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2013-03-13 01:25:29 PM

Precision Boobery: Not only a shape shifter, but also a time traveler.

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The generous interpretation is that the early church, and in particular Matthew (who is solely responsible for the star in the east/three wise men narrative) appropriated popular long-standing mythological themes and attributed them to Jesus. This wouldn't be surprising: it's pretty clear that Matthew made up the Massacre of the Innocents out of whole cloth (possibly to deliberately echo the birth of Moses), and the Jews picked up all kinds of stuff during the Babylonian exile.

Think of it as the ancient world's equivalent of attributing everything funny on Facebook to George Carlin or Mark Twain.
 
2013-03-13 01:26:16 PM

Valiente: Crewmannumber6: At the Nicean Council the Coptics and Aryans were basically shouted down by the other sects (probably to curry favor with Rome) and this is when the story of Jesus took on supernatural characteristics. Until then then the majority of The Jesus Movement considered Jesus a holy man, but a man nonetheless.

Uh, not to be pedantic, but it was the "Arian" heresy, not "Aryan". It was named after Arius. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arius). Arius was yet another Egyptian Christian; it's not surprising that unusual ideas about Jeebus would arise in that environment, as they never really stopped arising.


Fun Fact: the "barbarians" we'd later call the Visigoths, and Vandals,  far from being pagans were actually Arianist Christians, and their attacks on Rome and North Africa were less marauding plunder expeditions and more like a holy crusade aimed at wiping out the Romanist heretics  and thier seige of the North African city of Hippo was specifically an effort to capture and kill the Romanist heretic -in-chief we now call St Agustine
 
2013-03-13 01:27:24 PM
Did someone say Egyption? A mathematician wrote a paper involving them here http://oeis.org/A220335/a220335.pdf  referencing a paper I wrote about the same thing but didn't spend time rigorously proving. Anyway, when I emailed the paper to a colleague at work he freaked out and immediately started telling me how he visited a museum about noah's ark and dinosaur bones.
 
2013-03-13 01:37:25 PM

Charlie Chingas: Gonz: gadian: I don't believe it has ever been argued that Jesus was an only child. Only that Mary remained without sin, which isn't the same as staying a virgin.

http://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_virginity_of_Mary

You sure about that?

And we're back to anal sex... god I love these tardilicious threads...


So Jesus' brothers, who are mentioned in the bible, were shiat out?
 
2013-03-13 01:39:13 PM

Bravo Two: Molavian: Weaver95: Jesus was a trickster god, or maybe a trickster god created christianity as a joke that later got outta hand

That f*cking Loki.

he should stick to being dumped on by snake venom if he knows what's good for him.


Eh, Loki would have been a bit far away in trolling the Visigoths and all those other folks up from Germany north, so no worries re him.

Now, Enki on the other hand... :D  Or maybe Isis or Set (for the Egyptians) or ol' Hermes (for the Greeks and Romans under his "Mercury" name)...

/oddly enough, there are not really any true trickster deities in Mesopotamian mythos, Enki is about as close as one comes...pretty much most of the Old Gods were DEITY-ING IS SRS BUSINESS and their antagonists were being deity-level supervillains, Enki was pretty much the "sit down and drink your goddamn tea" god who had kind of a soft spot for humans, and would sneak gifts and/or warnings about smitings to his favourites...he's the god who warned the Sumerian "Noah-prototype" about the world flood, for instance
 
2013-03-13 01:50:19 PM

Bartleby the Scrivener: Weaver95: redlegrick: I'm on board with option #2. And I can see that done up as a screenplay. My only question is, who'd direct it?

let me finish writing the screenplay first, then we'll start shopping for a director.

John Waters


That's a possibility
 
2013-03-13 01:56:06 PM
THIS EXPLAINS IT!

This is how the original DARK SKINNED Jesus has now become a white surfer dude guy!
 
2013-03-13 02:00:54 PM
There are several mentions in the King James Bible where Jesus was not recognized even by his closest associates.


1) Mary Magdalene comes to the tomb and thinks that he is the gardener.

2) When the disciples are out fishing, they don't recognize Jesus.

3) Two disciples meet Him on the road to Emmaus, travel with Him and talk with Him, and do not recognize Him until they eat dinner with Him.
 
