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2013-03-13 08:21:21 PM  

Karac: Mike Chewbacca: Killer Cars: Karac: pciszek: Karac: Can you get married in a church belonging to any of five dozen religions OTHER than Christianity (which seems to be the only one against gay marriage)

Islam, Orthodox Judaism, and Mormonism are pretty dead set against gay marriage, to name three.


Mormon's count as fundamentalist Christians.  And how many Muslim or Jewish political groups or politicians have you seen come out against gay marraige?  How many times have you heard "This is a Jewish nation, and Jehovah clearly said no to homosexuality"?  How many places has Sharia actually been installed as law?  They many not want to perform the ceromonies they they don't seem to give a shiat if anyone else does.

If a gay person can get hung in some Middle Eastern countries simply for their orientation....I think we can extrapolate their positions, even if publicly undefined currently, on gay marriage.

I didn't realize Middle Easterners got to vote in America.

I didn't realize civil rights for American citizens was contigent upon the laws of countries a third of the way around the world.
Well, except for Vatican City.


Exactly.
 
2013-03-13 08:29:23 PM  

cman: Civil unions? Really

You guys are farking sick.

Two homosexuals should not have the option for civil union.

Instead it should be marriage


Colorado has a state constitutional ban on marriage... is a relic of when the state was conservative instead of whogivesafark. We're working on it.
 
2013-03-13 08:31:45 PM  

ck1938: Dear Homosexuals,

Despite the conclusions my choice to ski in Utah rather than Colorado from now on may lead you to I can assure you it is not true.  I am not trying to avoid you.  Rather I choose to avoid the legions of unemployed and giggling stoners who make up an increasingly large percentage of the population of Colorado.  Enjoy your stay in the Miles High state.

Sincerely,

John F.


You have fun spending twice as much so you can ski somewhere where they make everyone tuck in their shirt.
I support your right to not patronize my awesome state, we're still dealing with a minor infestation of Texans anyways.
 
2013-03-13 08:31:45 PM  
If the only difference is the title on the top of the form, is it really "separate"?

If there are other substantive differences, that's bullshiat.  But if not, comparing this to Jim Crow demeans us all.
 
2013-03-13 08:35:16 PM  

Mog32Kupo: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 462x300]

Separate but equal!


Except that, in your metaphor, black people wouldn't be allowed to drink water at all, or go buy water in another state and legally bring it back with them.  Even though their tax dollars go to help pay for the plumbing, treatment, etc.
 
2013-03-13 08:47:34 PM  

Summoner101: Colorado is a weird state.  It shows a lot of similarities with WA, but every once in a while it shows its conservative bent.


IMO, the mountains tend to create strong barriers between communities, which leads to a lot of, "we're going to do what we want here, and we don't want anybody else telling us what to do!"  That separation also leads to a "hardening" of local cultures, with end results like Boulder and Colorado Springs being perhaps the two most culturally opposite cities in America.

The vestiges of conservatism are being wiped out pretty quickly over the past couple of decades with the massive influx of people from the Pacific Coast.  But it should continue to be pretty bi-polar for the time being.
 
2013-03-13 08:57:17 PM  

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: If the only difference is the title on the top of the form, is it really "separate"?

If there are other substantive differences, that's bullshiat.  But if not, comparing this to Jim Crow demeans us all.


Seeing as how the Federal government doesn't recognize civil unions, it is just as bad as Jim Crow.
 
2013-03-13 09:05:00 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Seeing as how the Federal government doesn't recognize civil unions, it is just as bad as Jim Crow.


The Federal government doesn't recognize marriages between people of the same sex either.
 
2013-03-13 09:06:21 PM  

pciszek: Mike Chewbacca: Seeing as how the Federal government doesn't recognize civil unions, it is just as bad as Jim Crow.

The Federal government doesn't recognize marriages between people of the same sex either.


And 20 of the 30 state constitutional amendments also ban civil unions.
 
2013-03-13 09:08:56 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Cajnik: Colorado was cooler when they didn't charge $100 for season single day lift-tickets ($160 at Vail) while simultaneously pissing off season pass holders.

/remember buddy passes?

Fixed.

And yes, back in the day, buddy passes meant something.

And we're still pretty farking cool.


Do you mean friends and family day tickets for employees of the ski area?  Yeah, I remember those.  Like half day passes or some stuff you could hand out.  Too many employees abused the system and it's been brought to a lower level.
 
2013-03-13 09:14:37 PM  
I'm sort of okay with this, but I personally think that governing bodies in a secular nation should not be in the business of marriage at all, just civil unions, let the churches handle the "special" terminology like "marriage".  Civil unions: Legally recognized and open to all couples regardless of gender, sex, orientation, religion. MArriage: a ceremony performed by a religious organization or some other non-governmental body. with this, no one could complain.
 
2013-03-13 09:24:32 PM  

pciszek: Mike Chewbacca: /it's called MARRIAGE equality, biatches!

We have an amendment to our state constitution defining marriage as being between one man and one woman.  Until the SCOTUS overrides that--unlikely--civil unions are all that is possible in Colorado in this regard.


...until CO passes another amendment. Is it a 1/2 or 2/3 popular vote state for amendments? The former could be practical by 2014.
 
