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2013-03-13 12:58:09 PM  
Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!
 
2013-03-13 12:58:26 PM  
How exactly is this "Cool"? I dunno about you, subby, but I personally don't want to be monitored and watched 24/7 by the invisible eye in the sky. It's bad enough i'm watched and recorded and tracked with conventional security cameras and electronic systems.

/it's not paranoid when you know for a fact how easily you can be traced.
 
2013-03-13 12:59:14 PM  
"Cool" tag is definitely a troll. Hope when the drones start killing people you're the first to go Subby!
 
2013-03-13 01:01:42 PM  
img.photobucket.com
Welcome to City 17.
 
2013-03-13 01:02:40 PM  
Did you click the "cool" tag by mistake, or is it sarcasm?  Because I really feel the Dumbass tag is appropriate here.
 
2013-03-13 01:02:43 PM  
Given all the crap that's happening in Chicago, the south side of that city should be covered in drones 24/7.
 
2013-03-13 01:03:46 PM  

Bravo Two: How exactly is this "Cool"?


The scare-quotes around "honor" should have tipped you off to the sarcasm.
 
2013-03-13 01:04:01 PM  
FTFA: Colorado is vying to be one of six states designated as a test site for flying commercial drones over U.S. airspace.


Why do you hate capitalism subby?
 
2013-03-13 01:05:33 PM  

Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!


Now, this is fascinating.  Obama orders drone strikes on American citizens, and those dumb liberals just need to understand that it's not cool for the President to have the power to target Real AmericansTM if he so chooses.  When we have libs who are  againsthaving those drones around, they're dumb libs for  notwanting them.

The dumb, you has it.
 
2013-03-13 01:06:36 PM  

stevetherobot: FTFA: Colorado is vying to be one of six states designated as a test site for flying commercial drones over U.S. airspace.


Why do you hate capitalism subby?


Yeah, like those English people who biatch about "Big Brother" all the time.  Those cameras are  privately owned! Big difference.
 
2013-03-13 01:07:36 PM  
It's stories like this when I miss Bush. No way liberals would be ok with this and sure as hell not get a "cool" tag on fark under Bush. Obama gets a free pass even when he's using Bush-era rights-shattering laws to do so.
 
2013-03-13 01:07:44 PM  

Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!


You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?  Shiat, I'm from one of the very few liberal cities in TX, and even they have the gilacompters flying around all day.  So, you would prefer drones instead of helicopters?  Is that what you are saying?  Moreover, are you also saying you would like drones hanging around perhaps eye spying people?  You sound like a Republican who likes military toys, but not a Republican who likes personal privacy...identity issues.
 
2013-03-13 01:08:30 PM  
Sounds like that horrid movie Eyeborgs i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-13 01:09:04 PM  

Bravo Two: How exactly is this "Cool"? I dunno about you, subby, but I personally don't want to be monitored and watched 24/7 by the invisible eye in the sky. It's bad enough i'm watched and recorded and tracked with conventional security cameras and electronic systems.

/it's not paranoid when you know for a fact how easily you can be traced.




What are you trying to hide? Sounds like criminals behavior to me.

I say blanket the sky with drones and blot out the sun.

It's the only way to be safe.
 
2013-03-13 01:10:36 PM  
Someone should find a way to either hijack them, disable them, or attract them somewhere to be caught. You could sell those for not a small amount of cash.
 
2013-03-13 01:12:27 PM  
img593.imageshack.us

Stay in your zone
 
2013-03-13 01:12:31 PM  

theMightyRegeya: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

Now, this is fascinating.  Obama orders drone strikes on American citizens, and those dumb liberals just need to understand that it's not cool for the President to have the power to target Real AmericansTM if he so chooses.  When we have libs who are  againsthaving those drones around, they're dumb libs for  notwanting them.

The dumb, you has it.


The drones in the article can be purchased pretty much off the shelf at a toy store.  They're about the size of a basketball, and aren't big enough to carry more than a camera.   They're a useful tool for police that allows them to do things like pursue suspects without risk to the general public, and take action much faster than waiting for the helicopter.    But because it flies, you immediately piss down your leg in fear.

That you think they have anything in common with military Reaper drones tells me just how dumb you are.   Even if putting a weapon on them was legal, which it's not,  it's pretty much impossible.  They might be able to hit you with a spitball, as anything bigger would throw the aircraft way off it's flight path.

So as a result of your irrational pants wetting fear, we here in the Seattle area are more at risk.

In summary, you're a gotdamn moron.
 
2013-03-13 01:12:59 PM  
I knew it!

i651.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-13 01:13:17 PM  

mizchief: It's stories like this when I miss Bush.


Let's not say things we can't take back!
 
2013-03-13 01:13:37 PM  
Privacy privacy! While logged into Google and Facebook.
/Just saying
 
2013-03-13 01:14:15 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?  Shiat, I'm from one of the very few liberal cities in TX, and even they have the gilacompters flying around all day.  So, you would prefer drones instead of helicopters?  Is that what you are saying?  Moreover, are you also saying you would like drones hanging around perhaps eye spying people?  You sound like a Republican who likes military toys, but not a Republican who likes personal privacy...identity issues.


Just like the dude above said, "The dumb.  You has it."
 
2013-03-13 01:15:49 PM  
I only want to be tracked by gun-wielding cops in helicoptors.

Joking aside, is everybody really that paranoid? There are plenty of uses for UAVs that don't involve shooting you with Hellfire missles because you're seeding torrents of tranny vs donkey porn.

Besides, if you are a domestic drone target, you're already under constant surveillance by other methods.
 
2013-03-13 01:16:31 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?


There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.
 
2013-03-13 01:16:44 PM  
We already got the full size preditor flying around Dayton, OH so we get the prize.
 
2013-03-13 01:19:11 PM  
Awesome! Now the government can save money by not having to pay all those Chemtrails pilots.
 
2013-03-13 01:19:36 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?  Shiat, I'm from one of the very few liberal cities in TX, and even they have the gilacompters flying around all day.  So, you would prefer drones instead of helicopters?  Is that what you are saying?  Moreover, are you also saying you would like drones hanging around perhaps eye spying people?  You sound like a Republican who likes military toys, but not a Republican who likes personal privacy...identity issues.


Oh, and for the record, I've voted for every Democratic candidate for the Presidency since 1988.  So fark you.  I'm just not a paranoid pants wetter, and I understand the difference between this

twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com

and this

graphics8.nytimes.com

That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.
 
2013-03-13 01:20:27 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Privacy privacy! While logged into Google and Facebook.
/Just saying


Better
privacy privacy! While sitting at Starbucks wearing a pair of Google Glass
 
2013-03-13 01:22:32 PM  
Can't wait for the first  mid-air drone, passenger plane crash.
 
2013-03-13 01:23:21 PM  
What I really want

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But too many rednecks and gang bangers would shoot at them.
 
2013-03-13 01:24:50 PM  

jars.traptone: Someone should find a way to either hijack them, disable them, or attract them somewhere to be caught. You could sell those for not a small amount of cash.


What kind of trouble could a citizen get in for shooting down a drone?
 
2013-03-13 01:26:44 PM  

jars.traptone: Someone should find a way to either hijack them, disable them, or attract them somewhere to be caught. You could sell those for not a small amount of cash.


DSM2 is even hard to do that.
 
2013-03-13 01:28:25 PM  

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.


How the hell do you not know about the helicopter drones in Seattle?  They are little ones like the other drones you want, BUT they ended the program just last month because people seem to not dig living the spooky reality of "1984" science fiction.  I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that said, "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."   You care about cost more than your ability to somewhat live as a private citizen?  You deserve neither of those things in the Franklin quote, but you are lucky there are LIBERALS to guarantee tham for you.
 
2013-03-13 01:30:50 PM  

Bravo Two: How exactly is this "Cool"? I dunno about you, subby, but I personally don't want to be monitored and watched 24/7 by the invisible eye in the sky. It's bad enough i'm watched and recorded and tracked with conventional security cameras and electronic systems.

/it's not paranoid when you know for a fact how easily you can be traced.


Unless you're doing something you're not supposed to be, they couldn't give a shiat about your comings and goings. So yes, it is paranoid.
 
2013-03-13 01:32:10 PM  

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?  Shiat, I'm from one of the very few liberal cities in TX, and even they have the gilacompters flying around all day.  So, you would prefer drones instead of helicopters?  Is that what you are saying?  Moreover, are you also saying you would like drones hanging around perhaps eye spying people?  You sound like a Republican who likes military toys, but not a Republican who likes personal privacy...identity issues.

