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2013-03-13 06:18:36 PM

EngineerAU: Are civil unions allowed only for same sex couples? And are the benefits/responsibilities the same as 'traditional' marriage? If both are 'yes', I could easily see civil unions becoming a popular alternative for those who don't need or want the intermingled state and religious institution but do want a legal association with their partner, regardless of gender.


Marriage isn't a religious institution.

/separate but equal doesn't work
 
2013-03-13 06:19:28 PM

ck1938: Dear Homosexuals,

Despite the conclusions my choice to ski in Utah rather than Colorado from now on may lead you to I can assure you it is not true.  I am not trying to avoid you.  Rather I choose to avoid the legions of unemployed and giggling stoners who make up an increasingly large percentage of the population of Colorado hang out with Mormons because I'm boring and cool people find me insufferable.  Enjoy your stay in the Miles High state.

Sincerely,

John F.


FTFY
 
2013-03-13 06:21:37 PM

Vodka Zombie: It's made all the more wonderful by the simple fact that Colorado is home to nutty religious groups like Focus on the Family.


Yes, we've got an interesting mix of cray-cray-conservative and uber libby libs. Most folks fit right into the "moderate" demographic along the front range. Usually gets pretty libby in the mountains, then cray cray out east.
 
2013-03-13 06:22:32 PM

iheartscotch: Not about the ceremony? If it doesn't matter, why go through with all the hassle of having a ceremony? Legal briefs suck!


Because people like ceremony.  The last wedding I went to was officiated by the grooms brother.  It was a nice quiet ceremony.  But they were already married in the eyes of the state because they signed the paperwork with a witness and a judge a week prior.  All the state cares about is the paperwork.
 
2013-03-13 06:24:12 PM

milsorgen: After the glitz and glamour of a thousand courthouse weddings and the temporary boost it will provide to economies expect the moral decay to make itself more and more apparent as economic activity (a domain of the industrious and morally righteous) declines as more and more Christians head for greener pastures. Combine this the epidemic of hard drug abuse in the state (marihauna is a scheduled I drug mind you) and we have a new Welfare Capitol in the works.


So your'e saying christians will leave the state? Good deal.
 
2013-03-13 06:24:55 PM

iheartscotch: You can accomplish most of the same stuff by giving the other person power of attorney.

I guess I don't know why anyone, now-a-days, wouldn't have a living will. But, sometimes wills mean squat in court.

Custody issues are difficult for everyone.

I agree that changes are needed; but, you might have to wait till all of the boomers are gone before it happens.


As someone who gets powers of attorney frequently, I can tell you that no, they don't grant all of the same powers, rights, or privileges of marriage.
Want a simple example? Hospital visitation. There's no contract, power of attorney, or other document you and I could sign that could force a non-party hospital to let me into your ER room.
How about another? Military cemetery burial rights for spouses. If I was a veteran, there would be no contract you and I could sign that would force the government to bury you with me.
Third? Spousal immunity against being forced to testify. Again, no private contract would grant that constitutional right.
 
2013-03-13 06:25:04 PM

FatalDischarge: milsorgen: After the glitz and glamour of a thousand courthouse weddings and the temporary boost it will provide to economies expect the moral decay to make itself more and more apparent as economic activity (a domain of the industrious and morally righteous) declines as more and more Christians head for greener pastures. Combine this the epidemic of hard drug abuse in the state (marihauna is a scheduled I drug mind you) and we have a new Welfare Capitol in the works.

So your'e saying christians will leave the state? Good deal.


Colorado Springs would become a ghost town.
 
2013-03-13 06:25:45 PM
You get married at city hall.

You celebrate at a church.
 
2013-03-13 06:27:18 PM

NkThrasher: FatalDischarge: milsorgen: After the glitz and glamour of a thousand courthouse weddings and the temporary boost it will provide to economies expect the moral decay to make itself more and more apparent as economic activity (a domain of the industrious and morally righteous) declines as more and more Christians head for greener pastures. Combine this the epidemic of hard drug abuse in the state (marihauna is a scheduled I drug mind you) and we have a new Welfare Capitol in the works.

So your'e saying christians will leave the state? Good deal.

Colorado Springs would become a ghost town.


Ah yes, the city of self-reliant conservatives who rely on the government (ie: Military) to power it's economy.

