any so-called "freedom" is mentally ill. What we really need is the freedom to let the State micromanage every aspect of our lives. Are you with me?


I read an article that said a dude pushed his girlfriend off a cliff. OK actually I just read the headline but still.

Sure it was only one person but one death is a tragedy. Many deaths is a statistic.
 
2013-03-13 09:34:43 PM  

Special ED209: [ww3.hdnux.com image 628x457]
I've seen him before...

Oh yeah!
[5wordmoviereviews.files.wordpress.com image 450x300]
Dorothy brigade. Sharpshooter.


DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?
 
2013-03-13 09:34:57 PM  

ladyfortuna: WhoopAssWayne: 2wolves: So you're in favor of disbanding the U.S.'s standing military.

As a matter of fact I am, sort of. I think we could disband the Air Force, Marines, Army, and Naval Surface Warfare fleets (carriers, etc). The Air's Force's ICBM units would be rolled into the Navy. That would give us our Strategic Nuclear Forces (ICBM, Subs/SLBMs) for the big boys, Special Forces/SEALS (for the tarrists), and Naval Intelligence as our sole military intelligence unit. I'm guessing roughly a 80% reduction in military spending, but that may be very conservative.

I'm not exactly a proponent of any kind of arms race, but at the same time if we scaled back that much, how long do you think it would be until some other country came for our natural resources? We still have a LOT compared to many nations...

That's always the first reason I invade in RTS's - need more stone/wood/etc...


The only country that has a decent chance of messing with us in a ground war on our turf is China, and that's just a pure numbers game. When we're spending more than almost ALL of the other countries IN THE WORLD combined??? Yeah, we can afford to cut. . . a lot. . .

Also, if you need to invade because you're short on resources, then how are you going to get the resources to finish the war? To reference another post on this thread, it's not like we're Poland and can be taken over in 16 days. Much better would be to do an economic war, which is what I suspect is actually going on right now. If you look at the housing market, first time buyers are NOT the ones snapping up land; it's foreign investors, usually Chinese and Japanese. They might just move everyone over, and then, surprise, we're a colony of China now.
 
2013-03-13 09:35:32 PM  

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


Eh, its more a function of style than success rate.

Did they fire randomly upon strangers or near strangers? mass shooting.
Did they soot some people who they personally had something against? not mass.
 
2013-03-13 09:35:35 PM  

Mazzic518: DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?


[www.fbastard.com image 628x457]


His patch and hat say 'police' and the crest on the hat is state police, so... [quizzicaldog.jpg]
 
2013-03-13 09:36:01 PM  

Mazzic518: DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?


[www.fbastard.com image 628x457]


gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net
 
2013-03-13 09:37:45 PM  

Freud's Cigar: Tillmaster: Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.

Please. Google the Tri Willow Nursery murders in 1979 in Rome NY. Stuff happens everywhere.


Before my time, as it happens, but I hear you.
 
2013-03-13 09:37:53 PM  
Only criminals should have background checks and be kept from having guns.. oh wait, what's that you say? He wasn't a criminal until AFTER he got the guns just like all the rest of the mass shooters?
 
2013-03-13 09:38:09 PM  
If my source is correct, between now and December 14th 2012 we've killed more people than all the real "Gun Fights" in the west.

Good jorb 'Murica

Citation-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_West_gunfights
 
2013-03-13 09:38:48 PM  

Marcintosh: If my source is correct, between now and December 14th 2012 we've killed more people than all the real "Gun Fights" in the west.

Good jorb 'Murica

Citation-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_West_gunfights


But what about per capita?!?!
 
2013-03-13 09:39:07 PM  
My thoughts and prayers go out to the doctors and first responders and near by wild-life and the guys that have to clean up all the blood and poop and to the manufacturers of the bullets and their families and friends and their parents and the folks who love them.
 
2013-03-13 09:39:23 PM  

Freud's Cigar: Tillmaster: Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.

Please. Google the Tri Willow Nursery murders in 1979 in Rome NY. Stuff happens everywhere.


Stuff like this that doesn't involve mass shootings happens all the time in central NY. Hell, we had some morons try to outrun some troopers and then pull off on a farm road and take potshots at them on the route I take to school. Last I heard they were getting some serious time for that, since it's a higher felony to attempt/kill law enforcement in NY... Been several other crazy things just since I moved here a few years ago.

/the boonies
//the white trash
///and the booze...
 
2013-03-13 09:40:08 PM  
News is reporting that there was an argument in the barber shop prior to the shooting......witnesses are claiming it went something like this


You must be out your goddamn mind! Joe Louis, the greatest boxer that ever lived.  I'll be with you boys in a minute. He was badder than Cassius Clay, he was badder than Sugar Ray, and that new boy-what's his name? Mike Tyson?-looks like a bulldog; he was badder than him, too.

Vait a minute. Vat about Rocky Marciano

Oh, there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin' 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out they ass. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano! Rocky Marciano! Let me tell you something, once and for all-Rocky Marciano was good; but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't shiat.

He beat Joe Louis' ass.

That's right, he did whoop Joe Louis' ass.

Joe Louis was 75 years old when they fought.

I don't know how old he was, but he got his ass whooped.

Joe Louis had come out of retirement to fight Rocky Marciano the minute he was 76 years old. Joe Louis was always lying about his age. He lied about his age all the time. One time Frank Sinatra came in here and sat in this chair. I said Frank 'you hang out with Joe Louis, just between me and you, how old is Joe Louis?' You know what Frank told me, he said "Hey, Joe Louis is 137 years old." A hundred and thirty-seven years old!

Oh. Man, you lying, you ain't never meet no Frank Sinatra.

Fark you, (gunsots) fark you,(gunshots) and fark you!(more gunshots) Who's next?!
 
2013-03-13 09:40:35 PM  

davidphogan: Peki: TerminalEchoes: firefly212: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

How is it not a problem because people get shot every day?

I mean, that seems really farked up that because we lose almost 20k people to gun violence (excluding suicde) every year that it somehow simply doesn't matter that 4 people are dead, six are in critical condition, and several others got transported with non-life threatening injuries. 4, 40, whatever... we're slowly flushing our future away with mindless violence.

Agreed. The problem isn't guns but rather a lack of general civility between Americans. Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.

Yup. These are the lessons we get to learn from the "FU got mine" generation (for clarity, I'm referring to Boomers). Young adults, especially males, who are looking into their future and not very optimistic, tend to make the future not so optimistic for everyone else.

Wasn't this a sixty something year old shooter?


My point can still stand. It's not like seniors are getting the better end of the stick these days. You mess with people, they will mess with you back.

/yes, made an assumption about the shooter's age, but not without cause. Wasn't the DC sniper older too (not the kid, the other one)?
 
2013-03-13 09:40:47 PM  

Tillmaster: Freud's Cigar: Tillmaster: Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.

Please. Google the Tri Willow Nursery murders in 1979 in Rome NY. Stuff happens everywhere.

Before my time, as it happens, but I hear you.


Google Rome, NY 1999. Yeah shiat happens.
 
2013-03-13 09:41:17 PM  
I thought all weapons with large magazines were illegal in new york.
 
2013-03-13 09:41:55 PM  

Giltric: News is reporting that there was an argument in the barber shop prior to the shooting......witnesses are claiming it went something like this


You must be out your goddamn mind! Joe Louis, the greatest boxer that ever lived.  I'll be with you boys in a minute. He was badder than Cassius Clay, he was badder than Sugar Ray, and that new boy-what's his name? Mike Tyson?-looks like a bulldog; he was badder than him, too.

Vait a minute. Vat about Rocky Marciano

Oh, there they go. There they go, every time I start talkin' 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out they ass. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano! Rocky Marciano! Let me tell you something, once and for all-Rocky Marciano was good; but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't shiat.

He beat Joe Louis' ass.

That's right, he did whoop Joe Louis' ass.

Joe Louis was 75 years old when they fought.

I don't know how old he was, but he got his ass whooped.

Joe Louis had come out of retirement to fight Rocky Marciano the minute he was 76 years old. Joe Louis was always lying about his age. He lied about his age all the time. One time Frank Sinatra came in here and sat in this chair. I said Frank 'you hang out with Joe Louis, just between me and you, how old is Joe Louis?' You know what Frank told me, he said "Hey, Joe Louis is 137 years old." A hundred and thirty-seven years old!

Oh. Man, you lying, you ain't never meet no Frank Sinatra.

Fark you, (gunsots) fark you,(gunshots) and fark you!(more gunshots) Who's next?!


justifiable homicide, clearly.
 
2013-03-13 09:42:23 PM  

jaytkay: Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.

So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!

My firearms are not allowed in the state of New York because I am not on the list of people with firearms to be confiscated at a later date.

Wow. You are fierce. I bet you get all the ladies with your knowledge of scopes and NY gun laws.



I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, KILLED MANY MEN and loved only one woman with a passion a FLEA like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. NOW, GO HOME, BOY!
 
2013-03-13 09:43:08 PM  

Peki: The only country that has a decent chance of messing with us in a ground war on our turf is China, and that's just a pure numbers game.


Part of the beauty of the reductions I proposed is that we could no longer face them in a numbers game / infantry battle. We would have no conventional forces - just the nuclear deterrent. It would protect our homeland and also prevent us from "getting into a land war in asia" or anywhere else.
 
