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2013-03-13 02:37:38 PM

hardinparamedic: DerAppie: /seriously, why are men responsible while the woman is seen as the victim?

Might have to do with the fact that rape is a crime of power and control being generally accepted by the psychiatric community at large as the motivation, and not because the guy hasn't had his balls drained in the last few weeks.

DerAppie: If an 19 year old female goes to a party and has an undefined number of beers and then accepts the offer for sex from one of the male attending the party (who is also drunk) she doesn't get to claim rape as far as I'm concerned. Assuming no person slipped her something without her knowledge ofcourse. Any defense against this kind if "rape" would be: "But I was drunk to therefore she raped me." But since you'd get laughed out of the courtroom all the way to jail we'll never see that happen.

Maybe, and this is JUST a maybe here, knowing that the legal system is stacked against you to begin with, you shouldn't go fark random drunk girls who your knowledge of them is that they've giggled for twenty minutes over their beer.

I know. Keeping it in your pants is such a WEIRD concept.


Yes, because drunk people are so well known for their well thought out actions. Being drunk seriously impairs your ability to judge the level of impairment in others. So once again, if a drunk man and a drunk woman have sex, why should the woman be the victim of rape and the man a rapist? If it is the man's responsibility to keep it in his pants, why isn't it the woman's responsibility to keep her panties on?

Once again, only applicable when said impairment is the consequence of the person's own decision.
 
2013-03-13 02:40:20 PM

Sliding Carp: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 600x324]

 But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!


Came for a picture of Otter winking, but with this and Neidermeyer looking like....well Neidermeyer, I am leaving satisfied.
 
2013-03-13 02:41:00 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Women who say, "It's men's  problem... I shouldn't have to change..." remind me of the granny who totaled my car years ago.


If you wanted to rape her then yes I would say that is your problem.
 
2013-03-13 02:41:32 PM

hardinparamedic: lordaction: When you don't have facts I guess you have to attack the individual.

When the individual is an absurd liar with a history of posting things that would make even the most simple of person laugh in their face, and their profile, up until last week was filled with bizarre religious scripture, yes.


So no facts then.

I find it frightening how upset you get that I speak out  for the rights of the innocent.
 
2013-03-13 02:45:09 PM

quickdraw: BarkingUnicorn: Women who say, "It's men's  problem... I shouldn't have to change..." remind me of the granny who totaled my car years ago.

If you wanted to rape her then yes I would say that is your problem.


After hearing that, I wanted to rape her with my car's steering column.  But I didn't.
 
2013-03-13 02:45:42 PM

Marcus Aurelius: You need to be raped a few times.  You will change your point of view after it happens.


My point of view perhaps but not billions of years of evolution. Outside of prison, I'm not in much danger of being raped. Gay guys get all the willing partners they want (bastards).
 
2013-03-13 02:47:34 PM

BarkingUnicorn: quickdraw: BarkingUnicorn: Women who say, "It's men's  problem... I shouldn't have to change..." remind me of the granny who totaled my car years ago.

If you wanted to rape her then yes I would say that is your problem.

After hearing that, I wanted to rape her with my car's steering column.  But I didn't.


well then... yeah. You have a problem.
 
2013-03-13 02:49:15 PM

hardinparamedic: lordaction: When you don't have facts I guess you have to attack the individual.

When the individual is an absurd liar with a history of posting things that would make even the most simple of person laugh in their face, and their profile, up until last week was filled with bizarre religious scripture, yes.


Since you are so completely wrong on my stances, let me just make them really clear for you.


