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(The New York Times)   Should the criminal justice system handle rape cases on college campuses or should they be left to the colleges' Greek Councils to handle?   (nytimes.com) divider line 15
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2013-03-13 12:35:21 PM
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Perhaps the universities could issue some sort of letter, a Greek letter, maybe, to women are bringing rape charges. The women could then wear those letters as a way of raising awareness of the profound issues surrounding rape that exist on campus. This could become an invaluable way for institutions of higher learning to help their students learn how to navigate complicated issues of adult sexuality, and also help young men know which women really mean "no" when they say it. There could even be a slogan: See a letter on her chest, listen to her request. It could all help reduce a lot of needless suffering.
2013-03-13 12:05:18 PM
4 votes:
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 But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
2013-03-13 12:39:25 PM
3 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Perhaps the universities could issue some sort of letter, a Greek letter, maybe, to women are bringing rape charges. The women could then wear those letters as a way of raising awareness of the profound issues surrounding rape that exist on campus. This could become an invaluable way for institutions of higher learning to help their students learn how to navigate complicated issues of adult sexuality, and also help young men know which women really mean "no" when they say it. There could even be a slogan: See a letter on her chest, listen to her request. It could all help reduce a lot of needless suffering.


Hmm. I see your point. These women would be leaders in the community, or alpha-females. So maybe we could simply go with Alpha. Since many of these women are staying "no", or "stop", red would be a natural color for them to wear.

So a large red Alpha on their chest would probably work best.
2013-03-13 06:22:16 PM
1 votes:

DerAppie: hardinparamedic: DerAppie: /seriously, why are men responsible while the woman is seen as the victim?

Might have to do with the fact that rape is a crime of power and control being generally accepted by the psychiatric community at large as the motivation, and not because the guy hasn't had his balls drained in the last few weeks.

DerAppie: If an 19 year old female goes to a party and has an undefined number of beers and then accepts the offer for sex from one of the male attending the party (who is also drunk) she doesn't get to claim rape as far as I'm concerned. Assuming no person slipped her something without her knowledge ofcourse. Any defense against this kind if "rape" would be: "But I was drunk to therefore she raped me." But since you'd get laughed out of the courtroom all the way to jail we'll never see that happen.

Maybe, and this is JUST a maybe here, knowing that the legal system is stacked against you to begin with, you shouldn't go fark random drunk girls who your knowledge of them is that they've giggled for twenty minutes over their beer.

I know. Keeping it in your pants is such a WEIRD concept.

Yes, because drunk people are so well known for their well thought out actions. Being drunk seriously impairs your ability to judge the level of impairment in others. So once again, if a drunk man and a drunk woman have sex, why should the woman be the victim of rape and the man a rapist? If it is the man's responsibility to keep it in his pants, why isn't it the woman's responsibility to keep her panties on?

Once again, only applicable when said impairment is the consequence of the person's own decision.


You hit the nail on the head.  I've never understood how people can claim to be feminists/egalitarians and yet not see how obviously degrading this double standard is for women.  To say that intoxicated women are unable to give consent but intoxicated men are just perpetuates the stereotype that women are weak and need protection.

I used to work in law enforcement and I can tell you that we frequently had to explain to women that being pestered into having sex or having sex when you're drunk and regretting it the next day is NOT rape.  The only time someone is too inebriated to give consent is when they're literally too inebriated to give consent, as in unable to express consent verbally or otherwise.  A woman can be blackout drunk, stumbling and falling over, and still consent to sex as long as she's coherent enough to express that consent.  I don't know why this is so difficult for people to understand.

I remember once where we actually apprehended a group of marines for supposedly "raping" some dependent spouse while her service-member was deployed.  One of them had a cell phone video depicting her engaged in obviously consensual sex with this group of marines.  I won't go into too much detail, but suffice to say it's hard to scream "Give it to me devil dogs!" with a mouthful of cock.  Showing her the video, explaining to her that she was a lying whore, and charging her for the false report were deeply satisfying.
2013-03-13 02:51:21 PM
1 votes:
Oh, I smell irony.
2013-03-13 02:49:15 PM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: lordaction: When you don't have facts I guess you have to attack the individual.