2013-03-13 09:44:04 PM  

potterydove: I thought all weapons with large magazines were illegal in new york.


No, large magazines  aboutweapons were banned. 
img1.imagesbn.com
 
2013-03-13 09:44:29 PM  

willfullyobscure: And we all know who the real winners[i.imgur.com image 604x768] are in any gun thread, don't we??


Drew Curtis?
 
2013-03-13 09:44:32 PM  

Peki: We're so farking paranoid about the ONE guy getting food stamps who drives a BMW that the people who ACTUALLY need help but are in farked up situations CAN'T get help because the paperwork is so damned complicated.


Government agencies have a perverse level of risk aversion because the public will jump down their throats if someone who didn't deserve help gets their depraved hands on a handout. We don't forgive if the government screws up. We get angry and we demand hearings and investigations. We blame the agency, not the perpetrator of the fraud.
 
2013-03-13 09:44:48 PM  

js34603: Watch out we got a badass here guys. He must be part of the well regulated militia we hear so much about. Except the well regulated part, not that big on the regulations. But the tough talk and a lot of guns, he's ALL over that.


The government ought to have more and more and more guns (and bullets, of course) and the people ought to have fewer and fewer and fewer. This is because guns are inherently destructive, except in the hands of the government, in which case they become a valuable tool for enforcing the common good; and because people cannot be trusted to own guns responsibly, unless those same people manage to get a job with a government agency, in which case you can be assured they will only ever use their guns against you in your best interest. Simple really.
 
2013-03-13 09:45:06 PM  

ladyfortuna: Freud's Cigar: Tillmaster: Herkimer? I've spent some time in Utica a few years ago. It never occurred to me that something like this would happen in Central New York.

Please. Google the Tri Willow Nursery murders in 1979 in Rome NY. Stuff happens everywhere.

Stuff like this that doesn't involve mass shootings happens all the time in central NY. Hell, we had some morons try to outrun some troopers and then pull off on a farm road and take potshots at them on the route I take to school. Last I heard they were getting some serious time for that, since it's a higher felony to attempt/kill law enforcement in NY... Been several other crazy things just since I moved here a few years ago.

/the boonies
//the white trash
///and the booze...



 I used to live in that area, back in the day of the Tri Willow etc.

Sigh. No place is safe anymore. But if you are living in the Utica/Rome area, please leave. I hate to see any Farker that close to the Evil Vortex.
 
2013-03-13 09:45:14 PM  

Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.

So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!

My firearms are not allowed in the state of New York because I am not on the list of people with firearms to be confiscated at a later date.

Wow. You are fierce. I bet you get all the ladies with your knowledge of scopes and NY gun laws.


I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, KILLED MANY MEN and loved only one woman with a passion a FLEA like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. NOW, GO HOME, BOY!


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

/Twice in three days!
\\wait, slashies or backslashies?
 
2013-03-13 09:45:24 PM  

Marcintosh: If my source is correct, between now and December 14th 2012 we've killed more people than all the real "Gun Fights" in the west.

Good jorb 'Murica

Citation-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_West_gunfights

Princess Ryans Knickers: Only criminals should have background checks and be kept from having guns.. oh wait, what's that you say? He wasn't a criminal until AFTER he got the guns just like all the rest of the mass shooters?


OK, so a drunk driver only becomes a criminal AFTER he/she is caught.  Do we do some sort of DNA test to check for a predisposition to alcohol gene before we give him/her a license?  What if, they don't ever get that driver's license and go out and kill someone while drunk driving, or just mis-handling the car?

You're right, let's just ban all automobiles.

/because those bans on alcohol, cocaine and heroin made them all disappear, amiright?
 
2013-03-13 09:45:40 PM  
Clearly the cops should stop shooting guns at criminals and start throwing laws at them, the more laws, the less often this happens right?
 
2013-03-13 09:46:29 PM  

boxster: In the state, hmm


"Best fried chicken"
 
2013-03-13 09:47:00 PM  

Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: jaytkay: Giltric: Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.

So you're saying you ran down there with your AR-15 to defend the community?

Good job!

My firearms are not allowed in the state of New York because I am not on the list of people with firearms to be confiscated at a later date.

Wow. You are fierce. I bet you get all the ladies with your knowledge of scopes and NY gun laws.


I've fought in two World Wars and countless smaller ones on three continents. I led thousands of men into battle with everything from horses and swords to artillery and tanks. I've seen the headwaters of the Nile, and tribes of natives no white man had ever seen before. I've won and lost a dozen fortunes, KILLED MANY MEN and loved only one woman with a passion a FLEA like you could never begin to understand. That's who I am. NOW, GO HOME, BOY!


1/10
 
2013-03-13 09:47:24 PM  
Caps lock is an anagram and spoonerism for laps cock.  Which is ironic because anyone who uses caps lock inappropriately unrepentantly laps cock.
 
2013-03-13 09:47:26 PM  
This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.
 
2013-03-13 09:49:10 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: and the people ought to have fewer and fewer and fewer.


Actually right now the trend is for fewer and fewer people to stockpile more and more guns. Only something like 30% of the country actually own guns and the rate is like an average of 6 per owner.
 
2013-03-13 09:49:21 PM  

js34603: Except the well regulated part, not that big on the regulations. But the tough talk and a lot of guns, he's ALL over that.


I'd love to see it work the way Volunteer Fire Departments work in rural areas, which while being all-volunteer, are regulated in the since of a hierarchical structure, training, community support (including evil, evil taxes!), standards, qualifications, etc. As for me, I only have a shotgun and an antique rifle, the former of which was last fired 2 years ago when wifey found a nasty, mean snake in the garden!
 
2013-03-13 09:49:33 PM  

Caffandtranqs: the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it


Agreed.

So why is a bunch of derp about guns all that ever comes up when we talk about violence in this country?
 
2013-03-13 09:50:13 PM  

2wolves: tallen702: It's not like the counter was set high anyway. 2 days isn't a long time.... Oh wait... you didn't realize that 11 were shot in inner-city and predominately black DC two days ago? Link

America doesn't have a gun problem. America has a problem with white folk getting shot.

Come down to the rez. We'll protect you, you miserable piece of filth.


Oh, I'll be alright. MSP finally gave the "proceed" on my FAL receiver after 7 goddamned weeks. I figure between that and everything else in the main safe and the Mak in the biometric in the bedroom, I'm pretty well protected right here.
 
2013-03-13 09:50:58 PM  
I don't get why people think little "close knit" communities would be immune to this type of violence (as opposed to drug/gang violence which it really seems they should be immune to).

People in little rural communities are less progressive. They are less accepting of other ways of life. People who are ostracized or bullied become depressed. For example, the bullying of LGBT people has caused them to have a high suicide rate. Thanks, bullies.

More seriously: NO COMMUNITY IS IMMUNE TO MENTAL ILLNESS.
 
2013-03-13 09:51:24 PM  
America.  fark YEAH!
 
2013-03-13 09:51:26 PM  

Ned Stark: Caffandtranqs: the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it

Agreed.

So why is a bunch of derp about guns all that ever comes up when we talk about violence in this country?


Clap. Clap. Clap.
 
2013-03-13 09:51:41 PM  

Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.


Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.
 
2013-03-13 09:52:43 PM  
The problem with freedom, is that some people make poor choices with their freedom.    S
 
2013-03-13 09:53:31 PM  

Giltric: Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.

Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.


Lol bootstraps is pretty much all your 'personal responsibility" garbage deserves.
 
2013-03-13 09:54:25 PM  
If the average American slips on some ice or dumps their coffee in their lap, they're suing someone, but they expect to be given the responsibility of owning a firearm without question.
 
2013-03-13 09:55:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: EvilRacistNaziFascist: and the people ought to have fewer and fewer and fewer.

Actually right now the trend is for fewer and fewer people to stockpile more and more guns. Only something like 30% of the country actually own guns and the rate is like an average of 6 per owner.


Over 2 million background checks per month in the last three months. If you buy multiple firearms at a time you get one background check...and out of that over 2 million background checks per month number the FBI claims a conservative 25% as first time buyers. Other groups rate it at higher than 40% being first time buyers....so at least over 1 million brand new, first time firearms owners in the last 3 months.
 
2013-03-13 09:57:18 PM  

Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.


If this is true, what bearing does it have on gun owners in those parts of the First World where there is relatively little economic disparity, and where a high rate of gun ownership can easily co-exist with a low rate of crime?

/P.S. the meaningless monosyllable "derp" is not an argument for or against anything
 
2013-03-13 09:57:39 PM  

Ned Stark: Giltric: Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.

Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.

Lol bootstraps is pretty much all your 'personal responsibility" garbage deserves.



So you think this killers firearms should be smelted into ingots and he should be let go? It is the guns fault not his?
 
2013-03-13 09:58:07 PM  
The first Fark submissions on this were at around noon, and it took this long to greenlight one?

The situation is still going on by the way. They still don't have the guy in custody.

tulolb-744392546.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com
Kurt Myers.

Wow, Fark is  chock full of fail today.
I guess he didn't have a funny enough hat.

Here is a link to the local news coverage.
http://www.9wsyr.com/content/news/breakingnews/Man-suspected-in-fire -4 -shooting-deaths-in/qzeUmKZusEquHSQ8BhkaYQ.cspx
 
2013-03-13 09:58:16 PM  

spidermilk: I don't get why people think little "close knit" communities would be immune to this type of violence (as opposed to drug/gang violence which it really seems they should be immune to).