-God created Adam and Eve NOT ADAM AND STEVE

-The devil continues to tempt you all with the forbidden fruit, just as he tempted Eve, that's why you are atheists/Satanists

-Science is just an opinion

-Evolution doesn't real

-Jesus fed dinosaurs

-God put fossils in the Earth just to trick you

-Dawkins is the antichrist, no wonder you worship him

-You can  only be good with God

-Church should be taught in school

-Church should be everyday

-Priests should be judges in every court

-Obama is the other antichrist

-Babies should be allowed to carry guns

-Mothers who abort rape babies are going to hell

-God means for women to be raped

-And he wants them to have their rape babies

-Obama isn't a U.S. citizen

-George W. Bush was right about everything

-Jesus was white, like in the paintings
 
2013-03-13 02:50:47 PM

quickdraw: BarkingUnicorn: quickdraw: BarkingUnicorn: Women who say, "It's men's  problem... I shouldn't have to change..." remind me of the granny who totaled my car years ago.

If you wanted to rape her then yes I would say that is your problem.

After hearing that, I wanted to rape her with my car's steering column.  But I didn't.

well then... yeah. You have a problem.


I have a problem because I didn't rape a woman.  You are seriously farked in the head.
 
2013-03-13 02:51:04 PM

hardinparamedic: DerAppie: /seriously, why are men responsible while the woman is seen as the victim?

Might have to do with the fact that rape is a crime of power and control being generally accepted by the psychiatric community at large as the motivation, and not because the guy hasn't had his balls drained in the last few weeks.

DerAppie: If an 19 year old female goes to a party and has an undefined number of beers and then accepts the offer for sex from one of the male attending the party (who is also drunk) she doesn't get to claim rape as far as I'm concerned. Assuming no person slipped her something without her knowledge ofcourse. Any defense against this kind if "rape" would be: "But I was drunk to therefore she raped me." But since you'd get laughed out of the courtroom all the way to jail we'll never see that happen.

Maybe, and this is JUST a maybe here, knowing that the legal system is stacked against you to begin with, you shouldn't go fark random drunk girls who your knowledge of them is that they've giggled for twenty minutes over their beer.

I know. Keeping it in your pants is such a WEIRD concept.


Easier said than done if you're already thrice as drunk as the girl. In that case they look downright sober, you know.
 
2013-03-13 02:51:21 PM
Oh, I smell irony.
 
2013-03-13 02:51:48 PM
How rare.  A rape derp-fest with no republican involvement.
 
2013-03-13 02:58:17 PM

hardinparamedic: Maybe, and this is JUST a maybe here, knowing that the legal system is stacked against you to begin with, you shouldn't go fark random drunk girls who your knowledge of them is that they've giggled for twenty minutes over their beer.


Knowing that "the risks" are stacked against women for rape why not apply the same advice about hanging out and drinking with guys you don't knwo well?
 
2013-03-13 03:02:40 PM

BarkingUnicorn: quickdraw: BarkingUnicorn: quickdraw: BarkingUnicorn: Women who say, "It's men's  problem... I shouldn't have to change..." remind me of the granny who totaled my car years ago.

If you wanted to rape her then yes I would say that is your problem.

After hearing that, I wanted to rape her with my car's steering column.  But I didn't.

well then... yeah. You have a problem.

I have a problem because I didn't rape a woman.  You are seriously farked in the head.


That's not what I said at all. So it appears you have two problems.

1. Reading comprehension
2. A predilection for rape fantasies.
 
2013-03-13 03:04:45 PM

quickdraw: BarkingUnicorn: quickdraw: BarkingUnicorn: quickdraw: BarkingUnicorn: Women who say, "It's men's  problem... I shouldn't have to change..." remind me of the granny who totaled my car years ago.

If you wanted to rape her then yes I would say that is your problem.

After hearing that, I wanted to rape her with my car's steering column.  But I didn't.

well then... yeah. You have a problem.

I have a problem because I didn't rape a woman.  You are seriously farked in the head.

That's not what I said at all. So it appears you have two problems.

1. Reading comprehension
2. A predilection for rape fantasies.


3.  I take correspondents seriously for too long.
 
2013-03-13 03:07:38 PM

hardinparamedic: Maybe, and this is JUST a maybe here, knowing that the legal system is stacked against you to begin with, you shouldn't go fark random drunk girls who your knowledge of them is that they've giggled for twenty minutes over their beer.

I know. Keeping it in your pants is such a WEIRD concept.


