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2013-03-13 03:53:53 PM  
7 votes:
There are four people in the U.S. who have legally changed their name to Herp Derp.

I don't know what their fark handles are though, but I'm pretty sure one of them is tenpoundsofcheese
2013-03-13 04:03:55 PM  
4 votes:
I kinda like the disarm the mentally ill thing. It's a good way to get guns out of the hands of democrats.


/rimshot
2013-03-13 03:57:39 PM  
4 votes:

Heamer: My brother's friend is a paranoid schizophrenic who killed a man by using a ceramic flower pot just outside the victim's front door. If anything, we shouldn't be taking arms away from the mentally ill, we should be giving them all flower pots. Wait, what are we talking about?


See where pot gets you?
2013-03-13 03:56:57 PM  
4 votes:
Oh... this thread will be glorious...

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2013-03-13 04:02:56 PM  
3 votes:
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2013-03-13 03:52:59 PM  
3 votes:
"Better mental health!"

"Wait, I'm crazy? Don't thread on me! Shall not be infringed!" said the Area man.
2013-03-13 03:52:01 PM  
3 votes:
My brother's friend is a paranoid schizophrenic who killed a man by using a ceramic flower pot just outside the victim's front door. If anything, we shouldn't be taking arms away from the mentally ill, we should be giving them all flower pots. Wait, what are we talking about?
2013-03-13 04:52:20 PM  
2 votes:

mark12A: Plus, the government will s-l-o-w-l-y stretch out the definition of crazy (cray-cray??) until they can disarm anybody they want, at any time, like troulemaking political opponents.....


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2013-03-13 04:00:08 PM  
2 votes:
Oh holy shiat subby was right there's a guy throwing around sieg heil's in their comments.
2013-03-13 03:52:17 PM  
2 votes:
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From my cold, dead hands.
2013-03-14 03:32:20 PM  
1 votes:

Sniper061: Even though this is dying out, just want to bring up one point.  There are a lot of people here who state that it is rather difficult to get someone involuntarily committed.  This is not true.  The process varies state to state but usually it simply involves a medical health professional (even a nurse) filing a single piece of paper.  That is the case in Pennsylvania.  I actually know somebody who had the following story happen to him:


1)  Mother in law who didn't like the fact that my friend had a pistol called the police and told them, "My stepson is depressed and has a gun.  I'm afraid he is going to hurt himself"
2)  Police show up at friends house.  He tells them he is not depressed, never has been depressed, and no he will not go with them to the hospital.
3)  Police arrest friend "For his own safety" and take him to mental clinic.
4)  Friend spent nearly a day and a half at the mental clinic and spoke to a nurse for about 5 minutes.  He never saw a judge and never signed any forms.
5)  Returns home and found that police had searched his house and confiscated his pistol.
6)  Friend has lawyer inquire as to why police searched his house and took his pistol.  Lawyer finds out they got a warrant which was backed up with a PA302 form stating he had been involuntarily committed because he was a danger to himself and therefore no longer allowed to own a pistol.
7)  Friend spent two years and about $10,000 of his own money to get 302 repealed.  This process involved going into a court and getting grilled about his most personal thoughts and actions by a team of psychiatrists for several hours.


This story is what got me into researching mental health laws, involuntary committments, etc.  Most states follow a process very similar to that of PA.  So that means in most states you can have your rights revoked by someone simply making a phone call.  It should not be this easy for the state to revoke your rights nor this hard to get them back.  That is why I will push f ...


An involuntary commitment is a court order. Not a "sheet of paper" signed by the nurse, as you claim.  Not "Hey, I feel suicidal." Not "I want to check myself into rehab." It is a court order, signed by a judge, under the due process of law that someone poses such a danger to themselves and others that their rights under the law to refuse care must be taken away in the best interest of society at large. It requires the opinion of Physicians, and evidence presented in court to execute.

An involuntary commitment is NOT a psychiatric hold, or a 24 hour obs.
2013-03-14 03:22:33 PM  
1 votes:

JesseL: As a fairly rabid gun-nut I have no problem with this, as long as the people whose guns are being seized were actually given due process and properly adjudicated as mentally defective.

Something like a single doctor's diagnosis alone should never be sufficient to permanently deprive someone of any of their civil rights.


Listen, I'm going to need you to froth at the mouth a bit more and generally not be so rational and reasonable.