People in little rural communities are less progressive. They are less accepting of other ways of life. People who are ostracized or bullied become depressed. For example, the bullying of LGBT people has caused them to have a high suicide rate. Thanks, bullies.

More seriously: NO COMMUNITY IS IMMUNE TO MENTAL ILLNESS.


How uncultured and stereotypical of you. "Rural communities are less progressive" really? Is that why the majority of hate crimes occur in cities? "less accepting of other ways of life" nah we accept other ways of life, we just realize that OUR way of life is just fine also. Since it is OUR neighborhoods and OUR counties, maybe others should make an effort to conform.

"For example, the bullying of LGBT people has caused them to have a high suicide rate"

Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed, being as how nature itself rules that breeding should be the prime motive of a creature, human or other wise, and LGBT are unable to do so. Or maybe its the fact that trans people live at odds with themselves..but I guess its easy to blame everyone but the person who ultimately kills themselves. That would be politically uncorrect, and we cant have that.
 
2013-03-13 09:58:30 PM  
Oh well. Flip the calendar cards back to 0, fellas.
 
2013-03-13 09:59:30 PM  

Giltric: Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.


Can anyone translate this into English for me?
 
2013-03-13 09:59:49 PM  

Giltric: I really hope this well trained SWAT officer does not enocoonter the suspect and a gunfight ensues....his EOTech is mounted backwards.

You are not able to see the reticle looking through the EOTech from that direction...there is a 100% chance he has nver fired that rifle while looking through the scope....and if he hasn't fired that rifle with that scope on it it would not be zeroed and he has as much a chance as shooting some citizen crossing the street a half mile away as he does the suspect.


Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.
[statepolitics.lohudblogs.com image 300x225]


http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

/better believe it's obligatory
 
2013-03-13 10:00:00 PM  

Giltric: Ned Stark: Giltric: Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.

Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.

Lol bootstraps is pretty much all your 'personal responsibility" garbage deserves.


So you think this killers firearms should be smelted into ingots and he should be let go? It is the guns fault not his?


Yep. It's not like Ive spent a couple of dozen threads sticking up for gun rights or anything.
 
2013-03-13 10:00:53 PM  

Ned Stark: Caffandtranqs: the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it

Agreed.

So why is a bunch of derp about guns all that ever comes up when we talk about violence in this country?


Because we are a violent people.  We have been starting fights with people all over the world that has not wanted to give up their lunch money.  We are mean to each other.  We kill each other.  Our behavior speaks of our culture.  Entertainment in all forms is merely a mirror of this.  Just stating what I think.
 
2013-03-13 10:01:00 PM  

gilgamesh23: Peki: We're so farking paranoid about the ONE guy getting food stamps who drives a BMW that the people who ACTUALLY need help but are in farked up situations CAN'T get help because the paperwork is so damned complicated.

Government agencies have a perverse level of risk aversion because the public will jump down their throats if someone who didn't deserve help gets their depraved hands on a handout. We don't forgive if the government screws up. We get angry and we demand hearings and investigations. We blame the agency, not the perpetrator of the fraud.


Yup. Best part is when the fraud doesn't even exist (see voter fraud). I've been to several social services offices and have yet to see the guy in the BMW that the right-wingers claim are so prevalent. Maybe it was like that in the 90s, but a good portion of the people I see trying to get help can't even read the 11 pages of forms they want you to fill out, let alone have any kind of ID, etc. Hell, I HAVE almost all of those things, can read and write, even have two college degrees in different fields, and I *still* can't get help.

We blame the government and the people who are legitimately on the dole, not the perpetrator of the fraud or the people who made the decisions that farked the country so badly that made more people needed to go on the dole.
 
2013-03-13 10:02:02 PM  

Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: EvilRacistNaziFascist: and the people ought to have fewer and fewer and fewer.

Actually right now the trend is for fewer and fewer people to stockpile more and more guns. Only something like 30% of the country actually own guns and the rate is like an average of 6 per owner.

Over 2 million background checks per month in the last three months. If you buy multiple firearms at a time you get one background check...and out of that over 2 million background checks per month number the FBI claims a conservative 25% as first time buyers. Other groups rate it at higher than 40% being first time buyers....so at least over 1 million brand new, first time firearms owners in the last 3 months.


And? that's less than .03% of the current US population.
 
2013-03-13 10:02:28 PM  

whatshisname: If the average American slips on some ice or dumps their coffee in their lap, they're suing someone, but they expect to be given the responsibility of owning a firearm without question.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-13 10:03:39 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Ned Stark: Caffandtranqs: the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it

Agreed.

So why is a bunch of derp about guns all that ever comes up when we talk about violence in this country?

Because we are a violent people.  We have been starting fights with people all over the world that has not wanted to give up their lunch money.  We are mean to each other.  We kill each other.  Our behavior speaks of our culture.  Entertainment in all forms is merely a mirror of this.  Just stating what I think.


Seems like some pretty smart things to think.
 
2013-03-13 10:03:49 PM  

Ned Stark: Giltric: Ned Stark: Giltric: Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.

Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.

Lol bootstraps is pretty much all your 'personal responsibility" garbage deserves.


So you think this killers firearms should be smelted into ingots and he should be let go? It is the guns fault not his?

Yep. It's not like Ive spent a couple of dozen threads sticking up for gun rights or anything.



I try not to color code people. I want every post to be fresh and not have a bias towards a poister based on things they have said in the past.

What sort of sticking up for rights have you done? Any compromises? Limits on ownership or magazine capacities? Are things good the way they are?
 
2013-03-13 10:04:18 PM  
I have a question,  Giltric:do you support universal background checks? Are you a member of the NRA? If so, why?
 
2013-03-13 10:04:36 PM  

taxandspend: lostcat: Peki:


I think she has a point. There's a d ...


Funny, I get the same treatment when trying to talk to:

Airline Employees
Time Warner Customer Service
Best Buy Sales People
Apple Computers when my Protection Plan is near expiration
Bank of America


Yes, it's true there are rude people in customer service. At least in most of those cases I have the option of moving my business to a competitor.

I also think that this bad customer service is the result of what they can get away with because we've all come to expect bad service. Then when we get good service we're blown away. I could tell you amazing stories about consistently good service from ANA (All Nippon Airways), Vietnam Air and NOK (Thai airline) agents who have bent over backwards to help me.

Once, when flying ANA to Vietnam, I realized as I checked in that my return ticket was AFTER the expiration of my Vietnam visa. The ANA agent actually booked me on an earlier flight back, and then told me that she would ensure my original seat was held, so as soon as I got past Vietnamese border control I could call and cancel the return flight and go back to my original flight. It worked without a hitch. I can guarantee you that if I'd been on United that day I would not have flown.
 
2013-03-13 10:04:48 PM  

dmax: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Shame on you, even by trolling, by trying to minimize the wrongness of this. I get that it's Fark, and that it's the internets.
But shame on you anyway.

Somewhere I know there's someone who's lost a friend or family member because of this "freedom" paranoia. Their kid or dad or sister is dead because folks want to impede action by arguing about nomenclature or legalese or obscure historical points.

All that stuff falls away when you remember that there are not-quite-sane people out there who can't parse subtleties and can easily access high-powered deadly weapons. And kill someone that doesn't deserve it. (So that Farkers can post our own version of gallows humor)


True - but if you look at the statistics, you can see that America's love affair with the gun is waning. The percentage of Americans who own guns and households that have them is dwindling year by year.
Statistically, it's safer to live in this country than it has ever been. And I am not really that worried about people having guns, or even thinking that guns can protect their freedoms.
What worries me is that a lot of people assume that guns (which may confer some ability to resist physical force) CAN protect our freedoms in today's worlds. It makes the assumption that when and if our freedoms are taken, it will be by physical force.
I have a mental image of a person, and I have no doubt that he exists. He sits in his house, secure with his closet full of guns. His television is tuned to American Idol. He sits there, soaking up whatever the people with real power want to feed him, while blunting his mind with Bud Light and prescription drugs. Tomorrow, he will rise and go to the soul-killing job he hates, while the AM radio shock jock bludgeons his mind with yet more nonsense. He grinds his way through his empty day, killing his own soul while he enriches his masters.
And then, he goes home and repeats the cycle. Day after day, month after month, year after year. Every so often, he goes to the polls and elects some empty suit that the same TV that rots his mind daily tells him to.
And someday, inevitably, without anyone ever forcibly "taking" it - all his freedom, manhood, and reason for living is gone - and his guns still sit moldering in the closet, unused, because there was never anybody to use them on.
Smart crooks don't do violent crime - they become con artists. Why would anybody use force to take from his victim what that victim can be tricked into relinquishing without a fight? And tyrants are just another type of criminal - the smart ones don't use force, and no gun will ever stop them.
So - keep your guns. They, and you, are no threat to me. But as for your freedoms - you'd better guard them closely, and don't assume that when they are taken that it will be by some guy in jackboots kicking in your front door. As Yeats so depressingly pointed out, not all worlds end with bangs - sometimes, they end in whimpers.
 
2013-03-13 10:05:57 PM  

atomicmask: Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed,


Going against a gay person's nature to act straight? That would surely cause depression.

Depression because being gay is against nature? (when there are over 14,000 species that have documented occurrences of homosexual encounters, and only one that practices homophobia?) Nope.