I shouldn't have to change the way I live my life because women are unable to take responsibility for their choices. That is the WOMAN'S problem, not mine. I could have consensual sex with 1000 women at an orgy and it still wouldn't give a woman the right to withdraw consent after the fact. Telling men to keep it in their pants and not go to parties and not hit on drunk chicks will probably stop a tiny percentage of false rape accusations but I've got a super cool idea: instead of "educating" men on how to change their lives to avoid getting accused of rape, how about teaching women to stop treating the cops like their personal vengeance squad to do with what they wish? Or is that too much to ask?
 
2013-03-13 03:21:30 PM

umad: hardinparamedic: Maybe, and this is JUST a maybe here, knowing that the legal system is stacked against you to begin with, you shouldn't go fark random drunk girls who your knowledge of them is that they've giggled for twenty minutes over their beer.

I know. Keeping it in your pants is such a WEIRD concept.

I shouldn't have to change the way I live my life because women are unable to take responsibility for their choices. That is the WOMAN'S problem, not mine. I could have consensual sex with 1000 women at an orgy and it still wouldn't give a woman the right to withdraw consent after the fact. Telling men to keep it in their pants and not go to parties and not hit on drunk chicks will probably stop a tiny percentage of false rape accusations but I've got a super cool idea: instead of "educating" men on how to change their lives to avoid getting accused of rape, how about teaching women to stop treating the cops like their personal vengeance squad to do with what they wish? Or is that too much to ask?


Funny how you get mad (umad, LOL!) when I tell you the same thing that women have been told throughout this thread.

That pie. Taste humble?
 
2013-03-13 03:22:33 PM

hardinparamedic: Yeah, why shouldn't colleges, who have a vested interest in making rape cases disappear - both for public image/funding and for protecting certain fraternity members and interests - handle their own rape cases?

It's not like School Administrators and campus police have never been openly hostile, or threatened rape victims to shut their mouth, right?

Or, uh, threatened to expel them?

Or completely, utterly botched rape cases?


Now that my TF sub has lapsed is it uncool for me to declare a thread "done in one"? Even though I've got nothing against everything else  posted in this thread...
 
2013-03-13 03:25:08 PM

hardinparamedic: Funny how you get mad (umad, LOL!) when I tell you the same thing that women have been told throughout this thread.


I'm not mad. Like you, I am simply incapable of separating the group from the individual. Therefore all women are false rape accusers. Your gender just can't be trusted.
 
2013-03-13 03:27:41 PM

lordaction: hardinparamedic: lordaction: When you don't have facts I guess you have to attack the individual.

When the individual is an absurd liar with a history of posting things that would make even the most simple of person laugh in their face, and their profile, up until last week was filled with bizarre religious scripture, yes.

Since you are so completely wrong on my stances, let me just make them really clear for you.


-God created Adam and Eve NOT ADAM AND STEVE

-The devil continues to tempt you all with the forbidden fruit, just as he tempted Eve, that's why you are atheists/Satanists

-Science is just an opinion

-Evolution doesn't real

-Jesus fed dinosaurs

-God put fossils in the Earth just to trick you

-Dawkins is the antichrist, no wonder you worship him

-You can  only be good with God

-Church should be taught in school

-Church should be everyday

-Priests should be judges in every court

-Obama is the other antichrist

-Babies should be allowed to carry guns

-Mothers who abort rape babies are going to hell

-God means for women to be raped

-And he wants them to have their rape babies

-Obama isn't a U.S. citizen

-George W. Bush was right about everything

-Jesus was white, like in the paintings


I needed a good laugh, and Lo! One was sent.
 
2013-03-13 03:29:38 PM

YoungLochinvar: Easier said than done if you're already thrice as drunk as the girl. In that case they look downright sober, you know.


So what you're saying is that men are animals, devoid of personal responsibility and self-control, who are unable to stop themselves from getting so drunk they lose control of the situation, and get taken advantage of by the sex they like to portray as weak, helpless, and less worthy of respect?