You can't argue with irony like that.
 
2013-03-13 06:30:17 PM

Theaetetus: iheartscotch: You can accomplish most of the same stuff by giving the other person power of attorney.

I guess I don't know why anyone, now-a-days, wouldn't have a living will. But, sometimes wills mean squat in court.

Custody issues are difficult for everyone.

I agree that changes are needed; but, you might have to wait till all of the boomers are gone before it happens.

As someone who gets powers of attorney frequently, I can tell you that no, they don't grant all of the same powers, rights, or privileges of marriage.
Want a simple example? Hospital visitation. There's no contract, power of attorney, or other document you and I could sign that could force a non-party hospital to let me into your ER room.
How about another? Military cemetery burial rights for spouses. If I was a veteran, there would be no contract you and I could sign that would force the government to bury you with me.
Third? Spousal immunity against being forced to testify. Again, no private contract would grant that constitutional right.


Not to mention there's no way to force the feds to give spousal survivor benefits. Sally Ride, anyone?
 
2013-03-13 06:37:38 PM
Colorado was cooler when they didn't charge $100 for season tickets while simultaneously pissing off season pass holders.

/remember buddy passes?
 
2013-03-13 06:39:55 PM

FARK rebel soldier: [thesword.com image 480x640]
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO JUST farkING A DUDE?!


Whatever happened to taking your flogging like a man?  Farking pussy with his leather breast plate.

Regarding the news...yes it isn't full on legalization of gay marriage but we got weed too so it is like, "Two steps forward, and one more forward".  We are getting there folks.  Can't help that we have all of the Evangelicals in Co Springs.  I'm just happy that my folks (Former Battalion Commander now working for MDA and his/my lovely Army House Mom) voted to legalize ze weed.

It was very cute when my mom called me after voting, all hush-hush, and told me that the two of them voted to legalize ze herb.  Of course I was sworn to secrecy.  The internet is secret, right?  They aren't lib by any stretch of the term.  At least, they don't realize they are.  Slowly my plans are coming to fruition!

/my headline was better a few days ago
//yes I'm bitter
///yes I take my flogging like a man
//safe word?
/slashies
 
2013-03-13 06:42:14 PM

Mrtraveler01: Ah yes, the city of self-reliant conservatives who rely on the government (ie: Military) to power it's economy.

You can't argue with irony like that.


Just remember, citizen, if you want a street lamp lit in your area of Colorado Springs, you can volunteer to pay for it.  The city sure cant.

/Seriously
//http://www.springsgov.com/news.aspx?newsid=295
 
2013-03-13 06:42:16 PM
Gradually, the tides are turning to favor equality.

What's the easiest way to eat an elephant? One bite at a time. And by jove, these cocksuckers are eating the f*ck out of this big, homophobic elephant. Good on you, gays, stay fabulous!
 
2013-03-13 06:45:00 PM
Oh, and they are leaning (meaning He is leaning, my folks vote in blocks) to legalizing the gay marriage.  It is quite an amazing thing to grow up with someone that treated his troops better than his children and watch him slowly melt.  Not "melt" in a bad way.  I guess, open his eyes would be a better choice of words.

To see a man that has had so many views ingrained in himself through bigoted family and military career crumble.  Send the flames but it really does bring a tear to my eye to hear my father shoot down some of our Born Again family members as he tells them that he is finally seeing what he fought all those years for.

/Cheers Dad.  I love you.
 
2013-03-13 06:46:03 PM

NkThrasher: Mrtraveler01: Ah yes, the city of self-reliant conservatives who rely on the government (ie: Military) to power it's economy.

You can't argue with irony like that.

Just remember, citizen, if you want a street lamp lit in your area of Colorado Springs, you can volunteer to pay for it.  The city sure cant.

/Seriously
//http://www.springsgov.com/news.aspx?newsid=295


I like how the headline has multiple meanings:

Over 30 percent of City's streetlights to go dark to help keep City in black.

"It's just like what many of us are doing at home.When our take-home paychecks are reduced we look for ways to cut expenses.We have more than 24,000 streetlights within the City limits and the energy cost alone to keep all those lights on is about $3.2 million each year.By shutting off between 8,000 and 10,000 of the most inefficient lights we expect to save taxpayers slightly over $1.2 million each year.In these lean times we are all cutting back where we can," explained Dave Krauth, City Traffic Engineer.