Oh, and for the record, I've voted for every Democratic candidate for the Presidency since 1988.  So fark you.  I'm just not a paranoid pants wetter, and I understand the difference between this

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x400]

That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


And I know the difference between the way search warrants were served twenty years ago and the way they are today.  When the police are given the ability to do something it is just a matter of time until that ability becomes a necessity in their minds.  And from there those "necessities" that are only needed to insure officer and public safety are made more lethal and turned into offensive weapons.  Great God in Heaven, what would happen if they didn't get to play with those toys every chance they got?
 
2013-03-13 01:33:57 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

How the hell do you not know about the helicopter drones in Seattle?  They are little ones like the other drones you want, BUT they ended the program just last month because people seem to not dig living the spooky reality of "1984" science fiction.  I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that said, "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."   You care about cost more than your ability to somewhat live as a private citizen?  You deserve neither of those things in the Franklin quote, but you are lucky there are LIBERALS to guarantee tham for you.


Jesus Christ, did you not read my boobies?  I'm talking specifically about the pants wetting hippies in Seattle that caused this very useful police tool, which could have added to public safety at very low cost, away.

Your paranoia has made us all less safe.  There was no intent to have those drones hovering over the city all the time spying on you.  You're simply not that interesting.
 
2013-03-13 01:34:49 PM  

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.


I would rather your kid sped the next 20 years footcuffed to a chair packing cocaine into bricks for the cartels than put a hovering camera in the hands of every greaseball pig in the country.
 
2013-03-13 01:36:10 PM  

Sweaty Dynamite: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?  Shiat, I'm from one of the very few liberal cities in TX, and even they have the gilacompters flying around all day.  So, you would prefer drones instead of helicopters?  Is that what you are saying?  Moreover, are you also saying you would like drones hanging around perhaps eye spying people?  You sound like a Republican who likes military toys, but not a Republican who likes personal privacy...identity issues.

Oh, and for the record, I've voted for every Democratic candidate for the Presidency since 1988.  So fark you.  I'm just not a paranoid pants wetter, and I understand the difference between this

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x400]

That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.

And I know the difference between the way search warrants were served twenty years ago and the way they are today.  When the police are given the ability to do something it is just a matter of time until that ability becomes a necessity in their minds.  And from there those "necessities" that are only needed to insure officer and public safety are made more lethal and turned into offensive weapons.  Great God in Heaven, what would happen if they didn't get to play with those toys every chance they got?


So your answer is to deny police less lethal methods of pursuit?  They must now resort to *more dangerous* methods because of your unfounded paranoia.

Way to go, dude.  You really thought that one through.
 
2013-03-13 01:36:46 PM  

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

How the hell do you not know about the helicopter drones in Seattle?  They are little ones like the other drones you want, BUT they ended the program just last month because people seem to not dig living the spooky reality of "1984" science fiction.  I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that said, "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."   You care about cost more than your ability to somewhat live as a private citizen?  You deserve neither of those things in the Franklin quote, but you are lucky there are LIBERALS to guarantee tham for you.

Jesus Christ, did you not read my boobies?  I'm talking specifically about the pants wetting hippies in Seattle that caused this very useful police tool, which could have added to public safety at ve ...



Let's meet back here in three years.
 
2013-03-13 01:36:57 PM  

safetycap: I knew it!

[i651.photobucket.com image 640x800]


Rent Party, I got this one.

You are a complete moron if you think TFA's drones are anything like a Reaper drone complete with hellfire missiles.
 
2013-03-13 01:37:23 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Bravo Two: How exactly is this "Cool"? I dunno about you, subby, but I personally don't want to be monitored and watched 24/7 by the invisible eye in the sky. It's bad enough i'm watched and recorded and tracked with conventional security cameras and electronic systems.

/it's not paranoid when you know for a fact how easily you can be traced.

Unless you're doing something you're not supposed to be, they couldn't give a shiat about your comings and goings. So yes, it is paranoid.


You mean like the way the FBI hounded martin Luther king, jr?
 
2013-03-13 01:38:01 PM  

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?  Shiat, I'm from one of the very few liberal cities in TX, and even they have the gilacompters flying around all day.  So, you would prefer drones instead of helicopters?  Is that what you are saying?  Moreover, are you also saying you would like drones hanging around perhaps eye spying people?  You sound like a Republican who likes military toys, but not a Republican who likes personal privacy...identity issues.

Oh, and for the record, I've voted for every Democratic candidate for the Presidency since 1988.  So fark you.  I'm just not a paranoid pants wetter, and I understand the difference between this

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x400]

That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


Most people have no idea how big a Predator/Reaper is. They think it's this small thing because it's associated with the word "drone."

Unmanned full sized aircraft is more appropriate.
 
2013-03-13 01:41:08 PM  
I'm not too worried about drones being stationed here.  That means the men driving them live here.  So do their families.  When they target our families, we'll kill theirs.  Ain't war hell?
 
2013-03-13 01:42:33 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

How the hell do you not know about the helicopter drones in Seattle?  They are little ones like the other drones you want, BUT they ended the program just last month because people seem to not dig living the spooky reality of "1984" science fiction.  I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that said, "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."   You care about cost more than your ability to somewhat live as a private citizen?  You deserve neither of those things in the Franklin quote, but you are lucky there are LIBERALS to guarantee tham for you.

Jesus Christ, did you not read my boobies?  I'm talking specifically about the pants wetting hippies in Seattle that caused this very useful police tool, which could have added to public ...


Sure.  In three years, how do you suppose police should deal with this kind of stuff.

https://www.google.com/search?q=police+pursuit+accidents&hl=en&safe= of f&source=univ&tbm=nws&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=GLlAUeXyO4nlqQGV4oGQDQ&ved=0CGkQqA I&biw=1142&bih=802

Should they

1) Set police of no pursuit, which means that all criminals need to do to escape is run?
2) Continue to put the public at risk via high speed chases?
3) Deploy a low cost, low risk pursuit solution that causes sniveling pants wetters to shiat themselves because it happens to fly.

I'm going with "ignore the pants wetters."
 
2013-03-13 01:42:36 PM  
If the LAPD can send more than 100 rounds into a truck and not kill the occupants, do you really want them piloting drones?

Where's the drone?  I wonder what all of those sparks are from that utility line over there?  Oops.  I have a feeling they'll be used to 'monitor' swimming pools more than find lost kids...
 
2013-03-13 01:42:38 PM  
Rent Party:

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x400]

That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.



Yeah, the difference is that one is being used by the military, and the other is being used by the para-military.

/++good.
 
2013-03-13 01:42:39 PM  

Ned Stark: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

I would rather your kid sped the next 20 years footcuffed to a chair packing cocaine into bricks for the cartels than put a hovering camera in the hands of every greaseball pig in the country.


Great. But that's not the choice.

The choice is, dangerous high speed persuit, or following a suspect from the air, in all likelihood without being noticed.

If you choose the high speed persuit, because you think drones and cameras are scary (oooh no, that camera stole mah soul!) then you are a fool. A dangerous fool.

Exactly what threat do you think a camera on an RC toy poses? Going to peer in through your windows? Get blinds, and throw a rock at any peeping tom aircraft you see.

/Watching so many people shiat their pants over anything with the word "drone" in it is almost funny
 
2013-03-13 01:44:03 PM  
www.naturalindependent.com

when do we get the Minority Report spider-shaped drones?
 
2013-03-13 01:44:32 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Rent Party:

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x400]

That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


Yeah, the difference is that one is being used by the military, and the other is being used by the para-military.

/++good.


Yes, congratulations, you read a book a clever toddler could read.

Maybe you can put some of it in context now? Which is better for everyone? High speed persuit, letting criminals go, or tracking them via small RC helicopter with a camera?
 
2013-03-13 01:45:49 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: If the LAPD can send more than 100 rounds into a truck and not kill the occupants, do you really want them piloting drones?


Yes.  Do you know why?  Because drones are incapable of sending anything larger than a spitball farther than you can throw.  They are absolutely non-lethal, and given the propensity of cops going apeshiat with guns, *anything* that removes deadly force from their hands is a good thing.
 
2013-03-13 01:46:18 PM  
Rent Party: "That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers."

Slight problem in your outrage: the article is about commercial flight of unmanned vehicles in FAA controlled airspace.

The pictures in the article (and the one you posted as counterpoint to the scary reaper) are of very short range vehicles.
They're simply not going to get to an altitude where the FAA would have any say on whether they fly or not. (Excepting special cases like around airports, military bases, nuclear facilities, etc)

Ergo, they're not the ones that are issue here.
What's at issue, are things that will look much more like a predator, than those small drones.