When the individual is an absurd liar with a history of posting things that would make even the most simple of person laugh in their face, and their profile, up until last week was filled with bizarre religious scripture, yes.


Since you are so completely wrong on my stances, let me just make them really clear for you.


-God created Adam and Eve NOT ADAM AND STEVE

-The devil continues to tempt you all with the forbidden fruit, just as he tempted Eve, that's why you are atheists/Satanists

-Science is just an opinion

-Evolution doesn't real

-Jesus fed dinosaurs

-God put fossils in the Earth just to trick you

-Dawkins is the antichrist, no wonder you worship him

-You can  only be good with God

-Church should be taught in school

-Church should be everyday

-Priests should be judges in every court

-Obama is the other antichrist

-Babies should be allowed to carry guns

-Mothers who abort rape babies are going to hell

-God means for women to be raped

-And he wants them to have their rape babies

-Obama isn't a U.S. citizen

-George W. Bush was right about everything

-Jesus was white, like in the paintings
2013-03-13 02:45:09 PM
1 votes:

quickdraw: BarkingUnicorn: Women who say, "It's men's  problem... I shouldn't have to change..." remind me of the granny who totaled my car years ago.

If you wanted to rape her then yes I would say that is your problem.


After hearing that, I wanted to rape her with my car's steering column.  But I didn't.
2013-03-13 01:02:07 PM
1 votes:

the801: frat boys already have a lot of experience with rape; i say we leave it to the pros.

ftfa: "The two processes are not mutually exclusive: survivors can take action through both their college disciplinary systems and the criminal justice system and, indeed, colleges should inform and educate them about their right to do so. "

i feel especially sorry for the ones who didn't survive...

and i so don't want to sound 'blame the victim' here, 'cause rape is bad and rapists are responsible, but maybe "hey lets go to a frat party tonight! they have tons of booze, which we're mostly pretty inexperienced with, and they usually have some great drugs, and they're mostly good looking guys we would get to party with, and our late-adolescent sexual desires are aroused by the idea of partying with these good looking guys who will pay a lot of attention to us and give us free booze and drinks. and we sure don't want to have sex tonight, just a good time. par-tay!" isn't a wise choice when looking to avoid getting raped?


Ahh yes. To the Burka store!
2013-03-13 12:49:04 PM
1 votes:
How about butt-chugging?  Has anyone considered that?
2013-03-13 12:44:52 PM
1 votes:
See that man over there, we arrested him for mopery.

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2013-03-13 12:42:48 PM
1 votes:
 "We'll work up a Number 6 on 'em. "
"'Number 6'"? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that one. "
 "Well, that's where we go a-ridin' into town, a-whompin' and a-whumpin' every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course. "
"You spare the women? "
 "Naw, we rape the shiat out of them at the Number Six Dance later on. "
 "Marvelous! "
2013-03-13 12:41:04 PM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Perhaps the universities could issue some sort of letter, a Greek letter, maybe, to women are bringing rape charges. The women could then wear those letters as a way of raising awareness of the profound issues surrounding rape that exist on campus. This could become an invaluable way for institutions of higher learning to help their students learn how to navigate complicated issues of adult sexuality, and also help young men know which women really mean "no" when they say it. There could even be a slogan: See a letter on her chest, listen to her request. It could all help reduce a lot of needless suffering.


This could be helped by making the letter the color of stop signs, in order to encourage people to pause and ask, and making it the first letter of the greek alphabet would keep the idea first and foremost in their mind.
2013-03-13 12:40:35 PM
1 votes:
Why don't we let the Catholics handle it?  They seem to be doing a great job so far.
2013-03-13 12:37:11 PM
1 votes:
Do you mean before or after the Tri-Lambs took over?
2013-03-13 11:40:04 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, why shouldn't colleges, who have a vested interest in making rape cases disappear - both for public image/funding and for protecting certain fraternity members and interests - handle their own rape cases?

It's not like School Administrators and campus police have never been openly hostile, or threatened rape victims to shut their mouth, right?

Or, uh, threatened to expel them?

Or completely, utterly botched rape cases?
 
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