This is why I don't take those "treat the government budget like a household budget" tards seriously.

This would be the same as saying "I'm not going to put new batteries in the smoke detector because I can save money by not buying batteries".

There's a cost to not doing something.
 
2013-03-13 06:46:18 PM

KiTTeNs_on_AciD: iheartscotch: Theaetetus: Oh, and of course, this is a "civil union" bill that grants "gay couples rights similar to marriage," and those have been repeatedly held to be clear violations of the 14th amendment in the federal courts, so congratulations on legalizing gay marriage, in another year or so!

Hey now! Baby steps. Life isn't about the destination; it's about the journey.

/ I've always thought that it was screwy that LGTwhatevers didn't just have the ceremony in a friendly church and thumb their noses at the anti-people.

Some people view baby steps and half-measures as insufficient when it comes to civil rights.  I am one of those people.  This is just some 'separate-but-equal bullshiat for the sake of religious fundie's delicate sensibilities.


However, if the choice was only between keeping things the way they were and civil unions (as opposed to civil unions vs. marriage), are you saying you wouldn't choose civil unions?  Because those were the options. Nothing or civil unions. Steps in the right direction are better than no movement at all.
 
2013-03-13 06:53:17 PM

gingerjet: Marriage isn't a religious institution.


Yes it is. You can argue that it isn't exclusive a religious institution or that it historically arose for non-religious purposes but is absolutely positively is a religious institution in addition to being a legal one. To claim otherwise is to wander into the world of flat earthers and believers in the reptile people.
 
2013-03-13 06:55:45 PM

NkThrasher: Colorado Springs would become a ghost town.


Then maybe the Air Force could go back to being a division of the military instead of an outpost of the fundie wacko church.
 
2013-03-13 06:56:04 PM
No, it's not enough. Separate is NOT equal.

But for a state that has a constitutional ban on the use of the word "marriage"...it's a step forward and one more on a list of states for SCOTUS to have to look at in two weeks. (IANAL, but the s-b-e states might have a greater impact than those who have full equality?)

If only MN could move more quickly, I'd love so see us on that map as well.
 
2013-03-13 07:00:11 PM

EngineerAU: Yes it is. You can argue that it isn't exclusive a religious institution or that it historically arose for non-religious purposes but is absolutely positively is a religious institution in addition to being a legal one. To claim otherwise is to wander into the world of flat earthers and believers in the reptile people.


Marriage as it is discussed in terms of laws is not a religious institution, it's a legal status granting two consenting adult citizens special rights and privileges in regards to each other.  This unfortunately frequently requires that the two consenting adult citizens be mismatched in recognized legal gender.

Marriage as it is discussed in terms of simply the word is as you described.  But when in the context of a discussion of law it is not a religious institution.
 
2013-03-13 07:00:44 PM

EngineerAU: gingerjet: Marriage isn't a religious institution.

Yes it is. You can argue that it isn't exclusive a religious institution or that it historically arose for non-religious purposes but is absolutely positively is a religious institution in addition to being a legal one. To claim otherwise is to wander into the world of flat earthers and believers in the reptile people.


I think that people who make this argument intend to say that marriage didn't  start as a religious institution. That is, marriage, in some form, has existed longer than organized religion. Many of these same people then, in turn, believe that marriage  shouldn't be a religious institution. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
2013-03-13 07:06:03 PM
Never been to Colorado Springs, but I have an older brother living in Denver, and when I last visited him I asked if he's been there. His response: "Yeah. Once. Trust me, you'd rather use Madeleine Albright's tits to brush your teeth than check it out for yourself." This was over a year ago and I'm still trying to figure out what in the goddamn hell that means.

Anyways, good on ya, CO, but this is just the first step.
 
2013-03-13 07:06:54 PM
A (gay) friend-of-a-friend was discussing civil unions at their workplace, and their coworker volunteered that "it's a shame that you're white, or you'd be able to get one too."

Apparently the "Civil" part of the "Civil Rights Movement" is a confusing idea.
 
2013-03-13 07:08:35 PM

iheartscotch: Your confusing the wedding with the rights that are granted to spouses. Having a ceremony doesn't solve any inheritance issues, or immigration issues, or custody issues, tax filing issues, or any of the other issues that legally married straight couples don't have. I know a few gay couples here in Colorado who did get married, ceremony and all.... but their marriage is not recognized by the state. Hence why we are worried about the legality NOW.