They still won't have weapons, which is a key point.  But that doesn't make them harmless plastic toys either.
At the very least, they'll be carrying enough fuel at high enough speeds to be a non-trivial threat in and of themselves.
Particularly, when (apparently/demonstrably) not even defense drones are properly hardened against electronic warfare.
 
2013-03-13 01:46:41 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: If the LAPD can send more than 100 rounds into a truck and not kill the occupants, do you really want them piloting drones?

Where's the drone?  I wonder what all of those sparks are from that utility line over there?  Oops.  I have a feeling they'll be used to 'monitor' swimming pools more than find lost kids...


Because terrible shots by the most notorious police department in the US means no cop can ever use equipment for its intended purpose.

I am not normally prone to arguing pro-cop in any thread. In fact, I'm pretty anti-cop in almost every thread. Except this one.

If you think this is scary, you are stupid. Hands down. It's a camera they can move in 3D. Deal with it. You don't have an expectation of privacy in public.
 
2013-03-13 01:47:31 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Rent Party:

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x400]

That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


Yeah, the difference is that one is being used by the military, and the other is being used by the para-military.

/++good.


If you feel the police are becoming too heavily armed, don't you think it would make sense to provide them non-lethal tools?  Those drones take the guns out of their hands, you know, and that makes us all safer.
 
2013-03-13 01:47:49 PM  

LavenderWolf: safetycap: I knew it!

[i651.photobucket.com image 640x800]

Rent Party, I got this one.

You are a complete moron if you think TFA's drones are anything like a Reaper drone complete with hellfire missiles.




$1000 quadcopter and a couple of grenades.
 
2013-03-13 01:48:06 PM  
Dr. One(a): PoI identified
Dr. One(b): PoI confirm
Dr. One(c): PoI confirm
CASTLE BASE: Maintain triangulation
Van Zan: Holy Fark!
Quinn: Fark you, Van Zan
Van Zan: No, really, look!
Dr. One(c): loss of signal
Dr. One(a): PoI on the move!
Dr. One(b): Grid lock; rebooting
Quinn: What the fark are you doing Van Zan?
Van Zan: AAAAAaaXXXXeeeee
Dr. One(b): loss of signal
Dr. One(a): PoI lost; scanning
CASTLE BASE: Big Fat Liar's on, return to base
 
2013-03-13 01:48:40 PM  

LavenderWolf: Ned Stark: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

I would rather your kid sped the next 20 years footcuffed to a chair packing cocaine into bricks for the cartels than put a hovering camera in the hands of every greaseball pig in the country.

Great. But that's not the choice.

The choice is, dangerous high speed persuit, or following a suspect from the air, in all likelihood without being noticed.

If you choose the high speed persuit, because you think drones and cameras are scary (oooh no, that camera stole mah soul!) then you are a fool. A dangerous fool.

Exactly what threat do you think a camera on an RC toy poses? Going to peer in through your windows? Get blinds, and throw a rock at any peeping tom aircraft you see.

/Watching so many people shiat their pants over anything with the word "drone" in it is almost funny


There are enough laws on the books that pretty much every one does illegal things now and then. When you monitor everything, you catch all those irrelevant and harmless breaches of law and custom. You give the executive branch of government effectively unlimited power to either have anyone they want thrown in prison.
 
2013-03-13 01:49:09 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: There are plenty of uses for UAVs that don't involve shooting you with Hellfire missles because you're seeding torrents of tranny vs donkey porn.


*rushes to destroy his terabytes worth of evidence

>.>

<.<
 
2013-03-13 01:51:35 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: LavenderWolf: safetycap: I knew it!

[i651.photobucket.com image 640x800]

Rent Party, I got this one.

You are a complete moron if you think TFA's drones are anything like a Reaper drone complete with hellfire missiles.

$1000 quadcopter and a couple of grenades.


And an entire police force in jail. Try again.
 
2013-03-13 01:52:04 PM  

SlothB77: jars.traptone: Someone should find a way to either hijack them, disable them, or attract them somewhere to be caught. You could sell those for not a small amount of cash.

What kind of trouble could a citizen get in for shooting down a drone?


Dunno. I wouldn't suggest shooting projectiles toward the sky, though.

StoPPeRmobile: jars.traptone: Someone should find a way to either hijack them, disable them, or attract them somewhere to be caught. You could sell those for not a small amount of cash.

DSM2 is even hard to do that.


Something tells me that there's got to be something distinctly different about police drones. If they are silly enough to rely on drones that can't fly very high, then this could be a very fun time.
 
2013-03-13 01:52:44 PM  

Ned Stark: LavenderWolf: Ned Stark: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

I would rather your kid sped the next 20 years footcuffed to a chair packing cocaine into bricks for the cartels than put a hovering camera in the hands of every greaseball pig in the country.

Great. But that's not the choice.

The choice is, dangerous high speed persuit, or following a suspect from the air, in all likelihood without being noticed.

If you choose the high speed persuit, because you think drones and cameras are scary (oooh no, that camera stole mah soul!) then you are a fool. A dangerous fool.

Exactly what threat do you think a camera on an RC toy poses? Going to peer in through your windows? Get blinds, and throw a rock at any peeping tom aircraft you see.

/Watching so many people shiat their pants over anything with the word "drone" in it is almost funny

There are enough law ...


If they have footage of everyone breaking a law, and they don't then go after everyone, that is a valid defense. You can't partially enforce a law. Ergo, such laws are more easily struck down WITH cameras than WITHOUT.
 
2013-03-13 01:53:16 PM  
Uranus Is Huge!: There are plenty of uses for UAVs that don't involve shooting you with Hellfire missles because you're seeding torrents of tranny vs donkey porn.

Versus? That implies some sort of struggle which is honestly terrifying...
 
2013-03-13 01:53:54 PM  

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

How the hell do you not know about the helicopter drones in Seattle?  They are little ones like the other drones you want, BUT they ended the program just last month because people seem to not dig living the spooky reality of "1984" science fiction.  I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that said, "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."   You care about cost more than your ability to somewhat live as a private citizen?  You deserve neither of those things in the Franklin quote, but you are lucky there are LIBERALS to guarantee tham for you.

Jesus Christ, did you not read my boobies?  I'm talking specifically about the pants wetting hippies in Seattle that caused this very useful police tool, which could have added to public safety at ve ...


Okay, okay.  I posted that before I read your boobies.  The thing is, there is a fine line between using those drones for absolute police needs and abusing those toys.  With the record that some of the cops here have, I don't think the chance is worth taking.  I used to work as a civilian in a large police department in TX.  I have first-hand knowledge how those goofy adrenaline junkie ex-jocks think.  Some are reasonable, many are just plain stupid and would sure shiat abuse the toys.
 
2013-03-13 01:54:59 PM  

Ned Stark: LavenderWolf: Ned Stark: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

I would rather your kid sped the next 20 years footcuffed to a chair packing cocaine into bricks for the cartels than put a hovering camera in the hands of every greaseball pig in the country.

Great. But that's not the choice.

The choice is, dangerous high speed persuit, or following a suspect from the air, in all likelihood without being noticed.

If you choose the high speed persuit, because you think drones and cameras are scary (oooh no, that camera stole mah soul!) then you are a fool. A dangerous fool.

Exactly what threat do you think a camera on an RC toy poses? Going to peer in through your windows? Get blinds, and throw a rock at any peeping tom aircraft you see.

/Watching so many people shiat their pants over anything with the word "drone" in it is almost funny

There are enough laws on the books that pretty much every one does illegal things now and then. When you monitor everything, you catch all those irrelevant and harmless breaches of law and custom. You give the executive branch of government effectively unlimited power to either have anyone they want thrown in prison.


Pretty much this. Also, think of the revenue to be derived from zealous enforcement of certain ordnances.
 
2013-03-13 01:55:23 PM  

LavenderWolf: TheGreatGazoo: If the LAPD can send more than 100 rounds into a truck and not kill the occupants, do you really want them piloting drones?

Where's the drone?  I wonder what all of those sparks are from that utility line over there?  Oops.  I have a feeling they'll be used to 'monitor' swimming pools more than find lost kids...

Because terrible shots by the most notorious police department in the US means no cop can ever use equipment for its intended purpose.

I am not normally prone to arguing pro-cop in any thread. In fact, I'm pretty anti-cop in almost every thread. Except this one.