I'm bi. The only time I have ever been "depressed" was a) when I couldn't figure wtf I was because the only words batted around at the time were gay and straight, and I knew I wasn't either, and b) whenever I've had discrimination because of who I am (not just because I'm bi, but because of other things about me too).

If you're straight, try practicing a homosexual lifestyle. You'll find out just how much against our nature it is for us to "just act straight." Now, go sit in the corner until you can learn to behave like a decent human being.
 
2013-03-13 10:06:52 PM  

spidermilk: the bullying of LGBT people has caused them to have a high suicide rate.


I think that's got a something to do with it, but correlation and causation... Link
 
2013-03-13 10:07:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I have a question,  Giltric:do you support universal background checks? Are you a member of the NRA? If so, why?


Do you support background checks for violent video games? And did you really attend and graduate from Duke, given your username, or are you just posing?
 
2013-03-13 10:08:18 PM  

Giltric: Ned Stark: Giltric: Ned Stark: Giltric: Caffandtranqs: This is what you see on the net, "When guns are illegal only criminals have guns."  Then they point to Mexico, but not England or France.  They point to impoverished countries where the real problem is poverty and people killing each other to get out of it.  You never see, "People living under great disparities in economic disposition only own guns."  That's because gun nuts do not seem to connect those little dots. Too much derp in that.

Actually the gun nuts recognize it and say "hey, we've been giving them fish for decades now, and the problem is only getting worse. How about we try something new and teach them how to fish and see if that works" And then the people in support of modern slavery...ie generational welfare, vote for us, we will help you, honest injun, claim "LOL bootstraps" and nothing is ever done.

Lol bootstraps is pretty much all your 'personal responsibility" garbage deserves.


So you think this killers firearms should be smelted into ingots and he should be let go? It is the guns fault not his?

Yep. It's not like Ive spent a couple of dozen threads sticking up for gun rights or anything.


I try not to color code people. I want every post to be fresh and not have a bias towards a poister based on things they have said in the past.

What sort of sticking up for rights have you done? Any compromises? Limits on ownership or magazine capacities? Are things good the way they are?


I think universal background checks are an alright idea. I think magazine limits are dumb but give little enough of a shiat that if I were the big burrito in congress I would be willing to trade it for something good. I flatly oppose further bans of types of firearms.
 
2013-03-13 10:11:05 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I have a question, Giltric:do you support universal background checks? Are you a member of the NRA? If so, why?


"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the NRA?"
 
2013-03-13 10:11:27 PM  

Peki: atomicmask: Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed,

Going against a gay person's nature to act straight? That would surely cause depression.

Depression because being gay is against nature? (when there are over 14,000 species that have documented occurrences of homosexual encounters, and only one that practices homophobia?) Nope.

I'm bi. The only time I have ever been "depressed" was a) when I couldn't figure wtf I was because the only words batted around at the time were gay and straight, and I knew I wasn't either, and b) whenever I've had discrimination because of who I am (not just because I'm bi, but because of other things about me too).

If you're straight, try practicing a homosexual lifestyle. You'll find out just how much against our nature it is for us to "just act straight." Now, go sit in the corner until you can learn to behave like a decent human being.


Only one that pratices homophobia? Are you implying that you 100% understand the nature of animal aggression and its motives? Chimps have violent fights, they have wars, in fact, they turn on their own sometimes without being provoked. You can not state for a fact that humans are the only ones that practice "homophobia" Yes, depression because a gay acts strait is another example of acting against your nature, but acting against NATURE in general is denying your drive to breed. Some are not born with that drive, I am not stating that a lack of drive or homosexuality is not another facet of nature, but the law of nature is simple, you need food, water shelter, socialization, and a drive to breed. it is the core of all living things. If you are somehow wired to not breed, it can be classified as a defect, and should be. Acknowledgement of this does not make someone a bully, it is a truth. If someone can come to grips with themselves on this issue fine and good, I hope that most can, but lets not say "BULLYING IS THE REASON' when in fact it could be nothing more then a realization of the above, that homosexuality can be viewed as a genetic defect that goes against the rules of survival and nature.
 
2013-03-13 10:11:40 PM  

spidermilk: People in little rural communities are less progressive. They are less accepting of other ways of life. People who are ostracized or bullied become depressed. For example, the bullying of LGBT people has caused them to have a high suicide rate. Thanks, bullies.


Hmm, I've lived in a little rural community for 15 years and I've never heard of anyone locally killing themselves for any reason, let alone because of anti- LGBTQQ2SOMGWTF bullying. It must be because Billy-Joe-Bob-Cletus and his sister-wife hid all the bodies (before celebrating with a hoedown over a jug of moonshine, of course).
 
2013-03-13 10:14:20 PM  
libranoelrose: Haters gonna hate.

I just got home, couldn't have done a better job myself :D
 
2013-03-13 10:14:42 PM  
Herkimer, huh?  Seems appropriate.  Not the first mass killing associated with the name...

www.schenectadyhistory.org


// cheap shot, I know...
 
2013-03-13 10:14:48 PM  

ladyfortuna: Mazzic518: DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?


[www.fbastard.com image 628x457]

His patch and hat say 'police' and the crest on the hat is state police, so... [quizzicaldog.jpg]


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-13 10:15:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I have a question,  Giltric:do you support universal background checks? Are you a member of the NRA? If so, why?


No i do not support universal background checks in its current potential form because it is linked to mandatory registration. The Schumer UBC bill also makes it a felony for me to go on a business trip while leaving my firearms at home with my wife even if they are in a safe. I am currently a meber of the NRA. I let my membership lapse years ago but became a member again in January because they are the most capable group with the deepest pockets when it comes to 2nd amendment issues and democrats started pushing the gun control agenda again.
 
2013-03-13 10:16:34 PM  

SpdrJay: If everyone wore a personal force shield, this wouldn't be an issue.


Until some jerk invents lasguns. Then we're all doomed.
 
2013-03-13 10:17:52 PM  

Flash_NYC: Marcintosh: If my source is correct, between now and December 14th 2012 we've killed more people than all the real "Gun Fights" in the west.

Good jorb 'Murica

Citation-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_West_gunfights
Princess Ryans Knickers: Only criminals should have background checks and be kept from having guns.. oh wait, what's that you say? He wasn't a criminal until AFTER he got the guns just like all the rest of the mass shooters?

OK, so a drunk driver only becomes a criminal AFTER he/she is caught.  Do we do some sort of DNA test to check for a predisposition to alcohol gene before we give him/her a license?  What if, they don't ever get that driver's license and go out and kill someone while drunk driving, or just mis-handling the car?

You're right, let's just ban all automobiles.

/because those bans on alcohol, cocaine and heroin made them all disappear, amiright?


So, Strawman much?
 
2013-03-13 10:18:42 PM  

Peki: atomicmask: Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed,

Going against a gay person's nature to act straight? That would surely cause depression.

Depression because being gay is against nature? (when there are over 14,000 species that have documented occurrences of homosexual encounters, and only one that practices homophobia?) Nope.

I'm bi. The only time I have ever been "depressed" was a) when I couldn't figure wtf I was because the only words batted around at the time were gay and straight, and I knew I wasn't either, and b) whenever I've had discrimination because of who I am (not just because I'm bi, but because of other things about me too).

If you're straight, try practicing a homosexual lifestyle. You'll find out just how much against our nature it is for us to "just act straight." Now, go sit in the corner until you can learn to behave like a decent human being.


Um, 14,000?  Or is it more like 1500 have been observed and it's been well documented for 500?
 
2013-03-13 10:19:24 PM  

lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?


Because people get shot every day. That shouldn't be happening. It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it, goddammit.
 
2013-03-13 10:20:30 PM  

Giltric: No i do not support universal background checks in its current potential form because it is linked to mandatory registration. The Schumer UBC bill also makes it a felony for me to go on a business trip while leaving my firearms at home with my wife even if they are in a safe.


Holy cow, I didn't realize that.  That is crazy.
 
2013-03-13 10:20:31 PM  

Mrbogey: cameroncrazy1984: I have a question, Giltric:do you support universal background checks? Are you a member of the NRA? If so, why?

"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the NRA?"



Yep...one of the stages of the 8 stages of genocide.

http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/8stagesofgenocide.html
 
2013-03-13 10:21:22 PM  

LoneWolf343: It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it,


YES IT WOULD.

Your "doing something" wouldn't stop the violence. You're focusing on the effects, not the cause. Come back with something that targets the source of the problem and is based on facts not emotions and smart people will agree with you.
 
2013-03-13 10:21:39 PM  

LoneWolf343: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

Because people get shot every day. That shouldn't be happening. It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it, goddammit.


It shouldn't? What makes this particular cause of death any worse or better then any others? Death by auto accident has a far higher body count. Death by chainsaw more gory. Death by fall is far easier and no way to regulate it. What makes guns the crusade you are so willing to go on?
 
2013-03-13 10:21:52 PM  
old man they say opened fire at a car wash and a barbershop Wednesday morning, killing four people and wounding at least two.

Maybe the old line "Shave and a haircut, 2 bits" finally got to him.
 
2013-03-13 10:24:54 PM  

LoneWolf343: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

Because people get shot every day. That shouldn't be happening. It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it, goddammit.


what exactly would you do to prevent people from killing each other?

make it illegal?
or how about a commandment or something like that?
 