2013-03-13 09:34:39 PM  
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2013-03-13 09:46:36 PM  

PrYgMMa: I'm sort of okay with this, but I personally think that governing bodies in a secular nation should not be in the business of marriage at all, just civil unions, let the churches handle the "special" terminology like "marriage".  Civil unions: Legally recognized and open to all couples regardless of gender, sex, orientation, religion. MArriage: a ceremony performed by a religious organization or some other non-governmental body. with this, no one could complain.


Colorado Mountain Passes (season passes good at 5 or 6 mountains) come with the benefit of a limited number of discounted lift tickets for the pass holders's friends. The discount used to be a lot more substantial. Now it's 20% off full price.
 
2013-03-13 09:46:53 PM  
Welcome to the 20th century, Colorado!
 
2013-03-13 09:47:09 PM  
The tops contain potassium benzoate.
 
2013-03-13 09:51:27 PM  
Considering this is the same state that passed Amendment 2, we've come a very long way.  Not long enough, but a fur piece up the road.
 
2013-03-13 09:52:43 PM  

PrYgMMa: I'm sort of okay with this, but I personally think that governing bodies in a secular nation should not be in the business of marriage at all, just civil unions, let the churches handle the "special" terminology like "marriage".  Civil unions: Legally recognized and open to all couples regardless of gender, sex, orientation, religion. MArriage: a ceremony performed by a religious organization or some other non-governmental body. with this, no one could complain.


Except for the fact that the same people moaning and complain about same-sex marriages are also moaning and complaining about same-sex civil unions...you'd actually have a point.

Tired debunked talking point is tired.
 
2013-03-13 09:56:43 PM  

EngineerAU: Are civil unions allowed only for same sex couples? And are the benefits/responsibilities the same as 'traditional' marriage? If both are 'yes', I could easily see civil unions becoming a popular alternative for those who don't need or want the intermingled state and religious institution but do want a legal association with their partner, regardless of gender.


My personal view is that all current marriages and any new ones should be civil unions and gender matters not one bit to obtain one. Then the fundies can piss off with their love of the word and they can still engage in their quaint ceremonies if they elect to.
 
2013-03-13 10:07:39 PM  

PrYgMMa: I'm sort of okay with this, but I personally think that governing bodies in a secular nation should not be in the business of marriage at all, just civil unions, let the churches handle the "special" terminology like "marriage".  Civil unions: Legally recognized and open to all couples regardless of gender, sex, orientation, religion. MArriage: a ceremony performed by a religious organization or some other non-governmental body. with this, no one could complain.


I'll repeat it again.  20 of the 30 state constitutional amendments banning gay marriage also ban civil unions.
 
2013-03-13 10:55:08 PM  
State ski industry expecting downturn due to rain of fire and brimstone

Skiing in WA has been just fine this year, in spite of our gay marriage law. Then again, folks around here are used to skiing in the rain.
 
2013-03-13 11:28:44 PM  

Nuclear Pancake: DIAF Subby!

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2013-03-14 12:03:53 AM  

Mrtraveler01: PrYgMMa: I'm sort of okay with this, but I personally think that governing bodies in a secular nation should not be in the business of marriage at all, just civil unions, let the churches handle the "special" terminology like "marriage".  Civil unions: Legally recognized and open to all couples regardless of gender, sex, orientation, religion. MArriage: a ceremony performed by a religious organization or some other non-governmental body. with this, no one could complain.

Except for the fact that the same people moaning and complain about same-sex marriages are also moaning and complaining about same-sex civil unions...you'd actually have a point.

Tired debunked talking point is tired.


Not all people moan about gays having civil unions. There are conservatives that support this exact policy of keeping marriage to the religions, to keep gays from getting real-married because they think churches won't marry them. I love pointing out that there are religions that are perfectly happy to marry gays. Also, I'm an atheist and I think letting religion have marriage is stupid, even for secular reasons. No religion has dominion over marriage or who can get married, they can only have teachings on such things for their followers.
 
2013-03-14 12:15:37 AM  
WTF?!?! Don't B sending viewers to a pay or sign-up site.  Should be Common Knowledge.
 
2013-03-14 01:15:42 AM  

cptjeff: Nuclear Pancake: DIAF Subby!

/WTF Mods? A Paywall?

You get 15 free articles a month, and there are easy ways around it. Learn to deal.


Subby here, sorry about the paywall mess, all I can say is that it was free and clear when I submitted the headline.  Hell, I'm over my 15 free articles a month and it still let me view the whole thing without any prompts or tricks earlier this afternoon.
/Should have linked to the Guardian article
//Currently dying in a fire
///Damn, that was good chili
 
2013-03-14 11:45:16 AM  
Good first step.  My state started with civil unions for gays too and after a couple years with neither fire nor brimstone raining down from heaven we passed gay marriage.  The year after that, all previously created civil unions were simply reclassified as marriages so that any remaining distinction between the two was eliminated.

Politics is the art of slow compromise and persuasion.  If you always try to swing for the fences, you'll probably end up striking out most of the time.  Better to go the easier route of just getting your team on base and advancing them one batter at a time.  It's slower and there's still no guarantee of success but more runs are scored that way than all or nothing shots.
 
2013-03-14 01:14:18 PM  

milsorgen: After the glitz and glamour of a thousand courthouse weddings and the temporary boost it will provide to economies expect the moral decay to make itself more and more apparent as economic activity (a domain of the industrious and morally righteous) declines as more and more Christians head for greener pastures.


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2013-03-14 06:47:40 PM  

chatikh: Not all people moan about gays having civil unions.


Just the 20 states who included civil union bans in their gay marriage bans.
 
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