If you think this is scary, you are stupid. Hands down. It's a camera they can move in 3D. Deal with it. You don't have an expectation of privacy in public.


I've said it before, the drones will be used by insurance companies and tax collectors. Looking for people with untaxed or non-insurable items on their property. Google maps are only so helpful do to delay in updates from satellites.
 
2013-03-13 01:56:02 PM  
Google Strafe View
 
2013-03-13 01:56:51 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: LavenderWolf: TheGreatGazoo: If the LAPD can send more than 100 rounds into a truck and not kill the occupants, do you really want them piloting drones?

Where's the drone?  I wonder what all of those sparks are from that utility line over there?  Oops.  I have a feeling they'll be used to 'monitor' swimming pools more than find lost kids...

Because terrible shots by the most notorious police department in the US means no cop can ever use equipment for its intended purpose.

I am not normally prone to arguing pro-cop in any thread. In fact, I'm pretty anti-cop in almost every thread. Except this one.

If you think this is scary, you are stupid. Hands down. It's a camera they can move in 3D. Deal with it. You don't have an expectation of privacy in public.

I've said it before, the drones will be used by insurance companies and tax collectors. Looking for people with untaxed or non-insurable items on their property. Google maps are only so helpful do to delay in updates from satellites.


There is absolutely no law on the books that stops insurance companies from using RC drones to do that right now.

themoreyouknow.jpg
 
2013-03-13 01:57:00 PM  

theMightyRegeya: stevetherobot: FTFA: Colorado is vying to be one of six states designated as a test site for flying commercial drones over U.S. airspace.


Why do you hate capitalism subby?

Yeah, like those English people who biatch about "Big Brother" all the time.  Those cameras are  privately owned! Big difference.


English people? It's mostly Americans. Your favourite list of things to talk about when it comes to Britain is:

1.) How awesome our teeth are, and how you're jealous because they're much healthier than American teeth.
2.) How attractive our womenfolk are.
3.) How we're living in a dystopia like 1984 where the government monitors all through CCTV
4.) How quaint it is that we still bow and scrape before the all powerful absolute monarch Her Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth the Almighty.
5.) How we have to ban knives because we can't stop stabbing each other because we made it incredibly difficult for people to buy firearms.
6.) How jealous you are of all our spare "u"s. We have so many going spare, like you and your "z"s. You have plenty of z's just lying around you replace s's with z's.
 
2013-03-13 01:59:04 PM  

Rent Party: Ego edo infantia cattus: Rent Party:

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x400]

That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


Yeah, the difference is that one is being used by the military, and the other is being used by the para-military.

/++good.

If you feel the police are becoming too heavily armed, don't you think it would make sense to provide them non-lethal tools?  Those drones take the guns out of their hands, you know, and that makes us all safer.


Increasing non-lethal options should theoretically reduce lethal force, but it also increases use of non-lethal force. Think about all the tasing stories you hear these days - a lot of cops see a taser as a perfectly reasonable option in most situations since it's non-lethal. Before that, it was pepper spray. Before that, it was a billy club.

You could argue that it's better to be tased than pepper-sprayed, and it's definitely better than being beaten with a club, but because the club is so much worse, cops tended to not use it unless it could be justified. People get pissed when they hear about an 80 year old grandma getting tased - can you imagine what would happen if she had been beaten by a club?

Your desire to reduce use of lethal force is understandable, but it comes with a cost of increased violations of other rights.
 
2013-03-13 02:00:30 PM  

Caffandtranqs: Okay, okay.  I posted that before I read your boobies.  The thing is, there is a fine line between using those drones for absolute police needs and abusing those toys.


That is true of any tool you provide the police.  You provide them tasers  you better watch to make sure they aren't abusing them.  You provide them pepper spray, you better watch to make sure they aren't abusing it.  But we provide them those things because at the end of the day, when used appropriately, they end up killing fewer people with them.

These drones are no different.  It helps remove a highly dangerous police practice (high speed pursuits) while still allowing them to catch criminals, and if you do have cops that do it right, provides them an immensely helpful tool for search.
 
2013-03-13 02:02:23 PM  
LavenderWolf:
I've said it before, the drones will be used by insurance companies and tax collectors. Looking for people with untaxed or non-insurable items on their property. Google maps are only so helpful do to delay in updates from satellites.

There is absolutely no law on the books that stops insurance companies from using RC drones to do that right now.

themoreyouknow.jpg


Seriously?  I fear corporate abuse of these things far more than I do state abuse by these things.    There *aught* to be a law preventing that.
 
2013-03-13 02:02:23 PM  
So, sniper rifles?.
 
2013-03-13 02:04:42 PM  

LavenderWolf: Ned Stark: LavenderWolf: Ned Stark: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

I would rather your kid sped the next 20 years footcuffed to a chair packing cocaine into bricks for the cartels than put a hovering camera in the hands of every greaseball pig in the country.

Great. But that's not the choice.

The choice is, dangerous high speed persuit, or following a suspect from the air, in all likelihood without being noticed.

If you choose the high speed persuit, because you think drones and cameras are scary (oooh no, that camera stole mah soul!) then you are a fool. A dangerous fool.

Exactly what threat do you think a camera on an RC toy poses? Going to peer in through your windows? Get blinds, and throw a rock at any peeping tom aircraft you see.

/Watching so many people shiat their pants over anything with the word "drone" in it is almost funny

There are enough law ...

If they have footage of everyone breaking a law, and they don't then go after everyone, that is a valid defense. You can't partially enforce a law. Ergo, such laws are more easily struck down WITH cameras than WITHOUT.


Sean you mean? Awwww he's a good kid. We gave him a venal warning absent him on his way. He straightened right up.

Shawn on the other hand, clearly a delinquent who won't listen to reason. 6months to a year aught to get the message through.

Prosecutorial discretion, how does it work?
 
2013-03-13 02:05:28 PM  

kriegsgeist: Rent Party: Ego edo infantia cattus: Rent Party:

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x400]

That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


Yeah, the difference is that one is being used by the military, and the other is being used by the para-military.

/++good.

If you feel the police are becoming too heavily armed, don't you think it would make sense to provide them non-lethal tools?  Those drones take the guns out of their hands, you know, and that makes us all safer.

Increasing non-lethal options should theoretically reduce lethal force, but it also increases use of non-lethal force. Think about all the tasing stories you hear these days - a lot of cops see a taser as a perfectly reasonable option in most situations since it's non-lethal. Before that, it was pepper spray. Before that, it was a billy club.

You could argue that it's better to be tased than pepper-sprayed, and it's definitely better than being beaten with a club, but because the club is so much worse, cops tended to not use it unless it could be justified. People get pissed when they hear about an 80 year old grandma getting tased - can you imagine what would happen if she had been beaten by a club?

Your desire to reduce use of lethal force is understandable, but it comes with a cost of increased violations of other rights.


I don't disagree with any of that, and in fact made the exact same argument down stream.  My point is that just like any of the other tools we provide the police, their use needs to be monitored and governed.   In the case of the tasers, you're already seeing the courts come down and land on the side of the people.  Tasers are not compliance tools, and the police too frequently use them as such.  The difference is that if I get tased unjustly, I can redress that through the courts.  If I am shot by a cop unjustly, it us up to my widow and orphaned kids to do so on my behalf.

I'd much rather have the former option than the latter.
 
2013-03-13 02:06:20 PM  
Ned Stark:

There are enough laws on the books that pretty much every one does illegal things now and then. When you monitor everything, you catch all those irrelevant and harmless breaches of law and custom. You give the executive branch of government effectively unlimited power to either have anyone they want thrown in prison.

Hey look, guys, here's someone who thinks the President of the United States is a COP.

www.frumforum.com

conservative50plus.com
 
2013-03-13 02:07:27 PM  

Rent Party: LavenderWolf:
I've said it before, the drones will be used by insurance companies and tax collectors. Looking for people with untaxed or non-insurable items on their property. Google maps are only so helpful do to delay in updates from satellites.

There is absolutely no law on the books that stops insurance companies from using RC drones to do that right now.

themoreyouknow.jpg

Seriously?  I fear corporate abuse of these things far more than I do state abuse by these things.    There *aught* to be a law preventing that.


Whats the matter, pants wetter? Would you prefer insurance agents driving down your street with cameras and telescopic lenses?
 
2013-03-13 02:07:51 PM  
Cops up here have started to use them

jessehirsh.com
 
2013-03-13 02:09:02 PM  

ringersol: Rent Party: "That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers."

Slight problem in your outrage: the article is about commercial flight of unmanned vehicles in FAA controlled airspace.