2013-03-13 02:05:49 PM

KarmicDisaster: There are several mentions in the King James Bible where Jesus was not recognized even by his closest associates.


1) Mary Magdalene comes to the tomb and thinks that he is the gardener.

Did he have a bandana on?
2) When the disciples are out fishing, they don't recognize Jesus.
Did he have a bandana on?
3) Two disciples meet Him on the road to Emmaus, travel with Him and talk with Him, and do not recognize Him until they eat dinner with Him.
Did he have a bandana on?

Plus, sometimes we all look the same with a bandana on.
 
2013-03-13 02:06:09 PM

ggecko: THIS EXPLAINS IT!

This is how the original DARK SKINNED Jesus has now become a white surfer dude guy!


Which is STILL not the worst (and lulztastic) image of Jesus I've ever seen.

...When I was younger (read; when I was a minor and had no real choice in the matter), I was made (by my hyper-religious mother the Marguerite Perrin clone) to go to this diorama/wax-museum thing in Gatlinburg, TN called "Christus Gardens" (which closed temporarily in 2008)...which, I swear to (INSERT DEITY HERE), portrayed Jesus Christ as looking remarkably like Axl Rose (ruddy brown hair and the general complexion of an Irishman).  Even most of my relatives thought this utterly redonkulous...especially since everyone ELSE in the wax-museum dioramas was NOT portrayed as if Saint Patrick had just sailed to the Levant.

Same place also tended to sell convex carvings of Jesus' face that would appear to follow you--Big Brother Jesus, even.  Nothing quite like having the creepiest visage of the Son of God WATCHING YOU POOP.  FOREVER.

/why yes, I was (unfortunately) an involuntary introductee to the world of religious schlock on more than one vacation
//then again, I think it would have sorely shocked the delicate sensibilities of the people who WANTED to go to Christus Gardens if they realised Jesus probably looked in life much more like that nice man of Middle Eastern descent at the airbrush shop on the main drag :D
 
2013-03-13 02:11:08 PM

Charlie Chingas: KarmicDisaster: There are several mentions in the King James Bible where Jesus was not recognized even by his closest associates.


1) Mary Magdalene comes to the tomb and thinks that he is the gardener.
Did he have a bandana on?
2) When the disciples are out fishing, they don't recognize Jesus.
Did he have a bandana on?
3) Two disciples meet Him on the road to Emmaus, travel with Him and talk with Him, and do not recognize Him until they eat dinner with Him.
Did he have a bandana on?

Plus, sometimes we all look the same with a bandana on.


I'm not really sure what He was wearing by the Tomb, it says that his burial cloths were still in the tomb and burial customs being what they were He had nothing on under them.  Maybe He stole some robes off a clothes line. And a bandana.
 
2013-03-13 02:15:46 PM

KarmicDisaster: Charlie Chingas: KarmicDisaster: There are several mentions in the King James Bible where Jesus was not recognized even by his closest associates.


1) Mary Magdalene comes to the tomb and thinks that he is the gardener.
Did he have a bandana on?
2) When the disciples are out fishing, they don't recognize Jesus.
Did he have a bandana on?
3) Two disciples meet Him on the road to Emmaus, travel with Him and talk with Him, and do not recognize Him until they eat dinner with Him.
Did he have a bandana on?

Plus, sometimes we all look the same with a bandana on.

I'm not really sure what He was wearing by the Tomb, it says that his burial cloths were still in the tomb and burial customs being what they were He had nothing on under them.  Maybe He stole some robes off a clothes line. And a bandana.


Hopefully it was the right color. We don't want no war between the Jews and the locals there...
 
2013-03-13 02:29:39 PM

KarmicDisaster: I'm not really sure what He was wearing by the Tomb, it says that his burial cloths were still in the tomb and burial customs being what they were He had nothing on under them.  Maybe He stole some robes off a clothes line. And a bandana.


Bandana hammock.
 
xcv
2013-03-13 02:36:11 PM

Source4leko: Precision Boobery: Not only a shape shifter, but also a time traveler.

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That is.... interesting.  Thanks.


