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2013-03-13 08:46:45 AM  
Obama should just come out and say that he's pro-liquid consumption. Republicans would then immediately cease consumption of all liquids, and within 10 days our national problems would become a lot easier to address.
 
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2013-03-13 08:50:53 AM  
funny how the "new" ryan budget plan gets rid of all the benefits of obamacare but keeps all the revenues and savings from medicare....
 
2013-03-13 08:55:28 AM  
Well, one way or another we're going to have to come up with a budget.  If we don't, we are in for some serious shiat in the near future.
 
2013-03-13 08:58:43 AM  
Doesn't the continuing resolution just extend the same budget another year?
 
2013-03-13 09:00:23 AM  

182: funny how the "new" ryan budget plan gets rid of all the benefits of obamacare but keeps all the revenues and savings from medicare....


I think the plan is brilliant.  To get a budget and get the country going again the Republicans and Democrats have to find some middle ground.  The Ryan budget is so extreme yet sounds so nice with the balance the budget in 10 years slogan that it has forced Democrats to the right.  A great opening gambit
 
2013-03-13 09:08:59 AM  
 When Tea Terrorists keep on adding shiat like the repeal of Obamacare it is quite obvious that they are fully prepared to destroy our economy to make a political statement.
 
2013-03-13 09:09:46 AM  
yesterday's headline: Obama 'strongly opposed' to hitting one's own balls with hammer

tomorrow's headline: Shrieking falsettos echo through DC
 
2013-03-13 09:12:33 AM  

MattStafford: Well, one way or another we're going to have to come up with a budget.  If we don't, we are in for some serious shiat in the near future.


well yes, but we can't do that if both sides see the other as the devil in a pants-suit and compromising with them is akin to death of the party

i mean fark, Obama wants a compromise, offered up a compromise and it'll be shiat on by the GOP and mildly pissed on by Democrats

the Senate budget plan the democrats plan to be releasing later supposidly has $975B in new revenue and $975B in cuts (and not just in defense) so it's a step in the right direction, but it'll never get through the House
 
2013-03-13 09:15:59 AM  

somedude210: MattStafford: Well, one way or another we're going to have to come up with a budget.  If we don't, we are in for some serious shiat in the near future.

well yes, but we can't do that if both sides see the other as the devil in a pants-suit and compromising with them is akin to death of the party

i mean fark, Obama wants a compromise, offered up a compromise and it'll be shiat on by the GOP and mildly pissed on by Democrats

the Senate budget plan the democrats plan to be releasing later supposidly has $975B in new revenue and $975B in cuts (and not just in defense) so it's a step in the right direction, but it'll never get through the House


So both sides are bad, but at least one side is wiling to compromise by offering both cuts and revenue increases beyond perfunctory drops in buckets?

fark the Republicans. This is their fault because of their fanatical and constant refusal to consider any significant revenue increases.
 
2013-03-13 09:22:25 AM  

MattStafford: Well, one way or another we're going to have to come up with a budget.  If we don't, we are in for some serious shiat in the near future.


How near?
 
2013-03-13 09:25:36 AM  

theknuckler_33: MattStafford: Well, one way or another we're going to have to come up with a budget.  If we don't, we are in for some serious shiat in the near future.

How near?


The sheriff is....
 
2013-03-13 09:25:58 AM  

Bloody William: So both sides are bad, but at least one side is wiling to compromise by offering both cuts and revenue increases beyond perfunctory drops in buckets?


Democrats are pissy because we're gonna have to reform social safety nets (though it can be argued that SS is solvent and should be exempt, just stop taking money from the fund that specifically went to the fund), but the budget they're putting forth at least does quite a bit to get rid of the deficit, so it's a start. It's gonna take a long long long long time to get rid of the debt. Ryan's budget did absolutely nothing to fix the deficit and actually increases funding for the DoD by $900B

it also relies on economic unicorns to have it work out, which won't happen
 
2013-03-13 09:26:57 AM  

theknuckler_33: How near?


Presidentially near.
 