Damn. Self-respect, dude. Self respect.

liam76: Knowing that "the risks" are stacked against women for rape why not apply the same advice about hanging out and drinking with guys you don't knwo well?


Probably because the statistics tell us that violence and sexual assault against men are almost never reported - and when done so are either treated with laughter and joking (Women rapes a man) or the person's told they just regret teh ghei (man rapes a man), follow different predatory patterns, and that male on male sexual violence tends to be rare despite what the focus on the family folks want to tell you?

Remember, Liam,  regret isn't rape. That's what's been repeated multiple times in this thread.  Regret isn't rape. Because,  everyone knows that the real issue is some campus slut is mad that she got banged while drunk, and just wants revenge. Despite the fact, depending on the literature and the organization putting it out, that only four to eighteen percent of rape cases are "false" or "regret" reporting.

So. Just because you feel bad about your ETOH fueled, cock-hungry gay trist with Ned the Frat brother who paddled you a little TOO hard in pledge week, it's not Rape, Liam. Shame on you for making it up.
 
2013-03-13 03:30:50 PM

umad: I'm not mad. Like you, I am simply incapable of separating the group from the individual. Therefore all women are false rape accusers. Your gender just can't be trusted.


Men can't be trusted. Damn. The neofeminists won.

weknowmemes.com
 
2013-03-13 03:32:20 PM

hardinparamedic: umad: I'm not mad. Like you, I am simply incapable of separating the group from the individual. Therefore all women are false rape accusers. Your gender just can't be trusted.

Men can't be trusted. Damn. The neofeminists won.

[weknowmemes.com image 431x254]


I never said you were a man.
 
2013-03-13 03:34:13 PM

umad: I never said you were a man.


No. You made a silly little claim about the exception defining the rule, rather than the rule having exceptions, and then inferred I thought that way because I was supposedly a woman.
 
2013-03-13 03:35:31 PM
s18.postimage.org
Council: I feel a vote at this time would be premature.
Rape Victim: Premature?
Council: Yes.  Instead, I'm going to organize a special blue ribbon, fact-finding commission made up of myself and Miss Betty Childs.  We will get to the bottom of this dastardly deed.
Rape Victim: You can't get away with this!
Council: I'm afraid I can.  Only the president of the Geek council can call a vote.
Rape Victim: That's unfair.
Council: Meeting adjourned.
 
2013-03-13 03:44:51 PM

DerAppie: /seriously, why are men responsible while the woman is seen as the victim?


Because penis.
 
2013-03-13 03:56:35 PM
Oh sure, hand it over the the Greek council -- they did a bang-up job with the Euro...
 
2013-03-13 04:04:26 PM

hardinparamedic: umad: I never said you were a man.

No. You made a silly little claim about the exception defining the rule, rather than the rule having exceptions, and then inferred I thought that way because I was supposedly a woman.


No. I generalized about women because you generalized about men to show you that your argument is retarded.
 
2013-03-13 04:09:52 PM

hardinparamedic: umad: I never said you were a man.

No. You made a silly little claim about the exception defining the rule, rather than the rule having exceptions, and then inferred I thought that way because I was supposedly a woman.


And just FYI, being a rapist is every bit the exception to the rule as being a false accuser is. Funny you only care when one of them is misrepresented.
 
2013-03-13 04:14:51 PM
"Pop quiz: what major felony should be investigated and adjudicated by amateurs, in secret, without subpoena powers, a right to representation, or any kind of due process controls?
Did you say rape? If so, you probably work in university student affairs, where mock justice systems have been pretending to adjudicate sexual assault cases for decades. And it's time for that to stop."


Can't disagree with that.
 
2013-03-13 04:16:33 PM
I'm not sure why colleges shouldn't handle their own "rapes." The military handles its "rapes" on its own, and doesn't seem to think there's a problem. Are you questioning the wisdom of the military? If so, why do you hate America?
 
