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(Mother Jones)   It looks like Facebook and other tech giants are going to have your personal data because the chances of Congress passing an online privacy law are next to nil   (motherjones.com) divider line 63
    More: Obvious, Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook, privacy laws, congresses, World Wide Web Consortium, senate commerce committee, Internet and Society, Rockefellers  
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2013-03-13 06:08:39 PM  
Thanks Obama!
 
2013-03-13 06:14:13 PM  
The chances of Congress passing ANYTHING are next to nil

/they will, however, make another 40 attempts at repealing Obamacare
 
2013-03-13 06:16:35 PM  
Or ... or.... OR... bear with me here....

They won't have my personal data, because... and this is the real complex part...

I'm not going to give it to them.
 
2013-03-13 06:16:54 PM  
the word nil, and the first thing i think of is Objective-C

i guess that's a GOOD thing
 
2013-03-13 06:17:20 PM  
Reason #46 that I don't have an FB account.
 
2013-03-13 06:23:18 PM  
Or, don't use facebook.
 
2013-03-13 06:24:12 PM  
Wait, guys! I got it:

Don't go on Facebook.
 
2013-03-13 06:25:27 PM  
Aw, can't we just set up a little Department of Privacy? I'm sure everyone wants their privacy.
 
2013-03-13 06:25:45 PM  

mrshowrules: Reason #46 that I don't have an FB account.

Yeah, but...you have a TF account and Drew knows all about your shiat.
 
2013-03-13 06:28:12 PM  

Ishkur: Wait, guys! I got it:

Don't go on Facebook.


Why didn't I think of that?
 
2013-03-13 06:29:13 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The chances of Congress passing ANYTHING are next to nil

/they will, however, make another 40 attempts at repealing Obamacare


I think it's 41 now.


WHY WON'T OBAMA GET ANYTHING DONE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
 
2013-03-13 06:30:28 PM  

Lord_Baull: Why didn't I think of that?


You gotta learn to think outside the box, man.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-13 06:32:01 PM  
Worst case for data consumers, they have to work a little harder to get it. They don't have your Facebook ID, but they know some guy with an iBook who lives on this block is browsing ads for hair combs and his browser profile sometimes appears from the IP address associated with this woman who has been doing web searches on watch chains. So the computers already know something terrible is going to happen to the pair. Now they can hunt down database records to figure out who these tragic figures are, or buy the information from whatever Choicepoint turned into after the name became too well known.  Because this couple has surely let their personal information leak out somehow.
 
2013-03-13 06:34:44 PM  

ZAZ: Worst case for data consumers, they have to work a little harder to get it. They don't have your Facebook ID, but they know some guy with an iBook who lives on this block is browsing ads for hair combs and his browser profile sometimes appears from the IP address associated with this woman who has been doing web searches on watch chains. So the computers already know something terrible is going to happen to the pair. Now they can hunt down database records to figure out who these tragic figures are, or buy the information from whatever Choicepoint turned into after the name became too well known.  Because this couple has surely let their personal information leak out somehow.


Midget double-anal porn?
 
2013-03-13 06:36:25 PM  
It'll take the entire GOP getting their personal information posted to make anything happen.
 
2013-03-13 06:36:52 PM  

Lord_Baull: Or, don't use facebook.


Yeah, I have a hard time being outraged about businesses having something that was freely given.
 
2013-03-13 06:40:37 PM  

madgonad: Lord_Baull: Or, don't use facebook.

Yeah, I have a hard time being outraged about businesses having something that was freely given.


This. And even if they do get it, fat lot of good its going to do them if I don't buy their shiat. Really, the best way to make me avoid your product is to bombard me with banner ads and pop ups.
 
2013-03-13 06:40:46 PM  
A couple weeks ago I did a search for "the governor" because I couldn't remember the name of the actor who plays him on The Walking Dead and now Fark has a banner ad for The Governor Hotel at the top every time I fire up my browser.
 
2013-03-13 06:41:41 PM  

Donnchadha: Or ... or.... OR... bear with me here....

They won't have my personal data, because... and this is the real complex part...

I'm not going to give it to them.


Funny thing is, people who you know will do it for you, and because they are nice they won't even ask you first.
 
2013-03-13 06:44:40 PM  
All you have to do is get someone to go on Fox News and say that privacy regulations are big government wanting to control our lives, and half of America will instantly oppose them. Most of these people haven't used their computer since Russian ransomware took it over and are waiting for their kids to come over and reinstall Windows.

The approach described in the article may not be the right one. But we really have nothing right now. With rapidly changing technologies we need a legislature that can adapt at least semi-quickly. Things that are part of our everyday life, that we all understand, are regulated and those regulations are popular. Food safety. Drug safety. Automobile safety. But not everyone gets why online privacy is important, and why a common set of rules and expectations, for both consumers and corporations, would be a good thing. Just about anyone who really understands how the internet works and how data can be misused is behind some regulations. But we're being held up by the people who just don't get it, who dig in their heels at the mere mention of government intrusion. If technology keeps changing and government regulation keeps falling further and further behind, we all have a lot to lose.
 