You can accomplish most of the same stuff by giving the other person power of attorney.


No, a POA cannot do most of the stuff a marriage license can.  A POA might, may, possibly - if everyone agrees and no one takes you to court, work for some interactions.  But there's no government agency in the country that will accept one in lieu of an actual marriage.
 
2013-03-13 07:13:15 PM

EngineerAU: gingerjet: Marriage isn't a religious institution.

Yes it is. You can argue that it isn't exclusive a religious institution or that it historically arose for non-religious purposes but is absolutely positively is a religious institution in addition to being a legal one. To claim otherwise is to wander into the world of flat earthers and believers in the reptile people.



Can you get married without going to the courthouse and getting a license?  NO.
Can you get married by Sheriff Andy and never have religion involved at all?  YES.
Can you get married in a church belonging to any of five dozen religions OTHER than Christianity (which seems to be the only one against gay marriage), including being married by Elvis, aliens, or a minister who got ordained over the internet in between kitten-killing episodes?  YES.

Marriage in the United States is not a religious instituion.  It is not the private reserve of Christians, and they do not get to define it.
 
2013-03-13 07:14:59 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Civil unions? Really? 2002 called and they want their Separate But Equal back.

/it's called MARRIAGE equality, biatches!


Colorado's got a big Libertarian contingent. I think that it's a guarantee that a lot of the people who wanted this also believe that the government shouldn't be in the marriage business at all, so they aren't trying to be inconsistent. They've just bought into an obsolete idea.

But you are entirely correct, and this is why civil unions always were one of those bad ideas that sound good at first. In practice, we'll never get the government out of certifying marriages, therefore any Civil Union option becomes a de facto second class marriage. And, of course, this plays hash for getting your "union" recognized in other states or by the Federal Government.

If I'm married, I'm married and my marriage... whether or not I could have had it performed in your state... is still legal. But if I have a "civil union" and I move to some other state, I've got bupkis.

On the plus side, though, bear in mind that this was the state that passed the infamous Amendment 2, which enshrined the ability to discriminate against gays in the state's constitution. To go from that to the point where they realize that they have to give gays  some way to officially sanction their unions represents a huge (albeit insufficient) amount of progress. Let's consider this a partial victory.
 
2013-03-13 07:15:36 PM
I'd like to thank the icons of American culture who lead the charge in making this change possible:

media.tumblr.com

Thank you, Stewie.

25.media.tumblr.com

Thank you, Roger.
 
2013-03-13 07:19:49 PM

ck1938: Dear Homosexuals,

Despite the conclusions my choice to ski in Utah rather than Colorado from now on may lead you to I can assure you it is not true.  I am not trying to avoid you.  Rather I choose to avoid the legions of unemployed and giggling stoners who make up an increasingly large percentage of the population of Colorado.  Enjoy your stay in the Miles High state.

Sincerely,

John F.


You sound boring and you probably ski like a pussy.
 
2013-03-13 07:21:18 PM

milsorgen: After the glitz and glamour of a thousand courthouse weddings and the temporary boost it will provide to economies expect the moral decay to make itself more and more apparent as economic activity (a domain of the industrious and morally righteous) declines as more and more Christians head for greener pastures. Combine this the epidemic of hard drug abuse in the state (marihauna is a scheduled I drug mind you) and we have a new Welfare Capitol in the works.


"Marihuana".

Okay, anyone who can't see that you're trolling after a tell like that deserve what they get.

10/10
 
2013-03-13 07:22:17 PM
Good for them. Still trying to invent gay marriage.
 
2013-03-13 07:23:43 PM

Mike Chewbacca: /it's called MARRIAGE equality, biatches!


We have an amendment to our state constitution defining marriage as being between one man and one woman.  Until the SCOTUS overrides that--unlikely--civil unions are all that is possible in Colorado in this regard.
 
2013-03-13 07:24:21 PM
This is what happens when you legalize weed.
 
2013-03-13 07:25:02 PM
Separate "rights" are kind of like having a second draw bridge.  It might get you across the moat like the bridge everybody else gets to use, but if it doesn't get you to the entrance of the castle, then it's pretty much useless.