2013-03-13 10:27:13 PM  

LoneWolf343: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

Because people get shot every day. That shouldn't be happening. It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it, goddammit.


you do know that gun murders are at it's lowest point since 1981, right?  About half as many now as then.
 
2013-03-13 10:27:57 PM  

atomicmask: What makes guns the crusade you are so willing to go on?


Emotion. Guns are "scary"


The anti gun people are the ones who bring the 20 oz can of bear mace camping and three different battery powered LED headlamps in case you have to hike out at night, but forget to bring a sleeping bag and a backup lighter.
 
2013-03-13 10:28:23 PM  

Giltric: I really hope this well trained SWAT officer does not enocoonter the suspect and a gunfight ensues....his EOTech is mounted backwards.

You are not able to see the reticle looking through the EOTech from that direction...there is a 100% chance he has nver fired that rifle while looking through the scope....and if he hasn't fired that rifle with that scope on it it would not be zeroed and he has as much a chance as shooting some citizen crossing the street a half mile away as he does the suspect.


Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.
[statepolitics.lohudblogs.com image 300x225]


I thought you were kidding, but sure enough it's on backwards.  I think it's from the XPS line.

i184.photobucket.com

i184.photobucket.com

Picked them up here.
 
2013-03-13 10:29:19 PM  

jaytkay: TerminalEchoes: Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.

Exactly. Guns aren't more dangerous than any other object.

That's why the Marines gave up firearms years ago. They now carry golf clubs. It's saved the taxpayer millions.


That's ridiculous! No, after extensive study, they opted for bath tubs. Cars were a close second.
 
2013-03-13 10:30:34 PM  
jso2897:
True - but if you look at the statistics, you can see that America's love affair with the gun is waning. The percentage of Americans who own guns and households that have them is dwindling year by year.
Statistically, it's safer to live in this country than it has ever been. And I am not really that worried about people having guns, or even thinking that guns can protect their freedoms.
What worries me is that a lot of people assume that guns (which may confer some ability to resist physical force) CAN protect our freedoms in today's worlds. It makes the assumption that when and if our freedoms are taken, it will be by physical force.

The "dwindling households with guns" one always makes me chuckle a bit. Firearms sales are at all time highs (in MD, there were 50,000 background checks performed by the MSP the entirety of last year, there were more than that in the first two months of this year alone. Given that MD law says you can only buy so many "restricted" firearms in a given time period, those 50,000 firearms are more than likely going to nearly 50,000 people. And that's just for handguns and "assault weapons" not shotguns or non-baby-seeking evil black rifles.

Most gun owners are loath to divulge that they own guns to strangers who have either:
A) Mailed them a questionnaire and thus know their physical address.
or
B) Called them on the phone, again thus knowing their location and physical address thanks to whoever prints the phone books these days.
or
C) Physically showed up at their property to ask them in person.

If someone from Gallup were to come to my front door tomorrow and ask me if I owned firearms, my answer wouldn't be "Why yes, I do!" It'd be a blatant "Nope, never have, never will" lie. The Gov't has tried to put us on lists for years and years and years, and firearms owners have fought tooth and nail to prevent any kind of national registry because no good can come of it. Do you  really think we're going to tell someone who knows where we live that we have guns?

I'd be willing to bet that the real number is that over 50% of the nation's homes have firearms in them where not prohibited by law, and that the number would really be even higher than that if you included all the illegally owned firearms by gangbangers and ex felons who bought them off the street.

As for protecting our freedoms. Yes, a lot of people wind up in the doldrums of life, but not everyone. Just look at the thousands of people who showed up to protest MD's proposed bans. They took time off of work, time away from their families, etc to turn out on a work day to stand up for their freedoms. If it had been a non-work day, you'd have seen many times more.

I know it's anecdotal, but all of my gun-owning friends spend more time doing things with their families, getting out and about on the weekends, and enjoying their lives than most of my non-gun-owning friends.
 
2013-03-13 10:31:07 PM  
Has anyone responded to the point that NYC has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, yet they failed to prevent this incident nonetheless?
 
2013-03-13 10:31:57 PM  

jso2897: So - keep your guns. They, and you, are no threat to me.


That's great, but could you write to Sen. Feinstein to let her know that? Thanks.

But as for your freedoms - you'd better guard them closely, and don't assume that when they are taken that it will be by some guy in jackboots kicking in your front door. As Yeats so depressingly pointed out, not all worlds end with bangs - sometimes, they end in whimpers.

I don't disagree that western civilization is going down the sh*tter in large part due to the stupefied apathy of the citizenry. Guns are for free men, but how free are we when we let State agencies dictate what kinds of lightbulbs we can use or what kinds of cheeses we can eat, when online companies are gathering our data freely and sharing it with the government, or when we censor ourselves from speaking plainly in everyday conversation because we are worried that someone might be offended and we might be reprimanded, fired or even prosecuted? How free are we when our traditional deference towards the police and the military has mutated into a cringing servility towards all forms of authority, no matter how they treat us? But no matter, there is always something on TV to watch and some food to stuff our faces with -- until one day there won't be, of course, and we'll wonder what the hell happened while we were choosing not to notice.
 
2013-03-13 10:32:29 PM  

FilmBELOH20: Peki: atomicmask: Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed,

Going against a gay person's nature to act straight? That would surely cause depression.

Depression because being gay is against nature? (when there are over 14,000 species that have documented occurrences of homosexual encounters, and only one that practices homophobia?) Nope.

I'm bi. The only time I have ever been "depressed" was a) when I couldn't figure wtf I was because the only words batted around at the time were gay and straight, and I knew I wasn't either, and b) whenever I've had discrimination because of who I am (not just because I'm bi, but because of other things about me too).

If you're straight, try practicing a homosexual lifestyle. You'll find out just how much against our nature it is for us to "just act straight." Now, go sit in the corner until you can learn to behave like a decent human being.

Um, 14,000?  Or is it more like 1500 have been observed and it's been well documented for 500?


Bah! I remember the comma in the wrong place (I'm not perfect, and I've already made one error on this thread, so I guess a trifecta's in play).

atomicmask: If you are somehow wired to not breed, it can be classified as a defect, and should be.


So what? Just because someone's not wired like 90% of the rest of population they should be treated as defective? So, people who are left-handed are defective? People who are asexual are "defective"? People who are black/white/red/yellow are now defective because their skin tone doesn't match the majority of the people around them? How about, it's not a defect, just another variation of HUMAN that you haven't accounted for.

The idea that there are ONLY two sexes / ONLY two genders flies in the face of even human history, let alone evolutionary. Being LGBT is NOT a defect; the defect is in those who think it's a justification to discriminate.

And what dafuq are you doing making this an LGBT issue on a gun-control issue??? (and yes, bad on me for rising to it, but ffs) Are you about to suggest that gay people shouldn't own guns because they're defective?
 
2013-03-13 10:32:38 PM  

jso2897: What worries me is that a lot of people assume that guns (which may confer some ability to resist physical force) CAN protect our freedoms in today's worlds. It makes the assumption that when and if our freedoms are taken, it will be by physical force.
I have a mental image of a person, and I have no doubt that he exists. He sits in his house, secure with his closet full of guns. His television is tuned to American Idol. He sits there, soaking up whatever the people with real power want to feed him, while blunting his mind with Bud Light and prescription drugs. Tomorrow, he will rise and go to the soul-killing job he hates, while the AM radio shock jock bludgeons his mind with yet more nonsense. He grinds his way through his empty day, killing his own soul while he enriches his masters.
And then, he goes home and repeats the cycle. Day after day, month after month, year after year. Every so often, he goes to the polls and elects some empty suit that the same TV that rots his mind daily tells him to.
And someday, inevitably, without anyone ever forcibly "taking" it - all his freedom, manhood, and reason for living is gone - and his guns still sit moldering in the closet, unused, because there was never anybody to use them on.
Smart crooks don't do violent crime - they become con artists. Why would anybody use force to take from his victim what that victim can be tricked into relinquishing without a fight? And tyrants are just another type of criminal - the smart ones don't use force, and no gun will ever stop them.
So - keep your guns. They, and you, are no threat to me. But as for your freedoms - you'd better guard them closely, and don't assume that when they are taken that it will be by some guy in jackboots kicking in your front door. As Yeats so depressingly pointed out, not all worlds end with bangs - sometimes, they end in whimpers.


Worthy of repeating.
 
2013-03-13 10:32:47 PM  

LoneWolf343: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

Because people get shot every day. That shouldn't be happening. It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it, goddammit.


SARCASM

Try reading it again as if I were someone who thinks tjat guns in the hands over anyone who can afford them is not a brilliant idea.
 
2013-03-13 10:34:24 PM  

GoldSpider: Has anyone responded to the point that NYC has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, yet they failed to prevent this incident nonetheless?


Because it didn't happen in NYC?
 
2013-03-13 10:34:49 PM  

js34603: tallen702: It's not like the counter was set high anyway. 2 days isn't a long time.... Oh wait... you didn't realize that 11 were shot in inner-city and predominately black DC two days ago? Link

America doesn't have a gun problem. America has a problem with white folk getting shot.

Obviously Americans don't care about that shooting. If they did it would have been covered in a national newspaper that reported daily events.

