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2013-03-13 03:49:18 PM  
A friend of a friend's brother (yeah, I know, but still...) was recently convicted of a felony.  They didn't seize his guns, just told him he had to get rid of them or turn them in, so he "sold" them to his brother.
 
2013-03-13 03:52:01 PM  
My brother's friend is a paranoid schizophrenic who killed a man by using a ceramic flower pot just outside the victim's front door. If anything, we shouldn't be taking arms away from the mentally ill, we should be giving them all flower pots. Wait, what are we talking about?
 
2013-03-13 03:52:17 PM  
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From my cold, dead hands.
 
2013-03-13 03:52:59 PM  
"Better mental health!"

"Wait, I'm crazy? Don't thread on me! Shall not be infringed!" said the Area man.
 
2013-03-13 03:53:53 PM  
There are four people in the U.S. who have legally changed their name to Herp Derp.

I don't know what their fark handles are though, but I'm pretty sure one of them is tenpoundsofcheese
 
2013-03-13 03:54:51 PM  
If you don't go to a shrink, you have nothing to worry about.  And neither do the other twelve people in my head....
 
2013-03-13 03:56:15 PM  
As a gun owner who does suffer from depression I'm somewhat torn on the issue. I understand wanting to disarm possibly dangerous people, but not everyone with a mental illness is going to go on a shooting spree.
Heck, of I was going to hurt myself, or someone else, my gun doesn't even come to mind (not that I would anyways.) But then again, that could be because of the way I was brought up, respecting guns.

/just don't group me in with the crazies.
//please?
 
2013-03-13 03:56:27 PM  
Sounds like a good program. The mentally ill and felons should not have guns.
 
2013-03-13 03:56:43 PM  
That's why I always wear my tinfoil hat.  They can't detect my brain's crazy waves and track me down.
 
2013-03-13 03:56:57 PM  
Oh... this thread will be glorious...

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2013-03-13 03:57:00 PM  
At the lowest point in my life my family considered me a suicide risk. And I probably was. They both made me promise not to do anything stupid AND took the guns out of the house. I have mixed feelings about it but personally, it was the right thing to do.

I can't say as far as other people go, but it's a step in the right direction probably. Recognizing that the mental instability in people is more of a problem than the guns themselves- but I do kind of feel bad for the loss of money in that case. If the gov came into my house and took my firearms, I'd be half tempted to yell after them "That wasn't a stock grip you know! That cost me an extra $175! I'll be sending you a bill!"

/late hubby was the gun owner, not me
//didn't die by gunshot wound
/not that anyone cares
 
2013-03-13 03:57:15 PM  

WhoGAS: If you don't go to a shrink, you have nothing to worry about.  And neither do the other twelve people in my head....


You think that's funny.  But this is a great way to dissuade people with mental health issues from getting care.
 
2013-03-13 03:57:18 PM  
"I do feel I have every right to purchase a gun," Phillips said. "I'm not a threat. We're law-abiding citizens."

Law abiding citizens apparently = not actively shooting up a playground so what's the problem you pinko commie.
 
2013-03-13 03:57:23 PM  
Yeaaaahh; registration can't ever ever ever come back and bite you in the butt!

If they let him go after 2 days; then they couldn't legally keep him anymore. So, he might be unstable; but, not enough to be confined to the mental hospital.

I do see the other side; it's damn hard to get someone committed who doesn't want to go onto the cart.

/ he did the responsible thing and surrendered his guns
 
2013-03-13 03:57:39 PM  

Heamer: My brother's friend is a paranoid schizophrenic who killed a man by using a ceramic flower pot just outside the victim's front door. If anything, we shouldn't be taking arms away from the mentally ill, we should be giving them all flower pots. Wait, what are we talking about?


See where pot gets you?
 
2013-03-13 03:58:08 PM  
They got a friend in the NRA.
 
2013-03-13 03:58:10 PM  
That's a whole lot of stupid in those comments.  So there's people who actually disagree with removing firearms from crazy people?
 
2013-03-13 03:58:23 PM  

Ionessa: As a gun owner who does suffer from depression I'm somewhat torn on the issue. I understand wanting to disarm possibly dangerous people, but not everyone with a mental illness is going to go on a shooting spree.
Heck, of I was going to hurt myself, or someone else, my gun doesn't even come to mind (not that I would anyways.) But then again, that could be because of the way I was brought up, respecting guns.

/just don't group me in with the crazies.
//please?


The article says the law only applies to those who were  involuntarilycommitted, so you should be fine.
 
2013-03-13 03:58:44 PM  
As a fairly rabid gun-nut I have no problem with this, as long as the people whose guns are being seized were actually given due process and properly adjudicated as mentally defective.

Something like a single doctor's diagnosis alone should never be sufficient to permanently deprive someone of any of their civil rights.
 
2013-03-13 03:59:29 PM  
Good. I have a friend with a neighbor who's a retired mercenary. Dude's really farked up: PTSD, depression, paranoia. He's also heavily armed. Or he was until the local cops took away his AK47, AR15, Glock... Now I'm not afraid to visit my friend on Friday nights when his neighbor is usually drunk and out of control.