The pictures in the article (and the one you posted as counterpoint to the scary reaper) are of very short range vehicles.
They're simply not going to get to an altitude where the FAA would have any say on whether they fly or not. (Excepting special cases like around airports, military bases, nuclear facilities, etc)

Ergo, they're not the ones that are issue here.
What's at issue, are things that will look much more like a predator, than those small drones.

They still won't have weapons, which is a key point.  But that doesn't make them harmless plastic toys either.
At the very least, they'll be carrying enough fuel at high enough speeds to be a non-trivial threat in and of themselves.
Particularly, when (apparently/demonstrably) not even defense drones are properly hardened against electronic warfare.


I took the discussion off course with the toys in Seattle, but fark any aircraft patrolling the skies.  That is all.
 
2013-03-13 02:17:35 PM  

Kittypie070: Ned Stark:

There are enough laws on the books that pretty much every one does illegal things now and then. When you monitor everything, you catch all those irrelevant and harmless breaches of law and custom. You give the executive branch of government effectively unlimited power to either have anyone they want thrown in prison.

Hey look, guys, here's someone who thinks the President of the United States is a COP.


Oh look someone who thinks 1 guy is the sole member of the executive at the federal level and in every state.
 
2013-03-13 02:18:44 PM  

Ned Stark: LavenderWolf: Ned Stark: LavenderWolf: Ned Stark: Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?

There is?  Do you know how much it costs to operate a helicopter?   Do you know how much it costs to operate that drone?    Do you know how long it takes to get a helo on site?  Do you know how many helos they have access to?   You could equip every squad car in the city with one of the drones for the cost of about a month of helos.  They deploy much faster, and you can cover a much larger area with them in a crisis because you have more of them.  If my kid goes missing, I would much rather have 10 drones on site immediately because they're in the trunk of a car, rather than waiting 20 minutes for the choppah to show up.

I would rather your kid sped the next 20 years footcuffed to a chair packing cocaine into bricks for the cartels than put a hovering camera in the hands of every greaseball pig in the country.

Great. But that's not the choice.

The choice is, dangerous high speed persuit, or following a suspect from the air, in all likelihood without being noticed.

If you choose the high speed persuit, because you think drones and cameras are scary (oooh no, that camera stole mah soul!) then you are a fool. A dangerous fool.

Exactly what threat do you think a camera on an RC toy poses? Going to peer in through your windows? Get blinds, and throw a rock at any peeping tom aircraft you see.

/Watching so many people shiat their pants over anything with the word "drone" in it is almost fu ...


Way too simple for such a thing as literally observing every single instance of an infraction. FOIA request the footage. One person out of six hundred people committing the same crime gets prosecuted, with the same amount of evidence for any of them? Find me a judge who won't find that suspicious. Find me a lawyer who wouldn't capitalize on it.
 
2013-03-13 02:20:19 PM  

Ned Stark: Rent Party: LavenderWolf:
I've said it before, the drones will be used by insurance companies and tax collectors. Looking for people with untaxed or non-insurable items on their property. Google maps are only so helpful do to delay in updates from satellites.

There is absolutely no law on the books that stops insurance companies from using RC drones to do that right now.

themoreyouknow.jpg

Seriously?  I fear corporate abuse of these things far more than I do state abuse by these things.    There *aught* to be a law preventing that.

Whats the matter, pants wetter? Would you prefer insurance agents driving down your street with cameras and telescopic lenses?


Given that an insurance agent is *far more likely* to do so, and that the repercussions of his doing so are *far more relevant* to my day to day life, it is far more concerning to me that this be prevented.

But you keep shiatting down your leg at the thought of those black helicopters taking away your freedomz. It is exactly what the asshats in the board room that actually are doing it want you to be focused on.
 
2013-03-13 02:28:39 PM  

Rent Party: Ned Stark: Rent Party: LavenderWolf:
I've said it before, the drones will be used by insurance companies and tax collectors. Looking for people with untaxed or non-insurable items on their property. Google maps are only so helpful do to delay in updates from satellites.

There is absolutely no law on the books that stops insurance companies from using RC drones to do that right now.

themoreyouknow.jpg

Seriously?  I fear corporate abuse of these things far more than I do state abuse by these things.    There *aught* to be a law preventing that.

Whats the matter, pants wetter? Would you prefer insurance agents driving down your street with cameras and telescopic lenses?

Given that an insurance agent is *far more likely* to do so, and that the repercussions of his doing so are *far more relevant* to my day to day life, it is far more concerning to me that this be prevented.

But you keep shiatting down your leg at the thought of those black helicopters taking away your freedomz. It is exactly what the asshats in the board room that actually are doing it want you to be focused on.


An appeal to be spared from spying in the same post characterizing any words against spying as paranoia.

Jesus Christ are you dumb.
 
2013-03-13 02:32:18 PM  

Rent Party: Ned Stark: Rent Party: LavenderWolf:
I've said it before, the drones will be used by insurance companies and tax collectors. Looking for people with untaxed or non-insurable items on their property. Google maps are only so helpful do to delay in updates from satellites.

There is absolutely no law on the books that stops insurance companies from using RC drones to do that right now.

themoreyouknow.jpg

Seriously?  I fear corporate abuse of these things far more than I do state abuse by these things.    There *aught* to be a law preventing that.

Whats the matter, pants wetter? Would you prefer insurance agents driving down your street with cameras and telescopic lenses?

Given that an insurance agent is *far more likely* to do so, and that the repercussions of his doing so are *far more relevant* to my day to day life, it is far more concerning to me that this be prevented.

But you keep shiatting down your leg at the thought of those black helicopters taking away your freedomz. It is exactly what the asshats in the board room that actually are doing it want you to be focused on.


Okay.  I think it is you shiatting down your pants in fear of criminals.  There is a reason why there are farking helicopters patrolling the skies of the TX town I'm from.  There is a huge military base there and 15 minutes away from Juarez, Mexico where more people have been killed in the last 5 years than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.  THAT'S a situation that requires helicopters, hell they should send the drones in Juarez to blow up the homes of the farking psychopaths terrorizing the city.  The crime here is nothing to wet your pants about.
 
2013-03-13 02:32:46 PM  

Ned Stark: Rent Party: Ned Stark: Rent Party: LavenderWolf:

But you keep shiatting down your leg at the thought of those black helicopters taking away your freedomz. It is exactly what the asshats in the board room that actually are doing it want you to be focused on.

An appeal to be spared from spying in the same post characterizing any words against spying as paranoia.

Jesus Christ are you dumb.


Your paranoia that the state is gunna spy on you is just that. Paranoia.  You aren't that interesting.   The fact of corporations spying on you is already extant, and you don't care because you would rather fancy yourself a rebel against the Empire or something.

So keep shiatting down your leg because the real threat to your liberty wants you looking right where you are while it continues to rob you.
 
2013-03-13 02:36:01 PM  

Rent Party: Ned Stark: Rent Party: Ned Stark: Rent Party: LavenderWolf:

But you keep shiatting down your leg at the thought of those black helicopters taking away your freedomz. It is exactly what the asshats in the board room that actually are doing it want you to be focused on.

An appeal to be spared from spying in the same post characterizing any words against spying as paranoia.

Jesus Christ are you dumb.

Your paranoia that the state is gunna spy on you is just that. Paranoia.  You aren't that interesting.   The fact of corporations spying on you is already extant, and you don't care because you would rather fancy yourself a rebel against the Empire or something.

So keep shiatting down your leg because the real threat to your liberty wants you looking right where you are while it continues to rob you.


Who the hell said I dont care?
And where did I imply I exledted to be tracked in a personal sense?

Now you can't even read.
 
2013-03-13 02:36:39 PM  

Rent Party: Jesus Christ, did you not read my boobies? I'm talking specifically about the pants wetting hippies in Seattle that caused this very useful police tool, which could have added to public safety at very low cost, away.

Your paranoia has made us all less safe. There was no intent to have those drones hovering over the city all the time spying on you. You're simply not that interesting.


If the Seattle PD wants us to let them have their toys then the motherfarkers will have to first prove to us that they won't abuse them like they abuse their other toys. They will shoot you for looking at them funny, so I have zero doubt that they would use drones when they aren't needed as well.

Until then, you, your alt, and the Seattle PD can all pound sand.
 