2013-03-13 04:24:58 PM

stonicus: Council: I feel a vote at this time would be premature.
Rape Victim: Premature?
Council: Yes.  Instead, I'm going to organize a special blue ribbon, fact-finding commission made up of myself and Miss Betty Childs.  We will get to the bottom of this dastardly deed.
Rape Victim: You can't get away with this!
Council: I'm afraid I can.  Only the president of the Geek council can call a vote.
Rape Victim: That's unfair.
Council: Meeting adjourned.


But Betty Childs IS a rape victim... her consent to the acts on the moon bounce were obtained through deception.
 
2013-03-13 04:33:27 PM

vicioushobbit: lordaction


I needed a good laugh, and Lo! One was sent.

Ditto.

It's kind of like Fundy Theatre. Whether sincere or a troll (or a joke), it's still funny shiat.
 
2013-03-13 05:56:09 PM

lordaction: That is farking absurd given that half of all rape accusations are false.


5% in the UK, according to Rape Crisis today. What evidence do you have to support 50%?
 
2013-03-13 05:59:17 PM

Marcus Aurelius: And by the way, in the armed forces, more men are raped (in sheer numbers) than women.  It's not about sex, it's about violence and power.


If it's not about sex, why not just a physical beating?
 
2013-03-13 06:03:48 PM
hardinparamedic: ...male on male sexual violence tends to be rare despite what the focus on the family folks want to tell you?

Prisons? Armed forces?
 
2013-03-13 06:06:54 PM

tlars699: hardinparamedic: the801: and i so don't want to sound 'blame the victim' here, 'cause rape is bad and rapists are responsible, but maybe "hey lets go to a frat party tonight! they have tons of booze, which we're mostly pretty inexperienced with, and they usually have some great drugs, and they're mostly good looking guys we would get to party with, and our late-adolescent sexual desires are aroused by the idea of partying with these good looking guys who will pay a lot of attention to us and give us free booze and drinks. and we sure don't want to have sex tonight, just a good time. par-tay!" isn't a wise choice when looking to avoid getting raped?

Great job sounding like "Not blaming the victim" when you said "If only those molded temptresses weren't there, the men wouldn't have gotten rapey!"

You are correct, that no man should be rapey. Ever.
But, really, defending idiotic girls who would insist on wearing miniskirts on New Year's Eve to outdoor "house" parties, who wish to partake in illegal activities, sponsored by older men for free... ? They have the right to be not raped, just as I have the right to not be robbed of a laptop that I leave in my unlocked car.
Even if I have that right, you still have the right to call me an idiot for allowing that situation to occur in the first place.

You can be completely capable of having fun on a campus, without making yourself a displayed sex object, whilst drinking with friends, and remain safe, and be able to choose which dude you prefer to sleep with. It's called table top gaming, or even a night of Halo.


This is pretty much where I'm at.  The victim is never to blame, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't take steps to mitigate risk.

If you're walking through southwest Detroit at 3am wearing a gold Rolex while counting out $100 bills and get mugged, the only person who deserves blame is the mugger but that doesn't mean you aren't an idiot.  Same with rape.  If a woman goes to a frat party wearing her sluttiest fark-me dress with and gets sloppy drunk with a bunch of strange men, is it her fault when she gets raped?  Of course not.  She should be able to do these things without risk of being attacked just like the person walking through SW Detroit counting money should be able to do so without being mugged.  The fault rests entirely with the attacker.  Is she to blame?  No.  Is what happened acceptable?  No.  Do I care or have any sympathy?  No.  It's a predictable outcome to a series of bad decisions.
 
2013-03-13 06:22:16 PM

DerAppie: hardinparamedic: DerAppie: /seriously, why are men responsible while the woman is seen as the victim?

Might have to do with the fact that rape is a crime of power and control being generally accepted by the psychiatric community at large as the motivation, and not because the guy hasn't had his balls drained in the last few weeks.

