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(The New York Times)   Should the criminal justice system handle rape cases on college campuses or should they be left to the colleges' Greek Councils to handle?   (nytimes.com) divider line 177
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2013-03-13 11:40:04 AM  
Yeah, why shouldn't colleges, who have a vested interest in making rape cases disappear - both for public image/funding and for protecting certain fraternity members and interests - handle their own rape cases?

It's not like School Administrators and campus police have never been openly hostile, or threatened rape victims to shut their mouth, right?

Or, uh, threatened to expel them?

Or completely, utterly botched rape cases?
 
2013-03-13 12:05:18 PM  
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 But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
 
2013-03-13 12:17:53 PM  
Should the criminal justice system handle rape cases at Catholic Churches or should they be left to the upper ups at the Catholic Church to handle?
 
2013-03-13 12:20:03 PM  
This pic works on so many different levels...
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2013-03-13 12:24:02 PM  
To even ask this question in the serious way should result to a swift kick in your groin (or breasts), subby.
 
2013-03-13 12:35:21 PM  
Perhaps the universities could issue some sort of letter, a Greek letter, maybe, to women are bringing rape charges. The women could then wear those letters as a way of raising awareness of the profound issues surrounding rape that exist on campus. This could become an invaluable way for institutions of higher learning to help their students learn how to navigate complicated issues of adult sexuality, and also help young men know which women really mean "no" when they say it. There could even be a slogan: See a letter on her chest, listen to her request. It could all help reduce a lot of needless suffering.
 
2013-03-13 12:37:11 PM  
Do you mean before or after the Tri-Lambs took over?
 
2013-03-13 12:38:52 PM  
Quick pic of the college Greek council

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2013-03-13 12:39:25 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Perhaps the universities could issue some sort of letter, a Greek letter, maybe, to women are bringing rape charges. The women could then wear those letters as a way of raising awareness of the profound issues surrounding rape that exist on campus. This could become an invaluable way for institutions of higher learning to help their students learn how to navigate complicated issues of adult sexuality, and also help young men know which women really mean "no" when they say it. There could even be a slogan: See a letter on her chest, listen to her request. It could all help reduce a lot of needless suffering.


Hmm. I see your point. These women would be leaders in the community, or alpha-females. So maybe we could simply go with Alpha. Since many of these women are staying "no", or "stop", red would be a natural color for them to wear.

So a large red Alpha on their chest would probably work best.
 
2013-03-13 12:39:49 PM  
Are we talking gay fraternity sodomy?  That's consensual, right?
 
2013-03-13 12:40:35 PM  
Why don't we let the Catholics handle it?  They seem to be doing a great job so far.
 
2013-03-13 12:41:04 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Perhaps the universities could issue some sort of letter, a Greek letter, maybe, to women are bringing rape charges. The women could then wear those letters as a way of raising awareness of the profound issues surrounding rape that exist on campus. This could become an invaluable way for institutions of higher learning to help their students learn how to navigate complicated issues of adult sexuality, and also help young men know which women really mean "no" when they say it. There could even be a slogan: See a letter on her chest, listen to her request. It could all help reduce a lot of needless suffering.


This could be helped by making the letter the color of stop signs, in order to encourage people to pause and ask, and making it the first letter of the greek alphabet would keep the idea first and foremost in their mind.
 
2013-03-13 12:42:15 PM  
Wait a minute here, are we talking about legitimate rape?
 
2013-03-13 12:42:30 PM  

Bontesla: To even ask this question in the serious way should result to a swift kick in your groin (or breasts), subby.


What happened to equality? You know as well as I do that women have a similar corresponding weak spot.

I won't mention it, because I am a gentleman.
 
2013-03-13 12:42:48 PM  
 "We'll work up a Number 6 on 'em. "
"'Number 6'"? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that one. "
 "Well, that's where we go a-ridin' into town, a-whompin' and a-whumpin' every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course. "
"You spare the women? "
 "Naw, we rape the shiat out of them at the Number Six Dance later on. "
 "Marvelous! "
 
2013-03-13 12:43:13 PM  

Sliding Carp:  But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!


NERDS!
 
2013-03-13 12:43:41 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Bontesla: To even ask this question in the serious way should result to a swift kick in your groin (or breasts), subby.

What happened to equality? You know as well as I do that women have a similar corresponding weak spot.

I won't mention it, because I am a gentleman.


I thought their weak spot was all over?
 
2013-03-13 12:43:47 PM  
It all depends if anal was involved.
 
2013-03-13 12:44:52 PM  
See that man over there, we arrested him for mopery.

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2013-03-13 12:44:58 PM  
Doesn't that pretty much become moot if a victim goes to a hospital and have a forensic examination?  Wouldn't that automatically make it law enforcement's responsibility?