/they'd probably call it The U.S. Today or something like that


USA Today isn't broadcasted nationally. Did Fox News have a "Breaking News" alert with that unique ping sound they use? (Maybe, during the report as the reporter is talking the lower thirds has the caption saying, "DRIVE BY SHOOTING IN WASHINGTON DC AT NEW YORK AVENUE, EVERYBODY BETTER FARKING DUCK!")
 
2013-03-13 10:36:03 PM  

atomicmask: LoneWolf343: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

Because people get shot every day. That shouldn't be happening. It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it, goddammit.

It shouldn't? What makes this particular cause of death any worse or better then any others? Death by auto accident has a far higher body count. Death by chainsaw more gory. Death by fall is far easier and no way to regulate it. What makes guns the crusade you are so willing to go on?


What's the ratio of homicide by vehicle to accidental deaths in vehicle accidents?  What's the ratio for gun deaths, accidental vs intentional?

If you're going to use that ridiculous argument, at least make the comparison relevant.  Compare the rate of people killed intentionally by cars and killed intentionally by guns and see if your brilliant idea holds up.
 
2013-03-13 10:36:04 PM  

Mazzic518: Because it didn't happen in NYC?


Heh, aw fack.  Still, New York state isn't a slouch on gun laws either.
 
2013-03-13 10:37:05 PM  
Unarmed customers at the Ft. Pitt Inn overcome armed looney. Wonder why the NRA isn't crowing about this incident.

Just outside Imperial Pennsylvania.
 
2013-03-13 10:37:10 PM  

Mazzic518: DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?


[www.fbastard.com image 628x457]


To kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible.
 
2013-03-13 10:37:43 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Agreed. The problem isn't guns but rather a lack of general civility between Americans. Take away the guns and we'll just start stabbing each other. Take away the knives and there'll be a run on baseball bats.


You just can't make this stuff up

Man kills his wife using a vacuum cleaner.
 
2013-03-13 10:37:45 PM  
tallen702:

know it's anecdotal, but all of my gun-owning friends spend more time doing things with their families, getting out and about on the weekends, and enjoying their lives than most of my non-gun-owning friends.

It's not so much that it's anecdotal is it's not causal. The fact that your gun-owning friends spend more time with their family and outdoors is not directly attributable to their gun ownership.
 
2013-03-13 10:38:25 PM  
if it ends up that this dude had an AyHurr-Furfteen type weapon, I am NEVER going to let you tards live it down. It's gonna be great.
 
2013-03-13 10:38:38 PM  

GoldSpider: Mazzic518: Because it didn't happen in NYC?

Heh, aw fack.  Still, New York state isn't a slouch on gun laws either.


We do not have to turn in our high cap mags yet :)
 
2013-03-13 10:39:19 PM  

Mrbogey: Mazzic518: DaFuq do game wardens need AR-15's for?


[www.fbastard.com image 628x457]

To kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible.


If i was ENCON i'd want something with more stopping power than a .223
 
2013-03-13 10:39:22 PM  

lostcat: tallen702:

know it's anecdotal, but all of my gun-owning friends spend more time doing things with their families, getting out and about on the weekends, and enjoying their lives than most of my non-gun-owning friends.

It's not so much that it's anecdotal is it's not causal. The fact that your gun-owning friends spend more time with their family and outdoors is not directly attributable to their gun ownership.


how do you know that?
 
2013-03-13 10:39:28 PM  

willfullyobscure: if it ends up that this dude had an AyHurr-Furfteen type weapon, I am NEVER going to let you tards live it down. It's gonna be great.


What happens if it was a glock?
 
2013-03-13 10:39:54 PM  

Molavian: Giltric: I really hope this well trained SWAT officer does not enocoonter the suspect and a gunfight ensues....his EOTech is mounted backwards.

You are not able to see the reticle looking through the EOTech from that direction...there is a 100% chance he has nver fired that rifle while looking through the scope....and if he hasn't fired that rifle with that scope on it it would not be zeroed and he has as much a chance as shooting some citizen crossing the street a half mile away as he does the suspect.


Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.
[statepolitics.lohudblogs.com image 300x225]

I thought you were kidding, but sure enough it's on backwards.  I think it's from the XPS line.

[i184.photobucket.com image 640x480]

[i184.photobucket.com image 640x480]

Picked them up here.


Maybe wrong rear sight too. He shouldn't have a gun.
 
2013-03-13 10:40:01 PM  

GoldSpider: willfullyobscure: if it ends up that this dude had an AyHurr-Furfteen type weapon, I am NEVER going to let you tards live it down. It's gonna be great.

What happens if it was a glock?


We are going to sue Australia
 
2013-03-13 10:40:14 PM  
 

WhoopAssWayne: Look on the bright side. Obama might have some more dead kids to exploit and use as props in the next state of the union, being the classy guy that he is, right democrats? This tragedy would just be another great win for you, you scumbag pieces of sh*t.


Ah. "Wayne". The most popular serial killer name. Hey Chief! When you go, can you just start with yourself? Kthxby.
 
2013-03-13 10:41:06 PM  

Mazzic518: GoldSpider: Has anyone responded to the point that NYC has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, yet they failed to prevent this incident nonetheless?

Because it didn't happen in NYC?


Too bad NY state has the most restrictive firearm laws in the nation.
 
2013-03-13 10:42:16 PM  

Mazzic518: We do not have to turn in our high cap mags yet :)


On a completely unrelated note, is it just me, or does Andrew Cuomo look and sound more "connected" than a Scranton trash kingpin?
 
2013-03-13 10:43:00 PM  

boxster: atomicmask: LoneWolf343: lostcat: Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?

Seriously...This is nothing for anyone to get bent out of shape about. Come on, it's just four people. People get shot every day. Why all this sensationalism?

Because people get shot every day. That shouldn't be happening. It wouldn't be happening if you let us do something about it, goddammit.

It shouldn't? What makes this particular cause of death any worse or better then any others? Death by auto accident has a far higher body count. Death by chainsaw more gory. Death by fall is far easier and no way to regulate it. What makes guns the crusade you are so willing to go on?

What's the ratio of homicide by vehicle to accidental deaths in vehicle accidents?  What's the ratio for gun deaths, accidental vs intentional?

If you're going to use that ridiculous argument, at least make the comparison relevant.  Compare the rate of people killed intentionally by cars and killed intentionally by guns and see if your brilliant idea holds up.


So you don't care about all the children killed in car accidents? Or do you just ignore them because you can't use their dead bodies as a platform against gun ownership?
 
2013-03-13 10:43:07 PM  

jso2897: As Yeats so depressingly pointed out, not all worlds end with bangs - sometimes, they end in whimpers.


Just FYI it was T.S. Eliot who said that. Yeats was the one who is frequently quoted for his famous phrase "the best lack all conviction / while the worst are full of a passionate intensity". The best of the Modernist poets had a hell of a lot to teach us about ourselves as we journey through our limited lives; for anyone who wants to get into poetry but doesn't know where to begin, I'd recommend an anthology of Eliot's and Yeats's complete works to get you started -- you won't regret it.
 
2013-03-13 10:43:51 PM  

tallen702: I know it's anecdotal, but all of my gun-owning friends spend more time doing things with their families, getting out and about on the weekends, and enjoying their lives than most of my non-gun-owning friends.


Not anecdotal: Men who murder their families and then kill themselves after a barricade situation are nearly 100% gun owners.
 
2013-03-13 10:45:07 PM  

GUTSU: So you don't care about all the children killed in car accidents? Or do you just ignore them because you can't use their dead bodies as a platform against gun ownership?


How many were killed intentionally?  I'm sure you have stats since you think the comparison is apt.
 
2013-03-13 10:45:33 PM  

BGates: Mazzic518: GoldSpider: Has anyone responded to the point that NYC has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, yet they failed to prevent this incident nonetheless?

Because it didn't happen in NYC?

Too bad NY state has the most restrictive firearm laws in the nation.


I live in NY and I know many many gun owners.... point?
 
2013-03-13 10:45:42 PM  
Spree shooting NOT a mass shooting. Clock continues!
/Play Ball!
//Doinrite?
 
2013-03-13 10:46:26 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: So - keep your guns. They, and you, are no threat to me.

That's great, but could you write to Sen. Feinstein to let her know that? Thanks.

But as for your freedoms - you'd better guard them closely, and don't assume that when they are taken that it will be by some guy in jackboots kicking in your front door. As Yeats so depressingly pointed out, not all worlds end with bangs - sometimes, they end in whimpers.

I don't disagree that western civilization is going down the sh*tter in large part due to the stupefied apathy of the citizenry. Guns are for free men, but how free are we when we let State agencies dictate what kinds of lightbulbs we can use or what kinds of cheeses we can eat, when online companies are gathering our data freely and sharing it with the government, or when we censor ourselves from speaking plainly in everyday conversation because we are worried that someone might be offended and we might be reprimanded, fired or even prosecuted? How free are we when our traditional deference towards the police and the military has mutated into a cringing servility towards all forms of authority, no matter how they treat us? But no matter, there is always something on TV to watch and some food to stuff our faces with -- until one day there won't be, of course, and we'll wonder what the hell happened while we were choosing not to notice.


First they came for the cheese. But I was not a cheese..
 
2013-03-13 10:46:40 PM  

willfullyobscure: if it ends up that this dude had an AyHurr-Furfteen type weapon, I am NEVER going to let you tards live it down. It's gonna be great.


And if he used a shotgun?
 