2013-03-13 09:27:15 AM  

theknuckler_33: MattStafford: Well, one way or another we're going to have to come up with a budget.  If we don't, we are in for some serious shiat in the near future.

How near?


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2013-03-13 09:27:32 AM  

vudutek: The sheriff is....


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2013-03-13 09:33:14 AM  
the ryan budget: cut taxes for the wealthiest while cutting education, science, infrastructure and healthcare

same thing as his last budget and the one before that.

it's not a serious budget; it's a vision statement for a GOP that's hopelessly out of touch with mainstream america.
 
2013-03-13 09:35:35 AM  
President Barack Obama is conceding "we're probably not going to be able to get a deal" on budget, tax and spending issues with Congress if Republicans continue to insist that no new revenues can be raised unless entitlement programs are significantly overhauled.

Ehhhh?  Obama has  been calling for a big deal that involves entitlement reform?  Now he says no deal can be reached because in order to get tax increases there has to be entitlement reform?   Fark it, it is all politics.
 
2013-03-13 09:40:27 AM  

FlashHarry: the ryan budget: cut taxes for the wealthiest while cutting education, science, infrastructure and healthcare

same thing as his last budget and the one before that.

it's not a serious budget; it's a vision statement for a GOP that's hopelessly out of touch with mainstream america.


This.

'I know that the majority of Americans did not approve of this deal as I am not currently the Vice President, but I'm gonna try and pass it again anyways.' The sad part is that it will probably get through the House quickly.

NYT Editorial from today "The Worst of the Ryan Budgets" was pretty on point with ^This.
 
2013-03-13 09:52:42 AM  

trickymoo: FlashHarry: the ryan budget: cut taxes for the wealthiest while cutting education, science, infrastructure and healthcare

same thing as his last budget and the one before that.

it's not a serious budget; it's a vision statement for a GOP that's hopelessly out of touch with mainstream america.

This.

'I know that the majority of Americans did not approve of this deal as I am not currently the Vice President, but I'm gonna try and pass it again anyways.' The sad part is that it will probably get through the House quickly.

NYT Editorial from today "The Worst of the Ryan Budgets" was pretty on point with ^This.


are you trying to tell me that when we're trying to cut spending, giving an additional $900B to the DoD's budget is a bad thing?

well I never!!

Paul Ryan isn't a budget policy wonk, he's a wonky man with a strange fetish for numbers.
 
2013-03-13 10:06:09 AM  

MattStafford: Well, one way or another we're going to have to come up with a budget.  If we don't, we are in for some serious shiat in the near future.


Republicans are more than happy to come up with a budget.  They simply don't understand that doing so involves making any kind of concession to the Democrats.  They simply don't have the mental ability to do it.

If you think that might be arrogant, just look at Paul Ryan's new budget.
 
2013-03-13 10:06:57 AM  
Headline has me thinking that if Obama orders pasta, GOP legislators will order the antipasta.

/or vice versa
 
2013-03-13 10:24:33 AM  

vudutek: theknuckler_33: MattStafford: Well, one way or another we're going to have to come up with a budget.  If we don't, we are in for some serious shiat in the near future.

How near?

The sheriff is....


Fluorescent Testicle: theknuckler_33: How near?

Presidentially near.


I ♥ you guys.
 
2013-03-13 11:35:21 AM  
So....shutdown party?
 
2013-03-13 11:39:02 AM  

Saiga410: Ehhhh? Obama has been calling for a big deal that involves entitlement reform? Now he says no deal can be reached because in order to get tax increases there has to be entitlement reform? Fark it, it is all politics.


There's a difference between reform and tying an anchor to it, lighting it on fire and pushing it into quicksand.
 
2013-03-13 11:50:19 AM  

Cheron: 182: funny how the "new" ryan budget plan gets rid of all the benefits of obamacare but keeps all the revenues and savings from medicare....

I think the plan is brilliant.  To get a budget and get the country going again the Republicans and Democrats have to find some middle ground.  The Ryan budget is so extreme yet sounds so nice with the balance the budget in 10 years slogan that it has forced Democrats to the right.  A great opening gambit


Which way does the water go up out of toilets on your planet? (it can't go down the drain, because you are not in the same plane of the multiverse)
 
2013-03-13 12:08:40 PM  
For you Liberals who blame the Republicans for not making concessions to the Dems, why don't you blame the Dems for not making concessions to the Republicans?