It's scary how many people think we're better off letting nutbars own assault weapons. Those people are mainly nutbars themselves.
 
2013-03-13 03:59:39 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: That's a whole lot of stupid in those comments.  So there's people who actually disagree with removing firearms from crazy people?


Lots of them post here. They tell you they support it, and then list dozens of reasons why it shouldn't ever happen.
 
2013-03-13 04:00:08 PM  
Oh holy shiat subby was right there's a guy throwing around sieg heil's in their comments.
 
2013-03-13 04:00:25 PM  

Ionessa: As a gun owner who does suffer from depression I'm somewhat torn on the issue. I understand wanting to disarm possibly dangerous people, but not everyone with a mental illness is going to go on a shooting spree.
Heck, of I was going to hurt myself, or someone else, my gun doesn't even come to mind (not that I would anyways.) But then again, that could be because of the way I was brought up, respecting guns.

/just don't group me in with the crazies.
//please?


Having the State AG order confiscation isn't the answer.  There should be at least some sort of due process.  We are trying to stop dangerous crazy, not "I had a bad 48 hours" crazy or "I have the sort of temporary depression that millions of perfectly safe normal people have" crazy
 
2013-03-13 04:00:27 PM  
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2013-03-13 04:00:41 PM  
There's no reason to own a gun anwyays
 
2013-03-13 04:00:41 PM  
This thread will be glorious. Discord. Chaos. Chocolate Rain.
 
2013-03-13 04:00:56 PM  

Bastard Toadflax: Or he was until the local cops took away his AK47, AR15, Glock.


Did he intentionally buy buzzword firearms or are you generalizing?
 
2013-03-13 04:01:02 PM  

chapman: WhoGAS: If you don't go to a shrink, you have nothing to worry about.  And neither do the other twelve people in my head....

You think that's funny.  But this is a great way to dissuade people with mental health issues from getting care.


Or dissuade them from owning guns.
 
2013-03-13 04:01:38 PM  
I was late to work today because I stopped to smash all the thin, delicate ice that formed above a massive puddle on my walk in. I love breaking it. I could do it for hours, and I'm no spring chicken. Just brings the kid out in me. What do you guys think about smashing ice on puddles?

/fark the boring gun topic.
//puddle ice is way cooler to discuss.
 
2013-03-13 04:02:56 PM  
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2013-03-13 04:03:00 PM  

Mirrorz: Bastard Toadflax: Or he was until the local cops took away his AK47, AR15, Glock.

Did he intentionally buy buzzword firearms or are you generalizing?


Don't be silly. Those are the only three types of guns that exist these days.
 
2013-03-13 04:03:09 PM  

Mirrorz: Bastard Toadflax: Or he was until the local cops took away his AK47, AR15, Glock.

Did he intentionally buy buzzword firearms or are you generalizing?


He told me what he owned. He used to work for Blackwater or some other "security" outfit. Killed people for money in Iraq. It seriously messed with his mind.
 
2013-03-13 04:03:13 PM  

Cymbal: I don't know what their fark handles are though, but I'm pretty sure one of them is tenpoundsofcheese


Isn't that considered to be "calling out"?
 
2013-03-13 04:03:39 PM  

timujin: They didn't seize his guns, just told him he had to get rid of them or turn them in, so he "sold" them to his brother.


That'sreasonable.
"The state gets to take your stuff with no warrant, arrest, or trial", not so reasonable.

/The cause may be just but the method is shady, to say the least.
/This sort of thing is not really selling the "gun registry" idea to owners.
 
2013-03-13 04:03:44 PM  

jfivealive: There's no reason to own a gun anwyays


Well shiat, it's a good thing you told me. Guess I'll get rid of mine then.

/never mind about the hunting
//and recreational target shooting
///and self defense
////-from people and dangerous animals
////and keeping the king of England out of your face
 
2013-03-13 04:03:45 PM  

Amphipath: //puddle ice is way cooler to discuss.


That's crazy talk. You should be committed.

Ice is only bought in bags at convenience stores and grows in my refrigerator.
I've never seen that stuff outside.
 
2013-03-13 04:03:55 PM  
I kinda like the disarm the mentally ill thing. It's a good way to get guns out of the hands of democrats.


/rimshot
 
2013-03-13 04:04:16 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: That's a whole lot of stupid in those comments.  So there's people who actually disagree with removing firearms from crazy people?


the problem is that "crazy people" is a loose definition. cops can even do that to one of their own when he tries to do the right thing. just look up "Adrian Schoolcraft"
 
2013-03-13 04:04:18 PM  
So if you legally bought the firearm and it was confiscated due to a restraining order or medical records do you get remunerated by the State?  What happens when the restraining order expires, do you get the firearm back?

Seems there should be a lawsuit if not.
 
2013-03-13 04:04:53 PM  
Of course you can take guns away from the mentally ill, you just have to wait until they make their first kill before doing so.
 
