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2013-03-13 01:07:36 PM  
4 votes:
It's stories like this when I miss Bush. No way liberals would be ok with this and sure as hell not get a "cool" tag on fark under Bush. Obama gets a free pass even when he's using Bush-era rights-shattering laws to do so.
2013-03-13 01:46:18 PM  
3 votes:
Rent Party: "That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers."

Slight problem in your outrage: the article is about commercial flight of unmanned vehicles in FAA controlled airspace.

The pictures in the article (and the one you posted as counterpoint to the scary reaper) are of very short range vehicles.
They're simply not going to get to an altitude where the FAA would have any say on whether they fly or not. (Excepting special cases like around airports, military bases, nuclear facilities, etc)

Ergo, they're not the ones that are issue here.
What's at issue, are things that will look much more like a predator, than those small drones.

They still won't have weapons, which is a key point.  But that doesn't make them harmless plastic toys either.
At the very least, they'll be carrying enough fuel at high enough speeds to be a non-trivial threat in and of themselves.
Particularly, when (apparently/demonstrably) not even defense drones are properly hardened against electronic warfare.
2013-03-13 01:42:36 PM  
2 votes:
If the LAPD can send more than 100 rounds into a truck and not kill the occupants, do you really want them piloting drones?

Where's the drone?  I wonder what all of those sparks are from that utility line over there?  Oops.  I have a feeling they'll be used to 'monitor' swimming pools more than find lost kids...
2013-03-13 01:34:49 PM  
2 votes:

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.


I would rather your kid sped the next 20 years footcuffed to a chair packing cocaine into bricks for the cartels than put a hovering camera in the hands of every greaseball pig in the country.
2013-03-13 01:32:10 PM  
2 votes:

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?  Shiat, I'm from one of the very few liberal cities in TX, and even they have the gilacompters flying around all day.  So, you would prefer drones instead of helicopters?  Is that what you are saying?  Moreover, are you also saying you would like drones hanging around perhaps eye spying people?  You sound like a Republican who likes military toys, but not a Republican who likes personal privacy...identity issues.

Oh, and for the record, I've voted for every Democratic candidate for the Presidency since 1988.  So fark you.  I'm just not a paranoid pants wetter, and I understand the difference between this

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

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That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


And I know the difference between the way search warrants were served twenty years ago and the way they are today.  When the police are given the ability to do something it is just a matter of time until that ability becomes a necessity in their minds.  And from there those "necessities" that are only needed to insure officer and public safety are made more lethal and turned into offensive weapons.  Great God in Heaven, what would happen if they didn't get to play with those toys every chance they got?
2013-03-13 01:02:40 PM  
2 votes:
Did you click the "cool" tag by mistake, or is it sarcasm?  Because I really feel the Dumbass tag is appropriate here.
2013-03-13 03:11:52 PM  
1 votes:
It will start out small, looking for lost children, wildfires etc. then build up to the next model with more sensors, non-lethal weapons. Then the big guns are added after a few years for your protection.
2013-03-13 02:36:39 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Jesus Christ, did you not read my boobies? I'm talking specifically about the pants wetting hippies in Seattle that caused this very useful police tool, which could have added to public safety at very low cost, away.

Your paranoia has made us all less safe. There was no intent to have those drones hovering over the city all the time spying on you. You're simply not that interesting.


If the Seattle PD wants us to let them have their toys then the motherfarkers will have to first prove to us that they won't abuse them like they abuse their other toys. They will shoot you for looking at them funny, so I have zero doubt that they would use drones when they aren't needed as well.

Until then, you, your alt, and the Seattle PD can all pound sand.
2013-03-13 02:28:39 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Ned Stark: Rent Party: LavenderWolf:
I've said it before, the drones will be used by insurance companies and tax collectors. Looking for people with untaxed or non-insurable items on their property. Google maps are only so helpful do to delay in updates from satellites.

There is absolutely no law on the books that stops insurance companies from using RC drones to do that right now.

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Seriously?  I fear corporate abuse of these things far more than I do state abuse by these things.    There *aught* to be a law preventing that.

Whats the matter, pants wetter? Would you prefer insurance agents driving down your street with cameras and telescopic lenses?

Given that an insurance agent is *far more likely* to do so, and that the repercussions of his doing so are *far more relevant* to my day to day life, it is far more concerning to me that this be prevented.