It's also BS. Just looking at the first one, Horus, wasn't born to a virgin, his mom, Isis, had him after she had sex with zombie Osiris. Plenty of weaknesses about the Jesus legend without having to make shiat up.
 
2013-03-13 02:45:09 PM

ShawnDoc: Charlie Chingas: Gonz: gadian: I don't believe it has ever been argued that Jesus was an only child. Only that Mary remained without sin, which isn't the same as staying a virgin.

http://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_virginity_of_Mary

You sure about that?

And we're back to anal sex... god I love these tardilicious threads...

So Jesus' brothers, who are mentioned in the bible, were shiat out?


They were among the first Catholic Poops.
 
2013-03-13 02:51:27 PM

HAMMERTOE: Master Sphincter: I'm all for fun, but all this blasphemy is really unnecessary. What if you are wrong? You are willing to risk your salvation for a few chuckles? If this doesn't make you rethink your "humor" maybe heaven isn't for you anyway:

"I am the Lord your God, creator of heaven and earth. The wicked who take my name in vain shall wander in darkness for an eternity" Leviticus:69

 And this:
"The ways of the wicked attract the vanity of men. Do not as they do, but as they do not do" Leviticus: 69-A

Dude, really? Your deity is the quintessential Negligent Parent of monumental proportions. Knowingly lets an agent of evil into the garden of paradise, knowingly leaves his "beloved children" with said agent of evil, then has the audacity to blame everybody else for the product of his own neglect when they are corrupted in their naivety. Does your god accept even a single shred of responsibility for his own neglect? You know what? In my imperfect state, I could have done better then that. Since your "All-powerful and Ever-loving God" apparently couldn't, he is obviously less than your holy book makes him out to be, and therefore, false. In fact, he falls far short of the level of responsibility we humans expect of even young, new parents, under penalty of law. As such, he is unworthy of worship.

Period.


So you don't understand what the word "no" means? Good luck with law enforcement interactions.
 
2013-03-13 02:52:54 PM

Weaver95: possibility one: Jesus was a trickster god, or maybe a trickster god created christianity as a joke that later got outta hand.

possibility two: 'Jesus' was the user name on the account.  the disciples created 'Jesus' as a persona.  they made up a costume, perfected the stage act and then swapped identities around whenever they went into a big town.  But things get too big too fast, and Judas and Peter figure they gotta find a way to calm that shiat down before they ALL end up getting stoned in the town square.  so they get the dumbest, most trusting guy in the pile to assume the persona of Jesus telling him that hey, it's cool...one more big score and they'll all blow town.  the fix is in, they'll get him out of it before he goes down for good.  He just has to play the role and Pilate will rough him up, let him go.   things are going great until the crowd goes nuts.  Pilate took the bribe but to keep the crowd from going all stabby he's got no choice - he HAS to sell 'Jesus' down the river.  So this guy ends up playing the role of his life: the whole deal....whipping, crucifixion, torture...the whole bit.  Judas and Peter are appalled, this wasn't part of the plan but they're in too deep.  they hang around for a bit, not knowing what to do next.  after 'Jesus' is dead, they figure they'd better go get the body because with all this attention someone might go dig up 'Jesus' and see if descriptions match.  if someone figures out 'Jesus' is just an actor playing a role, they'll ALL go down in flames.  they get Mary and the girls to make up a crazy story about angels, haul the body out of town in the dead of night, and bury it in an unmarked grave out in the desert.  then they spend the next 50 years playing up the cult from behind the scenes, Peter lets it go to his head and Judas gets a serious case of the guilts and either hangs himself or the other disciples off him and make it look like a suicide.


...I like your version 2 far, far better than almost everything else suggested in any context.
 