Although you won't admit it, both sides are doing the same exact thing, and both are equally wrong.
 
2013-03-13 12:27:53 PM  

HoustonNick: both sides are doing the same exact thing



Refusing to raise any taxes ever, no matter what  ≠ bending over backwards with spending cuts and compromising on nearly everything.


That's just crazy talk.
 
2013-03-13 12:32:31 PM  

HoustonNick: For you Liberals who blame the Republicans for not making concessions to the Dems, why don't you blame the Dems for not making concessions to the Republicans?


Because, in this plane of reality, the Dems have made concessions to the Republicans.
 
2013-03-13 12:44:52 PM  

HoustonNick: For you Liberals who blame the Republicans for not making concessions to the Dems, why don't you blame the Dems for not making concessions to the Republicans?

Although you won't admit it, both sides are doing the same exact thing, and both are equally wrong.


Because the concession would be cuts to social programs with no tax increases. That balances the budget on the backs of the working poor.  Also, it isn't a political compromise, because it is everything Republicans want and nothing Democrats want.  Meanwhile, the Democrats are offering something Republicans want, social cuts, and asking for what they want in return - tax increases. The Democrats are trying to strike a fair deal and play ball; the Republicans are stomping their feet and taking the ball home because the voters refused to pick them first for kickball.
 
2013-03-13 12:56:48 PM  

quizzical: The Democrats are trying to strike a fair deal and play ball; the Republicans are stomping their feet and taking the ball home because the voters refused to pick them first for kickball.


the one problem with this deal, which the democrats are probably well aware of, is that if you cut the DoD and increase taxes, you can do everything but destroy SS and Medicare and it'll still be a crushing defeat to the Republicans. And I imagine most GOP congressmen who aren't Teahadists are refusing to compromise because they know that if they do, it'll spell their doom in the primaries in 2014.

again, the Democrats are probably well aware of this, but backing your opponent into a corner with no way to rout will make them fight to the death and take their attacks down with them.
 
2013-03-13 01:01:05 PM  

HoustonNick: For you Liberals who blame the Republicans for not making concessions to the Dems, why don't you blame the Dems for not making concessions to the Republicans?

Although you won't admit it, both sides are doing the same exact thing, and both are equally wrong.


Because their entire platform is full of concessions to Republicans.  Every policy suggestion, every bill they put in is full of stuff to appeal to Republicans.  In most cases, the Dem bills submitted ARE REPUBLICAN BILLS.  Created, written, authorized, and advocated by Republican congressmen.  They're written as Republican bills with a few bones tossed into them to appeal to Democrats.  But as soon as they are proposed and advocated by Dems, the GOP demands cutting those "bones" as a concession, leaving only a supply side, spending reduction approach to every problem.

The bulk of the GOP has make it clear they have no intention or desire to govern in a balanced way.  The only way to fix the budget problems is to work on a plan for both revenue increases and spending cuts.  Any plan that addresses one and not the other is an ideological pipe dream.  Acting as if "both sides are equally bad" is - quite literally - delusional.
 
2013-03-13 01:16:38 PM  

somedude210: again, the Democrats are probably well aware of this, but backing your opponent into a corner with no way to rout will make them fight to the death and take their attacks down with them.


Republicans wholehearted astroturfed the Tea Party movement, and so backed themselves into this corner; hell, they gave the Tea Party the bricks to build a wall and isolate the Republican corner off from the rest of the country.  Refusing to ask for tax increases this time does not get Republicans out of the corner.  Instead, it would give them a "victory" over the Democrats, and encourage the Tea Party to remain uncompromising on budget issues.  It would build the damn wall higher.

Republicans know they need to come back toward the center if they're going to remain a viable political party.  But they don't have the will to reform themselves.  The rest of the nation can't put itself on hold while the Republicans work out their infighting.
 