/granted there should still be resources for victims who want the support network without the authorities involved
 
2013-03-13 12:45:36 PM  

MadMonk: Wait a minute here, are we talking about legitimate rape?


It's at a college, so about 50/50.

Remarkable number of pregnant "rape victims" on my alma mater's campus. Almost all seemed to be attacked by a stranger on the street at night. You know, the statistical opposite of how rape normally occurs.
 
2013-03-13 12:48:34 PM  
Put Neidermayer on it, he's a sneaky little shiat.
 
2013-03-13 12:49:04 PM  
How about butt-chugging?  Has anyone considered that?
 
2013-03-13 12:49:26 PM  
frat boys already have a lot of experience with rape; i say we leave it to the pros.

ftfa: "The two processes are not mutually exclusive: survivors can take action through both their college disciplinary systems and the criminal justice system and, indeed, colleges should inform and educate them about their right to do so. "

i feel especially sorry for the ones who didn't survive...

and i so don't want to sound 'blame the victim' here, 'cause rape is bad and rapists are responsible, but maybe "hey lets go to a frat party tonight! they have tons of booze, which we're mostly pretty inexperienced with, and they usually have some great drugs, and they're mostly good looking guys we would get to party with, and our late-adolescent sexual desires are aroused by the idea of partying with these good looking guys who will pay a lot of attention to us and give us free booze and drinks. and we sure don't want to have sex tonight, just a good time. par-tay!" isn't a wise choice when looking to avoid getting raped?
 
2013-03-13 12:50:10 PM  
Because no college administrator would ever rule based on an agenda rather than the facts, right?

Catherine Comins, assistant dean of student life at Vassar, also sees some value in this loose use of 'rape.' She says angry victims of various forms of sexual intimidation cry rape to regain their sense of power. 'To use the word carefully would be to be careful for the sake of the violator, and the survivors don't care a hoot about him.' Comins argues that men who are unjustly accused can sometimes gain from the experience. 'They have a lot of pain, but it is not a pain that I would necessarily have spared them'.
 
2013-03-13 12:52:49 PM  
No facepalm is big enough for this article.
 
2013-03-13 12:54:41 PM  
I wonder what those who think it should be left to the colleges, think about Sh'ia law as an alternative to the laws by which the rest of us are theoritically governed.

How is it even an *option* to not be held accountable by the regular criminal system?
 
2013-03-13 12:54:52 PM  

Jake Havechek: Are we talking gay fraternity sodomy?  That's consensual, right?


The butt-chugging one sure was funny
 
2013-03-13 12:55:15 PM  

mike_d85: MadMonk: Wait a minute here, are we talking about legitimate rape?

It's at a college, so about 50/50.

Remarkable number of pregnant "rape victims" on my alma mater's campus. Almost all seemed to be attacked by a stranger on the street at night. You know, the statistical opposite of how rape normally occurs.


I prefer rape rape to legitimate rape. And we know all of those women are lying whores because you can't get pregnant from rape. I know all I learned about rape on the politics tab!

/fark needs a rape tab
//rape
 
2013-03-13 12:58:10 PM  

the801: isn't a wise choice when looking to avoid getting raped


do you *seriously* never want to go out and just have fun?  Or maybe, I dunno, get to mutually choose/consent to who you have sex with?  Farking idiot.  For fark's sake, I go out and party quite often, I just happen to have a dick instead of a vagina.  Am I asking for it too, though?
 
2013-03-13 12:59:48 PM  

the801: frat boys already have a lot of experience with rape; i say we leave it to the pros.

ftfa: "The two processes are not mutually exclusive: survivors can take action through both their college disciplinary systems and the criminal justice system and, indeed, colleges should inform and educate them about their right to do so. "

i feel especially sorry for the ones who didn't survive...

and i so don't want to sound 'blame the victim' here, 'cause rape is bad and rapists are responsible, but maybe "hey lets go to a frat party tonight! they have tons of booze, which we're mostly pretty inexperienced with, and they usually have some great drugs, and they're mostly good looking guys we would get to party with, and our late-adolescent sexual desires are aroused by the idea of partying with these good looking guys who will pay a lot of attention to us and give us free booze and drinks. and we sure don't want to have sex tonight, just a good time. par-tay!" isn't a wise choice when looking to avoid getting raped?


You are correct, sir. It's not really a good idea to go to these events if I want to completely avoid being raped, but you are forgetting sir, that: 1. They are inexperienced. 2. Nobody should be raping in the first place. 3. All of the above you have mentioned should not be happening on a campus, as most of that list is illegal.
 
2013-03-13 12:59:58 PM  
 
2013-03-13 01:00:37 PM  

IamAwake: I wonder what those who think it should be left to the colleges, think about Sh'ia law as an alternative to the laws by which the rest of us are theoritically governed.