2013-03-13 03:09:00 PM

Weaver95: possibility one: Jesus was a trickster god, or maybe a trickster god created christianity as a joke that later got outta hand.

possibility two: 'Jesus' was the user name on the account.  the disciples created 'Jesus' as a persona.  they made up a costume, perfected the stage act and then swapped identities around whenever they went into a big town.  But things get too big too fast, and Judas and Peter figure they gotta find a way to calm that shiat down before they ALL end up getting stoned in the town square.  so they get the dumbest, most trusting guy in the pile to assume the persona of Jesus telling him that hey, it's cool...one more big score and they'll all blow town.  the fix is in, they'll get him out of it before he goes down for good.  He just has to play the role and Pilate will rough him up, let him go.   things are going great until the crowd goes nuts.  Pilate took the bribe but to keep the crowd from going all stabby he's got no choice - he HAS to sell 'Jesus' down the river.  So this guy ends up playing the role of his life: the whole deal....whipping, crucifixion, torture...the whole bit.  Judas and Peter are appalled, this wasn't part of the plan but they're in too deep.  they hang around for a bit, not knowing what to do next.  after 'Jesus' is dead, they figure they'd better go get the body because with all this attention someone might go dig up 'Jesus' and see if descriptions match.  if someone figures out 'Jesus' is just an actor playing a role, they'll ALL go down in flames.  they get Mary and the girls to make up a crazy story about angels, haul the body out of town in the dead of night, and bury it in an unmarked grave out in the desert.  then they spend the next 50 years playing up the cult from behind the scenes, Peter lets it go to his head and Judas gets a serious case of the guilts and either hangs himself or the other disciples off him and make it look like a suicide.



Awesome

/and more plausable
 
2013-03-13 04:01:17 PM
palelizard: .... Peter lets it go to his head and Judas gets a serious case of the guilts and either hangs himself or the other disciples off him and make it look like a suicide.

I'm on board with option #2. And I can see that done up ...

Guy Ritchie. With Peter played by Jason Statham and Judas by Vinnie Jones.


Where is the kickstarter for this one?
 
2013-03-13 04:01:38 PM
love it, I'm in.

Do I have to send money?
 
2013-03-13 04:23:25 PM

mikaloyd: Ancient egypt ended several hundred years BC

So this is very much newsworthy.


But the story of a Jesus type person born to a virgin mother and god father, the three wise men and all those other attributes of Jesus came before with Osiris, Mithras, and a whole platoon of other gods. Jesus wasn't the only virgin-birthed, son-of-god, martyred being in the pantheon of gods. He wasn't the first and he wasn't the last, just one of many.
 
2013-03-13 04:27:53 PM
In the text, Jesus comforts him, saying, "Oh Pilate, you have been deemed worthy of a great grace because you have shown a good disposition to me."

Are there any gods who would have called Pilate a pile of dog crap for using his son's life as payment into heaven? Because THAT god I would like.
 
2013-03-13 04:31:51 PM

Weaver95: Cuthbert Allgood: Weaver95: redlegrick: I'm on board with option #2. And I can see that done up as a screenplay. My only question is, who'd direct it?

let me finish writing the screenplay first, then we'll start shopping for a director.

goddamn, I wanna see this movie...

before or after I get burned at the stake for heresy?


Can you imagine the protests you would inspire?  Epic.  It really does sound like a great movie or book...

//keep us posted
 
2013-03-13 05:13:14 PM

Snarfangel: I can't wait until Mel Gibson makes a movie about it.


Apocryphlipto
 
2013-03-13 05:21:41 PM
"Then the Jews said to Judas: How shall we arrest him [Jesus], for he does not have a single shape but his appearance changes. Sometimes he is ruddy, sometimes he is white, sometimes he is red, sometimes he is wheat coloured, sometimes he is pallid like ascetics, sometimes he is a youth, sometimes an old man ..."

AH HAAA!!!! I KNEW IT!!! JESUS WAS A VAMPIRE!!!!

www.iiipublishing.com
 
2013-03-13 06:09:20 PM
Cool, but 800 AD isn't "ancient Egyptian." It's a dark ages extra-canon text.
 
2013-03-13 06:15:33 PM
he was a jerk like the lead singer of Dredg
 
2013-03-13 06:17:54 PM

Cuthbert Allgood: Weaver95: possibility one: Jesus was a trickster god, or maybe a trickster god created christianity as a joke that later got outta hand.

possibility two: 'Jesus' was the user name on the account.  the disciples created 'Jesus' as a persona...


Possibility two seems like the most plausible jesus story i've heard...


I like the one that says Lazarus was Jesus' father, and he and Mary cooked up the Immaculate Conception to cover up the fact that they were having sex behind Joseph's back.
 