2013-03-13 02:37:30 PM  
Caffandtranqs:
Okay.  I think it is you shiatting down your pants in fear of criminals.  There is a reason why there are farking helicopters patrolling the skies of the TX town I'm from.  There is a huge military base there and 15 minutes away from Juarez, Mexico where more people have been killed in the last 5 years than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.  THAT'S a situation that requires helicopters, hell they should send the drones in Juarez to blow up the homes of the farking psychopaths terrorizing the city.  The crime here is nothing to wet your pants about.

A low grade border war 15 minutes away that draws the attention of the US Army is upsetting to you? I don't understand.  That's what they should be doing.  That should have the big Reapers and Blackhawks out.

In the mean time, when the cops want to chase someone that just stole your car, they don't have to put the entirety of the commuting public at risk, they can just pop a drone or three because they're in the trunk, follow the suspect, and the closest cops to the scene can respond at a safe pace.

Oh wait, my bad, no they can't, because the pants wetting paranoids have denied them that tool.  They'll either have to let him go because policy prohibits pursuit resulting in criminals not being arrested,  or chase him at high speed.  In either scenario, the public is at greater risk.
 
2013-03-13 02:39:23 PM  

umad: Rent Party: Jesus Christ, did you not read my boobies? I'm talking specifically about the pants wetting hippies in Seattle that caused this very useful police tool, which could have added to public safety at very low cost, away.

Your paranoia has made us all less safe. There was no intent to have those drones hovering over the city all the time spying on you. You're simply not that interesting.

If the Seattle PD wants us to let them have their toys then the motherfarkers will have to first prove to us that they won't abuse them like they abuse their other toys. They will shoot you for looking at them funny, so I have zero doubt that they would use drones when they aren't needed as well.


Right.  So your plan for an out of control police force is to ensure they continue to use dangerous and lethal tools, and deny them the safe and non-lethal tools they could be using.

You're SMRT smart!
 
2013-03-13 02:44:52 PM  

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs:
Okay.  I think it is you shiatting down your pants in fear of criminals.  There is a reason why there are farking helicopters patrolling the skies of the TX town I'm from.  There is a huge military base there and 15 minutes away from Juarez, Mexico where more people have been killed in the last 5 years than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.  THAT'S a situation that requires helicopters, hell they should send the drones in Juarez to blow up the homes of the farking psychopaths terrorizing the city.  The crime here is nothing to wet your pants about.

A low grade border war 15 minutes away that draws the attention of the US Army is upsetting to you? I don't understand.  That's what they should be doing.  That should have the big Reapers and Blackhawks out.

In the mean time, when the cops want to chase someone that just stole your car, they don't have to put the entirety of the commuting public at risk, they can just pop a drone or three because they're in the trunk, follow the suspect, and the closest cops to the scene can respond at a safe pace.

Oh wait, my bad, no they can't, because the pants wetting paranoids have denied them that tool.  They'll either have to let him go because policy prohibits pursuit resulting in criminals not being arrested,  or chase him at high speed.  In either scenario, the public is at greater risk.


What I'm saying is that YOU are the paranoid one because you want drones around in this place that is not even comparable in crime problems.  Sorry.  That drone idea would not work to help out the car thieving problem because (again) the city I'm from has one of the biggest car theft problems in the country because of its proximity to Mexico.  The helicopters have not done a damn thing to slow it down.  You know what has?  An entire unit devoted to tracking car thieves, finding out who their associates are etc.  You know, cop work.
 
2013-03-13 02:45:46 PM  

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs:
Okay.  I think it is you shiatting down your pants in fear of criminals.  There is a reason why there are farking helicopters patrolling the skies of the TX town I'm from.  There is a huge military base there and 15 minutes away from Juarez, Mexico where more people have been killed in the last 5 years than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.  THAT'S a situation that requires helicopters, hell they should send the drones in Juarez to blow up the homes of the farking psychopaths terrorizing the city.  The crime here is nothing to wet your pants about.

A low grade border war 15 minutes away that draws the attention of the US Army is upsetting to you? I don't understand.  That's what they should be doing.  That should have the big Reapers and Blackhawks out.

In the mean time, when the cops want to chase someone that just stole your car, they don't have to put the entirety of the commuting public at risk, they can just pop a drone or three because they're in the trunk, follow the suspect, and the closest cops to the scene can respond at a safe pace.

Oh wait, my bad, no they can't, because the pants wetting paranoids have denied them that tool.  They'll either have to let him go because policy prohibits pursuit resulting in criminals not being arrested,  or chase him at high speed.  In either scenario, the public is at greater risk.


Both are better options.
 
2013-03-13 02:57:06 PM  
I nominate all of Tornado Alley: tex-ass, okyhoma, kanz-ass, dakota territory, and nevada, just because.
 
2013-03-13 03:11:52 PM  
It will start out small, looking for lost children, wildfires etc. then build up to the next model with more sensors, non-lethal weapons. Then the big guns are added after a few years for your protection.
 
2013-03-13 03:16:10 PM  
Meh. Call me when they release the Jigabachi.
 
2013-03-13 03:17:49 PM  
farm9.staticflickr.com

There's my new drone hovering over the back pasture.  Hadn't attached the camera yet.
 
2013-03-13 03:27:03 PM  

Bravo Two: How exactly is this "Cool"? I dunno about you, subby, but I personally don't want to be monitored and watched 24/7 by the invisible eye in the sky. It's bad enough i'm watched and recorded and tracked with conventional security cameras and electronic systems.

/it's not paranoid when you know for a fact how easily you can be traced.


You're massively retarded if you think this is not already the case, and that eliminating unmanned drones would do anything to prevent this from happening.

The NSA pwns you in ways a Hellfire missile could only dream of, if Hellfire missiles could dream.
 
2013-03-13 03:27:45 PM  

Rent Party: Right. So your plan for an out of control police force is to ensure they continue to use dangerous and lethal tools, and deny them the safe and non-lethal tools they could be using.

You're SMRT smart!


While your plan is to ensure that the out of control police force has even more tools to trample over our rights with.

You're SMRT smart!

/jk
//I knew you were a dumbass the first time you pretended to know anything about computers.
 
2013-03-13 03:42:40 PM  

dl.dropbox.com

dl.dropbox.com

Janet Napolitano is watching you masturbate.

 
2013-03-13 03:44:10 PM  
I wonder what the over/under is on how long it'd be before a cop uses one of these drones to follow his wife to see if she's having an affair?
 
2013-03-13 04:16:34 PM  
Lot of leg shiatting in this thread.
 
2013-03-13 04:37:46 PM  

Rent Party: theMightyRegeya: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

Now, this is fascinating.  Obama orders drone strikes on American citizens, and those dumb liberals just need to understand that it's not cool for the President to have the power to target Real AmericansTM if he so chooses.  When we have libs who are  againsthaving those drones around, they're dumb libs for  notwanting them.

The dumb, you has it.

The drones in the article can be purchased pretty much off the shelf at a toy store.  They're about the size of a basketball, and aren't big enough to carry more than a camera.   They're a useful tool for police that allows them to do things like pursue suspects without risk to the general public, and take action much faster than waiting for the helicopter.    But because it flies, you immediately piss down your leg in fear.

That you think they have anything in common with military Reaper drones tells me just how dumb you are.   Even if putting a weapon on them was legal, which it's not,  it's pretty much impossible.  They might be able to hit you with a spitball, as anything bigger would throw the aircraft way off it's flight path.

So as a result of your irrational pants wetting fear, we here in the Seattle area are more at risk.

In summary, you're a gotdamn moron.


I wouldn't be so sure about that, Einstein :
http://gizmodo.com/5968058/an-awesome-guy-made-a-flying-drone-armed- wi th-a-paintball-gun
 
2013-03-13 05:05:08 PM  
The way I see it is all you guys are whining about the inevitable, even if the man decides not to use drones,  the nosy neighbor  will, and will eventually have a squadron of drones automatically keeping up with the Johneses 24/7. Indeed I will be surprised if isn't common in ten years to have a drone in your pocket that you can deploy just for hands free skyping around town. Instead you guys should be trying to think about how to use droneapolloza to your benefit.
 
2013-03-13 05:19:45 PM  

LavenderWolf: StoPPeRmobile: LavenderWolf: safetycap: I knew it!

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Rent Party, I got this one.

You are a complete moron if you think TFA's drones are anything like a Reaper drone complete with hellfire missiles.

$1000 quadcopter and a couple of grenades.

And an entire police force in jail. Try again.


Just suggesting how cheap these things can be, is all.
 
2013-03-13 05:20:58 PM  

LavenderWolf: StoPPeRmobile: LavenderWolf: TheGreatGazoo: If the LAPD can send more than 100 rounds into a truck and not kill the occupants, do you really want them piloting drones?