DerAppie: If an 19 year old female goes to a party and has an undefined number of beers and then accepts the offer for sex from one of the male attending the party (who is also drunk) she doesn't get to claim rape as far as I'm concerned. Assuming no person slipped her something without her knowledge ofcourse. Any defense against this kind if "rape" would be: "But I was drunk to therefore she raped me." But since you'd get laughed out of the courtroom all the way to jail we'll never see that happen.

Maybe, and this is JUST a maybe here, knowing that the legal system is stacked against you to begin with, you shouldn't go fark random drunk girls who your knowledge of them is that they've giggled for twenty minutes over their beer.

I know. Keeping it in your pants is such a WEIRD concept.

Yes, because drunk people are so well known for their well thought out actions. Being drunk seriously impairs your ability to judge the level of impairment in others. So once again, if a drunk man and a drunk woman have sex, why should the woman be the victim of rape and the man a rapist? If it is the man's responsibility to keep it in his pants, why isn't it the woman's responsibility to keep her panties on?

Once again, only applicable when said impairment is the consequence of the person's own decision.


You hit the nail on the head.  I've never understood how people can claim to be feminists/egalitarians and yet not see how obviously degrading this double standard is for women.  To say that intoxicated women are unable to give consent but intoxicated men are just perpetuates the stereotype that women are weak and need protection.

I used to work in law enforcement and I can tell you that we frequently had to explain to women that being pestered into having sex or having sex when you're drunk and regretting it the next day is NOT rape.  The only time someone is too inebriated to give consent is when they're literally too inebriated to give consent, as in unable to express consent verbally or otherwise.  A woman can be blackout drunk, stumbling and falling over, and still consent to sex as long as she's coherent enough to express that consent.  I don't know why this is so difficult for people to understand.

I remember once where we actually apprehended a group of marines for supposedly "raping" some dependent spouse while her service-member was deployed.  One of them had a cell phone video depicting her engaged in obviously consensual sex with this group of marines.  I won't go into too much detail, but suffice to say it's hard to scream "Give it to me devil dogs!" with a mouthful of cock.  Showing her the video, explaining to her that she was a lying whore, and charging her for the false report were deeply satisfying.
 
2013-03-13 06:23:23 PM

stonicus: [s18.postimage.org image 425x233]
Council: I feel a vote at this time would be premature.
Rape Victim: Premature?
Council: Yes.  Instead, I'm going to organize a special blue ribbon, fact-finding commission made up of myself and Miss Betty Childs.  We will get to the bottom of this dastardly deed.
Rape Victim: You can't get away with this!
Council: I'm afraid I can.  Only the president of the Geek council can call a vote.
Rape Victim: That's unfair.
Council: Meeting adjourned.


Came for the Revenge of the Nerds reference.
 
2013-03-13 06:44:14 PM
Why is this even a question? Of course the criminal justice system should handle these!
 
2013-03-13 06:44:35 PM

JesusJuice: I remember once where we actually apprehended a group of marines for supposedly "raping" some dependent spouse while her service-member was deployed. One of them had a cell phone video depicting her engaged in obviously consensual sex with this group of marines. I won't go into too much detail, but suffice to say it's hard to scream "Give it to me devil dogs!" with a mouthful of cock. Showing her the video, explaining to her that she was a lying whore, and charging her for the false report were deeply satisfying.


Well, there you go!  Record every fark and there won't be any problems.
 
2013-03-13 06:44:52 PM

JesusJuice: DerAppie: hardinparamedic: DerAppie: /seriously, why are men responsible while the woman is seen as the victim?

Might have to do with the fact that rape is a crime of power and control being generally accepted by the psychiatric community at large as the motivation, and not because the guy hasn't had his balls drained in the last few weeks.

DerAppie: If an 19 year old female goes to a party and has an undefined number of beers and then accepts the offer for sex from one of the male attending the party (who is also drunk) she doesn't get to claim rape as far as I'm concerned. Assuming no person slipped her something without her knowledge ofcourse. Any defense against this kind if "rape" would be: "But I was drunk to therefore she raped me." But since you'd get laughed out of the courtroom all the way to jail we'll never see that happen.