2013-03-13 06:44:53 PM  
It's all about the MySpace, ssssssuckers! Tol' you!
 
2013-03-13 06:49:39 PM  
Daniel Castro, a senior analyst for the http://www.itif.org/content/mission" target="_blank">Information Technology and Innovation Foundation who opposes the bill, says that "receiving targeted ads is how consumers pay for free access to content and services," and consumers should simply "not use services that they think don't respect their privacy." In other words, if you don't want to be watched, don't go to sites that watch you.

OK, so which sites don't track you?  And which of THOSE sites will tell you if they start?
I'm expecting a lot of crickets by the way.
 
2013-03-13 06:53:46 PM  
BETTER THEM THEN THE GUMMINT
 
2013-03-13 06:53:49 PM  
I don't use Facebook.
 
2013-03-13 07:04:21 PM  
...whoever complains about this needs to realize that, if Washington does pass an "online privacy" law, it will likely be in conjunction with a SOPA- and/or PIPA-like law that pretty much makes online privacy moot.
 
2013-03-13 07:07:10 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: It's all about the MySpace, ssssssuckers! Tol' you!


Pffft. I used Bebo.
 
2013-03-13 07:07:33 PM  
Generally speaking the only personal information on the internet is the personal information YOU put there. So... there's that.
 
2013-03-13 07:07:41 PM  

Donnchadha: Or ... or.... OR... bear with me here....

They won't have my personal data, because... and this is the real complex part...

I'm not going to give it to them.


And....you don't have a credit card or even any bills in your name, and your not on the lease where you live and you don't own a car or even hold a job, right?
 
2013-03-13 07:09:32 PM  

Ishkur: Wait, guys! I got it:

Don't go on Facebook.


ALLL MY FARKING CROPS WILL DIE!

Is that what you want?! IS IT?!?!?
 
2013-03-13 07:14:22 PM  

IlGreven: ...whoever complains about this needs to realize that, if Washington does pass an "online privacy" law, it will likely be in conjunction with a SOPA- and/or PIPA-like law that pretty much makes online privacy moot.


Speaking of which, what's going on with CISPA? It seemed to have reared its head again, but I haven't heard anything about it since then.

/Too lazy to Google.
 
2013-03-13 07:15:04 PM  
I don't want your personal data. what do I want?

bie?

eip
 
2013-03-13 07:17:46 PM  

meat0918: It'll take the entire GOP getting their personal information posted to make anything happen.


Statism is bipartisan. Let's not be under any illusions about that.
 
2013-03-13 07:21:55 PM  
Anyone else avoiding giving facebook their personal information by not having an account in the first place?
 
2013-03-13 07:22:31 PM  

Old enough to know better: madgonad: Lord_Baull: Or, don't use facebook.

Yeah, I have a hard time being outraged about businesses having something that was freely given.

This. And even if they do get it, fat lot of good its going to do them if I don't buy their shiat. Really, the best way to make me avoid your product is to bombard me with banner ads and pop ups.


I actually like some of their behavior. If you want to show me adds - please entice me with deals on computer hardware, camera lenses, telescopes, and games. I'd rather not see ads for feminine hygiene products, baby food, and Ensure.
 
2013-03-13 07:23:04 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: meat0918: It'll take the entire GOP getting their personal information posted to make anything happen.

Statism is bipartisan. Let's not be under any illusions about that.


I'm not, but I there is a stark difference in exactly what things the state would control between parties.

There is quite a wide, wide area between anarchy and totalitarianism.
 
2013-03-13 07:25:57 PM  

meat0918: I'm not, but I there is a stark difference in exactly what things the state would control between parties.

There is quite a wide, wide area between anarchy and totalitarianism.


There is, but the only difference between right-statism and left-statism is what they choose to focus upon. One lot want to take away your titty mags, the other lot your incandescent lightbulbs, but what they have in common is that they've appointed themselves as your moral superior and have arrogated to themselves the right to control your life -- for the greater good, of course.
 
2013-03-13 07:27:50 PM  

fusillade762: A couple weeks ago I did a search for "the governor" because I couldn't remember the name of the actor who plays him on The Walking Dead and now Fark has a banner ad for The Governor Hotel at the top every time I fire up my browser.


The moral of the story is -- don't ever search for things, especially not the actual things you want to know. Just go to an unrelated page on IMBD or wikipedia and follow links in the direction of what you want to know. Kevin Bacon's page might be a good start. And for God's sake, don't stop when you've found what you're looking for, or they'll know! Keep clicking around for a good half-hour afterwards to throw them off the scent.
 