Where's the drone?  I wonder what all of those sparks are from that utility line over there?  Oops.  I have a feeling they'll be used to 'monitor' swimming pools more than find lost kids...

Because terrible shots by the most notorious police department in the US means no cop can ever use equipment for its intended purpose.

I am not normally prone to arguing pro-cop in any thread. In fact, I'm pretty anti-cop in almost every thread. Except this one.

If you think this is scary, you are stupid. Hands down. It's a camera they can move in 3D. Deal with it. You don't have an expectation of privacy in public.

I've said it before, the drones will be used by insurance companies and tax collectors. Looking for people with untaxed or non-insurable items on their property. Google maps are only so helpful do to delay in updates from satellites.

There is absolutely no law on the books that stops insurance companies from using RC drones to do that right now.

themoreyouknow.jpg


Helping the masses become informed.

Blot out the sun.
 
2013-03-13 05:22:33 PM  
Any of you that think more drones = fewer police chases are idiots. If anything, they'll lead to MORE police chases.

You have a brain; think it through.
 
2013-03-13 06:03:51 PM  

The Snow Dog: Any of you that think more drones = fewer police chases are idiots. If anything, they'll lead to MORE police chases.

You have a brain; think it through.


It seems others have already "studied it out", why don't you actually articulate what you mean here. If the police have an alternative to track suspects other than chasing them personally... this will lead to more police chases? Why? On its face this statement is retarded.
 
2013-03-13 06:08:22 PM  

LavenderWolf: Ego edo infantia cattus: Rent Party:

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and this

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That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


Yeah, the difference is that one is being used by the military, and the other is being used by the para-military.

/++good.

Yes, congratulations, you read a book a clever toddler could read.

Maybe you can put some of it in context now? Which is better for everyone? High speed persuit, letting criminals go, or tracking them via small RC helicopter with a camera?


ok i'll play:
which is better for everyone?  high speed pursuit, letting criminals go, or allowing smaller and more sophisticated surveillance equipment ?
 
2013-03-13 07:24:02 PM  

Rent Party: Caffandtranqs: Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.  They just want to give those bad guys a hug and tell them to go back out to Westlake and provide culture.  They're just misunderstood!

You have not noticed that there is already air cover for the cops around here?  Shiat, I'm from one of the very few liberal cities in TX, and even they have the gilacompters flying around all day.  So, you would prefer drones instead of helicopters?  Is that what you are saying?  Moreover, are you also saying you would like drones hanging around perhaps eye spying people?  You sound like a Republican who likes military toys, but not a Republican who likes personal privacy...identity issues.

Oh, and for the record, I've voted for every Democratic candidate for the Presidency since 1988.  So fark you.  I'm just not a paranoid pants wetter, and I understand the difference between this



and this



That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


I wouldn't want Joe Blow cop getting bored some night and using that neat little contraption to peep through my windows. Don't tell me it won't happen.
 
2013-03-13 07:26:06 PM  

Fano: ReapTheChaos: Bravo Two: How exactly is this "Cool"? I dunno about you, subby, but I personally don't want to be monitored and watched 24/7 by the invisible eye in the sky. It's bad enough i'm watched and recorded and tracked with conventional security cameras and electronic systems.

/it's not paranoid when you know for a fact how easily you can be traced.

Unless you're doing something you're not supposed to be, they couldn't give a shiat about your comings and goings. So yes, it is paranoid.

You mean like the way the FBI hounded martin Luther king, jr?


SNAPPP!!!

/the oh's have it
 
2013-03-13 08:16:11 PM  
It's funny how all the cool guys yelling about how we should have no expectation of privacy almost always have their own personal expectation of privacy.
 
2013-03-13 10:17:51 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: The Snow Dog: Any of you that think more drones = fewer police chases are idiots. If anything, they'll lead to MORE police chases.

You have a brain; think it through.

It seems others have already "studied it out", why don't you actually articulate what you mean here. If the police have an alternative to track suspects other than chasing them personally... this will lead to more police chases? Why? On its face this statement is retarded.


Do police stop chasing people when the helicopters show up? No. Think of all the videos of chases shot from news helicopters where you see the police helicopter zoom by and fifteen police cars in the background. Police LIKE to chase people. It gets their little endorphins pumpin'.

Drones will spot cars on the roadways more often. Leading to more chases. As it is now, detectives, when they're looking for Joe Blow, have to do legwork and usually catch him when he "goes to ground". With drones they'll catch him out-and-about more often. They'll route police that were otherwise just patrolling to the area. And if you know police, they'll haul ass in transit.

And unless you have more than a "basketball sized" drone, it's often not going to have the stamina to follow the suspect ad infinitum. So an officer with another drone is going to rush to the area to get another one airborne and on target before the first one powers down.

Before long they'll vote to put radar guns on them and you'll be getting tickets in the mail from the drone corps. Hooray.

Like I said: use your brain; think it through. Damn, is thinking really that hard?
 
2013-03-13 10:45:29 PM  
Here is the only drone I need...
http://tacocopter.com/

Also, I'm looking forward to the first few years of people shooting drones out of the sky as a recreational activity. You know it will happen.
 
2013-03-14 12:45:14 AM  

inner ted: LavenderWolf: Ego edo infantia cattus: Rent Party:

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x400]

That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


Yeah, the difference is that one is being used by the military, and the other is being used by the para-military.

/++good.

Yes, congratulations, you read a book a clever toddler could read.

Maybe you can put some of it in context now? Which is better for everyone? High speed persuit, letting criminals go, or tracking them via small RC helicopter with a camera?

ok i'll play:
which is better for everyone?  high speed pursuit, letting criminals go, or allowing smaller and more sophisticated surveillance equipment ?


I am perfectly fine with the police using surveillance equipment such as camera drones. 1984 was written in 1949. The idea of being filmed being a requirement, or a precursor to, a tyrannical dictatorship, is horrendously flawed. Cameras are cheap and plentiful. I would know - I install them at my second job. You don't have now, and never have before, an expectation of privacy in public. You can and should expect to be filmed dozens of times a day if you're in any place with more than a few thousand people - right now. How can you honestly expect police to NOT use video surveillance? It is a terrible and obvious gap in their ability to effectively fight crime.

You should be more concerned with what a malicious citizen can do with existing off-the-shelf equipment than what the police could do with a camera drone.

What are the police going to do, use it to spy on your nude sunbathing in the backyard? Well, poor you. Deal with it.

Getting me to side with the police on an issue is hard, so, I commend you..
 
2013-03-14 12:45:53 AM  

The Snow Dog: Crotchrocket Slim: The Snow Dog: Any of you that think more drones = fewer police chases are idiots. If anything, they'll lead to MORE police chases.

You have a brain; think it through.

It seems others have already "studied it out", why don't you actually articulate what you mean here. If the police have an alternative to track suspects other than chasing them personally... this will lead to more police chases? Why? On its face this statement is retarded.

Do police stop chasing people when the helicopters show up? No. Think of all the videos of chases shot from news helicopters where you see the police helicopter zoom by and fifteen police cars in the background. Police LIKE to chase people. It gets their little endorphins pumpin'.

Drones will spot cars on the roadways more often. Leading to more chases. As it is now, detectives, when they're looking for Joe Blow, have to do legwork and usually catch him when he "goes to ground". With drones they'll catch him out-and-about more often. They'll route police that were otherwise just patrolling to the area. And if you know police, they'll haul ass in transit.

And unless you have more than a "basketball sized" drone, it's often not going to have the stamina to follow the suspect ad infinitum. So an officer with another drone is going to rush to the area to get another one airborne and on target before the first one powers down.

Before long they'll vote to put radar guns on them and you'll be getting tickets in the mail from the drone corps. Hooray.

Like I said: use your brain; think it through. Damn, is thinking really that hard?


They already use aircraft to issue speeding tickets, you dingus.
 
2013-03-14 02:06:57 AM  

LavenderWolf: The Snow Dog: Crotchrocket Slim: The Snow Dog: Any of you that think more drones = fewer police chases are idiots. If anything, they'll lead to MORE police chases.

You have a brain; think it through.

It seems others have already "studied it out", why don't you actually articulate what you mean here. If the police have an alternative to track suspects other than chasing them personally... this will lead to more police chases? Why? On its face this statement is retarded.

Do police stop chasing people when the helicopters show up? No. Think of all the videos of chases shot from news helicopters where you see the police helicopter zoom by and fifteen police cars in the background. Police LIKE to chase people. It gets their little endorphins pumpin'.