But you keep shiatting down your leg at the thought of those black helicopters taking away your freedomz. It is exactly what the asshats in the board room that actually are doing it want you to be focused on.


An appeal to be spared from spying in the same post characterizing any words against spying as paranoia.

Jesus Christ are you dumb.
2013-03-13 02:09:02 PM  
1 votes:

ringersol: Rent Party: "That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers."

Slight problem in your outrage: the article is about commercial flight of unmanned vehicles in FAA controlled airspace.

The pictures in the article (and the one you posted as counterpoint to the scary reaper) are of very short range vehicles.
They're simply not going to get to an altitude where the FAA would have any say on whether they fly or not. (Excepting special cases like around airports, military bases, nuclear facilities, etc)

Ergo, they're not the ones that are issue here.
What's at issue, are things that will look much more like a predator, than those small drones.

They still won't have weapons, which is a key point.  But that doesn't make them harmless plastic toys either.
At the very least, they'll be carrying enough fuel at high enough speeds to be a non-trivial threat in and of themselves.
Particularly, when (apparently/demonstrably) not even defense drones are properly hardened against electronic warfare.


I took the discussion off course with the toys in Seattle, but fark any aircraft patrolling the skies.  That is all.
2013-03-13 01:59:04 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Ego edo infantia cattus: Rent Party:

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

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That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


Yeah, the difference is that one is being used by the military, and the other is being used by the para-military.

/++good.

If you feel the police are becoming too heavily armed, don't you think it would make sense to provide them non-lethal tools?  Those drones take the guns out of their hands, you know, and that makes us all safer.


Increasing non-lethal options should theoretically reduce lethal force, but it also increases use of non-lethal force. Think about all the tasing stories you hear these days - a lot of cops see a taser as a perfectly reasonable option in most situations since it's non-lethal. Before that, it was pepper spray. Before that, it was a billy club.

You could argue that it's better to be tased than pepper-sprayed, and it's definitely better than being beaten with a club, but because the club is so much worse, cops tended to not use it unless it could be justified. People get pissed when they hear about an 80 year old grandma getting tased - can you imagine what would happen if she had been beaten by a club?

Your desire to reduce use of lethal force is understandable, but it comes with a cost of increased violations of other rights.
2013-03-13 01:55:23 PM  
1 votes:

LavenderWolf: TheGreatGazoo: If the LAPD can send more than 100 rounds into a truck and not kill the occupants, do you really want them piloting drones?

Where's the drone?  I wonder what all of those sparks are from that utility line over there?  Oops.  I have a feeling they'll be used to 'monitor' swimming pools more than find lost kids...

Because terrible shots by the most notorious police department in the US means no cop can ever use equipment for its intended purpose.

I am not normally prone to arguing pro-cop in any thread. In fact, I'm pretty anti-cop in almost every thread. Except this one.

If you think this is scary, you are stupid. Hands down. It's a camera they can move in 3D. Deal with it. You don't have an expectation of privacy in public.


I've said it before, the drones will be used by insurance companies and tax collectors. Looking for people with untaxed or non-insurable items on their property. Google maps are only so helpful do to delay in updates from satellites.
2013-03-13 01:53:54 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

How the hell do you not know about the helicopter drones in Seattle?  They are little ones like the other drones you want, BUT they ended the program just last month because people seem to not dig living the spooky reality of "1984" science fiction.  I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that said, "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."   You care about cost more than your ability to somewhat live as a private citizen?  You deserve neither of those things in the Franklin quote, but you are lucky there are LIBERALS to guarantee tham for you.

Jesus Christ, did you not read my boobies?  I'm talking specifically about the pants wetting hippies in Seattle that caused this very useful police tool, which could have added to public safety at ve ...


Okay, okay.  I posted that before I read your boobies.  The thing is, there is a fine line between using those drones for absolute police needs and abusing those toys.  With the record that some of the cops here have, I don't think the chance is worth taking.  I used to work as a civilian in a large police department in TX.  I have first-hand knowledge how those goofy adrenaline junkie ex-jocks think.  Some are reasonable, many are just plain stupid and would sure shiat abuse the toys.
2013-03-13 01:48:40 PM  
1 votes:

LavenderWolf: Ned Stark: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

I would rather your kid sped the next 20 years footcuffed to a chair packing cocaine into bricks for the cartels than put a hovering camera in the hands of every greaseball pig in the country.