2013-03-13 04:04:57 PM  

Bastard Toadflax: It's scary how many people think we're better off letting nutbars own assault weapons. Those people are mainly nutbars themselves.


This.

monoski: Sounds like a good program. The mentally ill and felons should not have guns.


Also.
 
2013-03-13 04:05:26 PM  

Ionessa: As a gun owner who does suffer from depression I'm somewhat torn on the issue. I understand wanting to disarm possibly dangerous people, but not everyone with a mental illness is going to go on a shooting spree.
Heck, of I was going to hurt myself, or someone else, my gun doesn't even come to mind (not that I would anyways.) But then again, that could be because of the way I was brought up, respecting guns.

/just don't group me in with the crazies.
//please?


In the name of gun safety people like you should not have their guns taken or even be an issue.  Mental health care should be more accessible and if people are afraid that by getting help they stand to have their taken they won't seek help.

/some one should write a song about this
 
2013-03-13 04:05:33 PM  

kiwimoogle84: At the lowest point in my life my family considered me a suicide risk. And I probably was. They both made me promise not to do anything stupid AND took the guns out of the house. I have mixed feelings about it but personally, it was the right thing to do.

I can't say as far as other people go, but it's a step in the right direction probably. Recognizing that the mental instability in people is more of a problem than the guns themselves- but I do kind of feel bad for the loss of money in that case. If the gov came into my house and took my firearms, I'd be half tempted to yell after them "That wasn't a stock grip you know! That cost me an extra $175! I'll be sending you a bill!"

/late hubby was the gun owner, not me
//didn't die by gunshot wound
/not that anyone cares


Yeah, I thought about that, especially with the bit about restraining orders. Not that most of them aren't legit, but considering how many DV restraining orders are the standard opening salvo (so to speak) in a divorce, it seems unfair that there's no compensation or way to get them back if it's lifted, as the article said they'd be destroyed.
 
2013-03-13 04:05:36 PM  
Are politicians sane enough to own guns?  I'd think not...
 
2013-03-13 04:06:24 PM  

StrikitRich: So if you legally bought the firearm and it was confiscated due to a restraining order or medical records do you get remunerated by the State?  What happens when the restraining order expires, do you get the firearm back?

Seems there should be a lawsuit if not.


I was just wondering this. Also I wonder what the appeal process (if any) is.
 
2013-03-13 04:07:21 PM  

StrikitRich: So if you legally bought the firearm and it was confiscated due to a restraining order or medical records do you get remunerated by the State?  What happens when the restraining order expires, do you get the firearm back?

Seems there should be a lawsuit if not.


No- if they had to take them, you were in violation of the law by possessing those guns. They get confiscated, and it's your loss.
 
2013-03-13 04:08:07 PM  

insano: Ionessa: As a gun owner who does suffer from depression I'm somewhat torn on the issue. I understand wanting to disarm possibly dangerous people, but not everyone with a mental illness is going to go on a shooting spree.
Heck, of I was going to hurt myself, or someone else, my gun doesn't even come to mind (not that I would anyways.) But then again, that could be because of the way I was brought up, respecting guns.

/just don't group me in with the crazies.
//please?

The article says the law only applies to those who were  involuntarilycommitted, so you should be fine.


That's the thing, there was only one time because I mentioned wanting to see a doctor while at work due to gloomy feelings, but they only kept me for two days as well. But at no point leading up to when they took me in, or during my time there, did I even once think of a firearm, or any other weapon for that matter. Even told the doctor I'd give my gun to my father for safe keeping at the time if it made him feel better.
So yes, I'm a bit worried on that front, even if I am from New York. It does make those of us who have had issues, and are responsible gun owners, less likely to go see a doctor for help if needed.
 
2013-03-13 04:08:11 PM  

monoski: Sounds like a good program. The mentally ill and felons should not have guns.


Define "mentally ill" for us, please.
 
2013-03-13 04:08:34 PM  

kiwimoogle84: At the lowest point in my life my family considered me a suicide risk. And I probably was. They both made me promise not to do anything stupid AND took the guns out of the house. I have mixed feelings about it but personally, it was the right thing to do.

I can't say as far as other people go, but it's a step in the right direction probably. Recognizing that the mental instability in people is more of a problem than the guns themselves- but I do kind of feel bad for the loss of money in that case. If the gov came into my house and took my firearms, I'd be half tempted to yell after them "That wasn't a stock grip you know! That cost me an extra $175! I'll be sending you a bill!"

/late hubby was the gun owner, not me
//didn't die by gunshot wound
/not that anyone cares


Did you nag him to death ?

/don't care
 
2013-03-13 04:08:39 PM  

way south: timujin: They didn't seize his guns, just told him he had to get rid of them or turn them in, so he "sold" them to his brother.

That'sreasonable.
"The state gets to take your stuff with no warrant, arrest, or trial", not so reasonable.

/The cause may be just but the method is shady, to say the least.
/This sort of thing is not really selling the "gun registry" idea to owners.


Hey, if asset forfeiture is legal then so is this.
 
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