Us gun nuts have an image to uphold.
2013-03-13 07:19:08 PM  
1 votes:
How do you tell the difference between a gun owner and a mentally ill person?
2013-03-13 06:49:46 PM  
1 votes:

Bong Hits For Mohammed: monoski: Sounds like a good program. The mentally ill and felons should not have guns.


If a felon has done his time, and been released from prison, why shouldn't he be able to exercise his natural rights?


Because he has shown a history of law breaking.

Doing his time does not mean he is rehabilitated, as we all know. It just means he has served the sentence that was handed down as a penalty.
2013-03-13 05:34:37 PM  
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: RenownedCurator: kiwimoogle84: At the lowest point in my life my family considered me a suicide risk. And I probably was. They both made me promise not to do anything stupid AND took the guns out of the house. I have mixed feelings about it but personally, it was the right thing to do.

I can't say as far as other people go, but it's a step in the right direction probably. Recognizing that the mental instability in people is more of a problem than the guns themselves- but I do kind of feel bad for the loss of money in that case. If the gov came into my house and took my firearms, I'd be half tempted to yell after them "That wasn't a stock grip you know! That cost me an extra $175! I'll be sending you a bill!"

/late hubby was the gun owner, not me
//didn't die by gunshot wound
/not that anyone cares

Yeah, I thought about that, especially with the bit about restraining orders. Not that most of them aren't legit, but considering how many DV restraining orders are the standard opening salvo (so to speak) in a divorce, it seems unfair that there's no compensation or way to get them back if it's lifted, as the article said they'd be destroyed.


That's terrible. Some of those guns, if they're antiques or limited editions, can cost a pretty penny. There should be some sort of program where you can turn them in and get either a tax break or a refund or something. But of course, that would be REASONABLE, and this is the gov, so *shrug*

 cardex: kiwimoogle84: At the lowest point in my life my family considered me a suicide risk. And I probably was. They both made me promise not to do anything stupid AND took the guns out of the house. I have mixed feelings about it but personally, it was the right thing to do.

I can't say as far as other people go, but it's a step in the right direction probably. Recognizing that the mental instability in people is more of a problem than the guns themselves- but I do kind of feel bad for the loss of money in that case. If the gov came into my house and took my firearms, I'd be half tempted to yell after them "That wasn't a stock grip you know! That cost me an extra $175! I'll be sending you a bill!"

/late hubby was the gun owner, not me
//didn't die by gunshot wound
/not that anyone cares

Did you nag him to death ?

/don't care

It usually takes years for a successful wife to nag her husband to death. I was SO GOOD, I did it in six weeks. I deserve an award or something. This is MAJOR. I could teach lessons.


What's your enrollment fee?
2013-03-13 04:55:28 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-03-13 04:51:54 PM  
1 votes:
So if someone were to start an L.L.C. and have that purchase their guns, what's the outcome?
2013-03-13 04:49:16 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: EvilRacistNaziFascist: The alleged objectivity of the DSM was already compromised when homosexuality was removed as a disorder after aggressive lobbying, so providing a hyperlink to an article about the DSM proves exactly nothing. And if paranoia means not just believing everything you hear because the speaker says "trust me, I'm an expert", every genuinely free-thinking person must be a paranoiac by your definition.

You just lost any right to be taken seriously by making the oft-repeated claim that gay people are really mentally ill,


I never made any such claim. Can you even read? I said that homosexuality was removed from the DSM after aggressive lobbying; I never advanced any opinion as whether or not it should have been in there in the first place. Look pal, I know you desperately want to do battle with some kind of evil fantasy conservative who hates everyone, but he doesn't exist.

but there's a powerful cabal keeping them from being listed as such. Oddly enough, the only people who tend to claim this are the same ones which seek to justify their irrational hatred of people. In reality, the removal of homosexuality came about because of a complete discrediting of the principles by which it was listed as a mental disorder in the first place, namely the work of the Freud camp, and the Neo-Freudians, and research in the 1950s onwards which pointed out that sexual variation among orientation was normal.