Great. But that's not the choice.

The choice is, dangerous high speed persuit, or following a suspect from the air, in all likelihood without being noticed.

If you choose the high speed persuit, because you think drones and cameras are scary (oooh no, that camera stole mah soul!) then you are a fool. A dangerous fool.

Exactly what threat do you think a camera on an RC toy poses? Going to peer in through your windows? Get blinds, and throw a rock at any peeping tom aircraft you see.

/Watching so many people shiat their pants over anything with the word "drone" in it is almost funny


There are enough laws on the books that pretty much every one does illegal things now and then. When you monitor everything, you catch all those irrelevant and harmless breaches of law and custom. You give the executive branch of government effectively unlimited power to either have anyone they want thrown in prison.
2013-03-13 01:42:38 PM  
1 votes:
Rent Party:

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x400]

That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.



Yeah, the difference is that one is being used by the military, and the other is being used by the para-military.

/++good.
2013-03-13 01:41:08 PM  
1 votes:
I'm not too worried about drones being stationed here.  That means the men driving them live here.  So do their families.  When they target our families, we'll kill theirs.  Ain't war hell?
2013-03-13 01:37:23 PM  
1 votes:

ReapTheChaos: Bravo Two: How exactly is this "Cool"? I dunno about you, subby, but I personally don't want to be monitored and watched 24/7 by the invisible eye in the sky. It's bad enough i'm watched and recorded and tracked with conventional security cameras and electronic systems.

/it's not paranoid when you know for a fact how easily you can be traced.

Unless you're doing something you're not supposed to be, they couldn't give a shiat about your comings and goings. So yes, it is paranoid.


You mean like the way the FBI hounded martin Luther king, jr?
2013-03-13 01:36:46 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

How the hell do you not know about the helicopter drones in Seattle?  They are little ones like the other drones you want, BUT they ended the program just last month because people seem to not dig living the spooky reality of "1984" science fiction.  I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that said, "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."   You care about cost more than your ability to somewhat live as a private citizen?  You deserve neither of those things in the Franklin quote, but you are lucky there are LIBERALS to guarantee tham for you.

Jesus Christ, did you not read my boobies?  I'm talking specifically about the pants wetting hippies in Seattle that caused this very useful police tool, which could have added to public safety at ve ...



Let's meet back here in three years.
2013-03-13 01:28:25 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.


How the hell do you not know about the helicopter drones in Seattle?  They are little ones like the other drones you want, BUT they ended the program just last month because people seem to not dig living the spooky reality of "1984" science fiction.  I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that said, "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."   You care about cost more than your ability to somewhat live as a private citizen?  You deserve neither of those things in the Franklin quote, but you are lucky there are LIBERALS to guarantee tham for you.
2013-03-13 01:19:11 PM  
1 votes:
Awesome! Now the government can save money by not having to pay all those Chemtrails pilots.
2013-03-13 01:15:49 PM  
1 votes:
I only want to be tracked by gun-wielding cops in helicoptors.

Joking aside, is everybody really that paranoid? There are plenty of uses for UAVs that don't involve shooting you with Hellfire missles because you're seeding torrents of tranny vs donkey porn.

Besides, if you are a domestic drone target, you're already under constant surveillance by other methods.
2013-03-13 01:08:30 PM  
1 votes:
Sounds like that horrid movie Eyeborgs i.imgur.com
2013-03-13 01:05:33 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!


Now, this is fascinating.  Obama orders drone strikes on American citizens, and those dumb liberals just need to understand that it's not cool for the President to have the power to target Real AmericansTM if he so chooses.  When we have libs who are  againsthaving those drones around, they're dumb libs for  notwanting them.

The dumb, you has it.
2013-03-13 01:01:42 PM  
1 votes:
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Welcome to City 17.
2013-03-13 12:59:14 PM  
1 votes:
"Cool" tag is definitely a troll. Hope when the drones start killing people you're the first to go Subby!
2013-03-13 12:58:26 PM  
1 votes:
How exactly is this "Cool"? I dunno about you, subby, but I personally don't want to be monitored and watched 24/7 by the invisible eye in the sky. It's bad enough i'm watched and recorded and tracked with conventional security cameras and electronic systems.

/it's not paranoid when you know for a fact how easily you can be traced.
2013-03-13 12:58:09 PM  
1 votes:
Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!
 
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