2013-03-13 01:17:57 PM  

HoustonNick: For you Liberals who blame the Republicans for not making concessions to the Dems, why don't you blame the Dems for not making concessions to the Republicans?

Although you won't admit it, both sides are doing the same exact thing, and both are equally wrong.


Wow, what an insightful and deep idea, both sides are bad? Any other unique gems in that head of yours?
 
2013-03-13 01:23:08 PM  

NateGrey: HoustonNick: For you Liberals who blame the Republicans for not making concessions to the Dems, why don't you blame the Dems for not making concessions to the Republicans?

Although you won't admit it, both sides are doing the same exact thing, and both are equally wrong.

Wow, what an insightful and deep idea, both sides are bad? Any other unique gems in that head of yours?


Oh you are a Republican. Nevermind. Makes sense. Probably an Independent now after Bush, huh?
 
2013-03-13 01:25:39 PM  

quizzical: Republicans know they need to come back toward the center if they're going to remain a viable political party. But they don't have the will to reform themselves. The rest of the nation can't put itself on hold while the Republicans work out their infighting.


I don't disagree with you that the Tea Party is their own creation and no matter what they do, it'll give us more of them, but those that might be willing to compromise to get a budget passed are probably looking at their options and realizing that they could agree with the Democrats on this but they're totally screwed in 2014. So they're pretty much damned if they do and damned if they don't.
 
2013-03-13 01:37:24 PM  

somedude210: I don't disagree with you that the Tea Party is their own creation and no matter what they do, it'll give us more of them, but those that might be willing to compromise to get a budget passed are probably looking at their options and realizing that they could agree with the Democrats on this but they're totally screwed in 2014. So they're pretty much damned if they do and damned if they don't.

 

I'm crying on the inside for them.  No, really.

So, it appears Obama is correct - we are effectively at a stalemate.  All hail the continuing resolution.
 
2013-03-13 02:05:39 PM  
Thats what happens when Republicans get 98% of what they want.
 
2013-03-13 02:12:46 PM  

somedude210: quizzical: Republicans know they need to come back toward the center if they're going to remain a viable political party. But they don't have the will to reform themselves. The rest of the nation can't put itself on hold while the Republicans work out their infighting.

I don't disagree with you that the Tea Party is their own creation and no matter what they do, it'll give us more of them, but those that might be willing to compromise to get a budget passed are probably looking at their options and realizing that they could agree with the Democrats on this but they're totally screwed in 2014. So they're pretty much damned if they do and damned if they don't.


This argument only works under the assumption that their primary job is getting re-elected.  This is not the case.  Their primary job is to serve the best interests of the citizens of their districts. Give them what they need to sustain the nation, then some of what they want if there are leftovers.

If doing what is right for the country means they won't get re-elected in 2014, then that's their JOB and they should do it.  Any politician who would put re-election before actually governing is simply refusing to do their job.
 
2013-03-13 03:01:20 PM  
Its very simple. Obama has no interest in balancing the budget, therefore he will oppose all spending cuts and use all tax increases to fund entitlement expansions, green energy, etc.

He has pretty much openly declared this.
 
2013-03-13 03:10:21 PM  
Surprised at people for responding

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/somewhat topical version
 
2013-03-13 04:54:15 PM  

ibtopher: This argument only works under the assumption that their primary job is getting re-elected.  This is not the case.  Their primary job is to serve the best interests of the citizens of their districts. Give them what they need to sustain the nation, then some of what they want if there are leftovers.

If doing what is right for the country means they won't get re-elected in 2014, then that's their JOB and they should do it.  Any politician who would put re-election before actually governing is simply refusing to do their job.


In an ideal world, I don't argue that that is their real purpose and should be the #1 priority. That said, the reality is that their purpose, on both sides of the aisle, is to get re-elected
 
2013-03-13 07:14:32 PM  

Khellendros: HoustonNick: For you Liberals who blame the Republicans for not making concessions to the Dems, why don't you blame the Dems for not making concessions to the Republicans?

Although you won't admit it, both sides are doing the same exact thing, and both are equally wrong.

Acting as if "both sides are equally bad" is - quite literally - delusional.

Trolly.
 
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