Doesn't really matter for me one way or the other, even if marriage equality was granted to every citizen at both the state and federal level, it's really too late for a huge swath of the population such as myself.  Doesn't mean I wouldn't love to see it for the sake of the young folks who still have time to benefit from finally having access to their rights.
 
2013-03-13 07:27:45 PM

milsorgen: After the glitz and glamour of a thousand courthouse weddings and the temporary boost it will provide to economies expect the moral decay to make itself more and more apparent as economic activity (a domain of the industrious and morally righteous) declines as more and more Christians head for greener pastures. Combine this the epidemic of hard drug abuse in the state (marihauna is a scheduled I drug mind you) and we have a new Welfare Capitol in the works.


I hope that at least part of what you say comes true--if the Christian organizations based in Colorado Springs were to abandon the state, that would be a tremendous boon.  As it is, they are a burden on the area's tax structure--their employees tend towards large families, overloading the schools and the limited water supplies, yet the organizations themselves pay no taxes.
 
2013-03-13 07:29:08 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: milsorgen: After the glitz and glamour of a thousand courthouse weddings and the temporary boost it will provide to economies expect the moral decay to make itself more and more apparent as economic activity (a domain of the industrious and morally righteous) declines as more and more Christians head for greener pastures. Combine this the epidemic of hard drug abuse in the state (marihauna is a scheduled I drug mind you) and we have a new Welfare Capitol in the works.

"Marihuana".

Okay, anyone who can't see that you're trolling after a tell like that deserve what they get.

10/10


Not even that, he misspelled it too. "Marihauna". Sounds like a Hawaiian island.
 
2013-03-13 07:32:29 PM

Karac: Can you get married in a church belonging to any of five dozen religions OTHER than Christianity (which seems to be the only one against gay marriage)


Islam, Orthodox Judaism, and Mormonism are pretty dead set against gay marriage, to name three.
 
2013-03-13 07:38:49 PM

pciszek: Karac: Can you get married in a church belonging to any of five dozen religions OTHER than Christianity (which seems to be the only one against gay marriage)

Islam, Orthodox Judaism, and Mormonism are pretty dead set against gay marriage, to name three.



Mormon's count as fundamentalist Christians.  And how many Muslim or Jewish political groups or politicians have you seen come out against gay marraige?  How many times have you heard "This is a Jewish nation, and Jehovah clearly said no to homosexuality"?  How many places has Sharia actually been installed as law?  They many not want to perform the ceromonies they they don't seem to give a shiat if anyone else does.
 
2013-03-13 07:45:23 PM

Karac: pciszek: Karac: Can you get married in a church belonging to any of five dozen religions OTHER than Christianity (which seems to be the only one against gay marriage)

Islam, Orthodox Judaism, and Mormonism are pretty dead set against gay marriage, to name three.


Mormon's count as fundamentalist Christians.  And how many Muslim or Jewish political groups or politicians have you seen come out against gay marraige?  How many times have you heard "This is a Jewish nation, and Jehovah clearly said no to homosexuality"?  How many places has Sharia actually been installed as law?  They many not want to perform the ceromonies they they don't seem to give a shiat if anyone else does.


If a gay person can get hung in some Middle Eastern countries simply for their orientation....I think we can extrapolate their positions, even if publicly undefined currently, on gay marriage.
 
2013-03-13 07:46:25 PM

Theaetetus: Congrats, Colorado, and what a great way to celebrate the new Pope!


Just tell him to lighten up Francis!
 
2013-03-13 07:49:25 PM

EngineerAU: gingerjet: Marriage isn't a religious institution.

Yes it is. You can argue that it isn't exclusive a religious institution or that it historically arose for non-religious purposes but is absolutely positively is a religious institution in addition to being a legal one. To claim otherwise is to wander into the world of flat earthers and believers in the reptile people.


So you're saying the reptile people don't exist?
 
2013-03-13 07:51:10 PM

Cajnik: Colorado was cooler when they didn't charge $100 for season single day lift-tickets ($160 at Vail) while simultaneously pissing off season pass holders.

/remember buddy passes?


Fixed.

And yes, back in the day, buddy passes meant something.

And we're still pretty farking cool.
 
2013-03-13 07:51:19 PM
great now they get all the tax benefits!
 