2013-03-13 10:46:49 PM  

GoldSpider: Mazzic518: We do not have to turn in our high cap mags yet :)

On a completely unrelated note, is it just me, or does Andrew Cuomo look and sound more "connected" than a Scranton trash kingpin?


Takes after his father Mario
 
2013-03-13 10:47:53 PM  

boxster: GUTSU: So you don't care about all the children killed in car accidents? Or do you just ignore them because you can't use their dead bodies as a platform against gun ownership?

How many were killed intentionally?  I'm sure you have stats since you think the comparison is apt.


What's the percentage of gun owners that are also mass murders?
 
2013-03-13 10:47:54 PM  

Molavian: Giltric: I really hope this well trained SWAT officer does not enocoonter the suspect and a gunfight ensues....his EOTech is mounted backwards.

You are not able to see the reticle looking through the EOTech from that direction...there is a 100% chance he has nver fired that rifle while looking through the scope....and if he hasn't fired that rifle with that scope on it it would not be zeroed and he has as much a chance as shooting some citizen crossing the street a half mile away as he does the suspect.


Remember....there are alot of people on this site who think that only people like that should own a rifle like an AR-15.
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I thought you were kidding, but sure enough it's on backwards.  I think it's from the XPS line.

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Picked them up here.


I didn't know LE agencies in NYS used Hollywood armorers and prop-masters to outfit their weapons.

/"I'm the only one professional enough.... yada yada yada."
 
2013-03-13 10:47:58 PM  

Evil High Priest: EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: So - keep your guns. They, and you, are no threat to me.

That's great, but could you write to Sen. Feinstein to let her know that? Thanks.

But as for your freedoms - you'd better guard them closely, and don't assume that when they are taken that it will be by some guy in jackboots kicking in your front door. As Yeats so depressingly pointed out, not all worlds end with bangs - sometimes, they end in whimpers.

I don't disagree that western civilization is going down the sh*tter in large part due to the stupefied apathy of the citizenry. Guns are for free men, but how free are we when we let State agencies dictate what kinds of lightbulbs we can use or what kinds of cheeses we can eat, when online companies are gathering our data freely and sharing it with the government, or when we censor ourselves from speaking plainly in everyday conversation because we are worried that someone might be offended and we might be reprimanded, fired or even prosecuted? How free are we when our traditional deference towards the police and the military has mutated into a cringing servility towards all forms of authority, no matter how they treat us? But no matter, there is always something on TV to watch and some food to stuff our faces with -- until one day there won't be, of course, and we'll wonder what the hell happened while we were choosing not to notice.

First they came for the cheese. But I was not a cheese..


How much cheese, in pounds, did they come for?
 
2013-03-13 10:48:15 PM  

willfullyobscure: if it ends up that this dude had an AyHurr-Furfteen type weapon, I am NEVER going to let you tards live it down. It's gonna be great.


I don't understand. What possible difference would it make what firearm a particular murderer used? Every gun on the planet can be used to kill someone; nobody has ever claimed otherwise. The AR-15 is simply one weapon that has been stigmatized by emotional incontinents due to the fact that it looks scary, even though it is very far from being the most powerful legal firearm available.
 
2013-03-13 10:51:44 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: The AR-15 is simply one weapon that has been stigmatized by emotional incontinents due to the fact that it looks scary, even though it is very far from being the most powerful legal firearm available.


Imagine what they would say if they knew most deer rifles can penetrate armor.
 
2013-03-13 10:52:37 PM  

GoldSpider: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The AR-15 is simply one weapon that has been stigmatized by emotional incontinents due to the fact that it looks scary, even though it is very far from being the most powerful legal firearm available.

Imagine what they would say if they knew most deer rifles can penetrate armor.


Shhhh, don't tell that that, are you daft! You never give them ideas!
 
2013-03-13 10:53:25 PM  

dr_blasto: Evil High Priest: EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: So - keep your guns. They, and you, are no threat to me.

That's great, but could you write to Sen. Feinstein to let her know that? Thanks.

But as for your freedoms - you'd better guard them closely, and don't assume that when they are taken that it will be by some guy in jackboots kicking in your front door. As Yeats so depressingly pointed out, not all worlds end with bangs - sometimes, they end in whimpers.

I don't disagree that western civilization is going down the sh*tter in large part due to the stupefied apathy of the citizenry. Guns are for free men, but how free are we when we let State agencies dictate what kinds of lightbulbs we can use or what kinds of cheeses we can eat, when online companies are gathering our data freely and sharing it with the government, or when we censor ourselves from speaking plainly in everyday conversation because we are worried that someone might be offended and we might be reprimanded, fired or even prosecuted? How free are we when our traditional deference towards the police and the military has mutated into a cringing servility towards all forms of authority, no matter how they treat us? But no matter, there is always something on TV to watch and some food to stuff our faces with -- until one day there won't be, of course, and we'll wonder what the hell happened while we were choosing not to notice.

First they came for the cheese. But I was not a cheese..

How much cheese, in pounds, did they come for?


Ten pounds?
 
2013-03-13 10:54:56 PM  

GoldSpider: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The AR-15 is simply one weapon that has been stigmatized by emotional incontinents due to the fact that it looks scary, even though it is very far from being the most powerful legal firearm available.

Imagine what they would say if they knew most deer rifles can penetrate armor.


Or what a creative soul could load into a a bunch of 12 gauge shells with nothing but a pocket knife and ten minutes.
 
2013-03-13 10:55:29 PM  

Benjamin Orr: willfullyobscure: if it ends up that this dude had an AyHurr-Furfteen type weapon, I am NEVER going to let you tards live it down. It's gonna be great.

And if he used a shotgun?


btw.... He did use a shotgun

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/nyregion/four-killed-in-shootings-i n -upstate-new-york.html
 
2013-03-13 10:55:37 PM  

Evil High Priest: First they came for the cheese. But I was not a cheese..


...or a bucket of Amish-produced raw milk.
 
2013-03-13 10:56:17 PM  

Evil High Priest: Ah. "Wayne". The most popular serial killer name.


Don't tell anyone, but my serial killer 'safety word' is 'Scooby-Doo'. It's like a get out of jail for free card.
 
2013-03-13 10:57:33 PM  

GUTSU: boxster: GUTSU: So you don't care about all the children killed in car accidents? Or do you just ignore them because you can't use their dead bodies as a platform against gun ownership?

How many were killed intentionally?  I'm sure you have stats since you think the comparison is apt.

What's the percentage of gun owners that are also mass murders?


Nope, wrong again.  The relevant question would be what percentage of gun owners use their guns to intentionally kill other people.

The related relevant question is what percentage of car owners - or drivers, for that matter - use their cars to intentionally kill other people.

"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.
 
2013-03-13 10:58:16 PM  
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2013-03-13 10:58:20 PM  

GoldSpider: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The AR-15 is simply one weapon that has been stigmatized by emotional incontinents due to the fact that it looks scary, even though it is very far from being the most powerful legal firearm available.

Imagine what they would say if they knew most deer rifles can penetrate armor.


Yeah. There are plenty of videos on youtube showing .308 or .30-06 rifles blowing apart concrete blocks from 100 yards away.

.223 pretty much bounces off at that range.

But AR-15 scary and bad.
 
2013-03-13 10:59:37 PM  

Benjamin Orr: btw.... He did use a shotgun


A Biden Special?
 
2013-03-13 11:00:00 PM  

GoldSpider: Imagine what they would say if they knew most deer rifles can penetrate armor.


Give them credit. Most know this. It takes a lot of effort to ignore it. Don't denigrate their work.

Benjamin Orr: Benjamin Orr: willfullyobscure: if it ends up that this dude had an AyHurr-Furfteen type weapon, I am NEVER going to let you tards live it down. It's gonna be great.

And if he used a shotgun?

btw.... He did use a shotgun

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/nyregion/four-killed-in-shootings-i n -upstate-new-york.html


After Newtown there was a farker who chimed in about how if Lanza had a shotgun things would have turned out differently... because children apparently get +5 AC to shotgun.
 
2013-03-13 11:00:04 PM  

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2013-03-13 11:00:06 PM  

Peki: dr_blasto: Evil High Priest: EvilRacistNaziFascist: jso2897: So - keep your guns. They, and you, are no threat to me.

That's great, but could you write to Sen. Feinstein to let her know that? Thanks.

But as for your freedoms - you'd better guard them closely, and don't assume that when they are taken that it will be by some guy in jackboots kicking in your front door. As Yeats so depressingly pointed out, not all worlds end with bangs - sometimes, they end in whimpers.

I don't disagree that western civilization is going down the sh*tter in large part due to the stupefied apathy of the citizenry. Guns are for free men, but how free are we when we let State agencies dictate what kinds of lightbulbs we can use or what kinds of cheeses we can eat, when online companies are gathering our data freely and sharing it with the government, or when we censor ourselves from speaking plainly in everyday conversation because we are worried that someone might be offended and we might be reprimanded, fired or even prosecuted? How free are we when our traditional deference towards the police and the military has mutated into a cringing servility towards all forms of authority, no matter how they treat us? But no matter, there is always something on TV to watch and some food to stuff our faces with -- until one day there won't be, of course, and we'll wonder what the hell happened while we were choosing not to notice.

First they came for the cheese. But I was not a cheese..

How much cheese, in pounds, did they come for?