How is it even an *option* to not be held accountable by the regular criminal system?


Because in most areas of the United States, public campuses are considered their own separate jurisdiction above and beyond the local police department. They are under no obligation, usually, to consult them for anything or ask for help.

They also are under the financial control of the colleges themselves, meaning that college administration has the ability to pressure them whether to turn a case over to the local DA for prosecution or not. What you'll find often times is that campus police will discourage rape victims from filing formal reports, or encourage them to bring the offenders to the student/facility disciplinary councils, who will hand down token punishments which don't change a damn thing.
 
2013-03-13 01:01:34 PM  
Four women's answer:  "We want it both ways."
 
2013-03-13 01:01:51 PM  
The proper venue for rape accusations is the legal system. Period. Next issue.
 
2013-03-13 01:02:07 PM  

the801: frat boys already have a lot of experience with rape; i say we leave it to the pros.

ftfa: "The two processes are not mutually exclusive: survivors can take action through both their college disciplinary systems and the criminal justice system and, indeed, colleges should inform and educate them about their right to do so. "

i feel especially sorry for the ones who didn't survive...

and i so don't want to sound 'blame the victim' here, 'cause rape is bad and rapists are responsible, but maybe "hey lets go to a frat party tonight! they have tons of booze, which we're mostly pretty inexperienced with, and they usually have some great drugs, and they're mostly good looking guys we would get to party with, and our late-adolescent sexual desires are aroused by the idea of partying with these good looking guys who will pay a lot of attention to us and give us free booze and drinks. and we sure don't want to have sex tonight, just a good time. par-tay!" isn't a wise choice when looking to avoid getting raped?


Ahh yes. To the Burka store!
 
2013-03-13 01:04:32 PM  
How stupid.

Up next: Pedobear is chief justice in child molestation cases.
 
2013-03-13 01:05:31 PM  

the801: and i so don't want to sound 'blame the victim' here, 'cause rape is bad and rapists are responsible, but maybe "hey lets go to a frat party tonight! they have tons of booze, which we're mostly pretty inexperienced with, and they usually have some great drugs, and they're mostly good looking guys we would get to party with, and our late-adolescent sexual desires are aroused by the idea of partying with these good looking guys who will pay a lot of attention to us and give us free booze and drinks. and we sure don't want to have sex tonight, just a good time. par-tay!" isn't a wise choice when looking to avoid getting raped?


Great job sounding like "Not blaming the victim" when you said "If only those molded temptresses weren't there, the men wouldn't have gotten rapey!"
 
2013-03-13 01:08:11 PM  
Yeah, I can see how this turns out:

ER doctor:  "You were gang-raped by six frat brothers.  Why didn't you report this to campus security?"

Rape Victim:  "Because then there would be more of them."
 
2013-03-13 01:08:52 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Four women's answer:  "We want it both ways."


Yep. The feminists are just like any other crackpot special interest group - "give us everything we want and f*ck everyone else." NOW, PETA, MADD, etc. just don't have an ounce of credibility, and once lost, it's almost impossible to regain.
 
2013-03-13 01:09:14 PM  

mainstreet62: How stupid.

Up next: Pedobear is chief justice in child molestation cases.


But I want that Shota Dragon or whatever to fill that post.
 
2013-03-13 01:11:57 PM  

ZMugg: Sometimes it works both ways.


I think I know why this went so badly for him.

"They talk a little more, exchange phone numbers, and she goes back to her dorm. [x] Three weeks later, the man receives word that he is being brought up on charges before the UDC. "

Insert at the [x]: The man did not call her at any time after that night.
 
2013-03-13 01:12:37 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Yep. The feminists are just like any other crackpot special interest group - "give us everything we want and f*ck everyone else." NOW, PETA, MADD, etc. just don't have an ounce of credibility, and once lost, it's almost impossible to regain.


lovetoedit.files.wordpress.com

I believe the term you're looking for is misandrist. Feminism =/= Misandry.
 
2013-03-13 01:14:46 PM  

hardinparamedic: the801: and i so don't want to sound 'blame the victim' here, 'cause rape is bad and rapists are responsible, but maybe "hey lets go to a frat party tonight! they have tons of booze, which we're mostly pretty inexperienced with, and they usually have some great drugs, and they're mostly good looking guys we would get to party with, and our late-adolescent sexual desires are aroused by the idea of partying with these good looking guys who will pay a lot of attention to us and give us free booze and drinks. and we sure don't want to have sex tonight, just a good time. par-tay!" isn't a wise choice when looking to avoid getting raped?

Great job sounding like "Not blaming the victim" when you said "If only those molded temptresses weren't there, the men wouldn't have gotten rapey!"