"In the early 1970s, activists campaigned against the DSM classification of homosexuality as a mental disorder, protesting at APA offices and at annual meetings from 1970 to 1973. In 1973 the Board of Trustees voted to remove homosexuality as a disorder category from the DSM, a decision ratified by a majority (58%) of the general APA membership the following year."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psychiatric_Association


No. Paranoia is equating the modern mental health system which is run by providers themselves, and guided by evidence, with the State-run mental health system of the USSR under Communism.

Because the modern mental health system is staffed by infallible human beings who would never let their own prejudices and biases guide their decisions? If you believe that, you're even more foolish than you sound.

Actually, I take that back. That equation doesn't make you seem paranoid. It makes you look like a complete idiot.

I'm cut to the quick by this insult from a grown man who adores cartoon ponies.
2013-03-13 04:47:01 PM  
1 votes:

Bigdogdaddy: Considering homosexuality used to be considered a mental defect, I guess we'll have to confiscate all the guns from them. 

Fabulous!


Sorry, we have already been shown in this thread that the inclusion, and eventual exclusion of homosexuality as a mental disorder is proof that the system works.
2013-03-13 04:44:27 PM  
1 votes:

Bigdogdaddy: Considering homosexuality used to be considered a mental defect, I guess we'll have to confiscate all the guns from them. 

Fabulous!


That was then, this in now.
2013-03-13 04:44:17 PM  
1 votes:

JesseL: jfivealive: There's no reason to own a gun anwyays

Well shiat, it's a good thing you told me. Guess I'll get rid of mine then.

/never mind about the hunting
//and recreational target shooting
///and self defense
////-from people and dangerous animals
////and keeping the king of England out of your face



/The food in the mall is already dead
//Those targets better not shoot back
///It's a war zone out there
////I gotta move out of the zoo
////Don't shoot - swallow.
2013-03-13 04:43:39 PM  
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: [Citation needed]. I never said that, sunshine.


Of course you didn't. But don't pretend you didn't infer it. Don't play stupid. You're more intelligent than that. If you're going to make idiotic claims, at least have the gall to stand by them and defend them when called out, don't backtrack.

Your inference was that "This is what they believe", namely an Op-Ed in the NYT with a poor grasp of - well, everything - speaks for the majority of Americans who think different than you.

The only reason you trotted that out was to set up an appeal to ridicule.

EvilRacistNaziFascist: I'm not a Republican, so I have no idea why I supposed to care about the reputation of the "GOP media brigade", whatever that is.


Of course you're not a Republican. You're a right winger. The real republicans died off with the Southern Strategy when it ceased being the party of Lincoln.

 You've already proven that by making absurd claims, like a conspiracy of teh ghei was the reason we don't lock up those dirty homos anymore. You just don't get to play the poor, persecuted believer, when you make the same tactics.
2013-03-13 04:41:41 PM  
1 votes:
Ah, California.

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2013-03-13 04:32:43 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-03-13 04:31:41 PM  
1 votes:

jigger: skozlaw: jigger: So did this person whose guns were confiscated receive due process of law as required by the 5th amendment?

Maybe you should try reading and comprehending the article before you post things that make no sense within its context.

This person was deprived of property by the state. According to the 5th amendment, this requires due process of law. Did this person receive it? I'd like to know if what happened is considered due process.


Being involuntarily committed usually requires some due process. Once a court decides you meet the standard for you no longer being allowed to own guns, you don't get an additional hearing when they decide to enforce that.
2013-03-13 04:29:55 PM  
1 votes:

the801: involuntarily committed = police or a doctor (or in Florida, anyone. Baker Act.) thinks you're acting crazy. involuntarily committed for more than 48 hours = a doctor filled out a form saying that at that moment you might be a 'danger to yourself or others' and a judge rubber stamped it. you never go before the judge or anything, someone just puts a pile of papers on his (her) desk and he automatically signs them all.


Uh, you're confusing a 24 hour psychiatric hold with an involuntary commitment. Involuntary commitment requires a court hearing, not just a "rubber stamped" form.
2013-03-13 04:19:35 PM  
1 votes:
If your too crazy to own a gun your too crazy to be on the street. Make mental health care available to those who need and get mentally unstable people the help they need. If your a danger to yourself or others you should be locked up in a mental health ward getting the treatment and help you need. If you aren't a danger to yourself or others than there is no reason to deprive you of your rights.
2013-03-13 04:14:50 PM  
1 votes:

RenownedCurator: kiwimoogle84: At the lowest point in my life my family considered me a suicide risk. And I probably was. They both made me promise not to do anything stupid AND took the guns out of the house. I have mixed feelings about it but personally, it was the right thing to do.