Maybe, and this is JUST a maybe here, knowing that the legal system is stacked against you to begin with, you shouldn't go fark random drunk girls who your knowledge of them is that they've giggled for twenty minutes over their beer.

I know. Keeping it in your pants is such a WEIRD concept.

Yes, because drunk people are so well known for their well thought out actions. Being drunk seriously impairs your ability to judge the level of impairment in others. So once again, if a drunk man and a drunk woman have sex, why should the woman be the victim of rape and the man a rapist? If it is the man's responsibility to keep it in his pants, why isn't it the woman's responsibility to keep her panties on?

Once again, only applicable when said impairment is the consequence of the person's own decision.

You hit the nail on the head.  I've never understood how people can claim to be feminists/egalitarians and yet not see how obviously degrading this double standard is for women.  To say that intoxicated women are unable to give consent but intoxicated men are just perpetuates the stereotype that women are weak and need protection.

I used t ...


I pose this question in every rape thread. I have never gotten an answer. It mostly ends with a lot of vitrol about me defending rapists and being a misogynist. If I´m lucky I´ll make some people think about what is going on, but this being the internet no one is going to admit to changing his or her mind.
 
2013-03-13 07:00:59 PM

lordaction: I find it frightening how upset you get that I speak out for the rights of the innocent rapists.


Typical Republican then?
 
2013-03-13 07:07:34 PM
Anyone who gets raped and then goes to the college or university instead of the police is a moron.  You call the cops first, then notifiy the school if it happened on campus, thus avoiding any potential bullshiat from a school scared of tarnishing its good name.
 
2013-03-13 07:15:44 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Well, there you go!  Record every fark and there won't be any problems.


Waaaay ahead o' ya.
 
2013-03-13 07:17:57 PM
The Greek System was invented so that guys who cannot get drunk or laid on their own had a chance to do so
 
2013-03-13 07:20:47 PM
www.chicagonow.com
This is relevant to my interests...
 
2013-03-13 07:24:54 PM
Duke Lacrosse
 
2013-03-13 07:33:30 PM

DerAppie: /seriously, why are men responsible while the woman is seen as the victim?


Because it is fairly difficult to get a boner while completely smashed, especially if you're passed out.  Since a boner is required for sex to occur, that would suggest it is unlikely that the dude was completely smashed - and very improbable that he was passed out.  The girl, on the other hand, can be dead, passed out, whatever - doesn't stop the sex from happening.

Glad to have cleared that up for you.  Next problem plaguing your poor little tortured soul?
 
2013-03-13 07:42:52 PM
tlars699:You are correct, that no man should be rapey. Ever.
But, really, defending idiotic girls who would insist on wearing miniskirts on New Year's Eve to outdoor "house" parties, who wish to partake in illegal activities, sponsored by older men for free... ? They have the right to be not raped, just as I have the right to not be robbed of a laptop that I leave in my unlocked car.
Even if I have that right, you still have the right to call me an idiot for allowing that situation to occur in the first place.

You can be completely capable of having fun on a campus, without making yourself a displayed sex object, whilst drinking with friends, and remain safe, and be able to choose which dude you prefer to sleep with. It's called table top gaming, or even a night of Halo.


You are correct that looking at a hot girl makes you think about sex. Congratulations on being a normal hetero male.

But in both abstract studies and interviews with convicted rapists, what the rapists were looking for wasn't that at all. It was certain kinds of vulnerability that turns them on. At these parties, it's specifically a social vulnerability; they pick out the girls who can be separated from the herd: The shy one in the corner who only came to the party because her friends dragged her, then promptly abandoned her. She's probably dressed more librarian than slut, but she's the one who'll get raped if she gets drunk enough. The semi-pro party girls you're talking about normally watch out for each other.

Weirdly, the majority of rapists have no idea how their victim was dressed. They honestly never even noticed. The exceptions are the "fetish rapists", who select their victims solely because of some physical characteristic or clothing item they're wearing.

Rapists don't see women at all the way I do. I find that reassuring.
 
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