2013-03-13 07:55:20 PM

Killer Cars: Karac: pciszek: Karac: Can you get married in a church belonging to any of five dozen religions OTHER than Christianity (which seems to be the only one against gay marriage)

Islam, Orthodox Judaism, and Mormonism are pretty dead set against gay marriage, to name three.


Mormon's count as fundamentalist Christians.  And how many Muslim or Jewish political groups or politicians have you seen come out against gay marraige?  How many times have you heard "This is a Jewish nation, and Jehovah clearly said no to homosexuality"?  How many places has Sharia actually been installed as law?  They many not want to perform the ceromonies they they don't seem to give a shiat if anyone else does.

If a gay person can get hung in some Middle Eastern countries simply for their orientation....I think we can extrapolate their positions, even if publicly undefined currently, on gay marriage.


I didn't realize Middle Easterners got to vote in America.
 
2013-03-13 07:57:14 PM

pciszek: Mike Chewbacca: /it's called MARRIAGE equality, biatches!

We have an amendment to our state constitution defining marriage as being between one man and one woman.  Until the SCOTUS overrides that--unlikely--civil unions are all that is possible in Colorado in this regard.



It can also be changed by the same method that was used to add it to the constitution in the first place, via the amendment process.  Also, via the legislature, but we know that ain't happening.
 
2013-03-13 07:57:26 PM

Karac: And how many Muslim or Jewish political groups or politicians have you seen come out against gay marraige?


I think the governments of Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq count as "Muslim political groups" and they have come out against gay people even existing, let alone getting married.
 
2013-03-13 07:58:26 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Killer Cars: Karac: pciszek: Karac: Can you get married in a church belonging to any of five dozen religions OTHER than Christianity (which seems to be the only one against gay marriage)

Islam, Orthodox Judaism, and Mormonism are pretty dead set against gay marriage, to name three.


Mormon's count as fundamentalist Christians.  And how many Muslim or Jewish political groups or politicians have you seen come out against gay marraige?  How many times have you heard "This is a Jewish nation, and Jehovah clearly said no to homosexuality"?  How many places has Sharia actually been installed as law?  They many not want to perform the ceromonies they they don't seem to give a shiat if anyone else does.

If a gay person can get hung in some Middle Eastern countries simply for their orientation....I think we can extrapolate their positions, even if publicly undefined currently, on gay marriage.

I didn't realize Middle Easterners got to vote in America.


I didn't realize civil rights for American citizens was contigent upon the laws of countries a third of the way around the world.
Well, except for Vatican City.
 
2013-03-13 08:09:25 PM
Meanwhile, in Colorado Springs...

i28.photobucket.com


Shame it's not called "marriage" just yet, but as someone who used to live there and remembers a nasty and mean-spirited bill called "Amendment 2", this is a big step forward. Suck it, James Dobson!  ;)
 
2013-03-13 08:16:18 PM

KiTTeNs_on_AciD: ck1938: Dear Homosexuals,

Despite the conclusions my choice to ski in Utah rather than Colorado from now on may lead you to I can assure you it is not true.  I am not trying to avoid you.  Rather I choose to avoid the legions of unemployed and giggling stoners who make up an increasingly large percentage of the population of Colorado.  Enjoy your stay in the Miles High state.

Sincerely,

John F.

And nothing of value was lost.  Have fun in Utah!


Nah, I'm pro pot legalization and even I can't stand stoners. They're generally annoying people who aren't as interesting as the pot makes them think they are.

I know some interesting people who occasionally smoke, sure. But there are people who practically define their life about it, and I don't particularly want to spend much time around them. I don't think that what they do should be illegal, but for god's sake, get a life beyond toking.
 
2013-03-13 08:17:51 PM

NkThrasher: From TFA:  Under the bill, churches are not required to perform civil unions, but Republicans wanted broader protections to include businesses and adoption agencies.

Are those same businesses and agencies able to ignore a male/female married couple who happen to be Atheist? or Muslim?  Or Buddhist? or something equally offensive to their 'religious beliefs'?

/has wondered this since that particular argument became popular
//Mixing races is communism blah blah


Yeah. As an atheist, I'm somewhat disquieted by the fact that no argument for traditional marriage against gay marriage (at least that I've heard) doesn't apply just as well to either heathens (like me) or sterile people (might also be me, dunno.)
 
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