Drones will spot cars on the roadways more often. Leading to more chases. As it is now, detectives, when they're looking for Joe Blow, have to do legwork and usually catch him when he "goes to ground". With drones they'll catch him out-and-about more often. They'll route police that were otherwise just patrolling to the area. And if you know police, they'll haul ass in transit.

And unless you have more than a "basketball sized" drone, it's often not going to have the stamina to follow the suspect ad infinitum. So an officer with another drone is going to rush to the area to get another one airborne and on target before the first one powers down.

Before long they'll vote to put radar guns on them and you'll be getting tickets in the mail from the drone corps. Hooray.

Like I said: use your brain; think it through. Damn, is thinking really that hard?

They already use aircraft to issue speeding tickets, you dingus.


Not over most cities, dipsh*t. Not in my neighborhood. Not in the mall parking lot. They do over some interstates, sure, I've seen the signs. Never gotten a ticket from one, never known anyone that has. How long do you think it will be before you have to put a license plate on your roof? 10 years? It'll happen, mark my words. Then they'll be able to put one of the drones over your city that will record your whole city all day. They'll be able to ticket everybody that speeds anywhere in town at any time; any rolling stop.

Just because you don't mind giving up your freedom and privacy doesn't mean we're all douchebag exhibitionists with a hard-on for policemen.
 
2013-03-14 02:16:39 AM  

LavenderWolf: The Snow Dog: Crotchrocket Slim: The Snow Dog: Any of you that think more drones = fewer police chases are idiots. If anything, they'll lead to MORE police chases.

You have a brain; think it through.

It seems others have already "studied it out", why don't you actually articulate what you mean here. If the police have an alternative to track suspects other than chasing them personally... this will lead to more police chases? Why? On its face this statement is retarded.

Do police stop chasing people when the helicopters show up? No. Think of all the videos of chases shot from news helicopters where you see the police helicopter zoom by and fifteen police cars in the background. Police LIKE to chase people. It gets their little endorphins pumpin'.

Drones will spot cars on the roadways more often. Leading to more chases. As it is now, detectives, when they're looking for Joe Blow, have to do legwork and usually catch him when he "goes to ground". With drones they'll catch him out-and-about more often. They'll route police that were otherwise just patrolling to the area. And if you know police, they'll haul ass in transit.

And unless you have more than a "basketball sized" drone, it's often not going to have the stamina to follow the suspect ad infinitum. So an officer with another drone is going to rush to the area to get another one airborne and on target before the first one powers down.

Before long they'll vote to put radar guns on them and you'll be getting tickets in the mail from the drone corps. Hooray.

Like I said: use your brain; think it through. Damn, is thinking really that hard?

They already use aircraft to issue speeding tickets, you dingus.


Also: I have no problem with using drones--provided they acquire a warrant to use them for specific purposes. "We're looking for Joe Blow. We think he's going to be traveling in Jonestown this afternoon. We have a warrant."

Well, go for it.

"We have a tip William Bonny is farking his goats. We have a warrant to surveil the pasture."

Knock yourself out, surveil.

They shouldn't just cruise around spying on people.
 
2013-03-14 02:29:28 AM  

LavenderWolf: inner ted: LavenderWolf: Ego edo infantia cattus: Rent Party:

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and this

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That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


Yeah, the difference is that one is being used by the military, and the other is being used by the para-military.

/++good.

Yes, congratulations, you read a book a clever toddler could read.

Maybe you can put some of it in context now? Which is better for everyone? High speed persuit, letting criminals go, or tracking them via small RC helicopter with a camera?

ok i'll play:
which is better for everyone?  high speed pursuit, letting criminals go, or allowing smaller and more sophisticated surveillance equipment ?

I am perfectly fine with the police using surveillance equipment such as camera drones. 1984 was written in 1949. The idea of being filmed being a requirement, or a precursor to, a tyrannical dictatorship, is horrendously flawed. Cameras are cheap and plentiful. I would know - I install them at my second job. You don't have now, and never have before, an expectation of privacy in public. You can and should expect to be filmed dozens of times a day if you're in any place with more than a few thousand people - right now. How can you honestly expect police to NOT use video surveillance? It is a terrible and obvious gap in their ability to effectively fight crime.

You should be more concerned with what a malicious citizen can do with existing off-the-shelf equipment than what the police could do with a camera drone.

What are the police going to do, use it to spy on your nude sunbathing in the backyard? Well, poor you. Deal with it.

Getting me to side with the police on an issue is hard, so, I commend you..


Massive scale autonomous surveillance is unacceptable. You may consider the idea of Orwellian surveillance to be acceptable. Of course you do, you install cameras as part of your job. That keeps doublethink to a minimum.

Of course you aren't private in public. But there is a difference in terms of society with having a policeman following and watching you at all times as you walk down the street.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwqN3Ur-wP0
Just build the goddamned thing. It's clear the slippery slope isn't a fallacy, as everyone seems to be doing their best to grease it. When drones were first promoted, there were many statements of "and we'll never use them to watch American citizens, that's for sure, and anyone who thinks that is just a paranoid malcontent."
 
2013-03-14 06:40:16 AM  
I'll be impressed when cities vie to be the first asteroid impact test site.
 
2013-03-14 10:30:21 AM  

LavenderWolf: inner ted: LavenderWolf: Ego edo infantia cattus: Rent Party:

[twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com image 794x487]

and this

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x400]

That is a distinction that is apparently beyond some farkers.


Yeah, the difference is that one is being used by the military, and the other is being used by the para-military.

/++good.

Yes, congratulations, you read a book a clever toddler could read.

Maybe you can put some of it in context now? Which is better for everyone? High speed persuit, letting criminals go, or tracking them via small RC helicopter with a camera?

ok i'll play:
which is better for everyone?  high speed pursuit, letting criminals go, or allowing smaller and more sophisticated surveillance equipment ?

I am perfectly fine with the police using surveillance equipment such as camera drones. 1984 was written in 1949. The idea of being filmed being a requirement, or a precursor to, a tyrannical dictatorship, is horrendously flawed. Cameras are cheap and plentiful. I would know - I install them at my second job. You don't have now, and never have before, an expectation of privacy in public. You can and should expect to be filmed dozens of times a day if you're in any place with more than a few thousand people - right now. How can you honestly expect police to NOT use video surveillance? It is a terrible and obvious gap in their ability to effectively fight crime.

You should be more concerned with what a malicious citizen can do with existing off-the-shelf equipment than what the police could do with a camera drone.

What are the police going to do, use it to spy on your nude sunbathing in the backyard? Well, poor you. Deal with it.

Getting me to side with the police on an issue is hard, so, I commend you..


you leave out a real obvious problem here - either you are unaware, or choose not to acknowledge it as it causes issue with your argument

you assume that these drones are going to stay this size - and if you are the A / V tech you say you are, then you certainly understand that as this tech progresses, it will get smaller and smaller.

i understand that we have no expectation of privacy in public - whether we are around "thousands" of others or in a field alone.  i don't really agree with it, nor am i as trusting of the cops as you seem to be.

but if you think for one moment that they (teh lawz) won't be pushing that as far as they can with smaller and smaller drones to get closer without being noticed - then you are beyond naive.

and how do you not see a difference between a loud & huge helicopter and a small quiet drone?
somehow you can appreciate the problems this brings via a bad neighbor, but you just trust trust trust away that johnny law won't abuse the shiat out of it?

unfortunately it's folks like yourself that are all too willing to sign away any concept of our rights without so much as a second thought, cause you believe it's for your own good, citizen.
 
2013-03-14 11:58:01 AM  

Rent Party: Except here in Seattle, where the pants wetting hippies and fake hippy mayor McCheese would rather have the cops driving their multi-ton vehicles through traffic at high speeds to chase bad guys rather than popping the drone out of their trunk to follow him.

Oh, who am I kidding.


Nobody, I dare say.
 
2013-03-14 12:07:20 PM  

Kimpak: [img.photobucket.com image 207x235]
Welcome to City 17.


You sound concerned.
 
2013-03-14 12:09:44 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Bravo Two: How exactly is this "Cool"? I dunno about you, subby, but I personally don't want to be monitored and watched 24/7 by the invisible eye in the sky. It's bad enough i'm watched and recorded and tracked with conventional security cameras and electronic systems.

/it's not paranoid when you know for a fact how easily you can be traced.

What are you trying to hide? Sounds like criminals behavior to me.

I say blanket the sky with drones and blot out the sun.


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Then we shall derp in the shade!
 
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