Ten pounds?


Sounds about right to me.
 
2013-03-13 11:01:10 PM  
Benjamin Orr: btw.... He did use a shotgun

Listen you dirty right-wing bastard, if the shotgun is good enough for Joe Biden then it's good enough for me.
 
2013-03-13 11:01:45 PM  

Benjamin Orr: Benjamin Orr: willfullyobscure: if it ends up that this dude had an AyHurr-Furfteen type weapon, I am NEVER going to let you tards live it down. It's gonna be great.

And if he used a shotgun?

btw.... He did use a shotgun

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/nyregion/four-killed-in-shootings-i n -upstate-new-york.html



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2013-03-13 11:01:58 PM  

Mrbogey: because children apparently get +5 AC to shotgun.


I lawled.
 
2013-03-13 11:04:15 PM  

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2013-03-13 11:04:26 PM  

lostcat: She's mostly right. As Americans we have all this freedom


the sooner you realize this is not true, and that you've been lied to, the better off you'll be.
 
2013-03-13 11:05:22 PM  
boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.
 
2013-03-13 11:07:18 PM  

GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.


Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.
 
2013-03-13 11:08:01 PM  
So.... Since he was an old man with a shotgun.... Should we expect this to quietly fade away from view or be the incident used to pass SAFE2 NY gun control bugaloo part 2?
 
2013-03-13 11:08:29 PM  

Peki: atomicmask: Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed,

Going against a gay person's nature to act straight? That would surely cause depression.

Depression because being gay is against nature? (when there are over 14,000 species that have documented occurrences of homosexual encounters, and only one that practices homophobia?) Nope.

I'm bi. The only time I have ever been "depressed" was a) when I couldn't figure wtf I was because the only words batted around at the time were gay and straight, and I knew I wasn't either, and b) whenever I've had discrimination because of who I am (not just because I'm bi, but because of other things about me too).

If you're straight, try practicing a homosexual lifestyle. You'll find out just how much against our nature it is for us to "just act straight." Now, go sit in the corner until you can learn to behave like a decent human being.


How the fark did this cool gun thread turn into a gay/straight (oh, and let's not forget those bi's) bullshiatfest?
 
2013-03-13 11:09:27 PM  

boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.


What about drunk drivers? Do they count?
 
2013-03-13 11:10:43 PM  

John Buck 41: Peki: atomicmask: Or maybe the fact that they are at odds with nature itself makes them more depressed,

Going against a gay person's nature to act straight? That would surely cause depression.

Depression because being gay is against nature? (when there are over 14,000 species that have documented occurrences of homosexual encounters, and only one that practices homophobia?) Nope.

I'm bi. The only time I have ever been "depressed" was a) when I couldn't figure wtf I was because the only words batted around at the time were gay and straight, and I knew I wasn't either, and b) whenever I've had discrimination because of who I am (not just because I'm bi, but because of other things about me too).

If you're straight, try practicing a homosexual lifestyle. You'll find out just how much against our nature it is for us to "just act straight." Now, go sit in the corner until you can learn to behave like a decent human being.

How the fark did this cool gun thread turn into a gay/straight (oh, and let's not forget those bi's) bullshiatfest?


Well there was a gay thread earlier that got all gunny. 's only fair.
 
2013-03-13 11:10:53 PM  

GoldSpider: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The AR-15 is simply one weapon that has been stigmatized by emotional incontinents due to the fact that it looks scary, even though it is very far from being the most powerful legal firearm available.

Imagine what they would say if they knew most deer rifles can penetrate armor.


Holy crap you guys have armored deer there?
 
2013-03-13 11:11:07 PM  

Benjamin Orr: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

What about drunk drivers? Do they count?


Sure.  Provide some stats on how many drivers intentionally kill other people with cars while drunk vs. the number of gun owners intentionally kill other people with guns while drunk and let's see how they look.
 
2013-03-13 11:11:22 PM  

Benjamin Orr: So.... Since he was an old man with a shotgun.... Should we expect this to quietly fade away from view or be the incident used to pass SAFE2 NY gun control bugaloo part 2?


If you outlaw iron pipes with a screw set on the end of them, then only outlaws will have metal pipes with a screw set on the end of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Va87gB_4AI
 
2013-03-13 11:11:43 PM  

boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.


Oh, so children killed accidentally by cars don't count? Shouldn't you want to ban cars and pools? Both of them kill far, far more children than guns do annually. If you don't campaign to stop the sale, production, and distribution of motor-vehicles and pools you honestly don't care about the deaths of children... or you're somehow biased against firearms.
 
2013-03-13 11:13:13 PM  

tallen702: The "dwindling households with guns" one always makes me chuckle a bit. Firearms sales are at all time highs


The actual statistic: Households with guns 1974-51%  2010-37%. The fact that the dwindling number of people who own guns panic buying them in great numbers doesn't change the demographic trend of diminishing interest in guns. Not that we are arguing about it, since you stated that your opinion is based on anecdotal evidence. But it it only part of the reason that I don't really care about gun control, one way or the other. As I said -you are welcome to your guns - neither you or them are or ever could be a threat to me. Anyway, I am a gun owner myself, and not a hypocrite. If they pass a few gun control laws - I don't care either.
You missed maybe 98% of the point I was making - that the idea that when and if our freedoms are taken from us, it will be by force, or that guns will even have anything to do with it. Guns do not equal freedom - they are just a tool of, or against, physical force. Handy in some situations, but no guarantee of freedom.
Now maybe you can look around this country today and think that the only threat to your freedom is some jackbooted thug from the government - in my view, that's the least of our worries. I think it is far more likely that when the day comes that we all line up to cheer Big Brother, that the NRA and it's members will be lustily cheering and waving their guns in the air in approval, along with everybody else.
Nobody has to "take" our freedom if we have forgotten what it is. Freedom is a state of mind, not a pile of worthless possessions - not guns, or any THING else. You could have an arsenal, and still be a slave - as long as you don't know it.Guns are useful tools - and only that. They will not make or keep you free, or brave, or happy, or a man. Believe that they (or any other THING) will at your own peril.
But hey - keep your guns. Neither they nor you frighten me in the least.
 
2013-03-13 11:14:47 PM  

GUTSU: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

Oh, so children killed accidentally by cars don't count? Shouldn't you want to ban cars and pools? Both of them kill far, far more children than guns do annually. If you don't campaign to stop the sale, production, and distribution of motor-vehicles and pools you honestly don't care about the deaths of children... or you're somehow biased against firearms.


They are biased against intent.

I don't agree with it at all, but its hardly an utterly nonsensical point of view.
 
2013-03-13 11:15:18 PM  

Benjamin Orr: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

What about drunk drivers? Do they count?


How many drunk drivers kill 20 children in 5 minutes?
 
2013-03-13 11:15:52 PM  

boxster: Benjamin Orr: boxster: GUTSU: boxster:
"Mass murder" is irrelevant in that context, by the way.  Nice job moving the goalposts, though.

So you DON'T care about the dead children, just your own political ideology? How... noble.

Only the ones run over by car-wielding maniacs.

What about drunk drivers? Do they count?

Sure.  Provide some stats on how many drivers intentionally kill other people with cars while drunk vs. the number of gun owners intentionally kill other people with guns while drunk and let's see how they look.


So if you get drunk and then drive a 3000 pound machine around and plow into a bus full of nuns bottle feeding baby monkeys... That is just an unfortunate accident that nobody could have seen coming?
 
2013-03-13 11:16:35 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Evil High Priest: Ah. "Wayne". The most popular serial killer name.

Don't tell anyone, but my serial killer 'safety word' is 'Scooby-Doo'. It's like a get out of jail for free card.


What is a serial killer safety word?

/for serial
 
2013-03-13 11:16:38 PM  

Yogimus: so... 4 people is a mass shooting now?


Yeah, give it another week and one person and a dog will be a massacre.
 
2013-03-13 11:18:26 PM  

jso2897: tallen702: The "dwindling households with guns" one always makes me chuckle a bit. Firearms sales are at all time highs

The actual statistic: Households with guns 1974-51%  2010-37%. The fact that the dwindling number of people who own guns panic buying them in great numbers doesn't change the demographic trend of diminishing interest in guns. Not that we are arguing about it, since you stated that your opinion is based on anecdotal evidence. But it it only part of the reason that I don't really care about gun control, one way or the other. As I said -you are welcome to your guns - neither you or them are or ever could be a threat to me. Anyway, I am a gun owner myself, and not a hypocrite. If they pass a few gun control laws - I don't care either.
You missed maybe 98% of the point I was making - that the idea that when and if our freedoms are taken from us, it will be by force, or that guns will even have anything to do with it. Guns do not equal freedom - they are just a tool of, or against, physical force. Handy in some situations, but no guarantee of freedom.
Now maybe you can look around this country today and think that the only threat to your freedom is some jackbooted thug from the government - in my view, that's the least of our worries. I think it is far more likely that when the day comes that we all line up to cheer Big Brother, that the NRA and it's members will be lustily cheering and waving their guns in the air in approval, along with everybody else.
Nobody has to "take" our freedom if we have forgotten what it is. Freedom is a state of mind, not a pile of worthless possessions - not guns, or any THING else. You could have an arsenal, and still be a slave - as long as you don't know it.Guns are useful tools - and only that. They will not make or keep you free, or brave, or happy, or a man