2013-03-13 07:30:12 PM  
You can change your privacy settings on facebook, the security setting on your browser or use third party apps. I have my cookies disabled also. I realize that might be a nuisance to some of you. Some sites wont let me access them without cookies, so I go somewhere else.
 
2013-03-13 07:31:13 PM  
I will tell them everything they want to know about myself, Amanda Hugnkiss.
 
2013-03-13 07:38:00 PM  
What happened to the Internet Privacy Act that Clinton signed?
 
2013-03-13 07:38:13 PM  

wiseolddude: You can change your privacy settings on facebook...   www.silent-k.net

 
2013-03-13 07:43:26 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: meat0918: I'm not, but I there is a stark difference in exactly what things the state would control between parties.

There is quite a wide, wide area between anarchy and totalitarianism.

There is, but the only difference between right-statism and left-statism is what they choose to focus upon. One lot want to take away your titty mags, the other lot your incandescent lightbulbs, but what they have in common is that they've appointed themselves as your moral superior and have arrogated to themselves the right to control your life -- for the greater good, of course.


Yeah... I'm just gonna go ahead and mark you BSABSVR.
 
2013-03-13 07:44:54 PM  

Fast Thick Pants: fusillade762: A couple weeks ago I did a search for "the governor" because I couldn't remember the name of the actor who plays him on The Walking Dead and now Fark has a banner ad for The Governor Hotel at the top every time I fire up my browser.

The moral of the story is -- don't ever search for things, especially not the actual things you want to know. Just go to an unrelated page on IMBD or wikipedia and follow links in the direction of what you want to know. Kevin Bacon's page might be a good start. And for God's sake, don't stop when you've found what you're looking for, or they'll know! Keep clicking around for a good half-hour afterwards to throw them off the scent.


Another option is to randomly search for things or hit pages to flood them with misinformation. I think there is a program to do this automatically in the background, but I forget what it's called.

The thing is, your data has been bought and sold for decades - long before most people even heard of the internet.

I've used variations on my name and address if it's required for anything (like a magazine subscription) ever since I realized this. If II lived in apartment 128, I'd get a magazine sent to Apt. 128 A. The postman is smart enough to figure out that there's not Apt. 128 A, so it must belong to Apt. 128. That at least allows you to track the people trading your information.

One small consolation - this data goes stale after awhile. The things I bought 20 years ago aren't really a good indication of what I'm interested in today. Sure, I still have some of the same interests, but a lot of them I don't. It's not really that useful if you don't know.
 
2013-03-13 07:55:05 PM  

moops: Soup4Bonnie: It's all about the MySpace, ssssssuckers! Tol' you!

Pffft. I used Bebo.


Friendster is where it's at. Losers.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-13 07:55:24 PM  
I've used variations on my name and address if it's required for anything (like a magazine subscription) ever since I realized this. If II lived in apartment 128, I'd get a magazine sent to Apt. 128 A. The postman is smart enough to figure out that there's not Apt. 128 A, so it must belong to Apt. 128. That at least allows you to track the people trading your information.

Companies that sell mailing lists used to pay people to get junk mail at a unique address to track who was using their lists.  You would report "I got a flyer for Sears band saws at apartment 123Q" and they would bill Sears because Sears had promised to use that mailing only to sell drills.
 
2013-03-13 08:07:51 PM  
See, the GOP strategy is this:

1) Derp up 10% of the electorate beyond reason so that they will ALWAYS vote Republican.

2) Wedge the remaining 90% of the mainstream into 45% Property Rights and 45% Human/Privacy Rights.

3) Win elections.

$) Profit!
 
2013-03-13 08:16:24 PM  

meat0918: Yeah... I'm just gonna go ahead and mark you BSABSVR.


If that's the Serbian word for a f*cking genius, well go ahead sir! (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that BSABSVR isn't just some sadly predictable partisan cheap shot).
 
2013-03-13 08:33:56 PM  
i see congress is keeping their laser like focus on the desires of the people.,...
 
2013-03-13 08:47:21 PM  

GodsTumor: mrshowrules: Reason #46 that I don't have an FB account.
Yeah, but...you have a TF account and Drew knows all about your shiat.


I assume Drew will be portrayed in  a much better light than The Social Network, when they get around to doing that.
 
2013-03-13 09:04:46 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: meat0918: Yeah... I'm just gonna go ahead and mark you BSABSVR.

If that's the Serbian word for a f*cking genius, well go ahead sir! (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that BSABSVR isn't just some sadly predictable partisan cheap shot).


Well, it was based on the tired canard of "banning incandescent bulbs".  The regulation change was on old inefficient models that while cheap to produce, use more energy than the new incandescent bulbs

At least go with banning assault rifles for the Democrats, it'd be more current and truthful at least.

What's your plan for fixing things anyways?

Or are you just going to sit and complain and pretend to be "spreading the truth" about our government?
 
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