I can't say as far as other people go, but it's a step in the right direction probably. Recognizing that the mental instability in people is more of a problem than the guns themselves- but I do kind of feel bad for the loss of money in that case. If the gov came into my house and took my firearms, I'd be half tempted to yell after them "That wasn't a stock grip you know! That cost me an extra $175! I'll be sending you a bill!"

/late hubby was the gun owner, not me
//didn't die by gunshot wound
/not that anyone cares

Yeah, I thought about that, especially with the bit about restraining orders. Not that most of them aren't legit, but considering how many DV restraining orders are the standard opening salvo (so to speak) in a divorce, it seems unfair that there's no compensation or way to get them back if it's lifted, as the article said they'd be destroyed.



That's terrible. Some of those guns, if they're antiques or limited editions, can cost a pretty penny. There should be some sort of program where you can turn them in and get either a tax break or a refund or something. But of course, that would be REASONABLE, and this is the gov, so *shrug*

 

cardex: kiwimoogle84: At the lowest point in my life my family considered me a suicide risk. And I probably was. They both made me promise not to do anything stupid AND took the guns out of the house. I have mixed feelings about it but personally, it was the right thing to do.

I can't say as far as other people go, but it's a step in the right direction probably. Recognizing that the mental instability in people is more of a problem than the guns themselves- but I do kind of feel bad for the loss of money in that case. If the gov came into my house and took my firearms, I'd be half tempted to yell after them "That wasn't a stock grip you know! That cost me an extra $175! I'll be sending you a bill!"

/late hubby was the gun owner, not me
//didn't die by gunshot wound
/not that anyone cares

Did you nag him to death ?

/don't care


It usually takes years for a successful wife to nag her husband to death. I was SO GOOD, I did it in six weeks. I deserve an award or something. This is MAJOR. I could teach lessons.
2013-03-13 04:11:58 PM  
1 votes:

mark12A: Chapman: You think that's funny.  But this is a great way to dissuade people with mental health issues from getting care.

THIS!

Plus, the government will s-l-o-w-l-y stretch out the definition of crazy (cray-cray??) until they can disarm anybody they want, at any time, like troulemaking political opponents.....


And then and only then will the government be able to oppress us.

I'll bet you think Red Dawn was a documentary.
2013-03-13 04:10:59 PM  
1 votes:
I have no problem with responsible gun ownership. I was going to buy one, but then I remembered that I'm not a pussy.
2013-03-13 04:04:16 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: That's a whole lot of stupid in those comments.  So there's people who actually disagree with removing firearms from crazy people?


the problem is that "crazy people" is a loose definition. cops can even do that to one of their own when he tries to do the right thing. just look up "Adrian Schoolcraft"
2013-03-13 04:03:00 PM  
1 votes:

Mirrorz: Bastard Toadflax: Or he was until the local cops took away his AK47, AR15, Glock.

Did he intentionally buy buzzword firearms or are you generalizing?


Don't be silly. Those are the only three types of guns that exist these days.
2013-03-13 04:01:38 PM  
1 votes:
I was late to work today because I stopped to smash all the thin, delicate ice that formed above a massive puddle on my walk in. I love breaking it. I could do it for hours, and I'm no spring chicken. Just brings the kid out in me. What do you guys think about smashing ice on puddles?

/fark the boring gun topic.
//puddle ice is way cooler to discuss.
2013-03-13 04:01:02 PM  
1 votes:

chapman: WhoGAS: If you don't go to a shrink, you have nothing to worry about.  And neither do the other twelve people in my head....

You think that's funny.  But this is a great way to dissuade people with mental health issues from getting care.


Or dissuade them from owning guns.
2013-03-13 04:00:56 PM  
1 votes:

Bastard Toadflax: Or he was until the local cops took away his AK47, AR15, Glock.


Did he intentionally buy buzzword firearms or are you generalizing?
2013-03-13 04:00:41 PM  
1 votes:
This thread will be glorious. Discord. Chaos. Chocolate Rain.
2013-03-13 04:00:41 PM  
1 votes:
There's no reason to own a gun anwyays
2013-03-13 04:00:27 PM  
1 votes:
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