2013-03-13 06:58:30 PM
www.startrek.com

NOT IMPRESSED !
 
2013-03-13 06:59:28 PM

Weaver95: possibility two


I buy that...

Fits with the whole 'Jesus as paramilitary revolutionary' concept that has Jesus leading a revolutionary group/army which is why he was able to enter the temple and trash it when the temple was a massive area with thousands of priests, guards and worshippers that would've kicked one rowdy guy out PDQ.
 
2013-03-13 07:05:53 PM
So..that explains all the different colored pictures of Jesus I have seen .
 
2013-03-13 07:25:35 PM
WTF do you need to know it happened? Video?
 
2013-03-13 07:27:39 PM
well they ain't making jews like jesus anymore

/still wants to eat ms. silverman kosher style

yeah, bled by a rabbi first like it's sposed to be!
 
2013-03-13 07:34:39 PM
my drug dealer tells me that there exist "certain" LSD shapeshifters, that you can't even TELL IF THEY"RE HIGH!
and they shapeshift from high beings to regular people and yOU CANT EVEN TELL
 
2013-03-13 09:05:38 PM

Ennuipoet: [images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 675x506]


Came here for this shapeshifting being revered as a god by some.

Glad to see I wasn't the only one to think of that.
 
2013-03-14 12:06:42 AM

Great Porn Dragon: /oddly enough, there are not really any true trickster deities in Mesopotamian mythos...


Because they had jews to blame for everything instead?
 
2013-03-14 01:07:45 AM
Modern studies show Jesus Christ most likely didn't even exist given there's no collaborating proof to suggest he did and pretty much every event in his life's story is copied 3 or 4 times in previous religions from the previous 5,000 years.
 
2013-03-14 02:28:26 AM
Haters gonna' hate.
 
2013-03-14 04:40:42 AM

CapeFearCadaver: The discovery of the text doesn't mean these events happened, but rather that some people living at the time appear to have believed in them, said Roelof van den Broek, of Utrecht University in the Netherlands

So, kind of like the other texts out there?


The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
2013-03-14 06:25:32 AM
There is an explanation for those hundreds of years of silence when Jesus supposedly walked the Earth: the construct of Christianity did not begin until after the first quarter of the fourth century, and that is why Pope Leo X (d. 1521) called Christ a "fable" (Cardinal Bembo: His Letters...,op. cit.).
 
2013-03-14 06:31:13 AM
Mark 16:12 says "...he appeared in another form unto two of them..." Luke 24 starting with verse13 appears to mention the same situation and also says they did not recognize him.
 
2013-03-14 10:29:11 AM

palelizard: Weaver95: well think about it.  every group has someone in it who's kind of a loveable idiot.  loyal, just smart enough to help with the con they're running and easy going enough not to get greedy.  My read is that Peter and Judas were the big brains of the operation.  everyone else was a mix of hangers on or actively in on the scam and not inherently loyal to the outfit.  i'll bet they scattered to the winds after they pulled that body out of the crypt.  when things started taking on a life of its own, Peter gets a couple of hard nosed realists among the remaining disciples together and cleans house.  He gets organized and figures he can ride this thing till the day he dies.  But Judas and a few of the others had time to think it through.  they're feeling guilty about how it all turned out and they wanna go legit.  But they're in too deep - they know too much.  Peter and his buddies know they need to keep a handle on the story.  Judas going all soft and blabby would destroy their religion before it gets off the ground.  So they show up all 'mexican standoff' spaghetti western style and Judas ends up dangling from the end of a rope.  that keeps the others in line when they hear about it, and Peter spreads some cash around to keep everyone in line.

Seriously, it's a Guy Ritchie movie.

Peter:  Roight.  Judas, quit yer bawlin'.  Oi'm tellin' ya, we can ride this out, keep it going.  We'll be fine, Oi say, just so long as you can keep yer bloody head in the game.  Otherwoise Oi'm gonna stick this sword up yer arse and fark ye blind with it.

Judas:  That sword?

Peter:  Yes, this sword.  Do you see any other farkin' swords lying about?

Judas:  Just that sword, what says 'Replica' on the side, and this sword, what says 'Deus Vult'.