You are correct, that no man should be rapey. Ever.
But, really, defending idiotic girls who would insist on wearing miniskirts on New Year's Eve to outdoor "house" parties, who wish to partake in illegal activities, sponsored by older men for free... ? They have the right to be not raped, just as I have the right to not be robbed of a laptop that I leave in my unlocked car.
Even if I have that right, you still have the right to call me an idiot for allowing that situation to occur in the first place.

You can be completely capable of having fun on a campus, without making yourself a displayed sex object, whilst drinking with friends, and remain safe, and be able to choose which dude you prefer to sleep with. It's called table top gaming, or even a night of Halo.
 
2013-03-13 01:14:53 PM  
Acts of depravity so foul thatdecorum prevents me from listing them here.
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2013-03-13 01:15:21 PM  
Time for the weekly Fark anti-greek thread again? Wonderful. I'll start with the obligatory:

You all need to stop being so bitter about not getting a bid. Colleges have issues with rape culture, not only greek systems. The best way to fix these issues is education and bystander intervention on the part of brothers and sisters in greek organizations, and independents willing to take the training classes to actually know what bystander intervention is and how to properly help out without escalating the situation.

Or, you know, you can just keep accusing every guy in greek life of being a rapist. Whatever floats your desperate, bitter boat.
 
2013-03-13 01:16:30 PM  

mike_d85: MadMonk: Wait a minute here, are we talking about legitimate rape?

It's at a college, so about 50/50.

Remarkable number of pregnant "rape victims" on my alma mater's campus. Almost all seemed to be attacked by a stranger on the street at night. You know, the statistical opposite of how rape normally occurs.


Let me guess, a Christian school?
 
2013-03-13 01:17:53 PM  

IamAwake: the801: isn't a wise choice when looking to avoid getting raped

do you *seriously* never want to go out and just have fun?  Or maybe, I dunno, get to mutually choose/consent to who you have sex with?  Farking idiot.  For fark's sake, I go out and party quite often, I just happen to have a dick instead of a vagina.  Am I asking for it too, though?


oh yeah, i mean, i knew that might be taken offensively but it wasn't meant to be, like i said, rape is bad and it's the rapist's fault entirely. no one is 'asking to be raped' by going to a frat party and drinking too much. it's just maybe if you're looking to go out and have fun while minimizing the chance of rape then going to rape central and (in most rape cases at frats) getting all trashy on various substances isn't the best way to go about it. it's not that they're asking for it, they're just putting themselves in a known dangerous situation when it comes to rape avoidance. isn't it well known that there's a direct link between frat houses, especially their parties, and rape? such as that they're the rapiest places on college campuses that have a significant greek system? that's far from saying that it should happen or should be ignored or blamed on the raped person, it's just kinda basic harm reduction.

personally i think we should disband the entire greek system, and that all incidents of sexual misconduct at schools should be fully investigated and prosecuted by the established legal system.

and as i think tlars699 said, underage drinking and drug use is illegal but is always present at colleges, and generally openly accepted and ignored.
 
2013-03-13 01:17:54 PM  

tlars699: hardinparamedic: the801: and i so don't want to sound 'blame the victim' here, 'cause rape is bad and rapists are responsible, but maybe "hey lets go to a frat party tonight! they have tons of booze, which we're mostly pretty inexperienced with, and they usually have some great drugs, and they're mostly good looking guys we would get to party with, and our late-adolescent sexual desires are aroused by the idea of partying with these good looking guys who will pay a lot of attention to us and give us free booze and drinks. and we sure don't want to have sex tonight, just a good time. par-tay!" isn't a wise choice when looking to avoid getting raped?

Great job sounding like "Not blaming the victim" when you said "If only those molded temptresses weren't there, the men wouldn't have gotten rapey!"

You are correct, that no man should be rapey. Ever.
But, really, defending idiotic girls who would insist on wearing miniskirts on New Year's Eve to outdoor "house" parties, who wish to partake in illegal activities, sponsored by older men for free... ? They have the right to be not raped, just as I have the right to not be robbed of a laptop that I leave in my unlocked car.
Even if I have that right, you still have the right to call me an idiot for allowing that situation to occur in the first place.

You can be completely capable of having fun on a campus, without making yourself a displayed sex object, whilst drinking with friends, and remain safe, and be able to choose which dude you prefer to sleep with. It's called table top gaming, or even a night of Halo.


As someone who engages in both the greek party scene, and the table top gaming scene, good luck finding a girl to take home at the latter that isn't batshiat crazy. At least at a social I can meet 30 new girls, figure out which ones are crazy, and try and get to know the (more) normal ones better.
 
2013-03-13 01:17:55 PM  
Just put some windex....
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