(Peter drops the replica sword and gives Judas a jump kick to the head)


Maybe that's why Jason Statham turned down the new Star Wars movie.
 
2013-03-14 11:12:56 AM
reposted:
They should teach this to children in Christian/Catholic schools.  (I know a Catholic is a Christian, but just try calling a Christian a Catholic and get ready for some snarkyness or a head implosion if the Christian is a fundamentalist)

It makes Jesus like one of the Uncanny X-Men, which makes him cooler to the kiddies, so, totally awesome right?

Except Jesus is like mystique, and she is one of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, so a bad guy, so, it might confuse the children.

She also switched sides and became a good guy, so a lesson about redemption. But then she became a villain again, so not very Jesusy Jesusish Jesus-like.  But then she was a good guy again...

But she continued to change sides more often than a professional wrestler, and everyone knows a flip-flopper is bad, (I'm looking at you Mit. Sorry, you're just the recent target bud. Great smile, great teeth, great hair, what went wrong?).

So Mystique is a super wealthy, Mormon politician, just like Jesus.

We should ask the Pope.


GIS for Jesus Mystique:
i485.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-14 07:16:43 PM
He WAS a shape-shifter.

How else do you explain his ability to go from and i shape to a shape?

Too soon?
 
2013-03-15 02:26:28 PM

raatz01: Cool, but 800 AD isn't "ancient Egyptian." It's a dark ages extra-canon text.


Yes and no:

a) The text's age is closer to the Dark Ages, and probably more likely to be extracanonical (by Roman and Greek standards, anyways--the Coptics and the Dewahedo Orthodox churches have a fair number of books of the Bible that aren't in the rest of the Christian canons).

b) The liturgical language of the Coptic Church is Coptic, which IS the Egyptian language (as in the tongue of Ramses and Tutankhamen) as spoken and written around the time of the fall of the Roman empire.  (Egyptian was a living language at the time of Christ; hell, Coptic Egyptian was a living language up until the 17th century CE (which is the last known date Egyptian was used as a non-liturgical language; it is to this day STILL used as a liturgical language in Coptic churches much as Latin is used in Catholic churches that still celebrate the Latin mass).  The main thing we lost over the ages is how to read hieroglyphic and demotic script; by the time that the Egyptian language became the liturgical language of the Coptic church, it had changed over to a writing system largely based on the Greek alphabet with some additions from the demotic script for some sounds that do not exist in Greek.)

c) The Egyptian language, like many other languages, did change over time--going through six major periods of linguistic change.  The versions of Egyptian that would have been spoken and/or written during the time of Christ up through the Dark Ages would have been Middle Egyptian (still used as a literary language well up to the time of the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire, though it had not been spoken since 700 BCE), Demotic Egyptian (the tongue of Ptolemy et al, and which survived both as a written and spoken language well up to the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire and a bit beyond) and Coptic Egyptian (evolved from and often considered to be a surviving form of Late Egyptian--forked around the time of Christ or a little before, survived as an everyday tongue until at least the 1700s CE, still used as a liturgical language by Coptic Christians and there is actually some interest in reviving the language for everyday use similarly to how Hebrew and some recently-extinct First Nations languages have been revived).
 
2013-03-15 02:37:54 PM

LiberalConservative: Great Porn Dragon: /oddly enough, there are not really any true trickster deities in Mesopotamian mythos...

Because they had jews to blame for everything instead?


Except that even substantially pre-Judaism-fork Semitic and Mesopotamian mythos don't have any true trickster deities either (not even if you go aaaaaaaalll the hell the way back to Sumerian and the original mythological writings--and Judaism forked from Caananite versions of the Mesopotamian Old Religion quite a bit after the Sumerian version of (for example) the Epic of Gilgamesh and other Sumerian mythological works were set to clay tablets.

No, the Middle East (I'm afraid) has pretty much always been filled with SRS PEOPLE ARE SRS types when it comes to religion--at least based on what we have found that the earlier civilisations recorded.  (This actually stands out when you realise that Egypt had trickster deities that ranged from nice to not-so-nice to "killing joke" types, Greece had trickster gods, and even pre-Zarathustran Vedic faiths in what was then Persia tended to have a trickster god or two in their ranks.)
 
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